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What a Black Box Data Dump Looks Like

An anonymous reader writes "Massachusetts Lt. Governor Tim Murray recently crashed his Ford Crown Victoria while reportedly traveling 108 mph. The car was pretty much shredded, but Murray walked away without major injuries. According to data from the car's black box, Murray and the Crown Vic experienced the equivalent of 40 gravities during the crash. The data contradicts the story he gave police. Maybe we should strap black boxes to all our politicians."

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  1. Disclaimer by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a disclaimer right there on page one:


    Accident reconstructionists must be aware of the limitations of the data recorded... should compare the recorded data with the physical evidence...

    Those disclaimers do mean things. The data was never intended to be used as a "black box"; That's purely media hyperbole comparing it to what's in an aircraft, which is designed to aid in accident reconstruction. The courts routinely dismiss GPS tracking data on phones used as evidence that the driver wasn't speeding because the device isn't meant to be used for that, and isn't precise enough anyway. An officer's radar gun, however, is.

    That said... let us all look to the sky now and return to mumblings about conspiracies between or about the government and/or insurance companies.

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  2. Re:Engineering by Binestar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Examples like this are what I use to counter people who say regulation is horrible, free market should reign uncontrolled. Cars weren't and would not be this safe without regulation enforcing it.

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  3. Re:Advice by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or you could, you know, drive responsibly and treat your car like the potential deadly weapon that it is. So when the insurance company looks at the black box data, it matches your story.

    As long as the data is read by an independent third party and made available to the driver (and his lawyer), the black box data shouldn't be something to fear.

  4. Re:Engineering by omnichad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those crumple zones protect the other driver too. There's a reason they don't make cars like they used to. And that regulation protects ME from YOU.

  5. Re:Advice by mr1911 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I either have to break the law or ride in fear of instant decapitation from the seatbelt in case of a crash

    You are suffering from irrational fear. If the accident is severe enough for a seatbelt to decapitate you, you will certainly not survive without the seatbelt.

    On the other hand, it is not unreasonable that you will be in an accident of such severity that you would not be decapitated by a seatbelt but seriously injured or killed if not wearing it.

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  6. Re:Advice by silverhalide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop right there. This is hands down the shittiest advice I've ever seen posted to a forum that could get someone killed. I really hope you're trolling. Saying air bags aren't designed for seatbelt use is completely ignorant and life-threateningly wrong. In fact, it's quite the opposite, an airbag could potentially kill you if you use it without a seatbelt.

    While I don't like calling people names in forums, you are an ignorant idiot that could get someone killed if they follow your advice and get in a wreck.

    Passive restraint systems ARE without a shred of doubt designed for maximum effectiveness with the active restraints in place. It's a SYSTEM. You could, for example, fly over the steering wheel airbag if you're not wearing the belt. OEM seatbelts are designed with a very carefully calibrated amount of "stretch" to them that will give in a crash too. Changing these out is potential suicide. You are not a crash safety engineer, and god help us if you ever become one. Leave that to the pros. Wear your OEM, crash-tested seatbelts and never ever touch the airbag system.

  7. Re:Advice by onkelonkel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Most people would say they aren't especially comfortable

    Oddly enough, I feel uncomfortable when I don't have a seatbelt on. It feels like nothing is keeping me in my seat. I know it's all in my head, but for me it's one more reason to wear the seatbelt.

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