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Before the iPhone, Apple's Stunning Phone From 1983
Several readers pointed out the story of the Apple phone that never was, from 1983. Pictures of the concept phone are impressive, as you'd expect from Hartmut Esslinger, later founder of Frog Design. Even more interesting is that this phone is part of a much larger collection of Apple artifacts curated by Stanford.
It's surprising that Apple was trying stylus-based touch screens back in 1983. The phone seems to be in line with the whole Apple philosophy - thinking about functions and what user wants to do before technical details. This, in my opinion, is why Apple has always been so successful. Unlike Linux, Apple thinks about user first, and then technical details.
For example, the touch screen in this phone could had provide many useful functions compared to other phones. It's good for taking quick notes (keyboard wouldn't be), and it acts as a great phonebook. The fact that you could use it for taking notes, or viewing older notes, during phone call highlights the way Apple thinks. Always think about what user wants to do.
If I needed to do business and have a phone on my desktop, this is the kind of phone I would want! They could even make it a bit more modern by adding similar voice recognition like Siri is on iPhone. Then the device could act as your virtual secretary, handling your calendar, contacts and to do lists. In addition, make it do voice recognition during voice calls and provide transcripts for those. This also means you could search thru the conversation, and have a chat log of them. Need to look up the specific details your client said to you? No problem, just tell Siri to find them and it provides nice list of everything that was said, complete with audio and transcript. Then you don't even need to take notes so much.
This is the reason why I think Apple has been so successful with OSX, iPhone and iPad. They think about user first. They think what user wants to do. Then they fine tune all the details so that it is pleasant experience. UI and good design goes along with this. It's also what Linux is lacking.
Secondly, and more importantly, there's a growing issue apart from the first one. This has to do with special situation within human culture. You see, from the very beginning ducks have ruled the world. Yes, ducks. Yellow sitting ducks like you have in your bath tub. Microsoft, Apple, Google... all really started and owned by ducks. Steve Jobs was hired to work as a supposed CEO of Apple because the ducks thought humans would not be ready for a duck-run company. So while Steve Jobs spoke words like "amazing", "incredible" and "outstanding" to the human public, all the corporate orders came from the ducks. This is one of the basic misunderstands people have about tech world.
Overally, Apple has always got people. They do the technical parts good, but they especially finetune user experience and UI. Most other tech companies don't think about this. Open source products almost never think about this. It's why Apple is so successful.
I wonder how many iPhone patents this provides prior art against?
#include "standard_disclaimer.h"
So, why do you think Apple is successful and Linux isn't?
Because Apple has always finetuned UI and user experience. Linux has always been about command line and geeky stuff first. However, it's not what users want to use. They don't want to mess with command line settings and tools.
Or, good god, maybe I'm not shilling for anyone but can see different companies doing different things better than others and just state my honest opinions about them?
Obvious troll is obvious
Keep telling yourself that, as you cry into your Mountain Dew Code Red while watching your VA Linux stock tank.
Linux was always servers first, work stations next, desktops last. Apple is the other way around. It's not fair to compare the two.
I wonder how many Nokia/Motorola/HTC/Samsung/Microsoft patents this provides prior art against?
Linux was always servers first, work stations next, desktops last. Apple is the other way around. It's not fair to compare the two.
Uh, no. Linux was even created because Linus wanted a free UNIX like desktop. Since the beginning Linux users have touted how this will be the year of Linux on desktop. It has nothing to do with "servers first, desktops last", because Linux users very much have wanted Linux to be number #1 on desktop.
He shills for the Ducks
I think he was remarking on the fact that neither have a massive market share, and they both excel in different areas of the market.
You say "thinking about functions and what user wants to do before technical details [...] is why Apple has always been so successful" and you wouldn't be wrong when you talk about tablets and multimedia devices.
I could easily say the opposite, "thinking about technical details and functionality before what user wants to do [...] is why Linux has always been so successful", and I wouldn't be wrong if we were talking in the context of servers, high-reliability embedded devices, supercomputers etc.
Maybe instead of making baseless accusations, you could actually respond to the part of his post that you disagree with?
As someone who works in the Linux desktop world, I don't see anything in his post that seems off-base or even inflammatory.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
You obviously have no idea what Linux actually is.
Uh, no. Linux was even created because Linus wanted a free UNIX like desktop.
He wanted something that he could hack on, and the free UNIX at the time was not good enough.
