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US Sentinel Drone Fooled Into Landing With GPS Spoofing

McGruber writes "Following up on the earlier Slashdot story, the Christian Science Monitor now reports that GPS spoofing was used to get the RQ-170 Sentinel Drone to land in Iran. According to an Iranian engineer quoted in the article, 'By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain.' Apparently, once it loses its brain, the bird relies on GPS signals to get home. By spoofing GPS, Iranian engineers were able to get the drone to 'land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications.'"

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  1. The truth slowly comes out by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The more important aspect of the truth that's slowly leaking out is that U.S. officials are finally admitting that it was on a spy mission inside Iran and dropping that ridiculous cover story that it was just flying around Afghanistan and accidentally may have strayed into Iran (oopsy, whoopsy, did we cross your border?!?).

    Of course, most non-idiots have known for some time that the CIA and Mossad have been in a state of undeclared war with Iran for several years now--assassinating their best nuke scientists and engineers, spying on their facilities, helping fund the Green movement, releasing Stuxnet and other viruses aimed at sabotaging them. etc., etc. But die-hard apologists (who seem to think that all those people at the CIA just stare at the wall all day, I suppose) have refused to accept this. These are probably the same people who believe the Pakistani government when they claim they had no idea Osama Bin Laden was in that compound in Abbottabad and that they're still our good friends (please keep sending us your money, infidel allies). But I digress.

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    1. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Ardeaem · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The government doesn't like us because of the Shah and differences in how religion should affect policy, and they never will.

      Silly Iranians, so mad that we propped up a horribly oppressive regime. ("Maybe a better, simpler solution is to build good relations with those who oppose you?" would have been a good rule back then, too, eh?) Also, "and they never will" is a dumb statement to make. Being "nice" to nations can do wonders. After all, we turned Japan, our mortal enemy in WW2, with no history of democracy, on whom we dropped two atomic weapons, into one of our closest allies in just a few decades.

    2. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would argue that we have a good example on how getting nukes on both sides of the major conflict works. From NATO vs Warsaw pact, to more modern and far more similar India vs Pakistan, nuclear weapons brought direct hostilities of any kind to a crushing halt. It's actually scary enough to have a nuclear MAD that even religious nuts in Pakistan and India can't find enough support for another nice little war in Kashmir like ones they were so fond of before they both got nukes.
      Now it's barely tough words anymore. Nukes are apparently scarier then Allah, Buddha and all the Hindu gods combined.

      Perhaps Iran getting nukes and entering effective MAD with Israel would finally get some peace to Middle East, just like it did to Kashmir.

    3. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Squiddie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Except that we realize what Israel plans to do with their weapons if they do lose a war and have to negotiate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_option A nation with this thought process does not deserve nuclear armament.

    4. Re:The truth slowly comes out by martin-boundary · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You clearly don't understand the point of the puzzle. There's a fundamental difference between "knowing" (suspecting) that something is true, and knowing thateveryone knows that something is true, and knowing that everyone knows that everyone knows that something is true, etc.

      Think about how stable the system in the puzzle is before the stranger arrives, and after the stranger arrives.

    5. Re:The truth slowly comes out by baileydau · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why are you so gullible to believe that this story is factual or the Iran Engineer even works for the government and is not making it up? The loss of GPS is already anticipated in American aircraft and weaponry since the cold war. The Soviet Union routinely jammed GPS in areas like North Korea. Hell LightSquared jams GPS with a WiFI broadcast, its nothing new. That's why since the 80s missiles use terrain mapping to either continue to the target or leave the jamming area. Once GPS is lost planes and missiles can use TERCOM or INS how did the Iranians get by that?
      The tomahawk missile has been around since the 80s and has this tech.

      According to TFS they *didn't* jam the GPS signal. Otherwise it may well have switched over to another method.

      The TFS says they SPOOFED the GPS signal to say what they wanted it to say. Big difference ...

      Now I *thought* that GPS (at least the military version) was encrypted. If so, this would have significant implications as it would mean that they have the encryption key. And if it *isn't* encrypted, why the hell isn't it. That's just the first rule, never trust your inputs.

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  2. Why... by msauve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    was an expensive military drone using civilian GPS? The military has encrypted GPS signals (the P codes), which I very much doubt have been cracked. I'll bet someone made a decision to fallback to relying on unencrypted signals, instead of self-destructing after X minutes, upon loss of the encrypted signals.

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  3. Bad month for Drones by cosm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Also, there was the 2nd drone crash that happened recently after the Iran one, here. They didn't cover this one as voluminously it seems. And now we see this.

    Bad month for US drone interest and parties involved.

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  4. Re:Somewhere in the engineering process by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm surprised that it didn't have some sort of dead-reckoning or inertial system as a backup in such cases. If the dead-reckoning says "whoa, it is physically impossible for you to be anywhere NEAR where you think you are so ignore the GPS, go on inertial" ...

  5. unlikely by v1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    (land in Iraq, really?) Anyway, jamming isn't terribly difficult, especially when you're that close to the receiver. But "spoofing" GPS signals is a great deal more challenging. It's not the data on the gps signal, it's the timing that is the position information. If they were able to pull THAT off, they deserve the drone. and a pat on the back.

    If I had to guess I'd say they were lying about doing that, possibly hoping to make the US start questioning their reliance on GPS, since it's proving such a handy arms tool.

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    1. Re:unlikely by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. Especially since correctly timing the spoofed GPS signals requires knowing the location of the (stealth) drone you're trying to trick.

      Most aircraft use a variety of navigation methods too, not just GPS. You have inertial, radio beacons (e.g. the old LORAN system and current VOR), terrain recognition. If the military didn't specify during the design phase that the drone be able to determine its position using a variety of these different methods and to reasonably handle loss of one or several of these methods of navigation, then it deserved to lose its drone.

  6. Re:Military using common GPS? by Bugs42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One would think that the GPS the military relies on would be encrypted or something, y'know? How difficult is it to spoof military GPS?

    Very. The military GPS signals are encrypted with some pretty large keys that are changed every 24 hours IIRC. However, the nav systems will probably fall back to using the civilian GPS if the military signal is unavailable for some reason. My guess is that you could drown out all the real GPS signals with noise, then feed the target some spoofed civilian signals to get it to go where you want.

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  7. Re:Somewhere in the engineering process by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not all self destruct sequences are modelled off the starship enterprise. Some of them are quite simple really. Use a switch to connect high voltages to a sensitive microcontroller with all your fancy code for instance.

    Heck just look at credit card machines for some examples. There's a complex array of anti-tamper systems which serve to disable or erase sensitive parts to making debit transactions work if its opened, cracked, drilled, exposed to light etc.