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IT Salaries Edge Up Back To 2008 Levels

tsamsoniw writes "A soon-to-be released salary survey finds that the average salary for IT professionals in the U.S. is $78,299, putting overall compensation back at January 2008 levels. More heartening: Midsize and large companies are both aiming to hire more IT pros. The midsize are seeking IT executives (such as VPs of information services and technical services), as well as programmers, database specialists, systems analysts, and voice/wireless communication pros. Enterprises are moving IT and data center operations back in-house, which means greater demand for data center managers and supervisors."

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  1. Average by Dyinobal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The average is going up because all the lower end IT positions are over seas mostly now, at least that is my guess. I always found these 'average' salaries to be very misleading. Because I always seem to be making below the average.

    1. Re:Average by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It all depends on where you live and even then what you make in dollar terms means little when it comes to how well you can live. Making $78K in some big cities gives you a decent livable apartment and a decent, but not extravagant, lifestyle. Making $78K in some other areas of the country gives you a large house and a more extravagant lifestyle.

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    2. Re:Average by t0qer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You call this going up?

      I made $85k in 2001, before 9/11 and before my layoff (after 10 years in IT) Ever hear the saying, "If you're out 6 months, you're back at square one?" It's true.

      The economy is fucked as ever. The kids they're paying $78k to have vastly more talent than I ever did, and had they been getting paid 2001 wages, would be making closer to 130k if not more.

    3. Re:Average by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Yes, but if they're just reporting an average salary half of the people will be getting below average salaries."

      Nope. Given the usual pay scales, far more than half the people will be getting below average salaries. Exactly half the people will be getting below the median salary. Different things.

    4. Re:Average by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Stop bitching and follow the money. Some of us are making the 130k even though the economy is "fucked".

      Or you're still pimping your vertas+solaris skills and not following the buzzwords. There's at least another year on the cloud train, time to hop on it buddy.

    5. Re:Average by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I made $85k in 2001, before 9/11 and before my layoff (after 10 years in IT) Ever hear the saying, "If you're out 6 months, you're back at square one?" It's true.

      You seem to be completely missing the context here.

      First, 2001 was still during the hey-day of the dot.com bubble. You're upset that you aren't earning as much as you think you should be, but here I missed out on the bubble entirely, as really Jr. level people I worked with were getting $150,000 job offers as soon as they got some certification or other...

      I know it sounds harsh, but you need to consider the possibility that you weren't ever worth $85k, and you were lucky enough to have been getting an insanely inflated salary for a few years. It's "found money" to you.

      And the 6-month rule? Did you happen to notice that the dot.com bubble burst around that 6-mo period? I very, very seriously doubt that was anything but a coincidence. It's really not like your skills are out of date in 6-mo, as I'm still impressing some very higly paid pros with lots of stuff I was doing a decade ago. I wouldn't even note the gap on my resume, and I've yet to find a company that cares enough about about minutae to track down exact employment dates, rather than just confirming rough details, and making sure your references aren't giving an unenthusiastic endorsement.

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    6. Re:Average by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Informative

      No shit. We are almost done virtualizing our entire datacenter, I assume the next step is to realize that having a single point of failure for 20 virtual servers isn't as cool as having 20 dirt cheap real servers, each independant.

      What are you virtualizing them onto? If it's a big machine that's highly redundant, then the "single point of failure" mantra is false. On a big iron machine where you can hot-swap power supplies, hard drives, memory, CPUs without missing a beat, there is no single point of failure, and you get much higher availability than 20 dirt-cheap servers where something could break at any time.

  2. My Salary by bored_engineer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now I just wish that *my* salary would move back up to 2008 levels. To be fair, I was laid off in 2009 and needed to change specialties in order to find work. Fortunately, I have an immediate opportunity to move up, and may be able to get myself back where I was within a year.

  3. Please... by tak+amalak · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please let my boss know.

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  4. The Orwellian Truth by msobkow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And my compensation package in 1999 was roughly $80,000/year. Things have improved how? Those numbers are still LESS than I made 13 years ago!