Since the beginning Linux users have touted how this will be the year of Linux on desktop. It has nothing to do with "servers first, desktops last", because Linux users very much have wanted Linux to be number #1 on desktop.
This is how I know you are shilling or trolling. It should be obvious to the slashdot crowd that most of the development in Linux is happening on the base of the system and server and DB related tools. Of course, any Linux user wants his desktop experience to be great as well.
You see, from the very beginning ducks have ruled the world.
Yes, a lot of folks just read the first part of the comment and the conclusion. But some people do read the entire comment before replying.
Linus Torvalds' original goal was not to make a great server OS. It was to be able to run a unix-like OS on his cheap x86 desktop machine.
I don't always use unix-like operating systems; but when I do, I prefer FreeBSD.
Of course, any Linux user wants his desktop experience to be great as well.
Then why the hell do the vast majority of them put up shit like Gnome?
I don't always use unix-like operating systems; but when I do, I prefer FreeBSD.
Mmmm Peking duck.
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Maybe the creators of Linux (and naturally the various flavours of Unix it comes from) also thought about users, but simply had a different subset of users in mind?
Is this supposed to sound completely nonsensical in a satirical way or is this supposed to be serious?
Do you remember when iPhone first came out? No one could figure out what to do with it. It sold magnificently anyway. I had a friend who got one when it first came out. It was just a very expensive phone with no other uses. At that time no one really cared about doing checking twitter feeds and what not on a phone but that's what iPhone was made for anyway. So, tell me how Apple cares about what users want and that's their design philosophy. They did however succeed in showing what was possible with the state of the art technologies beyond what the unsuspecting mass could imagine doing with a phone. This was done with cool design and some innovative approaches. But please stop throwing out BSes like they only care about what their customers want.
What?! A person with varying opinions that we can't easily pigeonhole? Fuck, we can't have this - release the hounds!
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
Freely admit he got me hook line and sinker. I think there must be a certain length of post that makes people think "Sod it, I'll skip to the conclusion". However, it didn't work on my partner because he has to read everything out loud and is quite careful to read every line.
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
Linus said "I never wanted Linux to be some server".
Talk about yourself not the whole user community, apple products do very little that I want; although i admit when i do use them for nothing I want, it does still look pretty (which is really what apple is about, form over function).
Hell yeah, they don't listen to what the user wants they tell the user what to want.
Rocket Surgeon.
Oh c'mon -- reading the comments from the oblivious posters is half the fun!
I can't be the only one who immediately thought of the Apple 2c case when seeing the phone.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
lawyers, money, greed, marketing, loose morals, closed controlled expensive source vs free open source.
Rocket Surgeon.
I wouldn't call them "baseless" with such a thought out post appearing the same minute the article goes live (look ma, no subscription!). Check his comment history and see how he always chimes in in first minutes or even the first minute, especially when he can say something good about MS or bad about Google.
Compare with previous similar accounts, each dropped when next goes live.
Offtopic accusations - may be (though "Uh, no. Linux was even created because Linus wanted a free UNIX like desktop. Since the beginning Linux users have touted how this will be the year of Linux on desktop." silliness is probably modded Informative by his alt), but baseless?..
You miss the point. This isn't a users vs tech specs question.
It's a cathedral vs. bazaar question.
The cathedral can pick one priority. The bazaar (by its very nature) cannot.
The bazaar model (and we could debate the extent to which Linux development really follows that model, but as theoretical ideal it's apt enough) implies a set of cooperating interests each pursuing their own goal. In short, the bazaar model gaurantees that the product will be what the people working on it cared about, which may or may not align with their users.
Thus we get things like the kded4 process being permanently unstable because the devs wanted the plug-in modules to work a certain way, and one shitty module brings down all the rest. The user doesn't care about the overhead saved by this model. They just care that their desktop becomes periodically unstable in a way that is nearly impossible to debug. Take your pick of other Linux development problems.
In the cathedral management picks their priorities, and the developers can go defile themselves if they don't like it. That can create the iPad, and it can also create Windows Bob (and the Paper Clip).
The question is, and always has been, which is better overall? While citing best and worst examples from both camps can be illuminating, it does not make for proof that one is better than the other.
At the original $500/$600 price point, the early adopters snapped it up and then sales slowed. Apple had an "emergency" $200 price drop and rebated (coupons?) previous buyers.
It sold noticeably better at $400 and when the price dropped to $200 with subsidy the sales really took off. The app store definitely helped too.
