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Sorry, IT: These 5 Technologies Belong To Users

GMGruman writes "The BYOD (bring your own device) phenomenon hasn't been easy on IT, which has seen its control slip. But for these five technologies — mobile devices, cloud computing services, social technology, exploratory analytics, and specialty apps — it has already slipped, and Forrester and others argue IT needs to let go of them. That also means not investing time and money in all the management apps that vendors are happy to sell to IT shops afraid of BYOD — as this post shows, many just won't deliver what IT hopes."

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  1. Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Typical user conceit "This is MY dingly dangly, it lights up and makes my balls feel warm! Oh SHIT, I BROKE the DINGLY! IT FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT."

    Rinse, Lather, Repeat.

    1. Re:Sigh by dwillden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Better than, I'm supposed to use this dingly dangly to do work, but the tools I'm allowed to use don't quite do what I need. If I could just use this app I could increase productivity, but IT has the system so locked down that to even think about using a different app is grounds for termination.

      Face it, IT's job is to facilitate the rest of the company's performance of the real purposes of the company. IT doesn't make money for the company it enables the money making areas to make the money. A wise IT dept allows users to add additional tools, but with the caveat that the only fix available is a system wipe and restore to original configuration. The Users are responsible for keeping their data backed up.

      As to the Gadget aspect, if the company didn't buy it, the company isn't responsible to fix it. If the company did, the company should have an extra stockpile, and any broken gadget is simply replaced with a baseline new one, again leaving it up to the employee to restore the apps and data they want. And it's the employee's job if their failure to maintain a backup causes critical data to be lost.

      Okay, everybody tell me how wrong I am.

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    2. Re:Sigh by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Better than, I'm supposed to use this dingly dangly to do work, but the tools I'm allowed to use don't quite do what I need. If I could just use this app I could increase productivity, but IT has the system so locked down that to even think about using a different app is grounds for termination. Face it, IT's job is to facilitate the rest of the company's performance of the real purposes of the company. IT doesn't make money for the company it enables the money making areas to make the money. A wise IT dept allows users to add additional tools, but with the caveat that the only fix available is a system wipe and restore to original configuration. The Users are responsible for keeping their data backed up. As to the Gadget aspect, if the company didn't buy it, the company isn't responsible to fix it. If the company did, the company should have an extra stockpile, and any broken gadget is simply replaced with a baseline new one, again leaving it up to the employee to restore the apps and data they want. And it's the employee's job if their failure to maintain a backup causes critical data to be lost. Okay, everybody tell me how wrong I am.

      You're not wrong. But neither is the parent. And this is all known by anyone that's been in the I/T field for any serious length of time. It's all a balancing act. And since you have to balance security with efficiency your friend through all the pitfalls (besides common sense) is documentation. Make the end user sign a piece of paper saying the device is his and will only be supported for X purpose and only to Y point.

      When the user breaks something you told them is unsupported past a certain point that documentation will help point the user in the right direction and keep both yourself and the company safe from rampant I broke my $device while doing company work on it! Fix it or get me a new one!

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    3. Re:Sigh by billcopc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Face it, IT's job is to facilitate the rest of the company's performance of the real purposes of the company. IT doesn't make money for the company it enables the money making areas to make the money.

      That's only half the job. The other half is protecting the company from nasty lawsuits by ensuring license adherence, data security, compliance with various tech-related laws, and proper access control.

      Deploying servers and workstations is only week 1. Weeks 2 to 52 are all about keeping the boat afloat.

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    4. Re:Sigh by Xugumad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Okay, everybody tell me how wrong I am.

      I will say, users are terrible for taking responsibility for their own mistakes. So we either are the bad guys for not allowing shiny untested tech, or for not fixing problems users bring upon themselves with the shiny tech.

      The effect of risks in aggregate are also very opaque; you may never see problems with random untested approaches or poorly considered actions, but IT deal with this routinely. What do you want us to say when we're told too much time is spent on support queries already?

    5. Re:Sigh by isorox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Better than, I'm supposed to use this dingly dangly to do work, but the tools I'm allowed to use don't quite do what I need. If I could just use this app I could increase productivity, but IT has the system so locked down that to even think about using a different app is grounds for termination.

      Fortunately my management structure realises IT is there for people that use a selection of a few specific applications, and those of us with "unusual" requirements are better opting out.

      A wise IT dept allows users to add additional tools, but with the caveat that the only fix available is a system wipe and restore to original configuration. The Users are responsible for keeping their data backed up.

      Official IT policy at my company is to use leased laptops (at $3k a pop), which run a complex stack of software that reduces the machine to a painfully slow mess.

      When it breaks you have to take it back to the office. In the UK, then wait for a couple of weeks while some idiot prods it, before wiping it and handing it back (without fixing the original problem)

      Management in one area have now rolled out 300 mac laptops for one their department, 13, 15 or 17". If it breaks, you boot from a small usb drive and restore from scratch. If the machine dies, you take it to an apple store. If it's stolen, you buy a new one.

    6. Re:Sigh by isopropanol · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One company I've worked with does it this way:

      Want to use our device? Good, here it is all set up. You can use it to access internal resources.

      Want to use your own? the pptp server is blah, and the exchange server is blah. Have fun, remember to lock your device, and no, we won't tell you how to set it up. You can't get anything confidential unless it's emailed. Emailing anything confidential is grounds for disceplinary action. When you lose your device, call 1-800-xxx-xxxx ASAP.

    7. Re:Sigh by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Signing off or not, where I work there are substantial legal and fiscal penalties for data loss, up to and including dissolution of the company or forfieture of profits, financial penalties in excess of revenue, and loss of business as in no longer permitted to participate in that business despite a 105-year history.

      Or more simply, risk of losing the entire business.

      Your assessment of risk is not the same as your employer's assessment of risk, and likely not very well aligned with reality.

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    8. Re:Sigh by Xeno+man · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Face it, IT's job is to facilitate the rest of the company's performance of the real purposes of the company. IT doesn't make money for the company it enables the money making areas to make the money. Okay, everybody tell me how wrong I am.

