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Malicious QR Code Use On the Rise

New submitter EliSowash writes "Malware developers are increasingly using QR Codes as an attack vector. 'The big problem is that the QR code to a human being is nothing more than "that little square with a bunch of strange blocks in it." There's no way to tell what is behind that QR code.' The advice we've always given to the computer user community is 'don't click a link in an email if you don't know who it's from or where it goes' — so how do we protect unsuspecting users from QR codes, where you can't see the destination at all?"

234 comments

  1. Just like with TinyURL... by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Use a service that will decode it for you. With TinyURL you are really in a bind as you must trust TinyURL itself to discover where the link goes. At least with QR the code can be decoded locally, with software that you trust.

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    1. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by SQLGuru · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've never used a QR code reader that auto-navigated to a link. The ones I use will display the content/data....and if it's a URL, will show the URL as a hyperlink. It's up to me to click it. This includes the QR code reader built on my phone.

      I don't think I would want a reader that worked any other way. Especially considering that the QR code can contain more than just a link.

    2. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by bmo · · Score: 5, Informative

      >With TinyURL you are really in a bind as you must trust TinyURL itself to discover where the link goes.

      That is why God made preview.tinyurl.com

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    3. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by jhoegl · · Score: 5, Funny

      I made no such thing mere mortal!

    4. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by GIL_Dude · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For Chrome users, the LinkPeelr extension works well to pre-decode links for you in a little tooltip window. I've been using it for quite some time and it seems to work pretty well. Saves your from many a rickrolling or goase link. Although I guess when people bounce them through several layers of link shortener it doesn't work for that.

    5. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Fez · · Score: 5, Informative

      Which is where LongURL comes in handy, it can show you every redirect taken and what the final destination of a short link is, including when they try to be sneaky and redirect after the "bad" page to something like google.

    6. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but having to go to another site to decode a link is a further complication that users will rarely do, even if it's 'mandatory'.
      Now if you use a QRcode that's encoded with a TinyURL you are obfuscating even more, so you'd have to decode the QR, then the tiny. Yeah, nobody is going to do that except the totally paranoid or anal-retentive.

      On the otherhand, if someone made a QRcode Reader that automatically decoded the URL, and the TinyURL if present, to give you the final URL it actually goes to before you 'accept', now that would be cool and useful. You're users might even look at it. Heck, as long as you're going that far, might as well include some whois and blacklists to improve safety, but then some people will start whining about lazy users, big brother software, or maybe just bloatware...
      You'll never please everyone, so try to find a workable balance that most people will use.

    7. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I believe you meant http://tinyurl.com/preview.php
      You are welcome

    8. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by allo · · Score: 1

      yeah, now the hyperlink in your reader says bit.ly/bla. What now?

    9. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by allo · · Score: 2

      tinyurl.com/bla -> preview.tinyurl.com/bla. Much easier, because it even works without cookies

    10. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Surt · · Score: 1

      You install firefox mobile and an expander?

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    11. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by dotancohen · · Score: 2

      That is why God made preview.tinyurl.com

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      1) That wasn't God, that was a computer programmer.

      2) You still have to trust TinyURL. If TinyURL is compromised or malicious, then I am at risk or blocked. TinyURL is a US company, so it someone uses a TinyURL to point to a Syrian website, I might not be able to get through. Likewise, if TinyURL itself is hacked, I am vulnerable.

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    12. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      >With TinyURL you are really in a bind as you must trust TinyURL itself to discover where the link goes.

      That is why God made preview.tinyurl.com

      So your God will ensure people with malicious intent will always use a URL shortener with a preview function? Sounds like a nice guy.

    13. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno, maybe he'll write a Firefox extension that intercepts HTTP 3xx and <meta http-equiv="refresh"> redirects and display a prompt before following the redirect.

    14. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Supposed the website you were trying to access was hacked?

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    15. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by icebraining · · Score: 1

      My personal God is a computer programmer, you insensitive clod!

      (If you don't trust TinyURL, then don't even load the preview. The point is that a QRCode by itself shouldn't be able to do anything, since you can always see the URL it points to, at least with any decent reader)

    16. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Supposed the website you were trying to access was hacked?

      Exactly. Under the understanding that all web services are vulnerable, using TinyURL just doubled the chances that the user will be exposed to an attack vector.

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    17. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, every time I have to give the advice to be careful what you click on, I weep a little, partly because I know it's futile advice and partly because it's even necessary. Where did we go wrong that we ended up with software so fragile that you can't safely open just any document?

    18. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      My personal God is a computer programmer, you insensitive clod!

      Jesus built my car. It's a love affair. Mainly Jesus, and my hot rod.

      If you don't trust TinyURL, then don't even load the preview. The point is that a QRCode by itself shouldn't be able to do anything, since you can always see the URL it points to, at least with any decent reader

      That is exactly my point. Always look at the URL before going any further.

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    19. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by SQLGuru · · Score: 2
    20. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then I don't bother with it. Those URL shortening services are completely worthless. I mean, what is the point? It's not like my computer or phone has a problem with long URLs. I also can't remember the last time someone tried to tell me a URL in person or on the phone. They would just email, IM or SMS me a link.

    21. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Where did we go wrong that we ended up with software so fragile that you can't safely open just any document?

      Doctors need degrees to practice. Lawyers need degrees to practice. Mechanical and Electrical engineers need degrees to practice. But anyone can write software.

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    22. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 1

      Jesus built my car. It's a love affair. Mainly Jesus, and my hot rod.

      I bet. So you must be intimately aware that he was an architect previous to his career as a profit...and that Jerry Lee Lewis is the devil...btw

    23. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by bmo · · Score: 2

      I don't know what, exactly, your fixation is on me, but I am flattered that I have my own little pet stalker on Slashdot.

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    24. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by bmo · · Score: 1

      >using TinyURL just doubled the chances that the user will be exposed to an attack vector.

      I'm calling bullshit. I'm not saying that preview.tinyurl.com is bulletproof, but over the years they have demonstrated competence in keeping the bad people out of their servers.

      Yes they are a target.

      But claiming that they cannot be trusted because of some theoretical threat means that you have an agenda bordering on libel. You owe them an apology, sir.

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    25. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Here's what I don't get, maybe someone can tell me what i missed: What EXACTLY do you want or need the QR codes for anyway? Is there someone going "ZOFG I must go to a company's bullshit PR website NOW dammit!"? I mean with every damned smartphone on the planet having Google what is the point? Hell at my local Wally world they even have a couple of display units hooked up to Google so if they don't know the answer to a question they'll help you Google the damned answer and at least that way you'll get an honest answer and not PR BS like you get on corp websites.

      So maybe its just me but I haven't ever seen anything on a corp website I'd frankly believe, if they told me it was raining i'd want a second opinion, so to me these QR codes make about as much sense as the Cuecat. If you need to know about a product why not just Google the damned thing or check the reviews on Amazon? What benefit does this QR code stuff give you that negates the risks in TFA AND the likelihood that everything you read will be spin?

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    26. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Cruciform · · Score: 1

      While you two go on about that I'll just be over here ding a dang donging my dang a long ling long.

    27. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Here, I'll send you a QR code with Dr. Emmett Brown's street address.

    28. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by EvilIdler · · Score: 2

      QR codes are a handy way to grab some URL for a site quickly rather than typing it into your phone, or taking a picture of the URL. I've seen them at the local game stores for information on new and upcoming games. Some people might not have Internet access right then and there - me included. I bring an iPod touch everywhere, QR app ready. It's especially nice when you forget the name of the product the moment you walk out the door :)

      I guess they're handy for Android software installation, too. Buy stuff, get QR image, snap it with the device, APK link shows up. At least in theory it's simpler than plugging it into a computer and adding an extra upload step.

      Like other posters I've never seen a QR reader app which automatically navigates to a site.

    29. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by slapout · · Score: 2

      I have a Firefox extension installed that will popup a qr code of the current url. I can then scan it with my phone to pull that website up on my phone.

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    30. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by slapout · · Score: 1

      1) That wasn't God, that was a computer programmer.

      God made the computer programmer

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    31. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's right, and you're retarded. Stop writing "BMO" below each of your posts. It's annoying, we can already SEE your username above your post, if we even care about it. Haven't you noticed that you're the ONLY person on Slashdot that does this? Knock it off.

      Also, don't flatter yourself that you're important enough to have a stalker.

    32. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      God made the computer programmer

      So if my daughter draws a tree, then _I_ drew the tree?

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    33. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      I am not implying that TinyURL are more vulnerable than anybody else. I am expressing the fact that all web services are vulnerable and adding more links to the chain make it only more fragile.

