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Examining the Usability of Gnome, Unity and KDE

gbjbaanb writes "TechRadar has gathered a few users and subjected the 3 main Linux desktops to some usability testing for both experienced users and some new to the whole concept." I'm glad to see such ongoing comparisons; they encourage cross-pollination of the best ideas. On the other hand, it's a little bit like trying to determine the "best" dessert; even the most elaborate attempts to find statistical consensus won't answer the question of what's best for any particular user.

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  1. General usability should be one of the choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's nothing wrong with ignoring the needs of individual users to tailor a generally good experience, _so long as power-users are still given the ability to pick the option best for them as individuals_. That last part is the important part that Apple has forgotten of late.

    1. Re:General usability should be one of the choices by InsightIn140Bytes · · Score: 4, Funny

      But Linux is open. Fork it and do it yourself! Given the ability, pffft.

    2. Re:General usability should be one of the choices by obarthelemy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Users can't fork Linux, they need something premade.
      Further, users have computers skills by now, and have no desire to re-learn from scratch.

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    3. Re:General usability should be one of the choices by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Informative

      They did fork Gnome, it's called Maté.

    4. Re:General usability should be one of the choices by Coryoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's nothing wrong with ignoring the needs of individual users to tailor a generally good experience, _so long as power-users are still given the ability to pick the option best for them as individuals_.

      The standards for people calling themselves "power users" really seems to have dropped. The people I think of as power users would have no problem hacking together a nice custom FVWM2 configuration that integrates all the GNOME3 libraries (including the internal notification and messaging systems -- they do have nice exposed interfaces after all) and applications while giving them exactly the custom experience they desire. I mean GNOME3 is pretty damn modular and broken into a myriad of different libraries and components after all; it's just the shell that they've stuck on top as gloss that lacks some customidability. But no, these days people that call themselves "power users" seem to run scared at the mere mention of hand-writing their own FVWM2 or xmonad configuration from scratch; or indeed, of bothering to actually have to get their hands dirty to create a custom environment at all. Today "power users" need to be able to "customise" their environment via pretty GUIs and checkboxes. Heck, I've heard people calling themselves power users who called GConf complicated.

      Look, there's still plenty of extensive customisation and configurability inherent in these systems, they just require you actually be a power user and know what the hell you're doing, and not be scared of getting your hands a little messy and stepping outside pretty candy coated "configuration" utilities.

    5. Re:General usability should be one of the choices by Nursie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No.

      To customise Gnome Shell you need to write javascript. I do not have the time or the inclination to write code to re-add functionality that was available with a right-click in the last release.

      People who write custom FVWM2 configs in the way you talk about it were never power-users, they're obsessives.

  2. Configurability by NoobixCube · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know what's best for everyone? Configurability. When the developers can't decide how something should work, when they have two what seem like equally good or equally bad ideas, why should they force one particular decision on the user? Why not just put an option on a big scary controll panel somewhere made just for that? Of course, for usabilitiy's sake, there'd be the normal slick and easy to read control panel, but Gnome used to have GConf (does Gnome 3 have it? I don't know). You could use GConf to configure ANY aspect of the interface, anything at all. It was a very powerful tool if you knew what you were doing with it. So set the defaults to the lowest common denominator, to the grandma standard, but at least leave the powertools where we can reach them! Put up a warning that it may break the interface, sour the milk or bring the rapture to scare off the grandma users, and only those who really know what they're doing need concern themselves with it.

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    1. Re:Configurability by obarthelemy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not really. OOBE is more important for the 95+% of users who are not hackers.

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    2. Re:Configurability by TheLink · · Score: 5, Informative

      Configurability is nice, but defaults are very important. A good GUI has good defaults.

      You could use GConf to configure ANY aspect of the interface, anything at all.

      Not helpful to most users. And in theory you could use the source code to configure any aspect of the interface too.

      1) Most people instead of making 1000 decisions to get a GUI that's 99% suitable for them, will make one decision to get a GUI that has defaults that are 80% suitable for them.
      2) If you deviate too much from the defaults, you may have difficulty getting support. This may not be a problem for slashdotters but it is a problem for the rest of the world.

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    3. Re:Configurability by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Informative

      one little problem with that, smarty pants, you can't configure GNOME 3 in many cases with or without config file editing. instead, you have to write a fucking app or hire a developer to do simple things that used to be GNOME user configuration actions

    4. Re:Configurability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's kind of the route taken by KDE. It's *hugely* configurable. Want a stock ticker widget in your task bar? Fine, just unlock it and drag one in there. Want the task bar on the right side? Just drag it over. Want to make caps an additional control? It's just a checkbox in the preferences. By and large, you don't even have to use obscure registry-style editors either.

      KDE 4.7 FTW.

    5. Re:Configurability by Ruie · · Score: 3, Informative

      I disagree completely. KDE's configurability is asinine. When KDE apps run under another WM, they use their own KDE defaults like click-to-activate vs. click-to-select, double-click-to-activate. It's annoying as hell to run K3B under Gnome 2, because it does not behave like anything else on my desktop. The only reason I put up with it is that they did the best job of a burning utility I've seen since Nero, and maybe even better than Nero (note I'm talking the old "advanced" Nero tools, not the shiny crapware wrappers they install be default with the new releases.)

      With the way KDE is structured on top of Qt, it should be possible for a KDE app running under Gnome to detect that fact and "import" it's settings and defaults from Gnome's environment. The reverse should also be true.

      It's almost to the point of frustration that I prefer applications that just ignore any standards at all and do their own thing entirely. At least they're consistently screwed up, following their programmer's diabolical visions of UI hell imposed on the user community. :p

      Heh.. KDE has a checkbox (enabled under Kubuntu, for example) to make Gnome apps behave and look more like KDE ones. I would expect that Gnome users should extend Gnome settings application to just export their settings to KDE, should not be that hard.

      Btw, what really annoys me about running Gnome apps (anywhere) is the stupid file selection dialog. It's like somebodies design goal was to prevent users from accessing files, but they did it incompetently.

  3. From the website that looks like this by Superken7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Techradar wants to talk and judge usability of the all-time favourite linux desktops, and yet their own website looks like THIS: http://i.imgur.com/IOyKu.png

    I know other browsers render it centered, but that's not the (only) point, it's that their web looks awful: about 1/4 is margins, which is OK, and of those 3/4 1/4 is the content, which is split into 7 tiny sections (just give me the whole article and don't make me page every 3 paragraphs, it's almost 2012, for christ sakes!), tiny text, tiny images, and 3/4 of crap (related content, ads, menus, more related content, more related content).

    It's not like they can't provide a very valid examination of linux desktops, but their site does not inspire very much credibility when they themselves get it so wrong, IMHO.

    1. Re:From the website that looks like this by Osty · · Score: 4, Informative

      I know other browsers render it centered, but that's not the (only) point

      The site's punishing you for using an ad blocker. I just tested Chrome with adblock, Chrome without adblock, Aurora with adblock, Aurora without adblock, IE9, Opera 11, Safari 5 with adblock, and Safari without adblock. In every case, when adblock was turned off (or not available), the page rendered correctly*. When adlbock was turned on, it rendered like a steaming pile of shit.

      The remainder of your points are completely valid. Fixed-width, fixed-font size, ad-spattered, split-for-the-sake-of-page-views "design" doesn't really inspire confidence about their ability to validate usability testing. At least they don't have an always-on-top floating toolbar like so many other sites are doing. But I probably shouldn't be giving them any ideas ...

      * It's worth noting that the page is still a steaming pile of shit when rendered "correctly". The only difference is that it's centered.

  4. What "usability testing"? by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where's the "usability testing"? The linked article is just typical blogger blithering, spread over multiple pages for maximum ad insertion. They write "Since usability is a personal experience, we invited a bunch of people, from newbies to power users, to share their experiences with 3.2.". Which probably means "we asked for comments on a blog".

    Real usability testing is not market research. It's measuring how well people did on tasks, not what they said they liked.

    1. Re:What "usability testing"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And in the computer industry it's almost always done horribly. I've participated in such studies, and they mistake "ease of learning for a complete newbie" with "usability". They are not the same. You're only a newbie on some application for a few days or weeks, but you might be using it for the next 10 years. What makes a package *usable* is not something you can learn by watching me come up to speed on the damn thing for a few hours. Let me use it day in and day out and talk to me in 6 months. I'll have suggestions about whatever scriptability you have exposed, about keyboard shortcuts, about integration with this or that... none of which I will be able to tell you in your three hour usability focus session.