      Gladly. It's not IT's job to facilitate and serve the rest of the company. IT doesn't bring in the money but IT manages the expenses that allow the company to make money. Why does everyone forget that it cost money to make money? A contractor needs to buy a hammer to do his job so he buys a hammer. He needs it to do his job. What he doesn't do is buy a hammer every week or every time a new type of hammer is released. Otherwise he would be buying more hammers than making money.
      Lets also say this contractor is so big and busy he hires a hammer department to handle buying and distribution of hammers. Now workers look at the hammer department and an expense and bitch when they don't get a new hammer when ever they demand one, even though the hammer department will free up more time for the workers to make more money and keep expenses down by not facilitating every whim of the workers.

      You're all part of the same team, you all need to work together to get what you need, not just what you want.

    9. Re:Sigh by DocDyson · · Score: 2

      So, in essence, our litigious society and the risk-averse enterprise culture that litigation and regulation foster are the reason why enterprise IT is, in many organizations, in the Dark Ages compared to what a tech-savvy user can do with their personal IT.

    10. Re:Sigh by flappinbooger · · Score: 4, Funny

      I like your hammer analogy and would like to subscribe to your newsletter

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    11. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tech savvy user? You're the type that install a facebook sniffing app on your phone for personal enjoyment, and you're the type that we catch on your phone using Facebook when you should be working.

      If you allow us to lock down your device and face dismissal and confiscation of your device if you are caught using it illegally, sure, go nuts.

      I've seen too many people abuse the right to use personal devices on a corporate network. If ANY company is serious about security, they either:

      A. Don't let personal devices on the network, and provide a proper device.
      B. Let people use their own device, but place it on its own DMZ WLAN and use Citrix.

    12. Re:Sigh by hazem · · Score: 3, Interesting

      User starts using personal device.
      User develops key business practice on device.
      User leaves.
      Now it's MY problem to support the practice. (in my case it's a handheld inventory system- which doesn't work with windows 7, doesn't work on new hand held devices)

      How many times did the user ask for a solution from IT, and when he did, did he get a ridiculous quote that it will take years and cost millions?

      That's been my personal experience - that even the simplest request comes back with such ludicrous numbers that I have no choice but to "roll my own" solution. It shouldn't take a year and $300k to come up with a way to import a set of identical excel sheets with a few thousand rows in them into a database table. Yet that was the quoted solution. So I made my own using VBA and a SQL server in about a week. Also, this is for a "temporary solution" that IT says they'll replace in a year anyway. On top of that, we're only getting "serviced" because we're a high profile group in the company. Most other people are told to buzz off - so they too roll their own.

      Like most of us, your guy had a job to accomplish - he needed a handheld inventory system. Did he ask for help? And if he did, was he told "no", or given an absurd, budget-busting quote for what it would take to implement? If so, he did what he had to. If he didn't, is there already a culture of "don't bother asking, because we won't help"?

      I've been on both sides of the fence. But I can say it's far more frustrating as a business user to be thwarted at every turn by IT than it is to be an IT person trying to support business users. With the right attitude and solid but flexible practices, an IT dept can reliably support what the users need and even leave most of them pretty happy. But with an IT dept that's mired in bureaucracy and really doesn't care what happens, a business user is really left no choice but to go it on their own - which ultimately leaves a mess for IT to figure out in the end. In either role, I prefer being a part of the solution.

    13. Re:Sigh by Vellmont · · Score: 3, Interesting


      IT doesn't make money for the company it enables the money making areas to make the money.

      I wasn't aware there was a difference between "making money" and "enabling to make money". Do the digits on a watch tell me the time, but the electronics merely enable the digits... or does the watch tell me what time it is? Do the digits even exist without the electronics?

      It's always curious to me when people divide up wholes that depend on parts, but then expect the parts to operate independently of the whole.

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    14. Re:Sigh by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One company I've worked with does it this way:

      Want to use our device? Good, here it is all set up.

      That works as long as everybody with a legitimate need can get a device (paid for by the company). In fact, I much prefer it this way, as I can simply leave that device turned off when not required to be on-duty. I don't have to hand out my personal phone number for company business.
      I don't have to compromise MY device by letting some pimply faced kid from IT get his mitts on it.

      Down side: If the company gives you a phone they expect you to answer it 24/7.

      The problem comes in with small companies who simply don't have it in their budget to get a phone or a tablet for each user, yet insist that those users monitor company mail and answer business calls. That pretty much forces the user to surrender their own device to company policy. With 47 applicants standing in line down in HR to fill your job, it gets hard so say NO.

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    15. Re:Sigh by Sprouticus · · Score: 3, Informative

      And when the lawyers come to your dept because of a lawsuit, who will get in trouble for all the missing data? And when someone breaks into your network because of a lost Mac with password to your VPN stored on the primary partition, who will have to clean up the security mess? And when a virus hits those machines (yes, it will happen, even to Mac's) and spreads to the rest of your network, who will get in trouble. When someone loses a super critical file that will cost the company tens of thousands of dollars, who will take th heat?

      BYOD has some advantages, especially if you use a client side hypervisor and keep a 2nd image on the machine which is the'personal' image. Have a pristine virtual machine for work and non pristine for play. Create an isolated guest wireless network for personal devices. I have no problem with these types of models.

      But the cowboy model of IT management will never be smart. is just not ever going to be smart.

    16. Re:Sigh by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Better than, I'm supposed to use this dingly dangly to do work, but the tools I'm allowed to use don't quite do what I need. If I could just use this app I could increase productivity, but IT has the system so locked down that to even think about using a different app is grounds for termination.

      I'm sorry, but I really don't see the problem here. If the tools that your employer don't allow you to do your job, then complain to your boss. If that doesn't resolve things, then you just don't do your job, and you can sit around and collect a paycheck for doing nothing. If anyone complains, you can show them that it's clearly impossible to do your job and it's not your fault. I suspect this doesn't happen very often; instead, it's more likely that you can do your job better if IT didn't lock down the system so much. Guess what? Too bad! Do your job with the tools you're given, and if they hamper your productivity, then so be it. Complain to your boss, and point out that he's getting reduced productivity because of their policies. If they don't change anything, then it's their problem: they're paying more to get the job done, in effect.

