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Kenya Seeks Nuclear Power Infrastructure

New submitter Snirt writes "Kenya is seeking to develop a viable nuclear energy program within the next 15 years to meet its growing energy demands. A government commission formed last year is conducting a feasibility study and the University of Nairobi is setting up programs to train people for the nuclear program. Critics say they're concerned about plant worker safety and the risk of environmental contamination. Some 86 percent of Kenyans do not have access to electricity, relying on firewood and kerosene to meet their energy needs. Electricity is expensive(1$=KES 90), and the supply is limited."

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  1. Proximity to Somalian pirates... Sigh. by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Proximity to the Somali pirates (http://www.google.com/search?q=somali+pirates)... Sigh.

    How fun isn't that compared to other nuclear wielding states.

    Still, "Kenya optimistic for Somali peace prospects": http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2012-01/09/content_14405037.htm

  2. Definition of irony by Mannfred · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Kenyans - with ample sunlight - going nuclear, and the Germans - with a less favourable climate - hoping solar energy will help them get rid of their nuclear power plants.

    1. Re:Definition of irony by dnwq · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Kenyans - who are poor and value becoming less-poor over any fears (correct or not) over long-term environmental effects, and the Germans - who are rich and value said environment comparatively highly.

    2. Re:Definition of irony by unixisc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the Kenyans build a Thorium plant, they won't have to worry about nuclear waste. Aside from that, nuclear energy is the cleanest energy there is. Such a plan would be key to getting them out of poverty - once their energy problems are all solved, they can then get into other things, like manufacturing. One nuclear plant in the West of the country would be good enough - far from Somalia/ Maybe they can even share it w/ Uganda and South Sudan, and split costs that way, if it is too expensive.

    3. Re:Definition of irony by XrayJunkie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not yet. But in Germany we started a bunch of research programs to cope with that. Smart (grid) solutions for large industrial compounds help to use "green energy". An intelligent combination of capacitors, solar power, wind power, and so on can make a difference. And 15 years from now, we should be able to store energy better - making solar power more attractive. This is the future. Aim for it.

    4. Re:Definition of irony by emilper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An intelligent combination of capacitors, solar power, wind power, and so on can make a difference.

      so, in Germany you have super-capacitors ?

      How many billion € are you spending yearly to get less than 5% of consumption from "renewables" ? How many hundreds of € are you personally paying each month to maintain the "renewables" (look at your electricity bills and fuel bills, and see how much of that is taxes ) ? ... think a bit about it and you might realize that it's just what in US is very politely called "pork": corporate welfare for the 1%-ers.

    5. Re:Definition of irony by a_hanso · · Score: 3, Funny

      So basically, going by current trends, by 2030, much of the Third World will be nuclear armed while the developed nations will have no nuclear capability?

    6. Re:Definition of irony by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you wanted to design a country to be no good for renewables, you'd come up with Germany.

      Long winter - solar's out.
      Short coastline - wave power out.
      Long way from atlantic - less wind - turbines out
      Few mountains, mostly in one area - hydroelectric out

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    7. Re:Definition of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Lol, I'm from Germany, and

      > Long winter - solar's out
      That's what pumped-storage hydroelectricity is for. And having your CSP plants in one of the southern neighbor countries, like spain or even north Aftica. Look up "project Desertec".

      > Short coast line - wave power out.
      Wave power is about the dumbest "green" energy source anyway. Also, you underestimate the space those things would need.

      > Long way from atlantic - less wind - turbines out.
      Then why the hell are our countrysides (lots of flat areas with farms and fields) so full of them? I highly doubt that they built them, if there wasn't some profit to be made.

      > Few mountains, mostly in one area - hydroelectric out.
      I don't know what "Germany" you went to, but... I know lots of hydroelectric dams in Germany. The south is pretty mountainous, and a the areas where there are height gradients definitely suffice all around the country.

      Also, we're in the EU. There is no need to put the plants into the country. We're a export economy. We can afford to say "hey, if you cut off our power, we cut off your supplies" as an argument. Most EU countries strongly rely on their neighbours anyway. So putting them into Norway and Spain is not a problem.

  3. Re:Expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Any problem?

    GDP per capita (PPP)
    Sweden: $38,204
    Yemen: $2,700
    Kenya: $1,711

  4. Re:viable alternatives? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First world countries have started to flog obsolete nuclear technology to third world counties. Fire sale everybody!