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    34. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by ulski · · Score: 1

      the next thing would be that they start making a QR codes that contains a TinyURLs

    35. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Where did we go wrong that we ended up with software so fragile that you can't safely open just any document?

      When we decided that, instead of web sites providing data, they should provide complex executable code. From the late '90s, there were two groups pushing the web in different directions. The group led by Tim Berners-Lee and the W3C wanted to define rich semantic markup languages so that different services could provide data that could then be interpreted in different ways by the client. The group backed by Google and others wanted to use the web as a deployment mechanism for huge blobs of mixed code and data that would be executed on the client and display the data as the author, not the reader, wanted.

      The second approach intrinsically provides a much larger attack surface. Guess which one won.

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    36. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Jesus I know we humans are getting lazy but...damned just....damn. is it REALLY that hard to just take a picture of the box and type it into Google later? Maybe i'm spoiled because i have a GF that can text faster than i can type on a full size keyboard so if I want something quick I just point at the box and say 'Honey do your thing" and watch the thumbs fly.

      But the thing i don't get is why would you want to go to a corporate website? i mean according to the corporate website Kane&Lynch II is a "gritty urban drama with edge of your seat action!" and Duke Nukem Forever is a "Sassy and irreverent action fest with the classic one liners you love!" which of course is bullshit so deep you could fertilize the Sahara with it. Maybe its just me, I don't know, but frankly I've never seen a damned thing on a corporate website that wasn't completely useless marketing drone speak. I mean if all I wanted to do was hear some huckster try to sell me a product that is what commercials are for and I try to avoid those like STDs. Me I'd just rather Google or Amazon the thing and read some first hand exp with the product in question to find out if its a "gritty urban drama with edge of your seat action!" or "ZOMFG my eyes! The goggles they do nothing!" but maybe I'm just weird that way.

      BTW I actually bought K&L II for a dollar figuring i could MST3K it and guess what? it isn't even worth a dollar for MST laughs. For MST ragging I recommend "You are empty" which has 30 foot mutant attack chickens and one of the bad guys is an old coot that goes "oooga booga!" while shooting at you with a double barrel, now THAT is funny!

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    37. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      QR codes are useful for business. For example, I have a QR code for my web site on the back of my business card in the event that a potential client wants to quickly use their phone to check out what kind of design services I can provide. The URL is also printed on the front of the card but when it comes to dealing with potential clients, you want to make things as easy and automatic as possible, therefore the QR code. It leaves a good first impression.

    38. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      Twitter and SMS have a character limit. Well, the SMS character limit has been gotten around by simply chaining the messages together, but still. Less characters is better there.

      Also, a teacher in our school uses bit.ly in his slides if he wants us to navigate to a very specific link.

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    39. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh, that's nothing special. Just troll APK while "forgetting" to check the "Post Anonymously" checkbox.

    40. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by bmo · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree that the longer the chain you make, the more vulnerable the chain is.

      I am, however, questioning your vociferousness on the subject and the impression that it gives because of the way you've worded things.

      It is rather similar to how some people read an alert on CERT about a vulnerability, hop up and down about it and point at the OS involved (linux, osx, windows, what have you) and call it insecure, totally ignoring the fact that not all vulnerabilities are equal in severity and a vulnerability does not equal an exploit. It is a problem of ignoring scale.

      I believe that you have ignored the scale of the risk and blown it up to more than what is justified. Reliability builds trust. Tinyurl.com has been very reliable over the years, so they have earned that trust. If Tinyurl had issues over the years with uptime and whatnot, showing a lack of skill in administration, I would agree with you more, but they haven't, and I don't.

      YMMV.

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    41. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 1

      QR Codes also don't HAVE to contain a link to a website - any arbitrary text (including phone numbers, plain text messages, etc) can be encoded in it.

    42. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      160 characters is plenty for pretty much any URL. If it's not enough, it can be sent via MMS or the aforementioned IM and email.

      I would argue that your teacher/school is living in the past. Why doesn't he just paste the URLs to a classroom server that the students can access?

    43. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      Because that would complicate things for the students, unless he sets up a HTTP server containing a web page containing the link, which the students would still need to navigate to first. You gotta go with what's effective.

      Also, he actually gives his entire class using a tablet computer, so I wouldn't say he's living in the past. It's effecive, too.

      Also, 160 characters is not nearly long enough for a lot of URLs. Especially when you're talking about links to blog posts containing the entire article name, or a link to a subpage on a subsite on (our school's crappy) Sharepoint site.

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    44. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tinyurl was not well-thought out at first, nor are many of the url shortening services.. I dont want obscure links that forward me to ???

      thankfully, someone of them are offering domain previews or a "you're being redirected to..." page, which alleviates some of the concern,

      I don't know why the preview isnt the default or only option. a short url is not worth the risk of not knowing what the fuck you're really clicking into.

    45. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by bmo · · Score: 1

      Holy crap.

      First off, Tinyurl was one of the first, if not the first url shortening service. If it was not thought out well at first, it's because nobody had done it before.

      Secondly, when you go to Tinyurl, they give you two versions of the shortened url. One with preview.tinyurl.com and the other one just tinyurl.com. It is up to the person posting the shortened url whether to pick the preview one or not. You can't blame tinyurl for this. Blame the poster.

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    46. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah. its not about blame; we're discussing the downside of what basically amounts to a url-obfuscation service. theres no reason for a non-preview version to exist.

      just because they did it first, doesn't mean they did it right and it wasnt until they were called out that they even offered the preview

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_shortening#Privacy_and_security /thread

    47. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Complicate things? I'm sorry, but if the students can't handle having an extra bookmark to a class server, then they probably aren't capable of grasping whatever subject matter is being taught in that class.

      160 characters is plenty for most URLs in the real world and it's extremely rare to come across a URL that needs more than that. You also conveniently sidestep the fact that all phones have MMS, IM and email.

    48. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      The occasional simple, short bit.ly URL is all he needs, and it's usually the same one, so people will already have bookmarked it.

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    49. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by cela0811 · · Score: 1

      And if your daughter has sex with some guy...

    50. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by allo · · Score: 1

      yeah, +, preview., etc. But the problem is, you need to learn the way to do it of each new shortener, which comes up.

    51. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 1

      I'm just going to throw this out there:

      Your LP collection is graced by some dude named Ogre.

    52. Re:Just like with TinyURL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My solution is even easier: I don't use Twitter, and anyone who posts a shortened link on a forum where a shortened link is perfectly unnecessary gets (a) ignored; (b) told that they're a cunt; or (c) replied to with the un-shortened link so that everyone else can click it without worrying that it's probably Goatse.

  2. Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll?

    1. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by g0bshiTe · · Score: 5, Funny

      I do, but I'm never gonna give it up.

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    2. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google has an API to create one on the fly. Use this base URL and append any URL you want to the end and you've got a QR code.

      https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=qr&chs=200x200&chl=

      Just add a youtube link to the video and viola.

    3. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by jez9999 · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm never gonna let it down.

    4. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://www.waxrat.com/rr.png

    5. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I just had a great idea for a prank on local billboard advertisements that have QR codes.

    6. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll?

      Like this?: Rick Roll

    7. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Nadaka · · Score: 1, Funny

      And hurt you.

    8. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by smart_ass · · Score: 2

      Google Chrome has an extension to create QR Codes from any link on a page.

      With this I set one of my Avatars as a QR code that takes you to "Let me Google that for you" and then searches:

            Curiosity killed the cat

      Hehehe

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    9. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by AftanGustur · · Score: 1

      Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll?

      Here you go, sir!/A?

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    10. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CCCCCCOMBO BREAKER!

    11. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by cvtan · · Score: 0

      or dessert you.

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    12. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That reminds me, I really want to meat Rick.

    13. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ./make !cry

    14. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cannibal!

    15. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by gfolkert · · Score: 1

      That reminds me, I really want to meat Rick.

      You sick perverse bastard!

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    16. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're no strangers to love
      You know the rules and so do I
      A full commitment's what I'm thinking of
      You wouldn't get this from any other guy

      I just want to tell you how I'm feeling
      Gotta make you understand

      [Chorus:]
      Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
      Never gonna run around and desert you
      Never gonna make you cry, never gonna say goodbye
      Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

      We've known each other for so long
      Your heart's been aching but you're too shy to say it
      Inside we both know what's been going on
      We know the game and we're gonna play it

      And if you ask me how I'm feeling
      Don't tell me you're too blind to see

      [Chorus x2]

      (Ooh give you up)
      (Ooh give you up)
      (Ooh) Never gonna give, never gonna give (give you up)
      (Ooh) Never gonna give, never gonna give (give you up)

      We've known each other for so long
      Your heart's been aching but you're too shy to say it
      Inside we both know what's been going on
      We know the game and we're gonna play it

      I just want to tell you how I'm feeling
      Gotta make you understand

      [Chorus]

    17. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be more original.

