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Canadian Gov't Considers Plan To Block Public Domain

An anonymous reader writes "Canada celebrated New Year's Day this year by welcoming the likes of Ernest Hemingway and Carl Jung into the public domain just as European countries were celebrating the arrival of James Joyce and Virginia Woolf, 20 years after both entered the Canadian public domain. The Canadian government is now considering a plan to enter trade negotiations that would extend the term of copyright by 20 years, meaning nothing new would enter the public domain in Canada until at least 2032. The government is holding a public consultation with the chance for Canadians to speak out to save the public domain."

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  1. For me, this begs the question by jtseng · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who's paying for this legislation? Is it the same cast of characters that does the same shenanigans in the US?

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    1. Re:For me, this begs the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This raises a question. Unless you are down on your knees, pleading hopelessly with a language construct. I beg of you to please know what the phrase "begs the question" means. Please!

    2. Re:For me, this begs the question by doconnor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Corporate political donations are banned in Canada and individual donations are limited, so it's not the money. It's just that the elected leaders happen to believe corporations should get whatever they want.

    3. Re:For me, this begs the question by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wait, and you believe for a second that they change anything?

      They can't make donations, but they can let politicians into their swanky dinner parties for free.

      And they can let the politicians and their families borrow their stately manor in the Muskokas.

      And so on and so forth. Don't think for a second our corrupt collection of assholes in parliament aren't still benefitting HUGELY from these corporations.

    4. Re:For me, this begs the question by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Plus this is a media lobby - they can offer discounted TV slots, or better slots, or favorable news coverage. It doesn't even have to be a shady under-the-table deal - any politician can work out that the media will be on good terms with him if he is with them.

    5. Re:For me, this begs the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Language loses value as we stop using it correctly. People can no longer use the phrase correctly. Now politicians can give half answers and people don't know how to describe it. Thanks for making English suck.

      You probably also think a "hacker" is a mean guy that steals money from your bank account too, don't you? And that virii is the plural for computer virus. And when you illegally download a Metallica song, you're a thief. I mean, language evolves. Get over it.

    6. Re:For me, this begs the question by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

      This raises a question. Unless you are down on your knees, pleading hopelessly with a language construct. I beg of you to please know what the phrase "begs the question" means. Please!

      It beggars belief.

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    7. Re:For me, this begs the question by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corporate political donations are banned in Canada and individual donations are limited, so it's not the money. It's just that the elected leaders happen to believe corporations should get whatever they want.

      You've never met a politician who wasn't rewarded for loyalty after they left office. This is the retirement plan for a large share of the US House and Senate.

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    8. Re:For me, this begs the question by spottedkangaroo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Their point is that he didn't use it correctly in the hundreds years old sense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begs_the_question

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    9. Re:For me, this begs the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Language loses value as we stop using it correctly. People can no longer use the phrase correctly. Now politicians can give half answers and people don't know how to describe it. Thanks for making English suck.

      If that's how you feel, why don't you still talk like Chaucer? You would have to sound a lot more like Dutch and German as well by the way to stick to the "pure" Chaucerian English.

    10. Re:For me, this begs the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wait, and you believe for a second that they change anything?

      They can't make donations, but they can let politicians into their swanky dinner parties for free.

      And they can let the politicians and their families borrow their stately manor in the Muskokas.

      And so on and so forth. Don't think for a second our corrupt collection of assholes in parliament aren't still benefitting HUGELY from these corporations.

      Left out the corporate jobs they seem to move into with relative ease once out of office...

    11. Re:For me, this begs the question by advocate_one · · Score: 2
      I have to declare the value of every meal I get taken out on by our clients & other 'gifts' if the total per day comes over £40... and even have to pay bl00dy tax on the benefit I've received... how come these swine get away with this?

      Note, there are moves afoot in the UK to start chasing our politicians on these house & boat lendings and other entertainment schemes to get them for the tax on the equivalent benefit in kind...