  5. Re:Expensive? by timnbron · · Score: 5, Informative

    My friend gets by with one light bulb in the lounge. He's usually using 1-2kWh per month. I think he's about average for Nairobi suburbia. Some households might have a TV and fridge. And a few more light bulbs on at once.

    --
    There are some who call me ... Tim.
  6. Isn't it obvious? by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're using nuclear power as a front for developing weapons of mass destruction

  7. Re:Expensive? by RubberMallet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Care to try your napkin calculation again?

    120 KES base rate
    2 KES / KWh for the first 50 KWh = 2x50=100 KES
    8.10 KES / KWh for 50 to 1500 KWh = 1500x8.10=11745
    18.57 KES /KWh for 1500 to 2000 KWh = 500x18.57= 9285

    Total cost of this hypothetical 2000 KWh /year use is: 21250 KES

    21250 KES is roughly $245 US or 192 Euro

    Now put that in perspective... this is a country where the average salary for an average job is about 15000 to 20000 KES per month (if you dont' believe me, then look at the job postings for Nairobi on websites such as http://www.bestjobskenya.com/ You can get better paying jobs, but even top manager jobs top out around 80k/month). Imagine you were working an average job in Nairobi, and paying a little over one month of your before tax salary for electricity. Say you earn an average of about 35,000 Euro per year in Europe - then think about paying around 3000 Euro per year for your electricity. That's a significant portion of your take home pay. The same applies in Kenya. Electricity is VERY expensive relative to income... so much so that the vast majority cannot afford it, or cannot afford it except for only the most critical things (say charging a mobile phone (phones are super cheap in Kenya as is airtime) or running a single refrigerator).

  8. Re:At least somebody is making sense by loshwomp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed, except that your nuclear-powered car is already here today and it is called "electric rail".

  9. Re:Expensive? by arcite · · Score: 4, Informative

    True, and in Kenya the average person spends over 50% of their income on food, which doesn't leave much for luxuries such as electricity. I am sure though, that if a nuclear power plant were built they would subsidize access to electricity to the poor. Most people in Kenya pirate their electricity as it is anyway.

  10. The issue is infrastructure by solarissmoke · · Score: 5, Informative

    The sun is not our only asset. Already a significant proportion of our power comes from hydroelectric and geothermal plants, and there is scope for (and investment happening in) much more.

    The biggest problem we face is not sourcing energy, but in dealing with the huge inefficiencies and rickety infrastructure that we currently have. Here in Nairobi have power cuts several times a week (not because of lack of supply, but because of regular failures in the poorly maintained grid). As it happens, the transformer right outside my home has exploded (literally) and been replaced four times in the last three months. Most businesses in Nairobi have invested in back up generators because the supply is so unreliable.

    One major obstacle to real improvement is the fact that the Kenya Power and Lighting Company operates a monopoly on electricity sales in Kenya, and there is no incentive for it to reduce costs and improve infrastructure. They posted record profits in 2011, at the same time as electricity prices in the country reached record highs.

  11. A Kenyan perspective by jmugambi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Energy is VERY expensive in Kenya, and unfortunately so (calculations given are realistic). There are reasons to this, and the situation could be better. Would love it if our Government go solar over nuclear (alot of the country has suitable weather). I don't quite trust the current structures in place - especially regarding adhering to standards rules regulations etc. Not sure though if any other source of energy will meet the obvious needs. Most energy needs are concentrated around Nairobi (capital) and other major towns. Much of rural Kenya has no electricity. For domestic use, I would think solar is ideal especially in areas outside of the grid, just that most cannot afford the components. I'm not sure if many here quite grasp the meaning of living below the poverty line. Yet others in rural areas may not see the use of having energy for say a washing machine or microwave in their homes unless (1) they see the need for it, and more importantly (2) they can afford it. Proximity to Somalia: peace in Somalia would be hugely beneficial to the region, what with the piracy, and the threat of terrorism one would be understandably be nervous. Now replying to some of the spicier remarks: "... if they can steal tarmac off the road to make a floor for the house, I'm sure they'll grab a solar panel and rig a car headlamp to it... " Not quite practical - stealing tarmac - just think about it (and some of the roads are so bad there's no tarmac to steal anyway). However, solar panels do get stolen... "They're using nuclear power as a front for developing weapons of mass destruction" - As a country that has suffered a terrorist attack on more than one occassion, why? In bad taste this. (Kenyan)

  12. You lie! It's sad. by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Informative

    With sunshine and 30C+ temperatures throughout the year..."

    This is a lie. A big one sadly. Despite being on the equator, Kenya and other countries that the equator crosses never have temperatures beyond 30 degrees Celsius for more than 3 months in a year.