    Wasn't it in 1984 that someone was told to say the government increased the chocolate ration to a lower number than previously?

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    1. Re:The Orwellian Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1999 was in the middle of the dot com bubble. You might as well be a real estate agent complaining you aren't making as much as 2006.

      Also, I have no idea what technology you worked on then compared to now to assess your statement.

    2. Re:The Orwellian Truth by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      We have managed to increase the decline of productivity!

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  5. Re:Hmm... by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really have to relocate to the US.

    Seriously, people, is that figure for real?

    Yeah, with two caveats.
    1) That assumes you have a job. Lots of unemployed IT people and IT people working in other professions aren't counted.
    2) A lot of these jobs are in high cost of living areas like New York City or Silicon Valley. When a 1BR apartment costs north of $2000/month, $80k/yr gross doesn't seem like so much.

  6. YOU must let your boss know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your boss isn't going to go out of his way to pay you more than he thinks he needs to in order to retain you. The only person who will always have your best interests at heart is you. YOU must ask your boss for a raise and present evidence that your market value has risen to justify it.

    If he doesn't pay up, jump to a new job that will. Apparently, there are some openings now.

    1. Re:YOU must let your boss know by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because if you have 10 employees, two of them have to be at the bottom. Even if they're all awesome.

      When the power to give raises and adjustmeents is out of your boss' hands, the whole idea of "just go ask for a raise durpa durp" is kind of silly.

      Exactly. This is why, if you want a raise, you just need to quit and go find another job. Companies will give higher salaries to new employees to get them in, but their dumb HR policies prevent them from giving substantial raises to existing employees, so you'll do better switching companies every 3-4 years.

  7. Except for inflation... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to the inflation rate calculator I used, the consumer price index (one measure of inflation) has increased 5.08% from 2008 to 2011.

    So, on average, IT pro's are effectively paid about 5% less than in 2008.

  8. Oversupply *and* higher wages? by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've noted two trends in the job market lately: the jobs are paying a good deal more, but there are a lot fewer of them. It seems counter-intuitive because an oversupply of candidates would tend to drive wages down. However, what I see happening is companies almost *want* to pay top dollar...but only because they want absolutely stellar, walk-on-water, can-do-no-wrong, all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips candidates. I'm making *more* than I was during the dot com bubble. I'm also working my ass off managing projects that would've taken a team of people to do a few years ago. They're certainly getting their money's worth, but I have no room to complain because I'm making top dollar. And that's just how they want it: I have no incentive -- and no opportunity -- to jump ship for something better paying because I'm already way above the average wage, and a less stressful position would pay me so much less that it's not worth searching for.

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    1. Re:Oversupply *and* higher wages? by Nethead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm making about a third of what I was making in 2001. Back then I was a stressed out asshole. I was responsible for keeping A large "bookseller" connected to the Internet and making 6 figures. After a string of jobs doing much the same, I burnt out. I'm glad I put my money into a fixer-upper in a good neighborhood. Sold that for a nice profit and now own a smaller home with no mortgage. Now instead of sitting at a desk playing George Jetson I'm out in the field fixing problems for people. Not big problems, more of the get the credit card machine working again or upgrade the VPN router type. 2-4 jobs most days, just drive there in my car. I get to meet all sorts of folks, save the day and on to the next job. Sure, I could make much more but my sanity and well being is worth than the pay cut. I'm happy, my wife is happy, and I don't get calls at night when something breaks.

      Prisoner, I hope you're still young and have time to save money so you don't have to stress all your life. The cubical can eat your soul. Plan so you can have a way out someday.

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  9. Federal workers could sure use that raise by spiffmastercow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Arg.. Just pisses me off even more about the federal pay freeze. I'm a lead developer and project manager making $10k less than the average developer, who has no management responsibilities. It's getting harder and harder to justify staying in the public sector..

  10. Re:Yay! I'm above average. by Gorobei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly why this type of survey is so absurd.