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    12. Re:For me, this begs the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who's paying for this legislation? Is it the same cast of characters that does the same shenanigans in the US?

      It's the Extreme Right of the Stephen Harper Conservatives. They are pro-corporate and anti-consumer. Some of the Harper Conservative initiatives:
      - eliminate universal health care
      - support warrantless internet surveillance
      - support Internet Usage Based Billing (reversed stance do to public outcry just before election, though the government passed a watered-down UBB-type measures afterwords)
      - increase criminal penalties for recreational drug violations (and spend billions of dollars on new penitentiaries during an economic crisis)
      - eliminate and weaken gun control legislation (he stated, for example that people who refuse to register fire arms with the government will make criminals out of innocent citizens)
      - supported increased censorship of the Internet and movie industries
      - unequivocal support for the state of Israel and rejection of any Palestinian claims
      - constantly campaigns to lower taxes on corporations
      - wants to eliminate any form of social welfare
      - took a leadership role in rejecting Kyoto
      - is a global warming denier
      - is anti-abortion (and of course, is pro-death penalty)
      - likes to do business with the corrupt Chinese government and their corporations
      - The Wikileaks people discovered that the Harper Conservatives secretly urged the United States to put Canada on a worst-offenders list of copyright violators and bittorent users (to help with the pro-copyright propaganda campaigns)

      Here are some Stephen Harper quotes:

      Human rights commissions, as they are evolving, are an attack on our fundamental freedoms and the basic existence of a democratic society... It is in fact totalitarianism. I find this is very scary stuff.

      [Regarding the lies that the second Iraq War was based on, and the terrorism that resulted from it:]
      On the justification for the war, it wasn't related to finding any particular weapon of mass destruction.

      We should have been there shoulder to shoulder with our allies. Our concern is the instability of our government as an ally. We are playing again with national and global security matters.

      ===

      I believe that all taxes are bad.

      In terms of the unemployed... don't feel particularly bad for many of these people. They don't feel bad about it themselves, as long as they're receiving generous social assistance and unemployment insurance.

      [S]ome basic facts about Canada that are relevant to my talk... Canada is a Northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term, and very proud of it.

      Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.

      Canada appears content to become a second-tier socialistic country, boasting ever more loudly about its economy and social services to mask its second-rate status.

      Same sex marriage is not a human right. ... [U]ndermining the traditional definition of marriage is an assault on multiculturalism and the practices in those communities.

      These proposals included cries for billions of new money for social assistance in the name of âoechild povertyâ...

      If Ottawa giveth, then Ottawa can taketh away⦠This is oÂne more reason why Westerners, but Albertans in particular, need to think hard about their future in this country. After sober reflection, Albertans should decide that it is time to seek a new relationship with Canada. â¦Having hit a wall, the next logical step is not to bang our heads against it. It is to take the bricks and begin building another home â" a stronger and much more autonomous Alberta. It is time to look at Quebec and to learn.

      "activist judges" [I can't seem to find a direct quote, but there are references to Harper complaining about "liberal activist judges".]

      And finally, not Harper himself, but one of his henchmen calling pe

    13. Re:For me, this begs the question by bennomatic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You don't go far enough. The first recorded usage of "begs the question" was in Greek. Archaic Greek.

      We have a perfectly good term for the anachronistic meaning of "begs the question", and that is "circular argument". The common usage of the phrase makes much more sense than the official usage, if only because the official usage requires a unique definition of "beg" which is basically never used outside of that context.

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    14. Re:For me, this begs the question by s4ltyd0g · · Score: 2

      Lingua mortua non mutationis.

    15. Re:For me, this begs the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yep. When people are lose with language, words loose their meaning.

    16. Re:For me, this begs the question by Minwee · · Score: 3, Funny

      Language evolves. Everyone knows what he meant. Shut the fuck up.

      Indeed. He meant "I don't know what this phrase means but I'm going to use it anyway".