Apple invented the telephone. So piss off, Alexander Bell! APPLE4LYFE
Every post here is just random noise about Apple itself, not about the device.
Was this a working prototype? Did they even have flatpanel displays like that in 1983? What kind of processor would drive the phone? Where the heck would all the internals fit, a 1983 era computer was 10x the volume of this phone "prototype".
I can't imagine that this device was anything but a non-functional "concept" mockup. I don't think it was feasible to build one of these for at least 10-15 years.
It's surprising that Apple was trying stylus-based touch screens back in 1983.
No it isn't. At least in Northern Europe from the late 1970's to the early 1980's, different kind of pointing devices for home computers and computerized home appliances was very fashionable. Including styluses, touch screens (they had metal meshes layered on top of the screen), optical devices that read when the pixel that they where aimed at updated (very popular for shooter games in the mid-1970's, don't know what they are called in English) and digitizer tablets. Apple only had to glance at Europe to find similar devices, made some years prior to this phone.
Then IBM PC clones and MacIntoshes became popular in the mid 1980's (through sly marketing efforts) and the whole computer market was from a technical and UI point of view brought back ten years and most of the UI technology developed before them would be forgotten, although some of it have been reinvented through the "modern" touch phones/pads.
I see you've been modded funny but I don't think that it was the aim of your post.
I think you are comparing apples with oranges. Linux is not a company so it doesn't have the same goals as a company. It started as a geek pet project and it's goal was fun and learning. What it does now is providing a kernel to whoever wants to use it. Anyway, with Linux you probably mean the companies or just the geeks building distributions on the top of the Linux kernel and the GNU software, plus Google with their Linux/Android products. Or you might even mean the desktop environments like Gnome, KDE and many others. But if you compare apples with apples, let's say Apple with Canonical, you see that they are moving more or less in the same way. Canonical is even going through the pain of reinventing the UI because they want to be more user friendly.
By the way, I installed the Mint desktop on the Ubuntu 11.10 VM I'm experimenting with because I discovered that I can't stand Unity or Gnome Shell. They're both very unfriendly to me but I understand how they could be better suited to some casual users or (in the case of Unity) to devices with a small screen.
I see you've been modded funny but I don't think that it was the aim of your post.
You might want to read the "world is ruled by ducks"-part.
Huh, I wonder why more people prefer Android, a Linux OS, to say, iOS then.
Linux was even created because Linus wanted a free UNIX like desktop I'm sorry but you're mistaken. You can read the history of Linux's early days writted by Torvalds here. I quote him, bold is mine.
It is currently meant for hackers interested in operating systems and 386's with access to minix. [...] I can (well, almost) hear you asking yourselves "why?". Hurd will be out in a year (or two, or next month, who knows), and I've already got minix. This is a program for hackers by a hacker. I've enjouyed [sic] doing it, and somebody might enjoy looking at it and even modifying it for their own needs. It is still small enough to understand, use and modify, and I'm looking forward to any comments you might have.
You're probably right on the other point
Since the beginning Linux users have touted how this will be the year of Linux on desktop
This is probably never going to happen (not with a substantial market share) but 2011 was the year of Linux in the pocket (remember Linux is only the kernel) and 2012 could be the year of Linux on the desk.
because Linux users very much have wanted Linux to be number #1 on desktop
That's unbelievable right? As if Mac users wouldn't like to see their platform to become the number 1.
Most people are pretty lazy unless they're paid not to be, or they care for some other reason.
Corollary: Most people don't care unless they're getting paid.
Can we please stop drooling about office equipment.
What's the next hype? Printers with built-in book-binders? Talking paperclips that can also listen?
If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
Maybe the creators of Linux (and naturally the various flavours of Unix it comes from) also thought about users, but simply had a different subset of users in mind?
Yes, The subset of users that think about other people in terms of set theory.
Before the iPhone, Apple's Stunning Phone From 1983
Before everyone gets carried away with patent this and patent that. I'd bet if a lot of companies opened the concepts they were working on but never made, there would be a lot of both cool examples and a lot of similarities.
It should say "Before the iPhone, Apple's Stunning Failure From 1983."
because its cheap in the short term, just like Windows
Maybe the creators of Linux (and naturally the various flavours of Unix it comes from) also thought about users, but simply had a different subset of users in mind?
Like ducks?
If they were not concerned with technical details, why was the touchscreen operated by a stylus? Isn't a finger a superior pointing device?