      Google 2girls1cup! I dare ya!

    18. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a let down..

    19. Re:Does anyone have a QR code to a Rick Roll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      g0bshiTe and Nadaka are the same person.

      (I can haz +5, Insightful?)

  3. Some scan apps can show URL and ask first by DaphneDiane · · Score: 5, Informative

    The QR scanner app that I use has an option to show the URL before going to it which seems like a good approach, though it's not on by default. Seems like having the a such an option be the default would be a good first step, perhaps with a straight through exception for sites already visited.

    1. Re:Some scan apps can show URL and ask first by blackraven14250 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The one on Android marketplace (also the particular one that many apps are linked into) does show the link by default, but that still doesn't necessarily help the person using the scanner, who may be completely clueless that they're about to head into a random foreign domain.

    2. Re:Some scan apps can show URL and ask first by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      If they see a link that leads to http://vseafv.yrsfdfcvb.com/gsdfrgrdcgbgxdrbg most of the dumb morans are gonna go to it anyway, out of curiosity.

    3. Re:Some scan apps can show URL and ask first by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sure, the morans will click the links but what about the morons?

    4. Re:Some scan apps can show URL and ask first by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Potential whoosh detected....

    5. Re:Some scan apps can show URL and ask first by allo · · Score: 1

      you're tempting me to register yrsfdfcvb.com.

    6. Re:Some scan apps can show URL and ask first by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 2

      here's the thing, I scanned a QR from the back of a package of starbucks coffee beans today. the link? something like http://vjghhtv.com/qwertvmlghjg. took me to a special mobile version of starbucks site. If Legit QR codes are using garglemesh URL's, people are just going to click through, even with preview, because they always do.

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  4. The same way tinyurl does it by smileygladhands · · Score: 1

    Provide a preview of what is behind it before actually sending off to the url.

  5. Show the link first? by Victor_0x53h · · Score: 1

    When a QR code is scanned, display the link with an option to follow or cancel? Now we're in the same situation as any other link presented to someone.

    1. Re:Show the link first? by QuasiSteve · · Score: 2

      Which doesn't help all that much if the URL itself is from some link shortening service (so you still don't know what it is) - and the URL shortened is... to another link shortening service (so the first URL shortening service's preview of the page is just that of the other service).

      Of course at that point it's probably wise not to follow the link anyway.

    2. Re:Show the link first? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      True, ultimately the solution to this is going to involve ceasing the abuse of URLs. They were never intended to contain so much session data and such as they do now. The fact that I often times can't read the URL is a pretty clear indication that there are troubles ahead.

    3. Re:Show the link first? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      That's because lazy coders put parameters as part of their URLs instead of using something like mod_rewrite to use real, human-readable paths.

      http://www.website.com/?page=423&l=en
      vs
      http://www.website.com/en/products/

  6. My phone shows the destination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Google goggles and QR scanner on Android both show the destination.

  7. Just like evil hyperlinks by LikwidCirkel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This just in:
    Clicking a hyperlink may result in being directed to a malicious site.

    Considering 99% of uses don't check the URL of hyperlinks, I'm not sure how QR codes are any different... they're just physical hyperlinks for camera phones.

    1. Re:Just like evil hyperlinks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe so, but for those of us who *do* check urls before we blindly visit them, it would be nice for something similar in QR code readers.

    2. Re:Just like evil hyperlinks by gstrickler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We should all sue BT, after all, they claim they invented the hyperlink, therefore, they should be liable for the damages of malicious hyperlinks. My theory is based upon the premise that the most effective way to fight abuse of the legal system is to use it against the abusers thereby costing them billions of dollars. Call it an "economic sanction".

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    3. Re:Just like evil hyperlinks by Macthorpe · · Score: 1

      QR Droid (and I think Google Goggles) do show you the URL before you go there, at least on my Sensation.

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    4. Re:Just like evil hyperlinks by guises · · Score: 1

      Clicking a hyperlink may result in being directed to a malicious site.

      Is this still a problem? Unless I was still using Internet Explorer 6 or whatever, I don't see why I'd be afraid of a website. Running an unknown executable, yes. Links that contain personal information in the URL, yes, though those wouldn't be in an email or QR code. But I don't see what there is to worry about here.

    5. Re:Just like evil hyperlinks by crymeph0 · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, this is no different than before - if you see a URL spray-painted on the side of a building, would you type it in without up-to-date antivirus?

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    6. Re:Just like evil hyperlinks by Surt · · Score: 1

      New vulnerabilities for IE9 show up pretty much weekly. If you're browsing in the month-long vulnerability window you can get arbitrary code execution happening on your system.

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    7. Re:Just like evil hyperlinks by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      In other news: some people have such crappy security that they are actually *afraid* of going to random links.

  8. Simple enough... by pla · · Score: 0

    Simple - We make the standard expected behavior for any legitimate QR code reading app, that it show the contents of the barcode (and preferably certify it as kosher via Google or some AV vendor) BEFORE automatically sending you off to goatse.

    Your app doesn't do that? MALWARE. The address doesn't verify as safe? Enter at your own risk.

    1. Re:Simple enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We make the standard expected behavior for any legitimate QR code reading app [...] Your app doesn't do that? MALWARE.

      Are you insinuating that people are going to write illegitimate QR code readers that don't display the URL specifically in the hope that someone will use one of them to scan a link to a malicious web page, as opposed to just putting the payload in the reader app itself?

  9. Not a very new problem. by cmv1087 · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://bit.ly/rCBPp7 You don't know where that link goes until you click it. So, what do you do?

    1. Re:Not a very new problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people don't click on URL-shortened names for that reason. It bewilders me why people even use them any more: it vastly reduces your audience, because people aren't (generally) dumb enough to click on unknown URLs.

      I didn't click on yours, for example.

    2. Re:Not a very new problem. by Victor_0x53h · · Score: 5, Informative

      Cheat by adding a + to the end (you got 13 people as of now :^)

    3. Re:Not a very new problem. by Cobol+God · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://bit.ly/rCBPp7 You don't know where that link goes until you click it. So, what do you do?

      https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bitly-preview/

      Shows full URL. Rule 1 don't click on URLs to unknown websites ESPECIALLY at work! :)

    4. Re:Not a very new problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I use http://www.shadyurl.com/ instead.

    5. Re:Not a very new problem. by krinderlin · · Score: 1

      32 as of now. 95% have mobile referrers...the exact target of QR codes. Doesn't bode well for telling anyone to think about the content.

      On the other hand: thanks! Does that work for most shorteners or is bit.ly just cool like that?

    6. Re:Not a very new problem. by Victor_0x53h · · Score: 1

      I only know of it working for bit.ly. I'm sure others have a similar feature but probably accessed in a different way.

    7. Re:Not a very new problem. by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

      I sort of knew about the + but I forgot. I found http://bit.ly/vB0EIH with google.
      Probably there are identical services for other shorteners.

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    8. Re:Not a very new problem. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Rule 1 don't click on URLs to unknown websites ESPECIALLY at work! :)

      We have this woman at work that does that. One day, I happened to be helping her with something. She was googling around, and the second link was www.foo.bar.cn. It was kinda what she was looking for, and before I could say 'No', she clicked it. It was blocked by the proxy.

      "Um...you probably don't want to go there."
      'Why not?'
      "It's some random site in China"
      'How do you know?'
      "ummm...the CN at the end = China"
      'Oh, I never pay attention to that'
      "Well, seeing as you're on a DoD computer and network, you might want to start paying attention to that stuff"

    9. Re:Not a very new problem. by eastlight_jim · · Score: 1

      As per the post above, you can use longurl.org to see where it goes (in this case, here) without ever clicking on it. I'd not seen the service before but can see how it would be handy in situations like this where you are unsure whether to trust the link.

    10. Re:Not a very new problem. by SockPuppetOfTheWeek · · Score: 1

      (And, now that everyone's figured out how to turn on TinyUrl previews (hint, here it is))

      http://tinyurl.com/7j7qhzz (what is this)
      http://tinyurl.com/3mpe88f (move the placeholder)
      http://tinyurl.com/7yyknry (click Go to see the pretty)

      (compatible with FF, C, O - except for that last one - crashes O hard on Windows, try it yourself)

    11. Re:Not a very new problem. by Surt · · Score: 1

      I install a link expander for my browser.