    17. Re:For me, this begs the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention that Brian Mulroney was caught taking envelopes full of hundreds of thousands of dollars, cash, in shady hotel rooms.

      If he was caught doing it, they are all doing it, just not getting caught. The laws don't really mean that much in this regard.

    18. Re:For me, this begs the question by Hatta · · Score: 4, Informative

      We have a perfectly good term for the incorrect usage of "begs the question", and that is "raises the question". For the technically correct usage of the term, there is no exact synonym in English. From Wikipedia:

      "Circular reasoning is different from the informal logical fallacy "begging the question", as it is fallacious due to a flawed logical structure and not the individual falsity of an unstated hidden co-premise as begging the question is."

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    19. Re:For me, this begs the question by cforciea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I get what point you were trying to make, but you couldn't have picked a worse example. Do you have any idea how many new words Shakespeare coined?

    20. Re:For me, this begs the question by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2

      Here in the US, and I would imagine in Canada, too, another tactic is to give cushy, ill-defined, high-paying jobs to the family members of government officials. There are many examples (like Michelle Obama), but consider Susan Bayh. She's an attorney. According to Wikipedia:

      "An Indiana newspaper listed eight corporations of which Bayh was a director, as of 2006.[1] Bayh began serving on corporate boards in 1994 and has since served on the boards of 14 corporations, including the insurance, pharmaceutical, and food processing industries."

    21. Re:For me, this begs the question by RobertLTux · · Score: 2

      English is the language known for dragging other languages into a dark alley beating it up and then checking its pockets for loose grammar. (linguists challenge: id which words actually came from some other language in this and the previous sentence)

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    22. Re:For me, this begs the question by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Who do we vote for then is the question, I've found liberals past pretty horrific when it comes to deficits which I dont believe in.

      Also I dont agree with NDP as I believe in less government rather than more.

      Who does someone like me vote for?

      The Liberals ran a surplus for over 10 years. The Conservatives have been running a deficit for the last 4 years while cutting taxes and growing government and yet you believe the right wing propaganda that they believe in smaller government and being fiscally responsible. Look at their actions, not what they say.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_public_debt

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    23. Re:For me, this begs the question by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you think that "raises the question" isn't a good enough synonym for the incorrect usage "begs the question" feel free to use one of the other phrases you came up with. "Begs the question" is taken.

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    24. Re:For me, this begs the question by JonySuede · · Score: 2

      Why does the SQ, the SPVM and the OPP all wants a copy of this useless boondoggle ? and by the way the goal was not to catch anyone but to reduce risk in case of domestic violence and mental health issues...

      Which it has failed to do completely. In canada the vast majority aren't firearms, they're physical assaults. And the vast majority of gun offences are with hand guns. So, why do you want to use something that has done nothing but cost money? And has done nothing but to track lawfully abiding citizens who were already abiding the firearms laws on non-restricted, restricted, and forbidden weapons?

      You do not hear about non event. You can only look at statistic and Edmonton is the city with the highest murder rate in Canada. And they have the one only police chief oppose to the register. If I was looking for efficiency in policing I would be looking at Guelph city and Quebec city and avoiding the western style of law enforcement like the failure it is... http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2011001/article/11523-eng.pdf

      Equality before the law is....

      Already exists. What you're looking for is exemption outside of the law.

      Do I have to remind you that marriage is part of the civil law and that there are no laws to propagate this obligation to religions.

      Agreed, the HRC should be dissolve and existing laws and tribunal used instead...

      I'm guessing you don't know what you're talking about. Since that's exactly what the HRC has already done. Go read up about s.13, get back to me.

      Since when did the HRC (are we both talking about the Canadian Human Rights Commission) disband ?

      I you ask me we should vitrify that place and just forget about it and never try to create a state using force again!

      Balfour.

