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SCADA Vulnerabilities In Prisons Could Open Cell Doors

Orome1 writes "Many prisons and jails use SCADA systems with PLCs to open and close doors. Using original and publicly available exploits along with evaluating vulnerabilities in electronic and physical security designs, researchers discovered significant vulnerabilities in PLCs used in correctional facilities by being able to remotely flip the switches to 'open' or 'locked closed' on cell doors and gates."

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  1. U.S. prison system is flawed by SharkLaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The SCADA system isn't flawed, the whole prison system in U.S. is. Not only have studies shown that there is no need for such locked down prison facilities, but it's also demonstrated by real life experiences in Norway. Almost all of Norway's prisons are open. Their objective isn't locking down people but correct behaviour. The purpose is to create real life environment, complete with saunas, sunbeds and own rooms and furniture. It makes much more sense too. If you just lock down people for years they are always going to stay criminals. If you try to correct their behaviour and reintroduce them to system and proper behavior, they will learn and also stay out of prisons in future. It's very telling that U.S. has one of the highest percentages of their people in prisons. That system clearly isn't working.

    1. Re:U.S. prison system is flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's very telling that U.S. has one of the highest percentages of their people in prisons. That system clearly isn't working.

      The more people in jail, the more money the private companies running the jails make. The system is working as designed.

    2. Re:U.S. prison system is flawed by SharkLaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You need to look at complete picture when fixing bugs and vulnerabilities. There wouldn't be need for any SCADA system to begin with if U.S. fixed its prison system. Currently it's only making money for those who own prisons. It's mind blowing that something like prisons would be commercially run.

    3. Re:U.S. prison system is flawed by billcopc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The purpose of the U.S. system isn't to rehabilitate criminals, it's to generate profits.

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    4. Re:U.S. prison system is flawed by SharkLaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Look what happened when there was that shooter at the kids' camp. The police did not even know how to respond.

      Yes they did, but the shooter had planned it well. First bomb in city center and then go to an island to shoot kids. It would had been disaster everywhere in world.

      The United States is not Norway. Norway does not have violent illegal immigrant gangbangers. If they did, they would have to create a real prison system.

      Which is mostly caused by the stupid war on drugs. If you just let your people get high there wouldn't be any reason for such violent immigrant crimes that mostly come from Mexico. There was lots of crime involving bootleg alcohol when it was banned too. All that went away when alcohol was legalized.

    5. Re:U.S. prison system is flawed by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Informative

      Are you serious? This is painfully trivial to find with Google Scholar.

      Education or punishment? Reformatory schools in Norway, 18401950 Education or punishment? Reformatory schools in Norway, 18401950
      Daddy in Prison: An Evaluation (Norwegian)
      The prison reform movement: Forlorn hope
      People's Justice - A Major Poll of Public Attitudes on Crime and Punishment
      Wilful Obstruction - The Frustration of Prison Reform
      Reaffirming Rehabilitation


      On top of that you have the highly conservative Daily Mail, as the grandparent poster linked, stating unabashedly that the system on Bastoy has proven itself as being more effective than Norwegian closed (traditional) prisons, which is a position that is quite controversial for the newspaper and not at all towing the party line. That may not have the integrity of a longitudinal study conducted by unbiased researchers, but the tour escort is quoted as saying that there has only been one attempted escape in all of Bastoy's years of operation, and that the region has the lowest re-offending rate in all of Europe despite Norway's absence of a death penalty or life sentence. These are not light claims.

      Next time please RTFA and JFGI.

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    6. Re:U.S. prison system is flawed by SpiralSpirit · · Score: 5, Informative

      Norway is an entirely different country with a far more homogeneous population and completely different social dynamics. At the prison you mention re-offend rates were 16%. At a normal Norwegian prison (not the cushy kind) re-offend rates were only 20% - 4% more. Recidivism varies per state in the US. Arizona is pretty close to norway with 24.6%. Nevada was at 29.2. California was at 70% and connecticut was at 56%. There are social issues involved. wikipedia says that in NYC, police arrest 200k black males every year, out of a total population of 1200k. 1/6th of that particular group gets arrested EVERY YEAR. You can't solve that problem by making jail more inviting, but you can't necessarily solve it by making jail worse. Thats why its a difficult dilemma - it isn't easy to solve.