I think you're missing a subtlety here, Linux users DO want to mess with command line settings and tools.
Apple users don't, and therefore they don't get them. No one tool is best for all jobs or all users.
There is a false dichotomy in technological discussions that technological options can be ranked on a one-dimensional matrix.
The question is, and always has been, which is better overall? While citing best and worst examples from both camps can be illuminating, it does not make for proof that one is better than the other.
That's probably because both are valid approaches which solve different problems. The Cathedral produces refined solutions which do one thing. The Bazaar produces a multitude of solutions which the Cathedral will knock off in their own image when the market chooses the most popular one[s].
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I think you are comparing apples with oranges.
Apples and oranges are both fruit which can be peeled, eaten, juiced, or even separated into slices. That's a stupid saying.
Linux is not a company so it doesn't have the same goals as a company.
Yes, that is the whole point of this thread.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Citations?
It seems to me, that the original announcement about Linux didn't claim to have a desktop OS ready for use. In fact, it seemed to me like he was announcing something that may or may not work for some obscure purposes, of which he only had some vague ideas at the time. He sort implied that he hoped it might be comparable with Unix, with some maturity. I don't think he even used the word "compete".
Go on, look it up, and see what he actually posted, way back when. But, be sure to put your own mind into way-back-when, and make sure you understand what he was trying to accomplish. Forget about SCO, forget about Win95, forget about all the fancy GUI's you've seen since then. Go back in time, in your own mind, then read Linus' announcement that he had something just about good enough for people to hack at.
Years later, in hindsight, perhaps he may have wished that Linux was less embedded in the server world, and more conspicuous on the desktop. Then again, I don't really think he cares a whole lot.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
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"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
i can't read that, too tiny
Pretty sure you get all the common *nix command line niceties out of the box on OSX - not on iOS tho, of course.
All Mac-using *nix admins I know are rather happy with it (also terminal windows look gorgeous with Monaco).
It's nice but does the on screen keyboard support Swype?
(Yes I am being facetious with EXTRA feces).
Silence is a state of mime.
Old news is so exciting.
Looks almost like a touch screen version of an Apple][C. Now THAT would have been cool in 1983, perhaps even cooler than the Mac which came out the next year.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Yeah .. that's exactly why Apple has grabbed the market share in computers and phones. Because it doesn't matter how much it costs as long as the user likes it.
Apple is successful if one defines success as making huge markups on specialty items through the control of most of the hardware, software, and media channels that are needed to use the items.
By that same token, any monopoly can be successful, and that's how Apple operates.
I'm sure the reason this phone never made it because there was no demand for it. Who wants to spend large sums of money for a dedicated computer attached to a phone that can only be used for phone tasks?? Today's smartphones really took off when games and useful apps could be downloaded to them. The costs at the time would have put the phone above $500, hardly available for just anyone as shown by the lack of mobile phones in cars at the time. And the iDrones weren't around yet, so no one was going to go out and buy it simply because it said 'Apple'.
There are many 'concept' items out there that show what companies are thinking. And most of them never show up simply because they cost too much to make for the demand that is expected.
I rarely read replies, it's my opinion and if you thought about your opinion a little more, I'm OK with that.
We tell people we use Linux because it's secure....google will tell you the rest of the story, bottom line: Linux is fun.
I though Steve Jobs designed all Apple stuff, because he always go all the credit?
As a Mac user...
I would not like to see it become #1, unless it was a plurality #1. I don't really care about Apple's profits except that I hope they're enticing enough for apple to keep making useful, pretty things that use unix under the hood, and selling at a price-point that I can afford to buy them. I don't need to have my purchase decision validated by the actions of other consumers.
I think that means they need to be at least a little bit hungry. #1 (at least the way MS is #1) in desktops would not be helpful to that end. 10% is plenty, IMO.
I don't think this would be an issue with a Linux as #1 scenario, as linux isn't a product, it's a field - even in a 90% linux scenario, there would still be dozens of companies all making their own improvements, some of which would get incorporated into the main line over time, and all those companies competing with each other for your custom.
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MS and tablet users don't get them.
Apple users still have the command line, and there are some tweaks that can only be done with it in OS X. For instance, many of the sleep/hibernate settings are hidden under pmset, and there are a tone of "defaults write com.apple..." snippets out there.
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
If they were not concerned with technical details, why was the touchscreen operated by a stylus? Isn't a finger a superior pointing device?