      It is called dark humour, not every one likes it... Who would be stupid enough to detonate enough material to vitrify the whole middle east, it would provoke a nuclear winter ;)

      Just like your post and mine !

      Right...

      It's called honesty...

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    25. Re:For me, this begs the question by Suddenly_Dead · · Score: 2

      Human rights commissions, as they are evolving, are an attack on our fundamental freedoms and the basic existence of a democratic society... It is in fact totalitarianism. I find this is very scary stuff.

      I don't like Harper. I don't like his party. I've posted one post in this thread about one of their stupid laws already.

      HOWEVER, this quote has been taken out of context. The human rights commissions he was talking about are quasi-judicial "court" with flimsy standards of evidence which does appear to be a threat to the freedoms of Speech and Thought. There's a whole Wikipedia article on criticisms of it.

      Come on, blindly supporting or attacking any politician is the sort of foolishness that gets us stuck with people like Harper.

    26. Re:For me, this begs the question by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      There is always the imfamous mass media interview. Friend of the corporate owners or enemies of the corporate owners, it shows up in the language and questions, what a joke thought, friends don't get asked questions, the whole interview is an acted out script.

      Those 'question' have been sent out to the corporate pet weeks ahead of time so a whole team can go through them to ensure the 'answers' sell what ever message they want to sell and the 'questions' are revised, added to and deleted to ensure the desired message is sold.

      So the greatest caimpagn dodge of all where corporations secretly donate millions of dollars, the PR=B$ interview trail. Just to make sure watch enemies attacked, slandered, leading questions on the self same fawning shows. Most amusing is when a pet poltician get's a bit uppity and thinks they can tell their media master's what's what, and those interviews all of a sudden start going off script and they are slapped down.

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    27. Re:For me, this begs the question by cas2000 · · Score: 2

      I thought the stupid question made him look like a fucking idiot.

      the monospace just intensified it :)

  2. Asking the public to save public domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The public domain needs to be defended from the government? That thing that supposedly represents the will of the public?

    Holy shit, what a world we live in.

  3. No, it IS the USA. by bussdriver · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wikileaks shows the US government and especially the State Dept. work on behalf of the big moneyed interests which historically were US organizations but not so much today. I'm just waiting for the day a leak shows them going to bat for Chinese interests.

    Just recently we have news of them actually threatening Spain to be more draconian and not that many years ago they were threatening Spain again but that time it was to allow GM foods wholly "owned" by Monsanto to the point where they were directly planning with Monsanto execs on the maneuver.

    Other nations do it a little but nobody has topped the USA at it; one of the few things we are still #1 at. (see France and the privatization of water.)

    1. Re:No, it IS the USA. by dbet · · Score: 2

      "I'm just waiting for the day a leak shows them going to bat for Chinese interests."

      Why wait? Corporations are international. All you need is one satellite office in Wisconsin and you can funnel money into the U.S. to pay politicians to do things.

      And of course that's fair, right? I mean, the U.S. pressures everyone else, it's not unreasonable that other places pressure the U.S.

  4. Sadly, this will pass by sinij · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sadly, this is all but done deal. Traditional Canadian values are being traded for closer ties with US. Conservative Harper government has an ability to pass this, in exchange getting border harmonization (less restrictions on shipping) with US.

    1. Re:Sadly, this will pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      With any luck, it will be like Canada's pot laws, which exist on paper just to prevent the USA from freaking out, but aren't actually enforced in Canada. Lawyers, judges and lawmakers don't know this, but cops do, and that's really all that matters.

    2. Re:Sadly, this will pass by broken_chaos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Harper wants to enforce minimum sentences on all drug offenses, including jail time. Really.

    3. Re:Sadly, this will pass by oldspicepuresport · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm no fan of Harper but that's just not true.

      Minimum sentences apply only under aggravating circumstances... like selling drugs on school property, selling drugs while armed with a gun, or selling drugs on behalf of organized crime.

      Sorry to let reality get in the way of your paranoid delusions. Really.

