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Verizon Considering Purchase of Netflix

schwit1 writes "Shares of Netflix soared more than 6% Monday on a report that Verizon Communications is considering buying the troubled movie renter. Verizon is reportedly evaluating whether a purchase of Netflix could provide an entry into the video delivery business, DealReporter said, citing a source close to the matter. The news comes as Netflix continues to struggle from a series of missteps earlier this year when it raised subscription prices and separated its DVD-by-mail service and streaming. Netflix's stock price plunged to a new 52-week low two weeks ago when the company warned it would fall to a loss in 2012 if it failed to boost its bruised customer base."

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  1. Can you screw me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wowsers, if you thought Netflix was nickel-and-diming you, wait til Verizon gets hold of them. Probably cost you a quarter every time you use fast forward.

    1. Re:Can you screw me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good! After all the whining of a measly $2/month increase in price brought on Netflix by the movie studios, I'd say the spoiled brats that make up TEH BLAGOSPHERE needed a cold, hard lesson in "shut your fucking trap and learn to appreciate what you've got or someone might make it worse"! If it weren't for their incessant, self-centered whining*, Netflix wouldn't have lost quite so many customers and money and would've still looked too expensive for Verizon to absorb! So, congrats on digging too deep, guys! All hail Verizon! :-D

      *: You may point out that, by definition, whining is already inherently self-centered. To that I say, well, touche.

    2. Re:Can you screw me now? by jamsessionjay · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is netflix nickel and diming me? It's one rate for streaming to multiple devices, then X amount more depending on how many physical discs you want to hold.

      Nickle and diming is what Verizon does - X amount for Y amount of texts, or download limits, or download speeds, or service areas, or content packages, or voice minutes, and of course this is also largely dependent on which device you are using. And multiple devices? psh. Overcharges on service? That's a another horrible part right there.

      That's real nickle-and-diming. There are so many gotchas I'd need a small book to describe it all. But this netflix hate I do not understand - it's simple and cheap. Is it that you want their service to be free?

    3. Re:Can you screw me now? by Hadlock · · Score: 2

      Try: $3/mo to access the GPS unit built in to your blackberry. That happened.
       
      Verizon buys netflix: Charges you $0.20 every time you watch a film from the Criterion Collection, $0.40 for any movie released in the last 6 months, and $0.35 for any movie released in the last 18 months. On top of your $15/mo fee.
       
      Oh and by the way, you'll need a Verizon Cable TV account to use Netflix if you're in a Verizon service area.

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    4. Re:Can you screw me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      OP here: I never claimed Netflix was nickel and diming, though some of the squeakier wheels seem to think so. As someone only halfway through a Verizon contract, I can say with confidence that those guys are the absolute freakin worst, lading up all their phones with crapware that do what free apps do, but worse, and with monthly fees on top of it.

    5. Re:Can you screw me now? by Luke727 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I already had a relatively expensive plan so it was only a few bucks for me, but some people's plans almost doubled in price. Granted $7 or $8 is not that much in the scheme of things, but if my price doubled overnight without bringing any improvements in the service then I might also be pissed. I understand it was out of Netflix's control, but the condescending (lack of) explanation was a huge misstep. They should have just been forthcoming and honest about it and a lot of this rage could have been avoided.

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    6. Re:Can you screw me now? by zippthorne · · Score: 2

      You realize that this would punish those of us who stayed....

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    7. Re:Can you screw me now? by wisnoskij · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would +1 if I had mod points.
      That is the whole point, it was never that expensive, but it almost doubled in price (and was a whole lot more then $2 mentioned).
      And to make matters worse the company was like. "We are sure that our customers absolutely love how their bill will be double next month while getting the exact same service. What an amazing thing we are doing for our customers."

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    8. Re:Can you screw me now? by JWW · · Score: 2

      Shit, if Version buys Netflix, I'd expect the most basic plan they offer will be at least $40/month and would probably have way less content than Netflix has now (newer movies will be premium service).

      I just have to say the following

      Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

    9. Re:Can you screw me now? by RMingin · · Score: 2

      It was only a 2$/month price change in Netflix's best case. In my case, 3 discs at once, 2 DVD, 1 Bluray plus streaming was 17.99$ previously, and a great deal. They revised that to 27.99$/month for me, and I responded by cancelling.

      This single example is the problem Netflix had, in microcosm. Sticker shock. Was it still a good deal at 28$/month? Probably. Could I have adjusted my plan down to, say, single Bluray and streaming to get my old price point back? Looks like. Did I? No.

      Why not? Because the difference between old price and new price pushed it from a price I could pay without much thought into the range where I consider the necessity.

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  2. Verizon would make it worse off. by sethstorm · · Score: 2

    Instead of having flat-rate streaming movies, it's an add-on that dings you per movie.

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    1. Re:Verizon would make it worse off. by Grave · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The "one price fits all" model just doesn't work very well in the real world.