      Why are you so worried about productivity that you're willing to risk your job to help your employer save money or be more productive? It's your employer's job to provide you with a productive work environment, and if they're too stupid to do that, they're certainly not going to be smart enough to see the light when you break some rule that's grounds for termination and you try to point out that you did it for their own good. If it bugs you so much, go find a better job, or go start your own company so you don't have to deal with dumb IT policies. As long as you're using their crappy tools and their crappy work environment, they're not going to complain that your progress is too slow. Stop trying to strive for greatness, and be happy with mediocrity. If you want greatness, you're obviously not going to find it or achieve it in that environment, and you're only going to drive yourself nuts trying to change your work environment from mediocre and crappy into a great place to work all by yourself, and you're going to fail anyway.

      Face it, IT's job is to facilitate..... A wise IT dept....

      Face it, your job is to do what you're told and show up every day and use the tools your company provides you, so you can collect a paycheck. That's it. You're not there to change the world or do anything great. You want to do something great, go work for CERN, or some start-up doing something really groundbreaking (start-ups don't have IT departments), or start your own company. You're not going to accomplish anything at a company that has an IT department, because only larger companies have those. So why are you expending so much energy trying to make your employer change its ways? If your company's IT department is not wise, then its upper management probably isn't too bright either, and you're wasting your time trying to effect change from within. Just do what you're told, and collect your paycheck. If a good regular paycheck isn't good enough for you, then go to work for a start-up and prepare to work 16-hour days for crap pay and the hope your stock options will become valuable, or go start your own company where you can do everything your own way.

    17. Re:Sigh by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 2

      Human beings are terrible at admitting and taking responsibility for their own mistakes, especially when that admission could see your arse fired and your family on welfare.

      100% spot-on. Very few people seem to have the maturity to do so.

      OT: This is most evident when driving; where I live there's an increasing tendency for people to run red lights, even quite a few seconds after the lights have changed. Drivers that (understandably) start moving when their light goes green are screamed at and flipped off by the person running the red.

      Perhaps this is a flaw in our collective character that manifests on the road. Our behaviour puts people in danger for absolutely no good reason and is the main reason I'm keen on seeing us move to autonomous vehicles and look forward to less and less humans behind the wheel. Although I love driving (I just squandered my house deposit on a 745i), the roads are a meat grinder and I'll gladly sacrifice my enjoyment if it makes things safer for everyone overall.

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    18. Re:Sigh by Alex+Belits · · Score: 5, Funny

      Citrix

      Fuck you!

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    19. Re:Sigh by SchroedingersCat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Look, "tech-savvy" user usually has no clue about corporate IT. The fact of the matter is that the work done on the company time is subject to licensing, permits, regulations, insurance, bonds, etc. That also covers tools that are used to perform the work. You must use approved tools and technologies. That includes software and computers. Tech-savvy user can use his personal software for the company business while his personal software license explicitly prohibits commercial use. Tech-savvy user can put confidential data on his personal box then it ends up in his personal backup, his personal backup system gets upgraded and the old one is sold on eBay and happy eBay buyer recovers confidential files because media destruction procedures have not been followed. I can give you dozen more scenarios that "tech-savvy" user simply does not think or care about because its is the job of corporate IT.

    20. Re:Sigh by TheGothicGuardian · · Score: 2

      Do the digits on a watch tell me the time, but the electronics merely enable the digits... or does the watch tell me what time it is?

      Does the watch manage your time, or does the watch enable you to manage your time?

    21. Re:Sigh by stewbacca · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm far enough along into my career that I want to be part of the success of my company, not just a worker bee. "Do the job with the tools you are given" is a horrible corporate culture...even for the worker bees.

    22. Re:Sigh by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Very little confidential information goes home on a carpenter's drill bit.

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    23. Re:Sigh by jon3k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with this theory is when users start to rely on unsupported devices to perform critical business processes. eg - "Sorry we didn't get that RFP sent off to the potential client because my $DEVICE is broken, IT wouldn't help me and I don't know how to fix it."

    24. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Shouldn't that be a manager's job?

      Hahaha, uhhh no. Managers are the ones who come to IT and ask us "What is Sally doing on the computer?" You think they know how to pull Websense reports? Of course not, don't be silly. And if the users would stop screwing around on the Internet (so their manager would stop asking me for reports of web activity) I'd have more time to institute BYOMD policies. Funny how that works.

    25. Re:Sigh by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

      When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a skull.

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    26. Re:Sigh by Local+ID10T · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why wouldn't you tell someone how to set it up? Are you too busy on yet another smoke break to be bothered by a simple request such as, "will you please help me setup my iPhone on the Exchange server."? I mean, I understand you are terribly important in your own mind, but god forbid if we ask you to take a few minute to, you know, do your job. Hell, if I knew how to do it, and a coworker asked me to help, I'd help them, even though it really wouldn't be my job (unlike your excuse).

      Because it is not the IT staff's job to assist you in violating company policy.

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    27. Re:Sigh by Dan541 · · Score: 2

      Because IT actually has work to do. Wasting time on setting up a users personal toy is not a good investment for the company especially when other users find out and also want their device set-up as well.

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    28. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When it breaks you have to take it back to the office. In the UK, then wait for a couple of weeks while some idiot prods it, before wiping it and handing it back (without fixing the original problem)

      Hey, I'm one of those "idiots" that wipes your computer and hands it back. How about you look at it from my perspective before calling me names? I realize my experience may not match perfectly, but hear me out and hopefully you'll realize that it probably isn't their fault. I apologize in advance for the rant. It has been a rough month for us and I'm tired of being treated like shit for doing my job.

      I supervise a staff of technicians supporting a campus of about 5000 people, plus anyone within about 50 miles of us. We are tier III local desktop support and we are primarily responsible for hardware issues and imaging for enduser laptops and desktops.

      Oh wait, did I say "staff"? I meant "it's just me and two other guys". Our normal ticket load is around 50-80, cycling through about 15-25 every day. We also generally have at least two or three projects going on at a time (lots of new ones coming up in January, too) and about 400 of our users are considered critical, so any ticket they open means we drop everything to kiss their feet. Obviously, we're multitasking a bit.