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    12. Re:Not a very new problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    13. Re:Not a very new problem. by icebraining · · Score: 1

      I'd like to know where you get your data from; I don't have any, but from my anecdotal experience, 90% of people don't even think twice before clicking on any link. Which would be irrelevant anyway, since they aren't knowledgeable enough to assess whether a website is dangerous or not by its URL.

    14. Re:Not a very new problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RequestPolicy tells me that it redirects to http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/11/12/30/1727257/malicious-qr-code-use-on-the-rise

  10. A fine question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is quite a question. A savvy person could just stick on a malicious QR code on any display in a mall or shopping center. How do you fight this, like the poster says, when you can't see where the link redirects. Perhaps a mandatory coding implimentation for QR scanners that shows you the link and asks the user to confirm that it is where they want to go?

    1. Re:A fine question... by bhlowe · · Score: 1

      The exploit would need to be for mobile devices... Not many known URL exploits for iPhone.. Your mileage may differ.

    2. Re:A fine question... by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      Some QR codes can store over 4000 alphanumeric characters. Since these codes are used for other stuff as well (e.g., vCards on convention passes) I'm sure there's an exploit somewhere out there which one could use.

    3. Re:A fine question... by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      Hmm. I wonder if the standard code include processing instructions or branches. If so, the code itself could be a program to do something. I would like to see a QR code that is also a Piet program! :D

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    4. Re:A fine question... by Toonol · · Score: 1

      No doubt. You can put javascript in a QR code (similar to the old 'bookmarklets'). It's not common, so I'm not sure that all mobile QR readers will actually handle the javascript, but it's a possible vector.

  11. Good thing no ones using them anyway by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

    Didn't we talk about this before?
    So I guess my point is. Who cares?

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  12. Preview after scanning by Dilligent · · Score: 0

    Well, this would be the single most obvious thing in the world if you ask me. If i was designing an app to scan those codes i woudln't just act on whatever content that the user might encounter but instead present him with whatever it is the QR code is saying.

    So instead of scan->immediately open goatse, how hard can it be to go:
    scan->Show user that the QR code contains a link to goatse and then they can decide whether to go there or not.

    Likewise with all other kinds of content (usually it's just pointers though, like links to market, web sites, etc

    1. Re:Preview after scanning by chronoglass · · Score: 1

      this only works if the user knows for a fact that say, cocacola isn't running some sort of viral internet ad campaign as goatse.cx.. it could be animated animals with the new coke X for all people know.

      perhaps a better method might be to have the scanner software "cloud based"(wooo buzz words!) and server side pull a thumbnail of the site to be displayed.

      sure you get goatse'd.. but you don't get ZOMG I GAWTS YER UDID!!!111'd

    2. Re:Preview after scanning by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      How is this any different than any other situation involving links? What makes this a QR Code specific problem

  13. QR codes don't all have destinations by icebike · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can do a lot with QR codes that have no destination at all, they are not restricted to web links.
    They can be simple text messages, address book entries, phone numbers, wifi network set up instructions, calendar events, etc.

    But every implementation I've seen of a QR code reader in Android and IOS also gives you the option to inspect
    the content visually before acting on it. They ask if you want to proceed.

    Of course one could argue the click-thru generation does not know enough to evaluate the content, but then
    these are the same people that no amount of malware/antivirus software can protect. They do the same with
    links in email links.

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    1. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by eddy · · Score: 1

      You can do a lot with QR codes that have no destination at all, they are not restricted to web links.

      Like game levels.

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    2. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by cras · · Score: 2

      But every implementation I've seen of a QR code reader in Android and IOS also gives you the option to inspect the content visually before acting on it. They ask if you want to proceed.

      Of course one could argue the click-thru generation does not know enough to evaluate the content, but then these are the same people that no amount of malware/antivirus software can protect.

      Is the confirmation something like OK/Cancel? I also tend to click OK buttons without hardly even reading them. That's why potentially security sensitive questions shouldn't have such simple buttons, but rather two (radio?) buttons that require you to read (and hopefully understand) what you're doing, such as: "Replace network settings from QR" and "Keep the existing network settings".

    3. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by icebike · · Score: 1

      Is the confirmation something like OK/Cancel? I also tend to click OK buttons without hardly even reading them. That's why potentially security sensitive questions shouldn't have such simple buttons, but rather two (radio?) buttons that require you to read (and hopefully understand) what you're doing, such as: "Replace network settings from QR" and "Keep the existing network settings".

      It varies by implementation of course, but most offer a choice of actions depending on the type of QR code.
      For instance, with the android version I am running right now, a simple Vcard via QR code, offers me a choice of add to address book, call number, sms number, etc.
      Additionally there is the normal "Back" button which does nothing.

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    4. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the confirmation something like OK/Cancel? I also tend to click OK buttons without hardly even reading them...

      Well there's the problem: stop doing that. :)

    5. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by stesch · · Score: 1

      I've searched for some time until I found a QR code scanner for iOS that does show me the URL first. There aren't many of them, I'll tell you. :-( The 6th was the right one, after I asked on Twitter, Reddit, a mobile phone newsgroup, and a Mac newsgroup. Qrafter is the name.

    6. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by icebike · · Score: 1

      The first to market for IOS was RedLaser. It always asks.

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    7. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Is QR Turing complete?

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    8. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      No more so than ASCII.

    9. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by allo · · Score: 1

      > I also tend to click OK buttons without hardly even reading them
      This is PEBKAC, you cannot solve it with tech stuff.

    10. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by cras · · Score: 1

      I kinda did in my next sentence, but whatever..

    11. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by stesch · · Score: 1
      I bought my iPhone this December and the high rated Apps (even searched the web for lists of QR scanners) never ask. Maybe they were first, but finding anything via the iPhone is tedious. It's better on the iPad, but I can't try 10 or 20 Apps for just one feature.

      As for RedLaser: I think I've avoided it because of the company name "eBay Inc."

    12. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      one called 'scan' can be set to ask first as well.

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    13. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by stesch · · Score: 1
      That's the second time today I read about it, but there's no preferences option in this App. Do I have to tripple tap it with four fingers?

      Scan is the first QR code scanner I installed on my iPad and later on my iPhone. There is nothing to change any options.

      I look again: There's just the History

      ARGHL! THERE IT IS! The settings are hidden on the history page!? WTF?

    14. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      There actually is a way - the same way that iOS avoids malware installation.

      The problem is, it's whitelisting.

    15. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by icebike · · Score: 1

      There actually is a way - the same way that iOS avoids malware installation.

      The problem is, it's whitelisting.

      Not really practical.

      Look, QR codes are meant to convey information, just like a note pad, or tablet. Who whitelists what you write on the back of your business card?

      What if I want to give you my Vcard on my phone via a QR code so you can scan it to add me to your contacts, who becomes the whitelisting authority? Do I have to first appeal to Apple to be able to display a contact as a QR code?

      All QR codes do not go to websites. Its just a method of writing, not a central clearing house.

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    16. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The settings are hidden on the history page!? WTF?

      Everyone knows iOS apps are magical and wonderful in every way, so it must be 2012's hot new cutting edge UI design paradigm.

    17. Re:QR codes don't all have destinations by allo · · Score: 1

      no, people will just memorize what button to click, without bothering to think if this is the action they want to do. They want to continue, not to decide something.

  14. Apps show URL and ask to confirm by perpenso · · Score: 0, Redundant

    so how do we protect unsuspecting users from QR codes, where you can't see the destination at all

    The QR code app that I use on my phone shows the URL and asks me if I want to go there. Isn't this display and prompt common for QR code apps?

    If your app does not do so, get a different one. Seems like a non issue, par for slashdot these days.

  15. Rearranging an existing QR code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I could just see it now: this gets exploited by some guy with a sharpie, some whiteout and patience...

  16. Look at the URL before you go to it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it.

    Both QR readers I've tried (Google Goggles and Microsoft Tag) show you the URL of a QR code and give you the option to go there or not.

    Do other readers not do this? Do people just click on these links without thinking about it?

  17. QR code as an attack vector vs ignorance by jehan60188 · · Score: 1

    don't most people not know how to use QR codes, anyway?

    1. Re:QR code as an attack vector vs ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all, what the hell IS a QR code?

    2. Re:QR code as an attack vector vs ignorance by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1
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  18. URL Shortening by theArtificial · · Score: 1

    This won't deter people, look at the popularity of URL shortening services for a reference. It's a tool and it has a potential for misuse. People are assholes, story at 11.