      It doesn't work very well in the idiotic playground of RIAA/MPAA execs. While they may presently inhabit the real, physical world, the term "real world" implies something a bit more broad, and I don't believe the "one price fits all" model has been demolished for all markets.

  3. God no by CodeReign · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The CRTC will have a fit and use it as even more reason to keep the lecherous US company from stealing Bell's customers. Damn them netflix hooligans with their fairer prices.

  4. Oh God no by realmolo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Verizon buys Netflix, we'll be paying $15/month for streaming to ONE device at a time, and the DVD delivery will be dropped entirely.There will be a limit of 15 streams a month per account, or 50GB of data, whichever comes first. Additional streams will cost $3.99 each. And you'll have to sign a 2-year contract. And if you want to stream to your PHONE, that will be another $15 a month, on top of the $15/month membership.

    1. Re:Oh God no by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

      If you like it that much then you should have offline versions.

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    2. Re:Oh God no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Netflix subscribers, get used to bills like this:

      $9.99 - Basic service
      $2.55 - Federal taxes
      $1.85 - Network Maintenance fee
      $2.25 - Copyright owners association fee
      $1.45 - Federal Streaming tax
      $0.95 - Streaming content insurance
      $1.35 - Verizon CEO excess compensation fee

  5. NEW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Streaming that only works well on verizon internet!

  6. Please no, Verizon. by theVP · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, it's bad enough that ISP's, Verizon definitely included, are using bandwidth caps now, which limits the attraction of a service like Netflix.

    It's bad enough that Verizon charges you extra to use functions on your phone that don't have a damn thing to do with their network at all (Mobile Hotspot).

    I don't think I want to know how they manage to ruin Netflix, if they were to snatch it up.

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  7. Verizon: we keep on working you like a whore. by sethstorm · · Score: 2

    You forgot one of their old slogans that still applies to Verizon, and would apply to Netflix.

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  8. And again the content carrier becomes... by milbournosphere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the content producer. Should this actually happen, it could in no way be good for Netflix's customers, or even the market in general. Content carriers really should be separate from the producers of said content. It provides far too many opportunities for conflicts of interest, including (but not limited to) bandwidth and price preference. This is a bad idea; the telcos have proven time and time again that they are not to be trusted.

    1. Re:And again the content carrier becomes... by milbournosphere · · Score: 2

      True, but my point is that they're mostly separate from the folks that actually lay the lines and provide the bandwidth. Also, Netflix recently announced that they'll be picking up production of Arrested Development, so it appears that they might looking to expand their role in content production.

  9. Netflix vulnerable by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After their recent misstetp they'll likely be a bargain buy. Expect Verizon to only be interested in the technology, IP and media rights portfolio, while they ditch the people who are running the company.

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  10. I quit by whitelabrat · · Score: 2

    That'll definitely kill it. Verizon will force folks to subscribe to their cable service and offer it as an add-on or something horrible like that. I can't see how Verizon won't resist squeezing all the blood out of Netflix like everything else they do.

    I'm going to go hug a Redbox today.

    1. Re:I quit by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 2

      Hard to subscribe to Verizon FIOS in areas where they don't offer it (like here where I live).

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  11. I love Netflix by killmenow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am a long time customer. I love it. Even with the latest mis-steps, I am still a happy customer. Yes, they screwed up. But the service is still totally worth it to me.

    But if Verizon buys them, I'm cancelling. I just cannot imagine any way that they wouldn't completely destroy Netflix's value proposition.

    1. Re:I love Netflix by praxis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not that I don't think you're right, but if you love the service and it's worth it to you then why not wait until they destroy Netflix's value proposition rather than doing it preemptively?

    2. Re:I love Netflix by apcullen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because the first thing verizon would do is remove the "cancel my service" button that netflix has. You'll have to sit on hold an hour to get your service turned off or even downgraded.

    3. Re:I love Netflix by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      first thing verizon would do is remove the "cancel my service" button

      Please someone mod this up. Too many sleaze bag companies use the "make it painful, time consuming and difficult if not impossible to cancel" policy as a way to limit turnover instead of providing good service. That is what turned a planned temporary cancellation of DirecTV into a permanent, bitter grudge to the grave unwillingness to ever do business with them again.

      When Netflix's streaming library started shrinking rapidly (including a disappearing TV series I was halfway through) about the same time as the 60% price hike, at least it was easy to cancel. That left me with enough goodwill that I would consider subscribing again if they ever manage to start growing their streaming content. That would not happen if they became just another Verizon service.