    Comparing a work from home sysadmin's salary with an enterprise architect's salary is like trying to get an average salary for lawyers (add one public defender to a credit default swap lawyer, divide by two.)

    IT jobs cover a lot of space. $78K/year is just a silly summary statistic.

  11. This will sound insensitive by melted · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But do heed the advice: get off your ass and change jobs every now and then. I changed jobs twice during the crisis. Good people are always in demand. If you want more than sub-inflation raises (or no raises at all), get off your butt and see if you can find something better. With luck, you will. If you don't try, you definitely won't. As simple as that.

  12. Re:Yay! I'm above average. by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    WHich is why trying to use the term "IT" for all of these different jobs is stupid. They're completely different categories with no meaningful relationship. Break it into two groups (programming/architects and network admin/system admin/help desk) and you at least break it into functional groups that do the same thing (although still only marginally useful, as help desk is usually paid so much less). But doing anything across both groups at once is pointless, it only serves to confuse people.

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  13. Re:Not just one number by oatworm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are structural problems in the US economy, in the WORLD economy that aren't going to change and there really isn't any path to improvement as long as a relative handful of transnational corporate entities and bank holding companies continue to act as a self-appointed world government.

    Oh, it's much worse than you think. Much worse.

    If the companies you're thinking of actually acted as a self-appointed world government, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in - they'd at least try to make sure their own backs were scratched, if nothing else. The trouble is, nothing any of those banks own is actually worth anything. To use a programming analogy, our entire financial sector is abstracted into oblivion. Every single "asset" on the books is tied to some value extracted from another "asset", which in turn is tied to some value extracted from yet another "asset", that, 15-20 links later, eventually leads to actual collateral. This is due to our banking sector deciding at some point that it could get better returns reselling every scrap of paper they bought among themselves to each other than they could by investing their money into capital creation.

    To better explain this, pretend you're on an island with two other people. One of you is good at hunting pigs. Another one is good at harvesting coconuts. A third is good at fishing. Between the three of you, you all make enough food to feed everyone, frequently with a bit left over. However, each of you gets bored with what you get, so everyone decides to trade with one another. Trouble is, nobody can decide, say, how many pounds of pig a coconut is worth. So, the three of you decide to use a small shell on the island as money. It's colorful and thus easy to identify, it's rare, and it's portable. Perfect!

    One day, you decide you want a week off from your pig hunting duties. So, you start hoarding shells to save up for your week-long vacation. You charge a bit more for your pig than usual, you buy a little less fish and coconut than usual, and you spend more time between pig hunts looking for shells. Finally, you decide you have enough saved up where you can take the week off, so you do so. You stop hunting pigs and immediately start using your hoarded shells to buy coconuts and fish.

    Sounds good so far, right? Well, here's the thing - since you're taking the week off, food production just went down 33%. On top of that, the number of shells being exchanged between the three of you is the same as it was before you took your week off, only there's much less to buy. In short, everyone on the island - yourself included - is screwed.

    So, what does any of this have to do with the banking sector? Well, instead of investing in, say, fish preservation techniques, salted pork, better fish hooks, or a longer stick to whack the trees bearing coconuts with (i.e. capital improvements that benefit everyone), they've been investing in shells for the past generation or so and now we're all paying for it. Fun times, eh? But don't worry - maybe if we replace the shells with "sound money", maybe some shiny rocks, this sort of thing won't happen again. We promise.

  14. Re:Yay! I'm above average. by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Actually, the average is lower than they report, for several reasons:

    1. Employment levels are down, so you have to factor in all the IT workers who are either making $0, or delivering pizza. The article states that companies are continuing to replace full-time workers with contract or part-time hires.
    2. Self-selection bias - those who make less are much less likely to report how much (or how little) they make;
    3. Venue bias - this survey covers only mid-sized and large-sized companies -- whole swaths of people working in both smaller businesses (the majority of jobs in the economy) or the lower end of the industry are not included in these surveys, so they don't "drag the numbers down."