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US Sentinel Drone Fooled Into Landing With GPS Spoofing

McGruber writes "Following up on the earlier Slashdot story, the Christian Science Monitor now reports that GPS spoofing was used to get the RQ-170 Sentinel Drone to land in Iran. According to an Iranian engineer quoted in the article, 'By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain.' Apparently, once it loses its brain, the bird relies on GPS signals to get home. By spoofing GPS, Iranian engineers were able to get the drone to 'land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications.'"

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  1. The truth slowly comes out by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The more important aspect of the truth that's slowly leaking out is that U.S. officials are finally admitting that it was on a spy mission inside Iran and dropping that ridiculous cover story that it was just flying around Afghanistan and accidentally may have strayed into Iran (oopsy, whoopsy, did we cross your border?!?).

    Of course, most non-idiots have known for some time that the CIA and Mossad have been in a state of undeclared war with Iran for several years now--assassinating their best nuke scientists and engineers, spying on their facilities, helping fund the Green movement, releasing Stuxnet and other viruses aimed at sabotaging them. etc., etc. But die-hard apologists (who seem to think that all those people at the CIA just stare at the wall all day, I suppose) have refused to accept this. These are probably the same people who believe the Pakistani government when they claim they had no idea Osama Bin Laden was in that compound in Abbottabad and that they're still our good friends (please keep sending us your money, infidel allies). But I digress.

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    1. Re:The truth slowly comes out by martin-boundary · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Except for the People. Let's make sure the People know, and things will unravel. Here's a well known puzzle to illustrate the point:

      In a certain matriarchal town, the women all believe in an old prophecy that says there will come a time when a stranger will visit the town and announce whether any of the menfolk are cheating on their wives. The stranger will simply say "yes" or "no", without announcing the number of men implicated or their identities. If the stranger arrives and makes his announcement, the women know that they must follow a particular rule: If on any day following the stranger's announcement a woman deduces that her husband is not faithful to her, she must kick him out into the street at 10am the next day. This action is immediately observable by every resident in the town. It is well known that each wife is already observant enough to know whether any man (except her own husband) is cheating on his wife. However, no woman can reveal that information to any other. A cheating husband is also assumed to remain silent about his infidelity.

      The time comes, and a stranger arrives. He announces that there are cheating men in the town. On the morning of the tenth day following the stranger's arrival, some unfaithful men are kicked out into the street for the first time.

      Question: How many of them are there?

    2. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Ardeaem · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The government doesn't like us because of the Shah and differences in how religion should affect policy, and they never will.

      Silly Iranians, so mad that we propped up a horribly oppressive regime. ("Maybe a better, simpler solution is to build good relations with those who oppose you?" would have been a good rule back then, too, eh?) Also, "and they never will" is a dumb statement to make. Being "nice" to nations can do wonders. After all, we turned Japan, our mortal enemy in WW2, with no history of democracy, on whom we dropped two atomic weapons, into one of our closest allies in just a few decades.

    3. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      If any Arab country or group of Arab countries ever succeeded in defeating Isreal militarily there would not be a single Jew alive at the end and a substantial amount of people in the world would not care in the slightest. Isreal is probably the only country in the world that actually needs nuclear weapons.

    4. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would argue that we have a good example on how getting nukes on both sides of the major conflict works. From NATO vs Warsaw pact, to more modern and far more similar India vs Pakistan, nuclear weapons brought direct hostilities of any kind to a crushing halt. It's actually scary enough to have a nuclear MAD that even religious nuts in Pakistan and India can't find enough support for another nice little war in Kashmir like ones they were so fond of before they both got nukes.
      Now it's barely tough words anymore. Nukes are apparently scarier then Allah, Buddha and all the Hindu gods combined.

      Perhaps Iran getting nukes and entering effective MAD with Israel would finally get some peace to Middle East, just like it did to Kashmir.

    5. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Squiddie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Except that we realize what Israel plans to do with their weapons if they do lose a war and have to negotiate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_option A nation with this thought process does not deserve nuclear armament.