      Anyway, for starters, we don't actually have your computer for a couple of weeks. More like a couple of days, most of which is spent waiting for parts to be shipped or for the image to install and update. Role playing a bit, you called your company's general help desk in India and the ticket went through a series of delays and transfers. It was probably closed or left unscheduled multiple times, only being saved by you calling to ask for a status update. Between five minutes and five weeks later (no exaggeration) and probably without any serious troubleshooting, your company's help desk opened up an internal ticket with local support, which is run by a contractor (my company, which hired me as a temp).

      The ticket that eventually comes to us is useless. You know how frustrated you were, trying to explain your problem to tiers I and II? You know how they could barely speak enough English to read from a script and seemed to know less about computers than your grandmother? Yeah, they're the ones who open the tickets that we get. Any communication problem you had, we get that to the second power. We're not even allowed to have any direct contact with them.

      Once we do get your ticket, we generally have two weeks to close it but we can only bill 4 hours of labor. And that 4 hours is not just for the actual repair, either. It includes "admin time": calling you to schedule an appointment, leaving voice mails and sending emails to hunt you down, arguing with you, arguing with your manager, walking across the campus (about 0.5 miles round trip), ordering parts, escalations, research, ticket management and documentation, etc, etc.

      That leaves precious little time to actually figure out what's wrong and fix your computer. Thankfully, software troubleshooting is supposed to be done remotely with Tiers I and II. That is not our job, even if it wasn't done. We're not even trained to do it. Anything we know about the software you use, we had to figure out on our own. Mostly thanks to Google. We are not provided with any documentation and we are not informed of ANYTHING your IT department is doing.

      Our job is hardware and imaging. We are the last resort to getting you up and running, even if that means without your data. We are on a very tight deadline, too. If we don't have a definitive fix figured out, implemented, and tested within about 15-20 minutes of total hands-on time with your computer (that includes hardware diagnostics), we are forced by the SLA to default to a "guaranteed" fix: reimage it if the hardware seems good or ask your company to replace the machine outright.

      A lot of what we do is mandated to us, either through the tickets themselves or policies enforced from way up

  2. Security by lymond01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok...I didn't read the article. But the problem with mobile devices, cloud services, etc, isn't IT's lack of control. It's not the stability of the network. It's the security of the data itself. It's a little tricky to safeguard your patent research documents if they're sitting in your iPhone email. Even more difficult if they are up in Dropbox, unencrypted, where "mistakes happen" and other people can gain access to your account by an oops by the service provider or a sharing oops by yourself.

    Believe me, I'd really rather not be responsible for managing data access. No matter how dumb people are, it's IT that gets blamed for lack of security.

    1. Re:Security by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The biggest security threat from a BYOD . . . is the user. Many have been nurtured with an attitude of, "Hey, it's great! I can share with everybody! The more I share, the better!"

      This unfortunately leads to stuff like open calender entries of confidential meetings, etc. And don't even mention them being lost, stolen, left in bars.

      My work SchtinkPad is so locked down, and monitored by our IT folks, that if I lose it, no one short of the NSA is going to get anything out of it, without a court order.

      IT folks just can't know if their employees are security aware.

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    2. Re:Security by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ok...I didn't read the article. But

      Around here, that's good for +5 insightful. Modded accordingly.

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    3. Re:Security by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      Absolutely. Can't stand the stuff. It's all "no more than one biological mother" this and "no posthumous questionnaire data" that. It would be so much easier if sometimes people just accepted that production databases occasionally contain test tubes of purified DNA with the ID number "gregs sample" and that the laboratory freezer apparently contains a dead cat, but noooooo, I have to write validation suites all day to fix number padding errors created during data entry. Well, the joke's on you! Say hello to "000gregs-0sample"! Ha!

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  3. infoworld spam again by mjwalshe · · Score: 3

    This is the 3rd post from info world about BYOD in the last few days can we give it a rest.

    1. Re:infoworld spam again by Spad · · Score: 2

      This. Seriously. Either stop posting this spam or let us ignore submitters.

      I don't give a flying fuck about infoworld at the best of times, but from now on I will be actively recommending that people avoid them and ignore anything they have to say.

      I don't know who's paying them to write this nonsense (or who at Infoworld has shares in Apple) but it's gone way beyond the usual level of shoddy journalism that I've come to expect from a lot of /. articles.

  4. Speaking as a customer by Compaqt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speaking as a customer of BigCorp X, where there's a battle between the big, bad meanies of IT and the hip, 20-somethings with their fashionable iWhatever du jour which they can't live without, and the 30, 40, and 50-somethings who are trying to mimic them:

    I'd rather your corp have a locked-down corporate environment in which data security is respected and my credit card and other personal information (including purchase history) is safe. Or, as a vendor/partner, the confidential information I had shared with you.

    I'll take the risk that some hipster isn't going to come up with an earth-shattering revelation about which color of gradient fill should be used on the company website because he was shackled to his desk instead of breathing free as a bird sprawled out on the office roof with his iPad.

    Most breakins occur through the weakest link in security, which is exactly what uncontrolled used of these gadgets represent.

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    1. Re:Speaking as a customer by DigiShaman · · Score: 3

      Awhile back, one of my clients (whom I provide outsourced IT support too) employed a few interns. One of them starting pushing for the job is internal IT as a secondary role of his while also wanting to get rid of their SBS server and go pure MS Office 365. I'm not opposed to any of this in principle so long as the owners of the company fully understand what they would be getting themselves into. But they don't. And that's the problem. Pushy interns trying to make a name for themselves all while unnecessary costs, disruptions, and possibly damage in the process. These 20 somethings know jobs are hard to get, and are fighting tooth and nail to shine off any and everyone that stands in their way.

      I guess it's sort of like seagull management. They fly in, crap all over the place, and you're left to clean up the mess. In these cases, it's best to give them enough rope to hang themselves before things get too much worse later on.

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    2. Re:Speaking as a customer by jsrogers · · Score: 4, Informative

      We actually had an incident during the fall but it was not a 20-something hipsters. A few of our mobile users left their work laptops in a company vehicle in a bag in plain sight on the back seat. The bags are purchased by the individuals or their departments and they purchased very obvious computer bags. The car was stolen in a sketchy part of town along with all three bags. It turns out one of them left a car key inside their coat pocket inside the car.. Fortunately for us, all the laptops fully encrypted AES256 with preboot authentication. The laptops were later recovered from the suspect's home along with the vehicle. One of the laptops did log about a dozen unsuccessful log in attempts but nothing further than that.