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  19. Did anybody expect anything different ? by nomad63 · · Score: 1

    I mean, it was just another way to exploit the trust of unsuspecting and most of the time, non-internet-savvy public, armed with the gizmo of the day, called smartphones. What could possibly go wrong ? It is just like giving a loaded gun to the hands of a adolescent child with raging hormones and telling him or her just shoot people who are really-really bad and nobody else. You are just trusting the judgment of totally untrustable person. If you expect a better outcome than this, good luck to you.
    The problem I see with these QR codes, most of them direct you to a bit.ly or tinyurl.com link. What is it so hard to put the full URL into it ? when I see that bit.ly link on the scanned QR code, first thing I do is to hit back/exit/escape key and run like hell. But give the phone to my 80+ years old mom ar 10 years old child and see where they hit.
    I was wondering when this was going to be a headline, until today that is :)

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  20. Shock Value by DigitalGodBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

    A while back, a friend of mine at a university printed up several dozen flyers with a QR code pointing to LemonParty and posted them around campus. Hilarity ensued as he took pictures of people's reactions as they scanned them.

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    1. Re:Shock Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got a copy of the code somewhere? I (and many others I'm sure) could have a lot of fun with that...

  21. Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That seems like the most sensible implementation.

  22. Sandboxing by mark-t · · Score: 1

    How hard is it to sandbox a visit to a URL? Malicious or not, nothing is going to get out if the sandbox is properly designed... and it's not like it's hard to do, it just requires a bit of forethought and planning.

  23. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Submitter EliSowash, editor Soulskill; please, when you folks put together summaries in the future...

    ...link things like QR code; don't expect us to know all abbreviations out there.

  24. what are they good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i see no use for qr codes anyhow, so it makes no difference where they go.

  25. But really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All QR tags go to goatse anyways.

    1. Re:But really by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Does anyone know where I can get a tee-shirt that has a nice big QR code that sends people to goatse?

      I don't even need to invoke Rule 34 - it's that bloody obvious!

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  26. If QR codes can't be trusted... by john.wingfield · · Score: 1

    how do we protect unsuspecting users from QR codes, where you can't see the destination

    ... tell people not to scan them.

  27. Slashdot, lagging behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, took you guys this long to figure out that QR codes aren't human readable and therefore make a great attack vector for malware developers.

  28. Re:Well... by hedwards · · Score: 1

    They're extremely useful though. Given that QR codes are ultimately text, there really should be a preview of what you're about to execute. Just a simple text preview of the information embedded in the code.

  29. What counts as "malicious site"? by Hentes · · Score: 1

    "In the simplest of terms, a QR code is a 2D barcode that can store data which can then be read by smart phone users. The data is an easy way to direct a user to a particular website with a simple scan of the QR code, but it could also just as easily be a link to a malicious website."

    If visiting a "malicious site" can harm your phone, switch to a secure browser. Unless you are locked into Safari, then you are screwed.

  30. Re:I never get infected/infested here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing gets thru my impenetrable "100,000 megavolt forcefield + neutronium armor & adamantium skeleton" here:

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000%2FXP%22&go=&qs=ns&form=QBLH

    It just works... & it's FASTER than std. setups too!

    APK

    P.S.=> I'm setup secured enough to be able to say that & mean it + running Windows 7 64-bit here... apk

    Amazing! Those folks over at Microsoft sure do get it done! Windows 7 64 bit on a camera phone? Outstanding! APK for President!

  31. Re:I never get infected/infested here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Secure Windows. Thanks, I needed a laugh.

  32. You can't see the destination at all? by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

    How... about.... using... an other QR reader that shows the destination first???
    Still you don't know if you can trust the link, but at least you know where you're going.

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  33. Online decoder or browser plugin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is there no online site which will decode an uploaded QR code? Why is there no browser plugin that you can activate by right-clicking on a QR image to decode it?

    1. Re:Online decoder or browser plugin by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      There is. And there is.

    2. Re:Online decoder or browser plugin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for not lifting a finger with any actual help, jackass. Hope that smugness cancels out the desperation.

    3. Re:Online decoder or browser plugin by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Sorry. I trimmed the last line. Let me add it back:

      How about you don't be a fucking retard and learn how to do a web search?

      I'll help even more since you are obviously more retarded than I first thought:

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=QR+decoder
      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=QR+decoder+firefox

      And for even more help - the first result in each case.

      Of course I suspect clicking a link is beyond your mental abilities, so I'm not sure why I'm bothering.

  34. Easy Solution: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Display the expanded url in whatever software you use to scan the code. Lots of QR handlers already display the url and give you the choice to visit it or not; just combine that with an expander and you're set.

    For the people too lazy to look (like those too lazy to check a links destination), just get them to install internet security on their phone. Just about every AV product has a phone version these days. It'll work as well as well as it does with a computer.

  35. Another one by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    Hey, another Slashdot summary ended with a forecast of impending doom disguised as a handwringing question, written by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

    QR codes are a method for encoding text. If your decoder does stupid stuff (like visit links automatically) with that decoded text then get a different decoder.

    Forget QR codes, most links on the web are quadruple encoded! They're sent to you in binary (of all things). When you turn that back into decimal you end up with ASCII code (!) and when you sort that out you're left with HTML! Finally, once you get rid of the HTML you're left with a URL! What are we to do?! How are ordinary users supposed to understand this binary-ASCII-HTML-URL witch's brew?

    1. Re:Another one by Geminii · · Score: 1

      There's probably an app for that. :)

  36. I know, add a Captcha! by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

    Users don't want protection, they want simplicity. As soon as you try to secure something it makes things "hard" and they go back to doing insecure things for the sake of simplicity, or, they just don't use it at all.

    The simple login/pass texfield on a webpage is a great example. It used to be easy and simple but now every one of them has some form of a super-secure captcha that is so secure the human eye cannot even discern it. A simple thing has been bastardized to the point it's to frustrating to use.

    Maybe QR codes have simply had their day. Let's not "extend" them.

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    1. Re:I know, add a Captcha! by allo · · Score: 1

      no, the user uses a qr-code to avoid typing in the link. when the user needs to type, he can just type in a short-url.

  37. "Summary" means.. by Feyshtey · · Score: 2

    If the summaries include descriptions of all possible acronyms or phrases included in the discussion, it's not really a summary is it?

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=QR+Code

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  38. Re:Well... by CapOblivious2010 · · Score: 2

    Something's fundamentally wrong, though, if you can't click on a random link. OK, maybe there's a browser vulnerability from time to time, and given how many there have been, clicking on random links (especially on the seedier side of the web) might not be the smartest thing you can do - but if end users are supposed to have to worry about clicking on a link, then we (the techies) are letting them down big time.

  39. I don't trust smartphone security (yet) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stick to PC's online & because of security on them vs. smartphones. Smartphones are still too immature in security, & too many breaches occur on them, in terms of security for my tastes.

    Not saying that smartphones aren't cool though - They're "getting there", & like most computing systems, better all the time on THAT front... but security? Not there yet.

    (They are just a new technology I'll wait on until they get better @ security & not being taken advantage of as much as they have been the past few years now).

    * That time'll come eventually though...

    APK

    P.S.=> There you go... apk

  40. or with Greasemonkey by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/40582
    I use this Greasemonkey script for similar reasons.
    It works on shorteners in addition to bit.ly and displays the real URL automatically

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    1. Re:or with Greasemonkey by allo · · Score: 1

      so this script visits the url with preview option, or even some thirdparty-service ... giving out the url you may visit soon and your ip adress. not very privacy friendly, is it?

  41. obfuscation bites by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    QR obfuscates where there's actually a strong desire to know it all.

  42. Mallarky by qualityassurancedept · · Score: 1

    I have the ATT code scanner on my phone. When you scan a code a dialogue box pops up and says "Do you want to visit...?" and it gives the actual URL. This article is like saying "malicious URLs can be hidden behind seemingly valid URLs by means of redirects so therefore you should be concerned about clicking on links on the internet."

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  43. Where's the OCR? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't understand why QR codes are needed. Why can't the camera use Optical Character Recognition (OCR) instead? Maybe a standard font that's easy for OCR to read, like that MICR font they invented for check numbering in the 1960s. Maybe at first the phone just sends the image up to a server, for 3D->2D reformation and reading. But it would eliminate this problem.

    And also the IDN homograph attack that will surely become more widespread with the increase in Unicode in the Web and gradually in URLs. Your phone would be set to decode the URLs as your home character set, that you recognize, for opening as a URL - not the arbitrary URL composed of the similar looking but different valued Unicode characters.

    WYSIWYG URLs. An idea whose time has come.

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    1. Re:Where's the OCR? by benjamindees · · Score: 3, Informative

      The obvious answer is that QR codes are useful to scan something with crappy resolution, like a phone display, using something with crappy resolution, like a phone camera, and to process it in real-time using something with crappy computing power, like a phone cpu. The fact that it works at all is really kind of amazing.