It is now. But even as late as the mid-1990's, capacitive touchscreens were nowhere near as accurate as resistive touch screens, and resistive touch screens were a lot cheaper. That's why the early Palm Pilots, the Apple Newton, and other similar devices all used a stylus instead of a capacitive touch screen. It's really only quite recently that the capacitive touch screen has been accurate and cheap enough to be used in a device like a phone.
Apple almost certainly thought of their users wanting to use a finger. And finger touch screens did exists (mostly using infra-red), but they either weren't as accurate, or weren't as cheap as resistive screens. :) It's most likely a compromise that's been made to keep costs down.
There is a reason why the cathedral went to the moon. It's more efficient than the bazaar.
So, why do you think Apple is successful and Linux isn't?
Assuming you are referring to Linux as in "Linux on the desktop", it's because the masses prefer the friendly confines of a walled garden over the freedom to run a lot of half-baked free software. (Sorry, I had a bad day a few weeks ago when the latest kmail2 that ships with Ubuntu 11.10 ate all of my mail, prompting countless wasted hours reinstalling older software, restoring from backups, etc).
If you're referring to Linux in general, the reality is that Linux is actually way more successful than Apple, if you measure success in terms of deployed instances. I have no less than 9 embedded machines running Linux in my household if you include my and my wife's Android phones. Even if I chose iPhones over Android, the score would still be 7 to 2. I suspect even the households of Apple fan-people typically hold more Linux products than Apple products - they just don't realize it.
Have gnu, will travel.
Was invented by Phillipe Kahn. Say what you will but the man was ahead of his time. Borland made great products and was only defeated by skulduggery by Microsoft and an out and out fraudulent lawsuit brought by Lotus.
Hey KID! Yeah you, get the fuck off my lawn!
My preferred phone is the Western Electric 2500 set, which was the norm back in that era for home and business use.
In the early to mid 1980s that size of an LCD display was fragile and very sensitive to the temperature of the room it was in. The prototype is obviously a 'concept' device. Anybody who has dealt with vintage Apple gear from that time knows that it would have to be conserved in a museum, i.e. the Stanford location where the only remaining example of this phone is kept.
Can someone explain to me how you managed to prepare this entire post the same minute that the story was posted? You aren't a subscriber.
The question is, and always has been, which is better overall? While citing best and worst examples from both camps can be illuminating, it does not make for proof that one is better than the other.
That's probably because both are valid approaches which solve different problems. The Cathedral produces refined solutions which do one thing. The Bazaar produces a multitude of solutions which the Cathedral will knock off in their own image when the market chooses the most popular one[s].
Wow, you don't think knock offs are being created on both sides of this? Anything that isn't nailed down with IP law gets copied.
Stanford been working on cataloging and curating it for years. It is hardly a 'secret'.
The bulk of it was from the former Apple Library and from a collection that Apple was building to start a museum when the Infinite Loop campus was opened.
When the campus opened, there were retail stores across the DeAnza Boulevard side of IL. The Museum was supposed to be in one of those.
One by one, they have all been forced out with the exception of the Company Store in front of IL1.
Cars and houses both have doors and windows, both use some form of gas and electricity, both are designed to hold people and protect them from the elements, both have air conditioning, and entertainment features, and even both have carpets. So by your definition or by everybody else's, comparing a car to a house is like comparing apples to oranges.
Hey, it's got rounded corners...
Yeah, because the vast majority of the popular Android phones are so much cheaper than iPhones. Oh wait...
If macs ever go mainstream, I'm no longer going to be a fan.
Likely the same reason why people flock to MS Windows ... cause they don't know any better.
I wonder if Dev Team has been working on a jailbreak since 1983.
So, why do you think Apple is successful and Linux isn't?
Because Linux Fans like you have to even ask.
Fandroids hate facts.
I would love, love, love to have a regular cordless house phone that's as smart as an iPhone/Android/whatever. I still use my house landline some and I wish it were not so dumb. The best trick my home phone does is match incoming Caller ID to laboriously-entered contacts.
The base station could double as a wireless access point and it would include a digital voicemail recorder which could be accessed with the handset and operate like the iPhone's visual voicemail. The handset could transmit calls to the base station with 5.8 GHz like a regular cordless (remember that word?) phone or it could be done with WiFi. Since it wouldn't be for carrying out and about, it could be as big as the late Dell Streak 5. You could use it as a regular phone or run Skype or Google Voice or any other VOIP client. Maybe the base station could run Asterisk. The possibilities are endless.