    4. Re:Sadly, this will pass by Suddenly_Dead · · Score: 4, Informative

      Minimum sentences apply only under aggravating circumstances...

      That's not true, unless you count recidivism as aggravating, and I would argue that in this case it really shouldn't be.

      (a) subject to paragraph (a.1), if the subject matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule I or II, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for life, and
      (i) to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year if
      (A) the person committed the offence for the benefit of, at the direction of or in association with a criminal organization, as defined in subsection 467.1(1) of the Criminal Code,
      (B) the person used or threatened to use violence in committing the offence,
      (C) the person carried, used or threat- ened to use a weapon in committing the offence, or
      (D) the person was convicted of a designated substance offence, or had served a term of imprisonment for a designated substance offence, within the previous 10 years, or

      Minimum 1-year if someone has been caught with drugs twice. The minimums you're talking about are also there: two years for on/near a school or any public place with minors, or if minors were involved at any point.

      It's also minimum 1-year for trafficking, and I'm assuming that would include "was smoking his marijuana with his buddies".

  5. Re:GIve me a break by ackthpt · · Score: 2

    This is getting beyond stupid.

    In Soviet Canada government blocks YOU, eh!

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  6. It is the money by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is the money being used to buy off US politicians, who then put pressure on Canadian politicians. The US is Canada's biggest trading partner and visa versa, so what the US wants has a big impact on what the Canadians do.

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  7. at some point by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    America has forgotten something important about canadian parliament. Namely, that it is a wholly divorced entity from the united states and free to make laws, rules and regulations sans-input from it; which is coincidentally completely divorced from the concept of 'soverign nationality.'

    if the wikileaks cables expose anything, its the fact that america hasnt just been instructing the cadence to which the world will march, its been fitting the boots and tightening the slacks in which the world marches as well.

    So as an american taxpayer who believes in a free and democratic, soverign nation for all those who seek it, I can only hope canada will through consideration completely disregard this attack on the rights and freedoms of canadian citizens.

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    1. Re:at some point by Nugoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      America has forgotten something important about canadian parliament. Namely, that it is a wholly divorced entity from the united states and free to make laws, rules and regulations sans-input from it; which is coincidentally completely divorced from the concept of 'soverign nationality.'

      More importantly, so has Canada.

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    2. Re:at some point by future+assassin · · Score: 4, Informative

      >I can only hope canada will through consideration completely disregard this attack on the rights and freedoms of canadian citizens.

      The Harper Government - yes they want to be called The Harper Gov instead of Government Of Canada will do no such thing, This will pass. Why? Well look what happened after the Wikileaks cables shwed that Canadian politicians where working hard to let the US see early drafts of our bills and OUR politicians were asking the US to put US on the 301 list. This hit a few news sites but NOTHING happened.

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  8. Can't we just drop the pretenses... by itsme1234 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... and just print some money and hand it to these bozos to leave us alone? I mean we can't pretend anymore that there's any fairness at all. Copyright was some kind of a deal in which both parties contributed with something: "the people" agreed to let "the authors" have some kind of unnatural monopoly over how some specific information is distributed with the understanding that they'll get back after a while some more interesting information in return. Free for share and for recycling in any way we see fit.
    Already life of the author plus 50 years or whatever is whatever relevant jurisdiction is ridiculously high and defeats the spirit of copyright. Heck, there's freakin' JULES VERNE still under copyright (and really hard to find if you are on the wrong continent).
    Life + 70 years is just a spit in the face. It should be like patents, about 20 years, with the need for explicit extensions. And a DRM-free copy of the original should be provided in escrow to some state organization which should make sure at the date when the copyright expires the DRM-free copy is available for everyone. Or you chose your poison: copyright will not protect you if the copy you distribute has DRM. Either it's mine to do whatever I am legally allowed to do OR you don't come crying that you want to sue a printer in some campus for "distributing copyrighted work".