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    2. Re:Where's the OCR? by mdmkolbe · · Score: 2

      Yes! Please! So many QR codes are in-place-of rather than in-addition-to a human-readable URL. If I don't have my phone with me or don't want to bother digging it out of my pocket (or don't even have a QR-enabled phone), then the QR code is just obfuscation.

      Smart people will always include a human-readable URL next to the QR code, but given that most QR designers evidently aren't smart enough for that, I'll settle for a human-readable QR.

    3. Re:Where's the OCR? by tokul · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why QR codes are needed.

      Letters are designed to be read by humans. QRs are designed to be read by machines.

    4. Re:Where's the OCR? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Phone displays and cameras are routinely in the megapixel range. As I pointed out, the image can be processed at the server. I don't see why practically every smartphone, and most featurephones, can't do the OCR.

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    5. Re:Where's the OCR? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      As I pointed out, there are letters designed to be read by both humans and machines, which reduces the malicious QR code use we're discussing.

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    6. Re:Where's the OCR? by sco08y · · Score: 2

      I don't understand why QR codes are needed. Why can't the camera use Optical Character Recognition (OCR) instead?

      Okay, a QR code can transmit up to a kilobyte of data, with error correction, even with blurring. But you can't read it.

      A typical MICR code is a roughly 10 digit account or routing number, and it's typical use case is it's printed on a check that has information indicating which way is up, and is scanned by a machine with a fixed lens.

      Even with an OCR font, any blurring makes features run together, so you have to get the focal length just right. The MICR fonts only handle numerals; many English glyphs are homographs, let alone accents or Kanji. People will, at minimum, hold the camera at an angle if not upside down, so you'd need additional decoration to indicate orientation. And you'd need a universal standard to indicate character set. And the camera is square, so you'd either want a very short URL, or make it into a block of text. And you'd want additional garbage characters or decoration to add some error correction or at least checksum.

      If you did all this, it would probably not look much like intelligible English, let alone most other languages. And a URL is not going to be very intelligible to begin with and would only hold a tiny amount of actual data.

    7. Re:Where's the OCR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Current smartphones are getting beyond those crappy limits, though. QR codes seem more like a fad.

    8. Re:Where's the OCR? by Carnildo · · Score: 2

      QR codes have the benefits of a higher information density and significant error checking/correction ability. MICR has an error rate of 1 per 100,000 characters, which works out to about one error per thousand URLs scanned. QR codes have an error rate of essentially zero: the ECC information means that when a scan error occurs, it either gets corrected or reported.

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    9. Re:Where's the OCR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As perfect as you may think OCR is, even with the appropriate font, it isn't going to compare to something with built-in error correction like QR codes. You can distort and obscure substantial parts of a QR code and it can still be correctly decoded. Not so with plain text.

    10. Re:Where's the OCR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phone displays and cameras are routinely in the megapixel range. As I pointed out, the image can be processed at the server. I don't see why practically every smartphone, and most featurephones, can't do the OCR.

      It is OCR. It's just not using characters you personally are familiar with.

      We first started off with the banks, the numbers on the bottom are called the MICR line, you'll notice the numbers use a very particular font. It's specially designed to "resist" becoming deformed or mis-read even when the numbers are slightly damaged.

      QR codes are a slightly more advanced form of the same concept.

      As to the topic at hand (tinfoil hat paranoia), I fail to see how this is really different to the average user than a hyperlink to an IP address with some kind of cryptic directory name/filename structure.

    11. Re:Where's the OCR? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Barcode is not OCR. Not all optical scans are OCR. "Characters" are different from bitmaps that humans can't read.

      QR codes are a regression towards barcodes, away from OCR.

      The MICR charset could certainly be extended (in style or in principle) to a 40-something charset required for URL encoding. Then people could read the URL before retrieving it. And just like with obfuscated clickable URLs, if they don't trust what they see, they can opt not to retrieve it. People should not click IP# URLs they don't somehow know, and many do not. With QR codes, the trust phase is solely determined by the context, not the content, which means nobody considers the trust, and hence the malicious QR code on the rise.

      It's funny you should dismiss this clear security risk as paranoia in a comment posted anonymously.

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    12. Re:Where's the OCR? by tokul · · Score: 1

      As I pointed out

      Based on same logic cars can drive on sidewalks as some roads can be used by both machines and humans. Your machine readable fonts are still designed for humans and they are only less prone to errors in OCR. Information stored there is not optimized for machine use and requires more machine resources to parse it.

    13. Re:Where's the OCR? by SockPuppetOfTheWeek · · Score: 1

      Yes they are. You can get "barcode" fonts in TrueType. You could read them perfectly well, but you'd probably need years of practice to become as proficient at reading them as you are at reading the Roman glyphs you're presently familiar with. But need I to remind you that you've had years of practice to become proficient at reading those too?

      They're just as much "characters" as Braille, or the American Sign Language alphabet, or Morse Code, or hieroglyphics, or semaphores, or pictograms, or unfamiliar scripts that may just look like squiggly lines. They're just printed in a language that you're not familiar with.

    14. Re:Where's the OCR? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Your metaphor is a bad argument for you, because using the same font for both machine and human reading does not present dangers to humans the way driving cars on sidewalks does. The point of your metaphor is that content for machine consumption and human consumption should be kept segregated. But that is inconvenient for humans, the way it would be inconvenient to never let humans walk in streets (parades, crosswalks).

      Also, just as OCR fonts are less prone to machine reading error than human-only fonts, so are QR codes only less prone to error than OCR fonts. There's always an error rate, as in any decoding of anything. OCR rates with a standardized font are low enough, just as QR code error rates are low enough without being perfect.

      The extra machine resources to parse OCR instead of barcode are available. The point of the machines is human convenience, not machine convenience. QR codes that humans can't read are inconvenient, and also a security risk as this article we're discussing points out.

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    15. Re:Where's the OCR? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Except most adults already have learned to read the characters, so the years of practice aren't necessary. The packaging of barcodes in fonts is just more argument to use human readable fonts that machines can read instead of ones only machines can read. It would be very straightforward to switch the software, and prohibitively difficult (though purely in principle possible) to switch the humans.

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  44. Secure Windows = very doable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You saying that tells me you don't know it's possible & you haven't achieved it yourself - If you had? You wouldn't say that.

    * Folks've done what's in the guide I posted, even websites, & it works... really well too! Takes about 1-2 hours of your time, for years of uptime (going strong here since late 2009 in fact on Windows 7 64-bit when it released from the same installation as the day it came out).

    (It uses a multiplatform security test/benchmark tool (CIS Tool) you can use on Linux, & other UNIX variants too that makes it almost fun to do (based on "best practices" in security from said OS platforms as an audit tool)).

    APK

    P.S.=> No Operating System out there's "bulletproof & bugfree", especially as it ships from the oem's (with good enough reasons I think - so "everything is open, but works", especially in network mass installs), but they can be made to be far more secure than default as well as faster (with a little user education in the mix with system "tuning" for speed & security)... apk

    1. Re:Secure Windows = very doable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the FUCK are you and why do I care? You seem like somebody who spouts off "buzzwords" and doesn't KNOW what they are talking about. Also make sure to bold, liberally use "quotes" and TALK IN CAPS because it makes the SHIT out of your "mouth" seem more legitimate when you speak.

    2. Re:Secure Windows = very doable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the guy (guys ?) is a very well known troll and almost no one but morons use the so-called guide the google research result probably shows (yes because he doesn't have a blog or a reference website for this so he relies on google ranking of a post made on some forums)

      he's also an asshole threatening anyone not agreeing with him and an homophobic mysogin.

      he's very funny though if you consider all of this in the context of an anonymous troll. playing with him is an old slashdot meme. you come, you prove him wrong and you leave. some other AC will take the relay and trash him more, and so on. whatever you say he. will. keep. answering.

      btw whatever he claims about himself, he's never able to prove it, so don't trust his word for anything he says.

  45. Hey buddy, by Karellen · · Score: 1

    The big problem is that the QR code to a human being is nothing more than "that little square with a bunch of strange blocks in it."

    Are you sure? Wanna try some Snow Crash?

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  46. QR Mischief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it possible to actually produce a malformed QR code that takes advantage of the QR-reading software or its error correction in a phone itself?

  47. Re:Well... by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

    And given how many exploits are propgated by ads and server hacks of well trusted sites (facebook, drudge, etc, have all been sources of ad-viruses), it gives a false sense of security. Ive had many a user convinced that they could never get a virus because of the sites they visited; they got one, and browser history showed facebook, and I had to explain how virus distribution works to them.

    Best way to set your users free from having to think about such things: uninstall Java JRE, uninstall Acrobat reader (and install Foxit), update flash, get them using Chrome. Their browser will autoupdate, and there wont be any plugin 0-days to exploit.