    4. Re:I love Netflix by Thing+1 · · Score: 2

      Just change your credit card number; report it as lost or stolen, your bank will do this for free. I had my identity stolen a couple years ago, and had a stupid Best Buy service contract for my phone which when I bought it they said I would get a loaner, then when I tried to use the service they said I couldn't. I kept planning to cancel it, but then when my card# was stolen and I got the replacement card, I just ignored their requests for payment, and am whole. I expect a similar thing is possible with Netflix/Verizon. Alternately, a membership to Pre-Paid Legal (now some other name, I think LegalShield) is about $27 per month depending on the state you live in, and they'll write one letter or make one phone call for any issue; a letter or phone call from an attorney generally tends to help a company cancel my accounts. :)

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  12. I will cancel if Verizon buys Netflix by DanDD · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Missteps were mildly annoying, but I never considered cancelling. I _will_ cancel if Verizon acquires Netflix.

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    1. Re:I will cancel if Verizon buys Netflix by wytcld · · Score: 2

      Agreed. Netfilx is sometimes brilliant, sometimes bumbling, but delivering real value. Verizon is as close to the definition of evil in a corporation as you can get this side of a few of the big investment banks and mortgage lenders. Look at how Verizon screwed its union workers, despite all-time high profits, while paying its executives ever-more. Verizon's customers, also often screwed. They are on the front line of the upper class's war against the rest of us.

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  13. Re:Hastings Earns a generous severance package by EmagGeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He's probably got a comfy warm seat on Verizon's board waiting for him. There has to be a reason he single-handedly destroyed Netflix from the inside. Nobody is stupid enough to do everything he did just out of the blue.

  14. Just wail 'til VZ fixes Netflix's customer service by decaffeinated · · Score: 2
  15. They did it to themselves. by pavon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The fact of the matter is that the majority of people on the old Netflix plan only used the streaming service or the DVD plan because it came free with the one they wanted. They never had any interest in paying for the other service, so when Netflix decided to start charging for it, they naturally dropped the one they didn't use.

    There was a smaller group that liked both, and decided that even with a 60% price increase, that it was worth it.

    There was an even smaller group that liked both, but were frustrated with the streaming selection, annoyed at the screwed up website. They were already looking at other options, but nothing came close to the combined value of DVDs and streaming. When the price increase came, this changed and other options started looking more competitive so they left. But again this was a very small group.

    I wouldn't call people who don't want to pay for a service they hardly use spoiled. I wouldn't call people who can find a better deal spoiled. I call it obvious, and if Netflix had done any customer research they would have as well.

    1. Re:They did it to themselves. by Confusador · · Score: 2

      Wait, you're upset because a bunch of people who were upset with the service they were getting refused to stay with the service and thereby subsidize your use of it, and YOU are calling THEM spoiled?

  16. Dear Verizon... by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have stayed with Netflix through their recent screwups because they still offer exactly what I want for the price I want, and I don't particularly hate them as a company. And despite what everyone bitches about, my rate hasn't actually changed (except down!) since I originally signed up way back in their early days.

    I do, however, loathe you as a company, with every fiber of my being. If you buy Netflix, I will drop my subscription before the ink dries.

    So please, don't. I would prefer to keep my Netflix subscription. I will not, however, ever do business with Verizon, under any name I recognize as affiliated with them.

  17. More antitrust mergers, gah! by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

    I don't care if you like Verizon or not, we have to stop content carriers from buying content providers. Comcast+NBC, Verizon+Netflix, etc. It is bad enough that one company provides phone lines + service on those lines, now they are going to provide the whole thing?

    "No Mr. Senator, VerizonFlix services will not be hindered when traveling over competing networks. Here, ask our friend Benjamin if he sees any problems with it..."

  18. Sounds like a win for consumers! by DriveDog · · Score: 2

    My 10 year old son learned on his own Verizon's business strategies... with Roller Coaster Tycoon. He'd hide the amusement park's exit gate so guests would stay longer and hence spend more, and he'd cut the prices on soft drinks a little and charge for restroom usage. My younger daughter would get involved and check the state of individual guests. They were usually desperately looking for an exit or a restroom, or feeling nauseous, but my son didn't respond to their plight since his short-term profits were increasing. Recent decisions at the USPS regarding next-day delivery WILL impact Netflix's DVD shipments adversely, driving the business even faster to streaming. The best we can hope for if Verizon buys them is that they'll quickly spin off the DVD business, and it will focus on older and commercially less-successful movies. I do expect Verflixon to charge more to stream to "smart" devices (however they decide to define that), and make it difficult to tolerate not subscribing to the extra cost options. Furthermore, they'll obsolete existing Netflix-capable devices (Roku, Wii, etc.) and market their own replacements, "free" with a 24 month contract. Also, resolution will be lower and there'll be pauses for "rebuffering." Don't forget that documentaries about corporate malfeasance, citizen discontent, and popular uprisings will disappear from the catalog. You won't be watching pieces about OWS or anything Michael Moore might think up, but you'll get virtual visits to Ground Zero—Giftshop, that is, with "buy me now" buttons onscreen. Watch for a Verizon-Disney merge soon... Derizney? My son will then be hired to run Derizneyland.