    6. Re:The truth slowly comes out by sdguero · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If by "perfectly fine" you mean the saudis are ruled by a thinly veiled, US controlled, monarchical dictatorship, then sure our relations are perfectly fine.

      I'm not sure how "the holocaust never happened" quote can be taken out of context or mistranslated either.

      Iran is essentially ruled by Imams and a mishmash of Islamic leaders. Without oil money, savvy global political scheming, and a technology influx, the country would be quickly spinning into a dark age. I expect that to happen eventually anyway as long as they continue to be ruled by a non-secular government. History has proven time and time again that allowing faith to interfere or dominate government does not bode well for a nation's (or her citizens) future.

    7. Re:The truth slowly comes out by martin-boundary · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You clearly don't understand the point of the puzzle. There's a fundamental difference between "knowing" (suspecting) that something is true, and knowing thateveryone knows that something is true, and knowing that everyone knows that everyone knows that something is true, etc.

      Think about how stable the system in the puzzle is before the stranger arrives, and after the stranger arrives.

    8. Re:The truth slowly comes out by BlueParrot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, you do know that most of his "outlandish quotes" are usually either purposefully mistranslated

      You mean like the Iranian foreign ministry's official homepage translation, which mentioned erasing Israel of the map, until apologetic people in Europe started to pretend he was mistranslated, at which point they pulled their official translation and started to pretend it was Israeli propaganda?

      Ahmadinejad is not even the worst when it comes to such crap. His predecessor referred to Israelis as "human only in appearance".

    9. Re:The truth slowly comes out by baileydau · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why are you so gullible to believe that this story is factual or the Iran Engineer even works for the government and is not making it up? The loss of GPS is already anticipated in American aircraft and weaponry since the cold war. The Soviet Union routinely jammed GPS in areas like North Korea. Hell LightSquared jams GPS with a WiFI broadcast, its nothing new. That's why since the 80s missiles use terrain mapping to either continue to the target or leave the jamming area. Once GPS is lost planes and missiles can use TERCOM or INS how did the Iranians get by that?
      The tomahawk missile has been around since the 80s and has this tech.

      According to TFS they *didn't* jam the GPS signal. Otherwise it may well have switched over to another method.

      The TFS says they SPOOFED the GPS signal to say what they wanted it to say. Big difference ...

      Now I *thought* that GPS (at least the military version) was encrypted. If so, this would have significant implications as it would mean that they have the encryption key. And if it *isn't* encrypted, why the hell isn't it. That's just the first rule, never trust your inputs.

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    10. Re:The truth slowly comes out by tqk · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Whatever lunatic thought up the program needs their head examined because this is the kind of absolute failure of intelligence (and wits) plus absolute failure of strategy that has led to the US spending $1tn on achieving bugger all in the Middle East this past decade ... Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity ...

      Unless that was their plan all along.

      Think about it. You've right now got this massive military buildup that's about to be recalled, cashiered, and wound down. You won't have all of that a decade from now, and who knows who's going to be in the White House then? What's the CIA to do?

      Accelerate hostilities so you can use the assets you have now, now.

      Makes perfect sense to a warmonger. In other news, the first war in Iraq (to free Kuwait, chyaa, right) was a pretense to test out a lot of recently developed tech.; Patriot missiles, Abrams tanks, Stealth, ...

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  2. Why... by msauve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    was an expensive military drone using civilian GPS? The military has encrypted GPS signals (the P codes), which I very much doubt have been cracked. I'll bet someone made a decision to fallback to relying on unencrypted signals, instead of self-destructing after X minutes, upon loss of the encrypted signals.

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  3. Bad month for Drones by cosm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Also, there was the 2nd drone crash that happened recently after the Iran one, here. They didn't cover this one as voluminously it seems. And now we see this.

    Bad month for US drone interest and parties involved.

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  4. Re:Somewhere in the engineering process by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm surprised that it didn't have some sort of dead-reckoning or inertial system as a backup in such cases. If the dead-reckoning says "whoa, it is physically impossible for you to be anywhere NEAR where you think you are so ignore the GPS, go on inertial" ...