  48. NFC riskier by gunnaraztek · · Score: 0

    I can encode a nfc card with a url and my nexus s will happily scan it, and open the browser instantly...

    more of a risk in my oppinion, no qr code reader i've ever seen just opens the url...

  49. Re:Well... by NFN_NLN · · Score: 2

    Something's fundamentally wrong, though, if you can't click on a random link. OK, maybe there's a browser vulnerability from time to time, and given how many there have been, clicking on random links (especially on the seedier side of the web) might not be the smartest thing you can do - but if end users are supposed to have to worry about clicking on a link, then we (the techies) are letting them down big time.

    It isn't always a browser vulnerability being exploited. For instance, meatspin.com is perfectly safe to browse as it only corrupts your brain.

  50. I'm ME, & apparently, you do care, lol! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Who the FUCK are you and why do I care?" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30, @02:38PM (#38541454)

    I'm the guy that authored the guides that showed up in the search link from bing on how to secure modern varieties of Windows. I've been doing security guides like them since 1997 online since the Windows NT 3.5x days, & ones that only got better & better + more "up-to-date modernized" for Windows as it evolved!

    (Go easy on the profanity... it's not doing you a favor!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Those Security Guides for Windows did well over time too on the sites they're on ratings-wise, views-wise, & "feedback from users-wise" who fully applied its points in full/to-the-letter too - the latter parties' results being the most important part

    (I even got paid for the guide too, which was cool & unexpected. I didn't do them for money, I did them because I considered it almost a civic duty really. It was nice getting paid though, for doing "the right thing"!)

    Lastly - Sorry if some terms I use seem like "buzzwords" to you, but, they're "std. fare" pretty much in computing's all (& if you don't "get them", then either look them up, ask a question, or whatever, but don't "flip out" over it like you have with the profanity - makes you seem less intelligent imo!)...

    ... apk

  51. smart phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are for ID10Ts

  52. Re:Well... by allo · · Score: 1

    erm ... so you think if your browser is safe, its totally okay to visit goatse?

  53. You don't write horrible decoding software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duh. The QR codes aren't the problem. Software that decodes QR codes should treat them as hostile, outside data, and act accordingly (ask the user to confirm any actions the device might have available based on the contents of the QR code, e.g. in the case of QR-encoded URL, display the decoded URL in a confirmation box).

  54. only hipsters use them anyway by Gothmolly · · Score: 0

    Only hipsters and "connected" douchebags feel the need to scan a QR code with their smartphone. Who cares if they get some malware because of it?

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  55. Re:Well... by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Something's fundamentally wrong, though, if you can't click on a random link. OK, maybe there's a browser vulnerability from time to time, and given how many there have been, clicking on random links (especially on the seedier side of the web) might not be the smartest thing you can do - but if end users are supposed to have to worry about clicking on a link, then we (the techies) are letting them down big time.

    Imagine being at the book store with your children, family, friends, etc. and thumbing though magazines to pass away the time. Now I know a streaker could AT ANY TIME run through the place and just wreck the friendly atmosphere, but he would be kicked out, and aside from that you wouldn't expect to randomly turn a magazine page to child porn, a rick roll, snuff film, man's stretched asshole, or other obscenity, unless you went to a place that sold those things.

    Is it wrong to want little sanctuaries like that? I could go to another bookstore if I wanted, but I don't like sipping coffee with a book next to a rack of dildos. A little discretion, that's what people want. You can call it censorship or whatever if you want, but people want a little of that in public places, and that's what the Internet is.

    I can appreciate the Internet for what it is, a weird private-public place, I do, but it's not being treated by most like the seedy underground cesspool it really is, and that bugs me. You SHOULD worry about clicking on a link - it was designed that way. It is analogous to the kind of physical places that make you want to take a bath after visiting. An AWESOME place for grey/black markets and all sorts of counter-culture memes. Places where you watch your back constantly, and most people rather not go.

    Something IS fundamentally wrong with advocating it as a safe place for the public to do business and socialize. And we should stop laughing at people who get ripped off and abused by it. Nobody is "asking for" the kind of abuse you find on this network, and there is no safe alternative provided.

  56. QR codes are more hassle than typing the URL by FoolishOwl · · Score: 1

    As far as I've been able to make out, while QR codes have different possible applications, the only application for which I've ever seen them used is for encoding URLs in posted advertisements. And in every case, the URL was printed adjacent to the QR code block, and usually was short and obvious, e.g., on a poster for www.example.com, there's the URL, http://www.example.com/ and a QR code, that when scanned and translated, presents the URL, http://www.example.com/. Since I'd have to take a photo of the QR code block, let it analyze the image, and accept the presented URL and open a Web browser from that link, I've ended up taking more time and going through more steps than I would have by just typing in the damned URL to begin with.

    In practice, the only reason to bother with QR codes at all is for the sake of novelty, and that wears thin very quickly. If QR codes as a malware vector becomes common, I think everyone will just stop using them entirely.

  57. Corrupt a QIR by mlush · · Score: 1

    I've wondered if would be possible to create an app that would tell you which squares to colour in so it redirects a QIR somewhere else

  58. QR codes are a bad idea by msobkow · · Score: 1

    If you can't read the link to know where it leads, how can you possibly avoid phishing attacks with a QR code? This technology is a wet dream for spammers and malware authors! They can send you anywhere, and you can't even see where they're sending you.

    URL shortening services are bad enough. I disagree with posting shortened URLs except in a twitter feed.

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  59. Re:Well... by CapOblivious2010 · · Score: 1

    erm ... so you think if your browser is safe, its totally okay to visit goatse?

    OK, yes, I think there should be some reasonable expectation of "decency" (however one defines it), much as changing channels on TV might expose you to ideas you don't like but generally won't inflict goatse upon you.

    But TFA isn't talking about that - it's talking about using QR codes as an ATTACK vector for malware - essentially tricking people into (virtually) clicking on links which will then perform drive-by-downloads or whatnot upon their PCs.

    My point is that the very existence of drive-by-downloads is a damning indictment of browsers, email programs, and the like. It's as if certain TV channels caused your TV to explode, or to become a camera instead of a TV and start watching your every move. Even if I did accidentally click over to the goatse channel, I could click away without the image having changed the basic functioning of my TV set.

  60. Re:Well... by icebraining · · Score: 1

    "We"? How the fuck are "we" responsible for what security vulnerabilities the browser developers - which most of "us" aren't - leave open? Should I complain to Micheal Schumacher that my Renault is running hot? After all, he's one of the "car people".

  61. Brand it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recommend branding the QR code. If the QR code is unique in design, with a familiar logo imbedded, it would create trust to scan the code, and click on a short link. There are services like QRlicious out there that do this. http://qrlicious.com Placement is also key, people shouldn't scan random, black and white QR codes on stickers placed in odd places. Sometimes infected codes will be on stickers covering up the actual code. Just use common sense.

  62. _What_ code use? by jonadab · · Score: 1

    What the blinkety blank is a QR code? The description in the summary makes it sound like one of those obscure two-dimensional barcode formats, none of which ever caught on to any meaningful extent, but then it starts talking about clicking on it, like it's a link in a web page or something. Wait, what? Who the heck clicks on barcodes? I'm missing something.

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  63. I think you're all looking for this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  64. content vs code by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    how do we protect unsuspecting users from QR codes, where you can't see the destination at all?

    By having clicking links never be dangerous or risky.

    I don't know about you, but when I load a web page, I expect my browser to display a web page, not download and execute foreign code, nor run that code as with my permissions.

    The old advice of "don't click a link if you don't know where it goes" was stupid. Not stupid in the sense that it shouldn't be heeded, but that it was an acknowledgement that peoples' browsers were totally broken and the advice should have been withdrawn a week later after people got the hole fixed. Of course the joke is that the holes don't ever get fixed.

    What really sucks is that QR codes are primarily used by mobile users, and they tend to run recent browsers rather than legacy shit. (Seriously, mobile Safari and the Android equivalent are pretty damn good browsers and perversely better than what most people use on their desktops.) Their browsers really ought to not be so broken that loading a page could be risky. Apparently that's not the case? *sigh*

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  65. pathetic windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you use Microsoft's Windows then you may be afraid of clicking on liks and surfing web. But read it again: isn't it pathetic to have such buggy software that you cannot use it?

  66. learn to modify Re:Just like with TinyURL... by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    with tinurl, you can ALWAYS change the url so if someone gives you a link of
    http://tinyurl.com/6qq9399

    instead, change it to
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/6qq9399
    and you'll get this

    Preview of TinyURL.com/6qq9399

    This TinyURL redirects to:
    http://www.youporn.com/search?query=bukkake&a
    mp;type=straight
    Proceed to this site.