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For a given definition of efficient. The cathedral model can be extraordinarily good at reaching difficult but definable goals, such as landing on the moon or developing the atomic bomb. But it's pretty hopeless when it comes to reaching hard to define goals - I can't imagine a Kennedy 'go to the moon' speech with the contemporary internet as the end result, for example - the contemporary internet is something that developed through bazaar-style accretion and the outcomes of putting all these random bits and pieces together keeps producing 'end results' that few people anticipate when they developed their little bits of it.
The other efficiency problem with the cathedral is it frequently comes up with really expensive solutions. A cathedral approach certainly got to the moon *first*, but resulted a grand total of 12 people walking on the moon, and you'll notice no-one has stepped onto the moon in nearly 40 years. On the other hand, sometime in the next 40 years you'll almost certainly see people walk on the moon again courtesy of spacecraft developed through the kind of bazaar-like processes that have brought the price of air travel within reach of a lot of humanity - lots of companies and individuals all tweaking on various parts of the process in search of cheaper and better ways of doing things over long periods of time.
I think you're missing a subtlety here, Linux users DO want to mess with command line settings and tools.
Apple users don't, and therefore they don't get them. No one tool is best for all jobs or all users.
Actually, Mac OS X is a *certified* UNIX, along with Solaris, AIX, and HP/UX. What command line tools do you think it doesn't have?
Linux isn't a UNIX, it's a unix-like system.
An LCD panel for the A][c came out in 1984, so the touch panel on the phone was doable. The size of the phone is doable because there is no keyboard, floppy drive, expansion slots, etc. And the styling is doable because many companies have corporate design guidelines which make there products look similar. As to why this made it into /. ? must have been a slow news day. Every company experiments, just one item of many.
My home is mobile, you insensitive clod!
And you didnt read his whole post.
I just ignored that part, assuming it was some Apple auto-correct doing a poor job as I understand is common.
Max.
I work at frog and have had the pleasure of seeing a number of cool apple artifacts including the form factor prototype on the Lisa... really gets my geek off.
I was thinking more along the lines of themselves and people like them. You know, people who already use Unix, computer geeks, etc. I'm not sure ducks are even in the set of what you would call users in this context. I'm pretty sure that most computer using ducks are using kiosk-type systems where the underlying OS is completely irrelevant. In any case, I'm pretty sure they never get to choose their OS.
> not on iOS tho, of course
Why should that be obvious? I can on my Android phone, it's just linux.
You know who else got laughed at? Churchill, that's who. I find nothing funny about our aquatic avian overlords, in fact I'd say they are worse than Hitler.
I respect that Apple likes good industrial design. What I don't respect is that they seem to value their own interpretations of what people want versus what actual people want. There is a healthy streak of "our way is better, people will get used to it" in their design choices.
So by your definition or by everybody else's, comparing a car to a house is like comparing apples to oranges.
If you're making comparisons that don't require discussing mobility, you can make a meaningful comparison between a house and a car. But if you really think that is parallel to what I've said (both fruits is parallel to both vehicles or buildings which is not the case here) then you need a tighter grasp on English, logic, or both.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I'm not shilling for anyone but can see different companies doing different things better than others and just state my honest opinions about them
You're definitely new here.
Most of the stuff on
you dont have to say something in order to imply it.
Ask mommy what that means.
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If you would have typed that 10 years ago, you would have been laughed out of the room as your typing it.
This is a sad day for the tech industry...
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Yeah, because the vast majority of the popular Android phones are so much cheaper than iPhones. Oh wait...
Galaxy S II costs $199 vs. iPhone 4S $299 at AT&T.
Fandroids hate facts.
There is a prototype for a for an Apple phone that was either a cross between a powerbook and a fax machine or a newton and a fax machine. I couldn't find it searching Google, but it had either a newton color or a powerbook color.
-- Matthew Johnson
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Fandroids hate facts.
AC didn't say that you have to be a fag to like apple. But, he stated the truth - Apple does appeal to fags. Next time you're in some gay coffee bar, tapping away on your gayPad, look around you, and see how many gays are also tapping away at their own gayPads. It's safe to say that possession of a gayProduct is an indicator on anyone gayDar.
Something tells me that you had an embarrassing experience where you hit on some dude with an iPad and he told you that you were barking up the wrong tree and that the lady sitting at the table with him was his wife.
Man, that must have been so awkward for you.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
It's obviously copypasta.