    If I'm not mistaken Canada is also one of the countries where if you want to back-up your pictures (for example) to CD it's presumed that you infringe copyright and you have to pay some fee no matter what, isn't it? I think this goes back to my original argument that there's no rhyme or reason to the laws, just get what you can for whatever pretext.

    1. Re:Can't we just drop the pretenses... by silentbrad · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, it's a private copying levy on blank media that is paid back to the Canadian Private Copying Collective.

  9. Speaking as a Canadian... by jenningsthecat · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...I urge every Canadian reading this to send an e-mail expressing your (reasonably worded and well-considered) views to consultations@international.gc.ca. I also suggest that you write to or e-mail your Minister of Parliament, and any other MP's that are involved in the process of destrying the Public Domain in Canada.

    In the past these letter writing campaigns have resulted in unfavourable and unfair Internet legislation in Canada being rejected, and although the current Conservative majority does not bode well for maintaining a healthy Public Domain, it's still worhwhile trying. In my view these issues are like elections - if you don't weigh in and make yourself heard, you have no right to complain about the outcome. So please raise your voices in an effort to stop this ill-conceived attack on the public good.

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  10. it's fscking retroactive you tw@ts... by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd have less objections if the legislation changed the length of term for NEW items, BUT didn't change the length of EXISTING copyrights...

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    1. Re:it's fscking retroactive you tw@ts... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Here's the list you asked for:

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  11. But what is really sad ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is that as a Canadian citizen I needed to learn about this on Slashdot, so much for public consultation!

  12. If you need an argument... by Froggie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... consider this one, which is purely economic:

    If copyrights are extended by 20 years, the entire Canadian public is deprived of value, which is handed mostly to holders of existing copyrights. What are you getting in return?

    If the answer is 'nothing', then why would your MP, whose sole job is to represent the Canadian public, vote for this?

    If the answer is 'more creativity', then that statement would need considerable backup before it's worthwhile changing the status quo, considering the loss involved. Last I checked there was no shortage of new novels, films and so on, and no indication that more money for the creators in the long distant future would change that.

    And if the answer is 'appeasing other countries', then someone needs to justify the value of such appeasement.

    Anything else would seem to be a dereliction of the MP's duty.

    1. Re:If you need an argument... by compro01 · · Score: 2

      What are you getting in return?

      The Conservative MPs get cushy jobs after they retire from politics or get their ass booted out of parliament by displeased voters. What the mere citizens get is irreverent.

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  13. Save Your Breath by rueger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The government is holding a public consultation with the chance for Canadians to speak out to save the public domain."

    Tee hee. It's so cute when people think that they can make a difference. The Tories have majority, which means that they will do exactly what they want, when they want, and only what they want.

    This thing is a done deal, and no amount of punditry and internet petitioning is going to change it.

  14. Consultation, the Canadian way by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We all know the drill by now.

    The government will listen intently to everybody, then do exactly what Big Copyright told them to do.

    ...laura

  15. Re:As a Canadian by dryeo · · Score: 2

    Read up on the soft-wood lumber dispute. Time after time it was found that America was violating NAFTA .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_%E2%80%93_Canada_softwood_lumber_dispute

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  16. Re:That's quite the extensive list... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

    I support the notion of death penalty in theory, in a sense that I can imagine quite a few crimes for which it would be an appropriate punishment.

    That said, I don't see how I could possibly support it in a less-than-perfect (i.e. any real-world) justice system, where innocents can and are pronounced guilty. Of all other forms of punishment, death penalty is the only one that cannot be reversed. If someone spends 20 years in prison for something they didn't done, it's still horrible, but at least we can let them out and give them a good amount of cash to try to compensate for the injustice. But you can't dig out the corpse and bring it back to life.

    Interestingly enough, this seems to be the same though process by which Judaism has arrived to a de facto ban of death penalty, even though it is proscribed for many crimes in the Torah.