    In fact for Nairobi, their capital, you will freeze at night and temps never go beyond 28 degrees Celsius for most of the day. Google Nairobi weather (I just did) and you'll find temperature now (it's almost noon there) at 23 degrees Celsius.

    Why is it that most people in the west (who are supposed to be the best informed), are misinformed about Africa? Why?

    This BBC link should help educate you to an extent.

    1. Re:You lie! It's sad. by Christian+Smith · · Score: 3, Informative

      With sunshine and 30C+ temperatures throughout the year..."

      This is a lie. A big one sadly. Despite being on the equator, Kenya and other countries that the equator crosses never have temperatures beyond 30 degrees Celsius for more than 3 months in a year.

      In fact for Nairobi, their capital, you will freeze at night and temps never go beyond 28 degrees Celsius for most of the day. Google Nairobi weather (I just did) and you'll find temperature now (it's almost noon there) at 23 degrees Celsius.

      Probably more to do with Nairobi's elevation. Nairobi is quite a way above sea level, the air thinner, and therefore not retaining as much heat as at sea level. But as solar cells or solar heating devices rely on solar radiation, rather than the resulting ambient heat, solar devices would be very effective nonetheless.

  13. Nuclear is most expensive option by edxwelch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if Kenya wants cheap electricity, then nuclear is the worst option. It only appears cheap because of massive government subsidies.

    According to a report by the Union of Concerned Scientists:
    "Government subsidies to the nuclear power industry over the past fifty years have been so large in proportion to the value of the energy produced that in some cases it would have cost taxpayers less to simply buy kilowatts on the open market and give them away"
    http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_and_global_warming/nuclear-power-subsidies-report.html

  14. Re:Four killed in rocket attack on vehicle in Keny by ChatHuant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bribes within Kenya is a concern. But the Somali border is even more worrying

    True. Moreover, brazen attacks by Somali bandits in Kenya are scaring away the tourist trade, which makes a sizable dent in the country's finances. Tourism had already been hit by the violence after the 2008 elections, but recent events, like the kidnappings of foreign tourists in Lamu, have made it even worse. It's really a pity because Kenya is a beautiful country(*) , and it has followed a fairly responsible path of conservation and sustainable use of their natural resources (especially compared to other African countries).

    (*) Seriously, if you're planning a vacation, consider an African safari. It's a very special experience. Kenya, Tanzania, South Africa are good places, and the price isn't as exorbitant as you'd expect.

  15. Re:Expensive? by Squiddie · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can't pirate electricity. Those electrons want to be free.

  16. Re:Expensive? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 5, Informative

    The exact opposite really: they want to fall into a lower energy state from which they cannot escape. Being free costs energy.

  17. Why not both? by JSBiff · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't understand why this always has to be an either/or argument. Personally, I'm of the opinion that solar, wind, and nuclear all have a role to play in providing energy.

    If Kenya had a small modular nuclear reactor or two, they could provide baseload power to their own country, and possibly even have enough surplus to export some electricity to neighbors (bringing net revenue to the country).

    Solar and/or Wind can provide energy, but they don't really provide any kind of guarantee that you'll have electricity all the time - the Sun doesn't always shine. Yes, you can do things like molten salts to store some of the Sun's energy, but there's a limit to how much you can store. You might have enough storage to last you through the night, but will the salt still be hot enough in the morning, if it's cloudy?

    Solar is a good peaking power source - the Sun's energy tends to peak around the same hours that human demand for electricity peaks (because people are doing business, and running washers, dryers, and stoves, which they don't tend to do after dark). Nuclear is a good baseload power source.

    People pointing out that solar can come online faster are correct, so that's partly why I favor a combination of both nuclear and solar/wind for both developing nations, and developed nations - get the solar built quickly and start benefiting from it, while also beginning the process of building some reactors.

  18. More energy may help improve economy by JSBiff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More to the point, I believe the thinking is that having a large supply of reliable, and relatively affordable power may help strongly stimulate the Kenyan economy, thus making it so that a lot more people can afford the electricity.

    We know that energy is used to make stuff, transport it, and preserve it. It follows that access to affordable energy is required for any economy to grow. Too often our discussions about energy revolve around "creature comforts", but this is about more important things than air conditioning, televisions, and computers.

  19. Made in Kenya? by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The electricity isn't expensive, the Kenyans are poor.

    I'd imagine that the Kenyans are poor only because they don't make goods for export. The Balassa-Samuelson model explains how lack of an export sector depresses the value of a currency.