      Our organization does allow remote access from personally owned computers, but only through Citrix to minimize data loss because nothing is stored locally and all the computing takes place at the Citrix farm in a controlled environment. I think the last I heard, there is Citrix applications available for Apple Ipad.

  5. The purpose of IT... by west · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is to allow users the flexibility to maximize their productivity in ways that they understand...

    and to get fired for negligence when those users, who could not be expected to understand the ramifications of all their actions, cause major damage to the corporation.

  6. Again? by koan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We just beat this guy up a few days ago and maybe he should have to do a year long stint as a sysadmin for a large corporation full of people taking his current point of view before writing again, or maybe he is being controversial on purpose to drive readership.

    That said, he does have some merit in the idea of using your own apps for presentations and such with no requirement on the back end, in this one narrow area I support his thinking as (IMO) it leads away from the standard Microsoft model of Windows + Office and that's a good thing, get weened off the M$ teet.

    An example of this was a project I was given at a local college to replace slide projectors with a photo archive + scanning, My solution was a Linux based platform running Gallery 2 photo software, the opposing solution was a $40k Windows package and that was without the support included.
    So my solution = hardware cost with no licensing charges or other soft cost and a tidy support package that was affordable, the solution that won was of course the $40k package.

    The reasoning? The dean of IT felt that we were teaching people real world skills and that meant using Windows, IT's complaint was "We don't know Linux".

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    1. Re:Again? by Improv · · Score: 2

      The articles are probably written by some angry, semi-clued user who was fired for doing something stupid that made life harder for some sysadmins. Presumably someone thought he'd make a good tech writer.

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      For every problem, there is at least one solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
  7. I Give Up by Mr.+Lwanga · · Score: 2

    Where do I pay money to stop this Infoworld astroturfing?

  8. BYOD? Then BYOS(upport) too by weave · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1) Everyone has iPhones and iPads
    2) They want to print - they demand to print
    3) Find some AirPrint windows driver some guy wrote in his garage and load unknown code into your Windows server
    4) Works well until iOS 5 comes out
    5) Users update to iOS 5 on their own and they can't print and scream at IT.

    That's just one scenario....

    1) User gets great idea of hooking up an Apple TV to a presentation display so they can send their iPAD crap output to it
    2) Scream bloody murder when someone "unauthorized" sends their screen to the display instead.

    Or.....
    1) Buy a bunch of iPADs, spend about 15 minutes unboxing them and turning them on.
    2) Quickly realize what a hassle it is to manually install apps and settings on all of them and they have better things to do
    3) Run to IT to install all the apps instead.

    Or....

    1) Buy a bunch of iPads for a classroom, set up an Apple ID, associate a credit card with it, buy needed apps for it, save password because it's a hassle to keep re-entering it
    2) Scream bloody murder when one of the students decides to go to the app store and buy a few games to play using the instructor's account during class instead of doing classwork.

    The way it should have worked was...

    1) Identify a need (want tablets in a classroom setting that can do x,y,z)
    2) Ask IT to identify a product that meets those needs securely and effectively
    3) Wait for IT to figure out how to manage and deploy said devices (and if that takes too long, work with our management to identify appropriate priorities for us -- i.e., what doesn't get done in meantime

    Bottom line, I understand IT is a service organization ... but I also understand we are overhead to the bottom line and understandably management wants to minimize the expense spent on IT as well as expect us to keep data secure. So we have to do horrible corporate things like try to control costs, and justify expenses towards the goal of improving productivity. I love my iPad. I think it's cool. But it's a personal, entertainment device. Repurposing it for business or educational use takes effort and time to figure out.

    1. Re:BYOD? Then BYOS(upport) too by stewbacca · · Score: 2

      In your last examples, YOU are the one doing it wrong, not the users. You need to be using Profile Manager (OS X Server) and/or iPhone/iPad Configuration Utility.

      Of course, that would require IT to buy, install, and administer these simple tools and we all know that is asking too much.

  9. Fucking GMGruman by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Informative

    This article is written by the same braindead PHB who wrote the "high priests of IT" article. He's trolling Slashdot for cash (page hits). I say the editors should be at least considering blacklisting his submissions at this point. He's one of the biggest submission trolls on Slashdot right now, and the only one doing it for money.

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  10. Why are you linking to his articles? by khasim · · Score: 4, Informative

    He's going on about the same bullshit. But he doesn't interview anyone in IT at any company that is actually IMPLEMENTING his claims.

    I'd argue that Salesforce.com was the first big consumerization push into business, as the SaaS provider actively targeted business users and avoided IT in trying to get its technology adopted.

    This guy cannot even tell the difference between a "device" that is "owned" by an employee of Company X and a service provided to Company X by Company Y.

    Regardless of which innovation was the first to empower individual users technologically, it's clear that consumerization of IT is about user-driven technology of all sorts.

    No. There's a HUGE difference between using a outside company to provide a service and allowing people to bring their own laptops into the company to connect to the company's private data.

    BYOD has the distinction of being so visible and inexorable that it finally forced the consumerization trend into the open, with CIOs and IT publicly confronting an issue that many had been dealing with quietly for a while: Some technologies are truly user-centric and should be left as such.

    And you STILL don't see the difference.

    Why is /. linking to his articles?

    There are five: mobile devices, cloud computing services, social technology, exploratory analytics, and specialty apps (that is, apps for the user's specific job, from presentation software to engineering calculators).

    mobile devices
    cloud computing services
    social technology
    exploratory analytics
    specialty apps

    And STILL not a single interview with an IT VP from any health care company allowing user-owned devices to connect to private data.

    Why is /. still linking to his articles?

  11. Re:i would hate for you to see what really goes by hawguy · · Score: 3, Informative

    think about the HIPPA law. companies that deal with HIPPA actually do take precautions. why? because the HIPPA law says they can get sued for a ton of money.

    there is no HIPPA for credit cards or your purchase history. why? financial companies own congress. they literally own congressmen.