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  67. No more dangerous than URL shortening services by kobotronic · · Score: 2

    Depending on how your phone scanner app is configured, QR code URL content may be shown on the screen as a link you can choose whether or not to open. But the links are often shortened so as to make for a smaller or less dense QR code box. And that puts this "risk" in the same category and amount as following any other bit.ly "mystery meat" link that resolves on the redirect service in a redirect to the real destination.

    If your browser is built like shit and visiting a "maliciously constructed" webpage can cause code execution on your system, well that's still not a problem with the QR code technology.

    QR is vulnerable to "spoofing" in the sense that for example a printed advert with a link on it to download an endorsed phone app - could with a cheaply produced sticker placed over the legitimate code become corrupted so the new code points to some other app. With Android's allowance for un-regulated third-party app installations, there is some concern there that this could lead to unwitting users downloading and installing a malicious app that masquerades as the endorsed, legitimate one.

    The solution here could be to extend the established Android app signing system to have an "advisory" service that ranks the credibility of the individual app signing developers and publishers and as part of the app installation process can give you a heads-up hey wait a minute this app publisher has a strongly negative trust ranking maybe you shouldn't install it.

    I want nothing like Apple's walled garden, but a voluntary model where you can get a "green seal" as a trustworthy app publisher and specifically trusted apps, might go a long way.

  68. Saw that one coming... by Tekoneiric · · Score: 1

    Saw that one coming...

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  69. Norton Snap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Norton Snap QR Code reader for iPhone and Android will show you the expanded URL and give you the site's rating before navigating to it.
    https://market.android.com/details?id=com.symantec.norton.snap
    http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/norton-snap-qr-code-reader/id471928808?mt=8

  70. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You and the GP are talking about different things. If someone tricks you into looking at goatse, you're disgusted, but not seriously inconvenienced. But if someone tricks you into visiting a malware-laden site that exploits some vulnerability in your browser to root your box, that's a serious problem. End users have to worry that, if they click on a link, Something Scary Involving Computers may occur - and that's because browser programmers have failed them.

  71. This space for rent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vector all QR calls through a registry of valid links.

  72. Hero Would Be Disappointed by Flere+Imsaho · · Score: 1

    What, no Snow Crash references?

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  73. if a=b &b=c then a=c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unknown email link = danger
    QR Code = Unknown Link
    Duh... dont click it?

  74. Re:Well... by quixote9 · · Score: 1

    Exactly! And it's not even difficult to make the chain of links explicit or to give people the environment they want. There's software for the first one, which should just be standard and automatic everywhere. And there's also a solution for the second issue. Slashdot has been using it for years. Give people the option to see different levels of grossness. If I want my world squeaky clean, I have my settings at "5." Or, at the other end, at "0." No censorship involved, and yet people can control at least that part of their own world.

    Of course, that would require the big 4 browsers and the big search engines to cooperate in open source, transparent rating/moderation schemes, and everyone who puts anything on the web to be at least vaguely honest in their initial self-rating for where they fit in the scheme of things. And, yeah, I know, what are the chances of that?

  75. Poor job troll (pot calling the kettle black) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Calling me "anonymous troll" & yet YOU are harassing me that way posting as AC while you troll? Please, lol:

    Talk about "the pot calling the kettle black", lmao!

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    "he's also an asshole threatening anyone not agreeing with him and an homophobic mysogin." - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31, @07:19AM (#38547144)

    tomhudson, is that you? LMAO, I'd bet it is... you're one of a VERY SELECT FEW that uses the term "mysoginist" & I am far, Far, FAR from that here by the by... & I am not homophobic (but I am not a homosexual either by the same token).

    (The profanity usage on your part doesn't "help your case" either, mind you...)

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    "btw whatever he claims about himself, he's never able to prove it, so don't trust his word for anything he says.." - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31, @07:19AM (#38547144)

    Ask any questions you like, I can supply information easily enough from reputable sources about myself (I have on demand from yourself the 'ac stalker/harasser troll' as I call you) on my education, successes & achievements in the computer sciences field I have had, & more. I can do that, unlike yourself, trolling/stalking/harassing as AC posts as you do with no indicator of who you really are at all, whatsoever...

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    "the guy (guys ?) is a very well known troll and almost no one but morons use the so-called guide the google research result probably shows (yes because he doesn't have a blog or a reference website for this so he relies on google ranking of a post made on some forums" - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31, @07:19AM (#38547144)

    Speaking for "everyone", eh? Are YOU the "great authority" here?? No. Here's contrary data from some testimonials I've gotten regarding that security guide of mine for Windows:

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    SOME QUOTED TESTIMONIALS TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SAID LAYERED SECURITY GUIDE I AUTHORED:

    http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=672ebdf47af75a0c5b0d9e7278be305f&t=28430&page=2

    "I recently, months ago when you finally got this guide done, had authorization to try this on simple work station for kids. My client, who paid me an ungodly amount of money to do this, has been PROBLEM FREE FOR MONTHS! I haven't even had a follow up call which is unusual." - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

    AND

    "APK, thanks for such a great guide. This would, and should, be an inspiration to such security measures. Also, the pc that has "tweaks": IS STILL GOING! NO PROBLEMS!" - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

    AND

    http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=672ebdf47af75a0c5b0d9e7278be305f&t=28430&page=3

    "Its 2009 - still trouble free! I was told last week by a co worker who does active directory administration, and he said I was doing overkill. I told him yes, but I just eliminated the half life in windows that you usually get. He said good point. So from 2008 till 2009. No speed decreases, its been to a lan party, moved around in a move, and it still NEVER has had the OS reinstalled besides the fact I imaged the drive over in 2008. Great stuff! My client STILL Hasn't called me back in regards to that one machine to get it locked down for the kid. I am glad it worked and I am sure her wallet is appreciated too now that it works. Speaking of which, I need to call her to see if I can get some leads. APK - I will say it again, the guide is FANTASTIC! Its made my PC experience much easier. Sandboxing was great. Getting my host file updated, setting services to system service, rather than system local. (except AVG updat

  76. Re:Well... by allo · · Score: 1

    the whole article is about the problem, that tinyurls hide the link target, while good urls speak for themself. Something like domain.tld/messages/inbox ist quite obvious, something like sho.rt/bla is not.

  77. Check Linux for "secure" (lol) in 2011! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KERNEL.ORG COMPROMISED - The Cracking of Kernel.org: (very bad - do you trust it now?)

    http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/08/31/2321232/Kernelorg-Compromised

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    Linux.com pwned in fresh round of cyber break-ins: (lol)

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/12/more_linux_sites_down/

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    Mysql.com Hacked, Made To Serve Malware:

    http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/09/26/2218238/mysqlcom-hacked-made-to-serve-malware

    What's that site running? You guessed it - Linux -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=mysql.com

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    London Stock Exchange serving malware:

    http://slashdot.org/submission/1484548/London-Stock-Exchange-Web-Site-Serving-Malware

    (I mean hey - NOT ONLY DID LINUX FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE less than a few minutes into the job http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/02/19/0147232/London-Stock-Exchange-Price-Errors-Emerged-At-Linux-Launch, & crash not only ONCE, but TWICE there? You see "Linux 'fine security'" in motion @ the LSE too!)

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    DUQU ROOTKIT/BOTNET BEING SERVED FROM LINUX SERVERS: (very recent):

    http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/11/30/1610228/duqu-attackers-managed-to-wipe-cc-servers

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    Linux Foundation, Linux.com Sites Down To Fix Security Breach: (lol)

    http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/09/11/1325212/linux-foundation-linuxcom-sites-down-to-fix-security-breach

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    Linux's showing in CA's breached recently too? Ok: (very, Very, VERY BAD for ecommerce, online shopping, banking, etc./et al)

    http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=StartCom.com

    http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=GlobalSign.com

    http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=Comodo.com

    http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=DigiCert.com

    http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gemnet.nl

    The list of CA Servers BREACHED that RUN LINUX (StartCom, GlobalSign, DigiCert, Comodo, GemNet)... per these articles verifying that:

    http://itproafrica.com/technology/security/cas-hacked/

    &

    http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/site-dutch-ca-gemnet-offline-after-web-server-attack-120811

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    The Stratfor SECURITY hack: (can't blame it on poor setup, this IS a security firm that uses Linux)

    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/12/28/1743201/data-exposed-in-stratfor-compromise-analyzed

    What's that domain run? Yes kids - you guessed it: LINUX -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stratfor.com

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    Phishers/Spammers FAVOR attacking LAMP: