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Dell and Baidu Introduce a Smartphone With Forked Version of Android

cortex writes "XDA developers is reporting on the release of a new smart phone which runs a forked version of Google's Android operating system: 'Dell and Baidu, the Chinese search giant with over 80% marketshare in its home-country, unveiled the Streak Pro on Tuesday (via Computerworld). The device has a 4.3 AMOLED screen with 960×540 resolution and packs a 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm processor. Most notably, however, is the operating system it runs: a forked Android version dubbed Baidu Yi, which replaces Google's services with those of Baidu.' How will this impact Google's support for Android and open source in general?'

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  1. With the expected Chinese requirements. by sethstorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps they want something onboard that makes Carrier IQ look tame.

    Search for or have anything deemed subversive on the device, it reports you silently.

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    1. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by InterestingFella · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seriously, I'm tired of these stupid comments towards China. Especially when US government is much worse. Have you lived there or actually know it? Because it isn't like that. I have my own experience. Sure, do keep up with the "China == bad" bullshit, but you're only lying to yourself. Just like with communism == bad during cold war. It's bullshit without real experience.

    2. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by adriantam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree with you that "China == bad" is not always true. But how do you explain the 80% market share of Baidu? In China, you can't do big business without kowtow to the government. That's a reason for that bullshit to exists. And that's a way to get rid of those bullshit: lift your hands off the people and let them have the freedom. By the way, I am Chinese.

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    3. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I can't tell if you're trolling or really that poorly informed. For all my complaints about how we do things, your suggestion that the situation in the US is worse than China is patently absurd.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China

    4. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, let me know about the secret prisons china has outside its borders in order to torture people and circumvent its own laws.

      .

      You assume they need to be outside the country?

    5. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your figures may be a little out of date - Baidu's current market share in China is 60.67%.

      Source: http://gs.statcounter.com/#search_engine-CN-monthly-201011-201111

    6. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by retchdog · · Score: 2

      hello, 50 cent army, and welcome to slashdot! i hope you have a terrible time!

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    7. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      what is the score in Tibet?

    8. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by Darri · · Score: 2

      one party != democracy

      Agreed.

      Say the Chinese communist party were to split into two factions, both deeply committed to communism, but with subtle differences when it comes to implementation details, then all of a sudden you'd have a model democracy, right?

    9. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by mynickslongerthanurs · · Score: 5, Informative

      But how do you explain the 80% market share of Baidu?

      Because its major competitor is suffering from blatant malicious QoS deterioration?

      • Every 15 minutes, any attempt to access google is met with a reset. The blocking lasts 15 minutes, causing an artificial 50% downtime for ALL Google services.
      • When the service is accessible, searching for a potentially 'inharmonious' word (including seemly innocuous false positives like 'carrot') resets the connection immediately and deny future access to Google for 5 minutes.
      • Don't even THINK about using Google Search over SSL.
      • G+ doesn't work. Well, neither does Facebook.
      • Blog service (blogspot/blogger) doesn't work. In fact, searching for the word 'blogspot' resets the connection.
      • Video service (Youtube) obviously doesn't work.
      • No site managed by Google Sites works.

      Oh, and I'm a native.

    10. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by makomk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you try to start riots, then yes you're going to get problems.

      If you try and peacefully petition the Government for redress, you're going to get in trouble too. The whole reason there are so many riots in the first place is that China is horribly corrupt, it has a massive income disparity between rural and urban areas, because of the corruption rural dwellers can have their land taken from them at any time with essentially no compensation, and if you try to peacefully complain about any of this you're going to jail.

    11. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      China finds plenty to do within its own borders. They are just constrained by their means at the moment from stepping outside. The Chinese government also finds its own laws somewhat less restricting than the US, and hence has no need to circumvent them.

      Hey, I'll be the first to denounce the things you mention in the US, however most of the ground the US government is covering has been passed over long ago by those in power in China.

    12. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please, point me to the last time china killed over 100.000 foreign civilians outside its borders.

      Interesting that you apply different morality to who they kill depending on whether or not they are in or outside their borders.

      Does Korea count? How about Tibet? Ask the people in Taiwan about their gentle neighbor.

      I can understand how people are anxious about the behavior of the US - but just because the US is evil nowadays doesn't mean that China is automatically good.

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    13. Re:With the expected Chinese requirements. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What about the secret prisons INSIDE China? Villagers who exercise their "constitutional right" to come to Beijing to complain to the central government about corruption are detained in unofficial jails, often kept for weeks/months in crowded zoo-like cells, and are then "repatriated" back to the very people they were complaining about. Does wonders for reducing the number of complaints...

      China's human rights record is a complete fail. Only the wu mao dang or the extremely naive would place their record in the same playing field with that of the US.

      And only a fool would trust a Chinese government blessed "fork" of Android for use with anything but the most mundane of tasks.

      It's only a short matter of time before this house of cards collapses. Try going to China outside of one of the silos of prosperity (20 or so major cities). The natives are VERY restless.

      Best,

  2. Not at all by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's already some Android phone out that uses Bing as the search engine. And then of course there is Amazon who essentially is forking Android.

    Google had to know this would happen, they simply don't care. If they keep advancing Android it keeps Android devices more desirable than others in theory. Plus at this point what would the strategy really be? Close Android off and watch vendors run to Microsoft?

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    1. Re:Not at all by Acheron219 · · Score: 2

      I think the "interest" angle here is that it's a Dell branded device, rather than a Chinese brand name. (Built in China though, for sure). It's moderately interesting more in the implication of what this might do with Google's relationship to Dell, if Dell has any intention of competing in the US market at all any more.

    2. Re:Not at all by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Depends on how you define forks. Amazon has to my knowledge not "Forked" Android. To do so would be to take Android and do in house development in a different direction. From what I can tell they have simply taken Android as is and put their modifications on top of it. Amongst them removed the Google Apps, and added their own primary interface and own apps.

      Most phone manufacturers do this already just not on the same big scale. Samsung ship phones with TouchWiz, a Samsung specific home screen and app drawer for their phones which is more like iOS than Android, as well as the Samsung Marketplace. The difference is that they still have Google's partnership and ship the phone with the complete set of Google Apps and the official Market.

      When you fork a project you take the project at a given time in a new direction, and the codebase typically starts separating more and more from the original. Customising Android, regardless of how heavily you do it does not make it a fork until you essentially take over a whole new project.

    3. Re:Not at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Android is not being forked, not on those and not on this article.

      "Most notably, however, is the operating system it runs: a forked Android version dubbed Baidu Yi, which replaces Google's services with those of Baidu.' How will this impact Google's support for Android and open source in general?'"

      Gapps (Google Applications) do not belong to Android, they are separated applications from Google.

      Android source code is available from source.android.com and that is the Android. Gapps are not avalable from there as they do not belong to Android.

      Gapps and Android needs to be think as Windows and Adobe CS suite. Even if some PC manufacturer would preinstall Adobe CS with Windows to PC and add that price to that computer price, it would not be forking Windows.

      But people do not understand smartphones or Android, it is just a software system like Windows is, but instead including NT operating system, it has Linux operating system in it.
      That if you swap official (and usually preinstalled) Google applications for Android with official operator or manufacturer applications, does not mean it is forking Android.

      Amazon has never forked Android, neither is Dell and Baidu forking it now. They are simply swapping non-Android applications to other non-Adroid applications. Microsoft has done that as well with Verizon by swapping gapps to bing, hotmail and others applications.

      Installing a own launcher (homescreen) or doing any other tweaking isn't forking. Amazon has not toke Android source code and started to develop it in own branch making it incompatible with Android and Android applications. Amazon knows that would be a suicide and Amazon could not even use a name "Android" at that point as it is a registered trademark.
      Even if with Windows would be open source, Microsoft would not allow someone to take Windows, making it incompatible with Windows and still keeping its name as "Microsoft Windows".

    4. Re:Not at all by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      Technically, their intent was to fork it. The Chinese government was adamant about not wanting any secret US back-doors in it.

      My guess is that they probably did it just like our US Department of Defense. They probably froze it to an older version to try to secure that at least, and then when they finally could deliver something to their bosses, they got yelled at for delivering a version so old, that Google had already published at least half-a-dozen new major versions in the mean time.

    5. Re:Not at all by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      probably won't affect dell's relations with google at all.

      it's china customization of android.

      think about it - it's pretty hard for google to justify acting all nasty just because you're making a version for a market on which the customers wouldn't be able to use the google services anyhow......

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  3. Re:Google will smile and laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Google didn't "ignore" the chinese market, they pulled out for ethical reasons (present chinese government wanted them to censor).

  4. Flooding the Market by Dancing+Propeller+He · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is great for the Android hardware ecosystem. Android hardware can then become the commodity computer of the future. The PC model of real hardware and software choices needs to move into the phone/tablet market as well. Otherwise we will simply be just the iJailed users of these devices.

  5. Re:Google will smile and laugh by InterestingFella · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That was only last year. They had a minor market share to begin with, so gaining good publicity by "pulling out of china" was only good for marketing purposes. They weren't profitable there to begin with. Google has a good marketing team tho - instead of announcing that they failed to profit in Chinese market, they turned it upside down and told they're getting off for ethical reasons to make it look less failure.

  6. Non Google services or a code fork? by Kenja · · Score: 2

    They would not be the first Android phone to not use Googles services, hell Motorola replaced the Google services with Yahoo on some of their phones. That does not mean that it is a code fork. So what specifically is different about the OS, other then the non-Google bundled apps?

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  7. Re:Google will smile and laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Google had a significant portion of the Chinese market before pulling out - over 35%. And even with the current situation where they have much less marketshare, they're profitable. So basically you're full of shit.

    Google had been against censorship all along, but decided to try and change China from the inside. Eventually, they discovered that it wasn't possible, so they stuck up for their principles and took their ball and went home. It's rare that you see a company put principle ahead of profit, and they should be commended for it.

  8. Impact? by NoMaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "How will this impact Google's support for Android and open source in general?"

    Not at all, or possibly for the better?

    If they didn't want people to fork Android (and, as noted above, it's debatable if this is really a fork or just replacing bundled apps / settings), they shouldn't have open sourced it.

    If they get pissy and decide to close it off due to forks/mods like this, then we're still left with the previous versions of Android - and we're better off without a developer that wants to take their bat and ball and go home at the first little upset.

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    1. Re:Impact? by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "How will this impact Google's support for Android and open source in general?"

      Not at all, or possibly for the better?

      Definitely for the better. Truth be told, Google's attitude towards free software sucks in major ways, not least their overt campaign to undermine the GPL and copyleft in general. Yes, this is overt, and shameless. There is one loose cannon in particular whose name I will not mention whose personal vendetta includes not only the entire GPL ecosystem, but Debian too. Might as well have a serial puppy shooter on staff.

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    2. Re:Impact? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not all os us who love open source software love GPL... I don't mind the puppy shooter.

      As a programmer, I open source a lot of what I do (a decision I usually make after I have working code), but I don't touch anything GPL, because that's taking away my freedom to decide my license, and therefore what I can do with my code. Sometimes if I can't did what I want as non-GPL source, I write it from scratch. But since I usually open source it, I guess everyone wins. Users then have two open source options, and the next developer that comes along has a BSD option.

    3. Re:Impact? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 2

      There is one loose cannon in particular whose name I will not mention whose personal vendetta includes not only the entire GPL ecosystem, but Debian too.

      Could someone name and shame here? I'm not saying this is untrue; maybe the parent has a real reason not to name; but strong statements require evidence. Google continually claims to be supporting and helping Linux.

      This is a pretty serious accusation against a company which would have been priced out of the market if it hadn't had Linux and wouldn't have had Linux (or for that matter BSD) if the GNU project hadn't provided a shelter for FOSS during the bad days around the BSD lawsuit. Google, IMHO would have been swamped by Microsoft by now without GPL software.

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  9. Baidu is awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Baidu is absolutely laden with spam. The English searches are a little better, those come from Bing rather than Baidu's own engine, no great but passable.

    But when I was in Shanghai I used Baidu almost exclusively, because they keep blocking Google. Sometimes Google works, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it works but is so ridiculously slow that it's unusable. I know this is not Google making, but the Chinese tricks. However I still need to find things.

    It's not a political thing I think, a lot of it is just corruption. It's not that the guy running the routers is such a communist puritan that he favors Baidu comrades, it's that he's such a corrupt person, ten bucks in his pocket and he'll route you through a Pentium 4 firewall! Baidu just know who to pay off.

  10. Nothing new here... by sociocapitalist · · Score: 2

    Follows the pattern that Baidu appears to have adopted in duplicating what Google does. Typical copy, change the picture and the name, and paste.

    Given the history, Google should have left the software open source elsewhere and kept it proprietary in China.

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  11. Re:Google will smile and laugh by zerojoker · · Score: 2

    That's because they are competing on an unfair market. The Chinese government is highly corrupt and is trying to support chinese companys where they can. They do not only block youtube, twitter, google and the like for political reasons, but also to support domestic companies. If you cannot reach youtube due to the firewall, of course you will change to a chinese alternative. Same goes for twitter, google, and all the other google services...

  12. Re:Android + Google apps for the full experiance by jscotta44 · · Score: 2

    Wow. The "full experience" requires the use of Google apps? So much for open source and choice.

    Yes, if you have the technical ability that /.'era are supposed to have, then you can root your phone, fork your own version of Android, yada, yada, yada. But Google would go broke if the only people using Android phones are /.'ers. So as more organizations move to fork Android for their own purposes, it will be interesting to see just how long it takes before Google pulls out of supporting it.

  13. It's working exactly as designed by yelvington · · Score: 2

    From http://source.android.com/faqs.html#what-kind-of-open-source-project-is-android

    Why did we open the Android source code?

    Google started the Android project in response to our own experiences launching mobile apps. We wanted to make sure that there would always be an open platform available for carriers, OEMs, and developers to use to make their innovative ideas a reality. We also wanted to make sure that there was no central point of failure, so that no single industry player could restrict or control the innovations of any other. The single most important goal of the Android Open-Source Project (AOSP) is to make sure that the open-source Android software is implemented as widely and compatibly as possible, to everyone's benefit.

    "No central point of failure, so that no single industry player could could restrict or control the innovations of any other."

    Seems pretty clear.