    That's not exactly true. While there's no law governing credit cards, the credit card industry themselves have organized a PCI council that sets security standards that all companies that accept credit cards have to follow to protect the credit card data. Fines can be levied by issuing banks for merchants that fail to achieve and maintain compliance.

  12. Seconded! by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's posting on InfoWorld (not known for insight) and then sending the link to /. because no one reads InfoWorld's website.

    If his articles were so amazing then people would be going to the original source, wouldn't they?

    Instead, he's sending his links to /.

  13. I'm sorry, is there an echo? by TaliesinWI · · Score: 2

    This is like the fifth article this year talking about how users bringing their own devices into a corporate network are inevitable, yadda yadda, and here are some flashy new programs and services to keep it all under control that we happen to have developed and want to sell to you!

    Well you know what wins, pundits? PCI and/or HIPPA.

    We're PCI compliant at my job, and we're damn sure going to stay that way. That means that yes, you can bring in your iWhatever, and oh look, an open guest wireless network! But you know where that guest network goes? The internet. That's it. You can check your corporate E-mail through the public web interface if you'd like. Don't ask us to help you connect it to the corporate network, because we're going to tell you to go pound sand. And you know what? We're perfectly OK with you being pissed off at us because _you're not the one who's ass is in a sling if credit card information leaks out._ We provide you with all the tools you need to get your job done. You get a nice shiny corporate laptop that you can take anywhere with you (because it will help you VPN in and run your virtual desktop back at the office) and you get a rather impressive smartphone so your E-mail and contacts are never out of reach. You can't sit here and tell me you need MORE than that to do your job effectively.

  14. It's a fluff piece but... by bytesex · · Score: 2

    It's a fluff piece about something the author overheard and assumed was trendy, but there is a real problem with BYOD (only then in the inverted sense of the article): people don't mind to be separated from their workstations when they leave work, and they willingly let them be administrated by someone else. But they will scream bloody murder when they are separated from their smartphones or pads, and they will certainly not allow anyone else to administer them.

    Which has led to, for example, soldiers bringing their iPhones on missions, and running where-are-your-buddies software on them, and using that instead of their own blue-force-tracking systems. Obviously, armies are none too content with this, and try to forbid this (won't work), propose alternatives (badly supported/supportable - Apple, Google and Samsung just aren't very big on allowing you try pry into their systems and implement crypto on them, and they bring out new versions every half year), or they just bury their heads in the sand (which is what really happens).

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    Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
  15. It's a difference in perspective. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    User perspective - does this thingie work for me?

    IT perspective - does this thingie work for 1,000 users?
    Does this thingie have a license we can support?
    Does this thingie fit our security model?
    Does this thingie fit our backup/retention model?
    Does this thingie cause any problems with the other systems?
    Does this thingie have a road map for the next 3-5 years?

    Almost any user can handle a single workstation. Maybe even two workstations.

    It requires a different perspective when you move to 1,000 workstations for 1,000 users running 250 different apps in 10 different segments across 3 continents and 5 languages.

    The niche that the company is operating in might not be the same niche that the user sees himself in. Just as there are markets for mass produced goods/services, so is there a market for customized/personalized items.

    I think Gruman is advocating the customized/personalized market niche (everyone at the company uses whatever they want to use / how they want to use it / where they want to use it / etc) when the experience of most of the Slashdot readers is the opposite (thousands of workstations and users with hundreds of apps and downtime that is measured in millions of dollars).

    Car analogy - your motorcycle might have better acceleration, higher top speed and be more maneuverable than the 18-wheeler but they aren't serving the same market. Nor does the motorcycle scale to the 18-wheeler level at anything near the same price point.

    1. Re:It's a difference in perspective. by Stiletto · · Score: 2

      I want to open 5 ports in the company's firewall and run some software as Admin on my workstation? Yea, scrutinize away! I want to install Angry Birds on my company phone to screw around a little during my lunch break? As long as it's OK with my manager, what the hell does IT care? Is Angry Birds going to steal the corporation's payroll records?

      Maybe. Maybe worse. Have you vetted it? Relying on Apple to have vetted it is stupid. And maybe this version is innocuous, but the update carries the malware load.

      Ahh, the classic "have you vetted it" argument. Have you personally "vetted" Citrix? SAP? Enterprise Workplace Productivity Suite 4.0 from Vendor$Co? I suppose every company's IT departments have combed through all of those products' source code to make sure there aren't any backdoors or trojans...

  16. Hardly. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, in essence, our litigious society and the risk-averse enterprise culture that litigation and regulation foster are the reason why enterprise IT is, in many organizations, in the Dark Ages compared to what a tech-savvy user can do with their personal IT.

    What is this "tech-savvy user" you speak of?

    There is a recurring discussion on Slashdot about the wisdom of putting critical infrastructure systems on the 'Web where any "terrorist" living anywhere in the world can attack it at any time.

    That is the key to this discussion.

    The IT department is tasked with keeping the private company data private. One of the reasons for that is so the company does not get sued for "losing" that information (or lose an advantage to a competitor).

    Once the "tech-savvy user" connects his/her "personal IT" to the Internet it can be attacked by anyone, anywhere in the world, at any time. And losing your credit card info just means a problem for you. If the company loses the credit card info of their clients / customers / partners / etc, that's a problem for a LOT of people.

    1. Re:Hardly. by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah, conceit. Tell me, if CEO Joe Blow has access to your confidential docs, and he brings in an infected computer, or sets his laptop up as a WiFi AP, how are you going to prevent a virus or malicious user from having unwanted access? In the virus case, the virus has his credentials and MAC address, and in the laptop-AP scenario, the attacker has his MAC address.

      And Im aware that it is possible to mitigate the second scenario if you have a substantial budget and IT resources, but good luck mitigating the first.

    2. Re:Hardly. by DocDyson · · Score: 3, Informative

      IT security has to be about risk management, not absolute risk avoidance. I've worked in organizations where security paranoia dominated all IT decision-making and it cost them dearly: tons and tons of money spent on IT and all it really did for the end-users was email and the Office suite. The organization had enterprise licenses for Visio, the Adobe Creative Suite, Visual Studio, CASE tools, and all kinds of other goodies, but it effectively took an act of god to get them installed on your machine, so most people just gave up. IT spent all its time resetting people's ridiculously long, impossible to remember, and always-expiring passwords. Right after Windows 7 came out, they finally "upgraded" to Vista. We probably would have been better off with a notepad, a bunch of inter-office mailers, and a nice mechanical pencil.

      The cat, however, is out of the bag. The managers and executives who had a little vision (almost all in the business side, almost none from IT) leave the office, use all this cool tech in their personal lives, and start asking questions:

      "Why does Quicken give me more insight into my personal finances than SAP gives me into my company's finances?"

      "How come I have to send my people to a week of training on SAP anyway? Nobody came to my house and showed me how to use Quicken."

      "How come I've never had a virus infection on my PC at home? All I do is keep the OS and apps updated and run a decent, up-to-date anti-virus package that cost me like $50. We spend a small fortune on anti-virus software at work, IT has gotten so paranoid they've disabled flash drives, and we still get viruses all the time!"

      I understand that losing thousands of credit card numbers is a Bad Thing. But very few end-point devices, users, or applications should have access to that kind of data. Not even the CEO needs it and a sane CEO wouldn't even want it. For that matter, do you REALLY have to be storing credit card numbers?

      Of course, there are other kinds of confidential data. But it would seem to me (as a developer, admittedly not a security guy) that there should be different levels of security for different kinds of data and different applications. Truly confidential data could, for example, require two-factor authentication with a smartcard, biometrics, or whatever. You could require digital signatures and encryption on confidential email. But giving every user a crippled Blackberry to carry around when what they really want to be able to do is see their (unencrypted) work email and calendar on the iPhone or Android device that they love and already own is just not acceptable any more.

      Both sides are going to have meet in the middle. Freedom and responsibility go together. Users are going to have to step up, get educated, take more responsibility for their IT, and exercise the common sense that stops the vast majority of common threats like virus infections. IT is going to have to figure out how to be responsive to the users and add value to the business. Otherwise, it's just going to be bypassed, have its budget cut, and, as an AC below said, the business will just go "to the cloud."

  17. But users don't want to "manage" cloud services by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My problem with cloud services is that the departments that use them don't want to manage them and don't even know what "manage" means.

    When Accounting buys a cloud based purchasing system, they didn't ask for IT input because they couldn't wait for IT to fit it into our schedule (which is pretty much determined by our budget). So now they implement a cloud based company wide purchasing system that everyone is required to use.

    They, however, forgot that someone needs to handle password resets. They don't want to give the Helpdesk administrative access because there's no way in the to let them reset passwords without also letting them alter approval levels and see all purchase orders. So every request for a password reset goes to an accounting clerk... who is always too busy to handle them.

    People complain that they have to remember a separate password for the system - Accounting didn't even take into account our request to use a system that can federate with our AD servers to let everyone use their AD password to sign on.

    HR asks IT why ex-employee XXX still has access to the system after leaving the company - we say "Accounting automatically gets CC'ed on termination notices, they apparently aren't acting on them".

    The CFO asks us how we can feed purchasing data into the BI system, we tell them "Who knows, we've asked for a data API 6 months ago and are still waiting for the beta release"

    The purchasing system goes down for unscheduled maintenance during an financial audit, Finance asks us why we don't have a back up of the purchase data so we can run reports. What, they ask, would happen if that company went out of business!? We say "Hey, you sit across from Accounting, they chose the system and ignored our request to have data extracts stored here"

    The CFO says "Hey, this system isn't quite working out - we want to move the data to a new service. Figure it out".

    So while departments *want* cloud hosted solutions, they really don't want to manage them - they want something that just "works", but they don't often have a clear idea of "works" means. There's a reason why IT does a requirements analysis, RFP, and vendor evaluation before making a purchase instead of buying a system just because "When I worked at Company XYZ, we used this product and it worked pretty well".

  18. Slightly different phrasing. by khasim · · Score: 4, Informative

    The purpose of corporate IT is to ...
    allow company approved people to
    access company data
    using company approved apps
    on company approved hardware
    at company approved locations
    with company mandated security methods
    on the company approved IT budget and staffing level
    to keep the company in business and out of court.

    If you want different apps - build a business case for them.
    If you want different hardware - build a business case for it.
    If you want different access - build a business case for it.
    If you want different X - build a business case for X.

  19. nice in theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know how many times I have heard: "We know it is not our policy to make you support/fix this. However, your boss is requiring you to make an exception this time, since we have some important time-sensitive thing going on."

    Mutually-agreed-upon responsibility limits don't work when upper management lacks the discipline to keep up their end of the agreement.

    1. Re:nice in theory by Geminii · · Score: 2

      Mutually-agreed-upon responsibility limits don't work when upper management lacks the discipline to keep up their end of the agreement.

      This applies to everything, though.

    2. Re:nice in theory by speculatrix · · Score: 2

      +1

      I've had the MD say that we can lock down iphones and ipads used by sales staff etc, e.g. to require secure passwords, to auto-lock, to self erase on sufficient wrong passwords. But we are not to do it on his devices because he doesn't want to be inconvenience! Senior staff (junior director level) pick up on that and demand to have non-self-locking devices and to be allowed to have trivial lock codes as well.

      They also want to be able to use their own ipads/iphones for corporate use and want us to provide personal support for their own systems, even to the point of asking someone to visit their home to fix their wifi so they can work from home :-(

      A laptop computer which is more than adequate for a sales person costs less than a weeks salary, so to be honest, BYOD is not about saving money, it's about pandering to staff who want to be able to goof around on the internet all day and be immune to inspection of their device (browser history etc) in case of abuse. IT staff can't ensure they have backups, anti-virus, content control etc. If someone has confidential information on their own computer, when they leave you can't require it to be wiped.

      My suspicion is this. Corporates do not, generally, buy Mac. You can't get Apple to come on site to fix them. There's no discounting which makes the bean counters feel happy. There's no corporate accessory stuff like docking bays. You don't get to do all the centralised lock-down like you can with Windows policy servers. The only way you get a Mac into such a work place is to smuggle it in through the back door, using a BYOD policy. However, the suits now like their iPads and so are forcing the IT departments to relax their policies.

  20. IT should not be the "Department of No" by JDG1980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a wise man once said, with great power comes great responsibility.

    If we want the power to say "No" to users who are doing unsecure things, we have the corresponding responsibility to provide an easy-to-use substitute in a reasonable time frame.

    Once everyone else starts seeing IT as "the department of no," or as unapproachable "high priests" (as a previous article said), the clock is ticking. Other employees now perceive IT as the enemy and will try to work around us by whatever means they can. And if these enemies include upper management, the outsourcing of the IT department won't be far behind.

    I work as a Database/Web Administrator in a small (6-person) IT department in a public library system. Until about 6 months ago, I was doing general IT support, and still do from time to time; we're not hung up on formal job descriptions too much with a department this small. Do we sometimes advise people not to do things for security reasons? Yes. We've had to prohibit a handful of specific bad practices (generic logins) because of PCI compliance. But this is not the primary focus of our work. The primary focus of our work is helping other people to do their work more effectively. And this means providing solutions, not withholding them. It means if someone wants to do something insecure, we try to find out WHY they want to do it, and come up with a way to make things as convenient for them as possible. I have personally written multiple scripts to make peoples' jobs easier. (Example: on one occasion, I noticed that staff were manually running circulation totals from self-check units each morning. So I offered to automate this process, which saves them 5-10 minutes a day.) Because everyone knows us, and knows we will do what we can to help them, we have the credibility to draw the line where it matters. Many IT departments have forfeited this credibility, or never had it in the first place. IT should be an important part of the business, a strategic partner with a voice at the table - not a bunch of antisocial BOFHs in the back room.

  21. IT as ISP by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have worked for, or consulted for, many tech companies. The best had IT departments that saw themselves as ISPs. They made the assumption that the individuals were going to bring in viruses, dud devices, etc and built their network much like the cable company built theirs bulletproof. Connections to internal services were made in the same way as over the Internet secure as possible. Most workers were handed a workstation assembled by IT and it just worked. But if people had special needs or devices either they obtained their own bits or got help from IT obtaining special bits. At the time things like Macs didn't get much support as the IT would claim that they knew little about them. It worked well. Interestingly enough the head of IT usually had some bastard collection of old bits as his personal machine.

    The worst had a convoluted proxy system, a wonky DMZ setup, Novell shared drives that nobody used, and the oddest selection of software that was mandatory on all machines; machines that they picked largely for their compatibility to Novell. Needless to say the head of this IT department had the best damn desktop machine in the company. Plus the best laptop that money could buy. Where programmers had trouble getting machines that could barely run the software they were building let alone a modern IDE.

    The best company didn't trust their employees at all and designed their system around this. The worst company pretended that they could design a system where they could pretend to trust their employees.

    The layers of stupid in the bad company were many. One good example was the dedicated email machine had a raid with a few terabytes of space. Yet in a 100 person company employees were limited to 3meg attachments (two floppies) and 10meg email account total. Plus many attachment extensions were banned such as .zip files.

    I am willing to bet that the bad IT company cost 3 or more times as much to run.

  22. Also why should they know how? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the company doesn't support your device, if the IT folks have no experience with it, why would they know how to fix it? Like take iPhones. None of us IT types at work have one. We all have either Android phones, or regular ole' dumb phones. I personally have no experience with an iPhone past having briefly played with one that a friend owns.

    So, why should I help you make yours work? If you ask me to do that, what you are saying is "I want you to take the time and do the research I am too lazy to do to figure out how to operate this, and then teach me." Why is that my job? How about you do it yourself.

    The answer "But then you know how to support it in the future," isn't valid either. Ok that's true for your toy, but not for the next person's different toy.

    What it comes down to is there are way too many things out there for a person to be good with every one. All IT groups will have a set list of operating systems, programs, devices, etc that they support. They'll be responsible for knowing how to do that. You can't then ask them to just turn that in to an unlimited set of anything that comes out, and expect it not to impact productivity.

    1. Re:Also why should they know how? by stewbacca · · Score: 2

      I can configure my iPhone for email. If you work in IT, I would expect you to have the technological skills of the average 12-year old, at least, but I'll do it myself anyway. But I need the Exchange Server info from the IT folks. And yeah, as you all have perfectly demonstrated, that's not going to happen. Can't be chipping away at your perceived power now can we?

  23. It's the expectation by dbIII · · Score: 2

    One user brought in a couple of different models of two way radios (if they are still called that) from home and expected me to set both models up on some sort of private channel with zero documentation to look at. I haven't even touched anything similar since 1987.
    The idea seems to be if it has some sort of electronics the IT guy will know what to do and if they don't they have the entire day to work on it even if it's got nothing to do with the workplace.
    The tough thing is if you don't play along and at least attempt to solve their personal electronic problems they will be reluctant to come to you with something that is really work related and may cost jobs if it isn't addressed. In IT people are in the role where they can be sacked because a user didn't inform them of a major problem in time for them to fix it while the user gets to keep their job. If they hate you for cutting their net access communication gets a lot harder and nasty surprises increase.

  24. Our information is on a website by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    We have everything posted for e-mail, VPN, all that shit, and we'll happily show people to it. Some people are happy with that. Others want us to hold their hand through every little thing. Still others don't want us to touch their stuff, until they fuck it up, and then they want us to fix it, but then back to no access.

    Our problem is not with people wanting to use their own devices, it is with them wanting us to support them. They don't seem to understand if you want to own and administer the device, that means you are responsible for it. That means you deal with it. You don't get to do things your way but demand IT bail you out when you fuck up or get out of your league.

    The "12 year old" comment shows the problem well. You simultaneously claim something is really simple, yet are petulant that someone won't do it for you. That is rather stupid.

    As I said where I work, the servers are public info. We'll tell you what all the servers are and how to get at them. However if you want to bring in your own toy, it is your job to make it work. So I'll tell you what servers you can SSH to, if you need SSH (actually I'll show you the site that lists them). What I won't do is find you an SSH app, configure your iTunes account, download it for you, configure it, and hold your hand as you figure out how SSH from your iPad.

    I'd be willing to provide that level of support, if the department was willing to hire sufficient staff to allow for that. However so long as I have tons of shit to do with the equipment we do own, I am not going to spend time on your stuff.