    2. Re:What "usability testing"? by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've participated in such studies, and they mistake "ease of learning for a complete newbie" with "usability". They are not the same.

      But neither are they completely different.

      Usability encompasses not just newbie experience and not just expert experience, but the whole range.

      Because of that, I found this particular article's conclusions very interesting: KDE has long held the position of most scriptable, most configurable, most integrable, etc. In short, it's been a power-user's desktop (well, out of the major options, anyway). Now it is apparently the most newbie-friendy desktop as well.

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  5. The real wtf by ysth · · Score: 4, Funny

    Statements in the article reveal it was written, or at least researched, 2 months ago.

    There has been a lot of churn since then, including in the Gnome 2 fork MATE and the variety of Gnome shell extensions making Gnome 3 more usable.

  6. Never mind the usability tests by rbrander · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...how do I get in on these scientific experiments to determine the best dessert?

  7. Unity is one of 3 Main Linux Desktops? by Glasswire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    KDE and Gnome obviously yes, but Unity is one of the top 3? Just because most recent Ubuntus foist this on users (and most feedback I've seen has been negative) - is there any data to show that Unity has even 10% of Linux desktops? While Ubuntu is popular, that just means it's bigger than any other. My totally unsubstantiated guess would be that Ubuntu is less than 30% of all desktop Linuxes installed and of that, not all are 11.x gen and many of those users have installed another desktop. So...
    I would be SHOCKED if Unity is running on 5% of Linux desktops - does anyone have any hard evidence to counter this?
    I wouldn't be surprised if Enlightenment or Fluxbox had bigger install base.
    (I can't believe no one else has pointed this out)

  8. Re:Determining the best turd by bmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can talk about many shortcomings of Windows, but they pretty much have usability figured out, right?

    No, no they do not. And to talk to any typical Windows user, Windows is confusing to many users.

    I can't wait for a fully-enabled Metro desktop to be unleashed by Microsoft. It caters to the absolute lowest common denominator of user. The rage it induces in power users is hilarious.

    Why does Linux live in a separate world?

    Because imitating the Windows UI is stupid and possibly lawsuit-bait. And I didn't go to Linux to just move to a cheap version of Windows.

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  9. Usability of the Article? by froggymana · · Score: 5, Funny

    Resizes automatically to fit my screen? No.
    Has everything on one neat page? No.
    Allows you to click on the small pictures to get a higher resolution picture? No.
    Is uncluttered by random links and pictures not relating to the article? No.
    Is completely free of annoying social networking buttons that track pages you view? No.

    Verdict
    The article is annoying and not very usable.

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  10. Re:Determining the best turd by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Contrast it with me having problems (on SuSe) mounting a drive last week. Yes - it recognized the drive, but "unable to mount". Yes - eventually I got it to work. But if the solution required opening a shell, calling mount command, figuring out where in command line to say "ntfs" and guessing which /dev/sd? matches the actual flash drive, then I say Linux lost already!

    Oh, right. Because Windows will just oh so happily mount an ext4-formatted USB drive?

    No-one who cares about interoperability would use a proprietary filesystem like NTFS on a USB drive. Or, at least, they wouldn't go whining about how no other computer can read it.

  11. Re:KDE the replacement for Gnome 2? by KugelKurt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    KDE still feels overly complicated whenever I go to configure things.

    If there is anything that's hard to configure, it's GNOME. GNOME has lots of options -- most of them hidden somewhere in GConf. It's hard to get more complicated than that. ;-)

    As for "KDE"... you're both wrong and right. What you described is the KDE3 attitude. In the 4.x series many config options have been cleaned up. See Dophin (compared to Konqueror 3.x), Gwenview, or Okular. In fact, I'd argue that new applications and components written for the 4.x series are among the most clean and usable applications available for Linux -- including Plasma Desktop itself.
    However, there are a few black sheep: Usually applications simply ported over from 3.x like KMail whose GUI barely changed over the years because the developers were busy with back-end renovation.
    That said, that article is about the desktop environments themselves, not applications usually used together with them.