  5. unlikely by v1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    (land in Iraq, really?) Anyway, jamming isn't terribly difficult, especially when you're that close to the receiver. But "spoofing" GPS signals is a great deal more challenging. It's not the data on the gps signal, it's the timing that is the position information. If they were able to pull THAT off, they deserve the drone. and a pat on the back.

    If I had to guess I'd say they were lying about doing that, possibly hoping to make the US start questioning their reliance on GPS, since it's proving such a handy arms tool.

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    1. Re:unlikely by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. Especially since correctly timing the spoofed GPS signals requires knowing the location of the (stealth) drone you're trying to trick.

      Most aircraft use a variety of navigation methods too, not just GPS. You have inertial, radio beacons (e.g. the old LORAN system and current VOR), terrain recognition. If the military didn't specify during the design phase that the drone be able to determine its position using a variety of these different methods and to reasonably handle loss of one or several of these methods of navigation, then it deserved to lose its drone.

  6. Re:Military using common GPS? by Bugs42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One would think that the GPS the military relies on would be encrypted or something, y'know? How difficult is it to spoof military GPS?

    Very. The military GPS signals are encrypted with some pretty large keys that are changed every 24 hours IIRC. However, the nav systems will probably fall back to using the civilian GPS if the military signal is unavailable for some reason. My guess is that you could drown out all the real GPS signals with noise, then feed the target some spoofed civilian signals to get it to go where you want.

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  7. Re:nice hack by martin-boundary · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Being captured is not a problem, in fact it is a lobbying positive since it means that the Military Industrial Complex now needs more money to carve out a technological lead. The worst thing that can happen from a funding perspective is that the US military is perceived as so far ahead that it can't be technically challenged.

  8. propaganda - Military uses Encrpyed GPS by Taelron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This story sounds like more propaganda spin.

    The GPS network satelites broadcast two signals:
    Encrpyted - Used by the US Military
    Unencrypted - Everyone one else (Including pilots, car navigation, your hand held gps...)

    The Accuracy of the encrypted signal is much higher than the unencrypted signal. In fact the Military has the ability to vary the degree of accuracy and drift of the unencrypted gps signal. They use to vary it daily to keep enemys from using it against us. A practice that has subsided now that air travel and other services rely so heavily on GPS. Yet the Military still maintains and excerts the ability to manipulate the gps accuracy in any zone.

    Its much more difficult to "spoof" an encrypted signal.

    And images of the bird show damage to the wing indicating it smashed into something hard enough to dent and tear the carbon composite outer skin.

  9. And what happens.... by GigG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What happens when Iran or some other country uses this technology to cause one of our manned combat aircraft or worse yet a civilian aircraft to overfly their airspace and then they shoot it down?

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  10. Re:Somewhere in the engineering process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On board ships in the Navy, prior to GSP we always had to double check true north against magnetic north. There needs to be sort of this redundancy check on these things. GPS seems too easy to spoof.

    I recall a documentary about US aircraft carriers showing something along these lines. A crewman had a camera crew follow him out to an observation point where where he measured the position of the sun with a mechanical sextant and then went inside to the bridge and recorded the time from a mechanical chronometer. He then plotted the ships position. When asked why he was doing this he explained that the ship has GPS, LORAN, inertial and other navigational systems. He then added that this ship was a warship and is expected to navigate when all the electronics are gone.

  11. Re:Somewhere in the engineering process by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not all self destruct sequences are modelled off the starship enterprise. Some of them are quite simple really. Use a switch to connect high voltages to a sensitive microcontroller with all your fancy code for instance.

    Heck just look at credit card machines for some examples. There's a complex array of anti-tamper systems which serve to disable or erase sensitive parts to making debit transactions work if its opened, cracked, drilled, exposed to light etc.

  12. Re:Iraq? by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All that and you leave out a innocent civilian body count at least three times the number slaughtered by Sadam? Hey, let me go all Godwin and ask how big does a massacre have to be to qualify as a Nazi-esque Order of Magnitude Genocide (NOMG)? 500,000? a million?