    7. Re:U.S. prison system is flawed by Genda · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is a fundamentalist, puritanical desire to render retribution from prisoners instead of addressing the real underlying issues. The current system is disaster to the guilty it warehouses and an obscenity to the innocent people wrongly convicted. Its just easier to blame people, have public lynchings and dispose of the bodies, than actually look at the issues of organized crime, drug abuse, violence in our culture and what is quickly becoming a nation which criminalizes its poor. Growing studies show that there is no justice in the justice system. Cameron Todd Willingham was executed in Texas this year, with what amounts now to a mountain of evidence that he was innocent of any crime. Confronted with either looking soft on crime or doing the right thing, Governor Perry chose instead to have an innocent man executed. Capital punishment is the new coliseum. There isn't a single sane argument that supports capital punishment.

      Prison's should be divided into those who can be rehabilitated and those that can't or shouldn't be. Both sides of the prison can do useful work, earn a wage that provides for their families, restitution to victims and pay their own cost of living. For those in the side supporting rehabilitation, giving them job skills and real life skills, that will serve them when they leave will dramatically reduce recidivism. Separating career criminals from young people who made a mistake, is a vital step in ending the criminal cycle. Keeping the most dangerous and violent offenders separate, and ensuring that they aren't in a position to do harm, will immediately enhance the security for both guards and inmates.

  2. This is a duplicate from November. by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative
  3. Slashdot and SCADA by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is Slashdot's submission system running on SCADA? I ask because we this "duplicate story" vulnerability keeps popping up.

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  4. I was in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Let me tell you something here. I just got out of a state prison in the US 2 months ago. I served 10 years (and yes I have a /. account, my old pre-prison one is here to but I don't remember the password, I am not going to suffer the flaming rantings of trolls to my account so I am posting this AC).

    I did the crime. Did I deserve punishment for what I did? Definitely, I hurt a lot of people through my actions, not just my victim. However, while I cannot speak for the system in other countries, the system here is very flawed. It gives lip service to rehabilitation, but does very little to actually produce it. In my experience, most of the teachers and counselors in prison are there for two reasons. One, they could not hold a real teaching or counseling job because they were incompetent, lazy, or both. Two, the prison system gives them a place where they can sit, collect great benefits and have inmates do most of the work. I tutored in a Software class for 7 years while I was inside and the the teacher could not even be bothered to learn windows XP (her mind was stuck on DOS and didn't know that well). She was well meaning, but also ignorant and clueless. There are exceptions to this, but it is largely the rule.

    The system is hugely exploitative. In the Virginia system you have Virginia Correctional Enterprises. In the Feds you have FPI, and other states have similar programs. They pay more than any other job in prison (I made .45c /hr as a tutor and that was the highest non industry pay available). They still only pay at most $2.00/hr or so. Now, I know the state is housing, feeding, and guarding you but if you work in industry, you will make uniforms, or furniture, or other things that a PRIVATE COMPANY is making millions on, and you don't have enough to send home or pay child support. Oh, yeah in VA they can garnish a $50/month paycheck for child support while you are incarcerated.

    The system is corrupt. I am not just talking about low level corruption of correctional officers accepting bribes or smuggling contraband, which havens daily. But on and up to the top. From administrative staff skimming commissary funds to hold officer parties, to buying equipment for a band room on state funds, never opening the band room then selling the equipment. I saw the latter one happen myself. Hell in VA the state code gives the director of DOC the permission to take bribes and kickbacks!

    5. To accept, hold and enjoy gifts, donations and bequests on behalf of the Department from the United States government and agencies and instrumentalities thereof, and any other source, subject to the approval of the Governor. To these ends, the Director shall have the power to comply with such conditions and execute such agreements as may be necessary, convenient or desirable, consistent with applicable standards and goals of the Board;

    I have to give a view (somewhat) from the other side as well. I have seen posts recommending separating the 'bad' criminals from the ones who can be rehabilitated. How do you propose to do that? Based on the crime? Their behavior while imprisoned? I spent ten years inside and there are people who are so good at gaming and manipulating ANY system it would make your jaw drop. I personally am not good at manipulating people and don't want to be, but in order to survive there were many times I had to bend and break the rules. For me, it was making my own soldering gun and tools and collecting contraband parts to repair other inmates electronics. (Most people don't want to fuck with the guy who can fix their TV for them cheaply when it breaks). For others it might be stealing supplies or running a gambling pool. Finding the right way to classify and group prisoners is an exceedingly difficult prospect, and to be quite frank, most of the staff and administration at these facilities (at least in my exp