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Video Games As Propaganda

SharkLaser writes "A video game developer working for Kuma Reality Games has admitted that the company has been receiving money from the CIA to design and freely distribute special movies and games with the aim of manipulating public opinion in the Middle East. Amir Mizra Hekmati, a former U.S. Marine, moved to work for Kuma after working for DARPA and has said the goal of the company was to convince people that whatever the U.S. does in other countries is a good measure. Kuma officials have declined to comment, while Hekmati himself is locked in Iran. The United States government has demanded the release of Hekmati, but Iran has sentenced him to death for spying, which he confessed to."

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  1. Why is /. repeating Iran's propaganda for them? by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, all of the "evidence" in this case comes from the man's forced confession. Given Iran's record on human rights, he was most likely tortured into confessing. Why on Earth is this being reported as fact?

    1. Re:Why is /. repeating Iran's propaganda for them? by Talderas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It fits in with the slashdot narrative.

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    2. Re:Why is /. repeating Iran's propaganda for them? by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Given Iran's record on human rights, he was most likely tortured into confessing.

      I thought torture is a useful and valuable tool in extracting actionable intelligence from terrorist suspects.
      Why wouldn't it work on an American spy too?

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    3. Re:Why is /. repeating Iran's propaganda for them? by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you had bothered to look at their wikipedia entry, you would see that Kuma Reality Games suddenly took a turn a couple of years ago, designing Middle Eastern-oriented games in Arabic exclusively. You'll also see that these new games focus on things like fighting "political corruption." Seems to strongly bolster his confession. The CIA has done stuff like this for decades, of course. IIRC they even did special comic books back in the 60's with anti-Russkie propaganda that they spread behind the iron curtain.

      Unfortunately, this kid decided to go into field operations too. And Iran is hunting down CIA and Mossad operatives pretty hard right now (probably pissed about all those dead nuclear scientists). I suspect the death sentence is just a bargaining ploy for Iran, though. I hope they don't actually execute him.

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    4. Re:Why is /. repeating Iran's propaganda for them? by Bucky24 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't see the difference. They suspected he was an American spy. He confessed under torture. So using torture they confirmed suspected intel.

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    5. Re:Why is /. repeating Iran's propaganda for them? by jd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of course it is torture. Indeed, that was part of the basis of the appeals by the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four. The fraudulent "confessions" sealed the fate of the prosecution's case (the statements were shown to have been tampered with afterwards with the signatures of the defendants edited in) but the courts were utterly horrified by the police treatment - which was no different from what you're describing.

      Indeed, even in a prior appeal that failed, heard by the late Lord Denning, it failed because Lord Denning ruled that torture and abuse on such a scale was too horrific to contemplate, too savage to imagine. And, no, I'm not exaggerating his remarks. He really did say that what you're describing for police behaviour was too horrific to contemplate. Lord Denning naively concluded that it was better to refuse the appeal than to even think about police cruelty. With all respect, I disagree. It is better to imagine the unimaginable so that you can stop it, or - if it's not taking place - then at least be sure that the safeguards exist to ensure it never does.

      Given that torture does take place, I am of the opinion that confessions should never be allowed in court at all. Evidence collected as a result of a confession, sure, but not the confession itself. If the police can't maintain conduct of a standard better than "too horrific to contemplate", then they should not be able to directly use in trial anything that is likely tainted by such conduct. Simple as that. Eliminate the incentive. That should go for any evidence involving methods established to have suspect credibility. Dubious crime labs get the press from time to time, for example. When standards improve, remove the bar. It is the only way you will ever get the police motivated to operate in a clean manner.

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    6. Re:Why is /. repeating Iran's propaganda for them? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's a big difference between confirming suspected intel and turning a prisoner into propaganda

      No there's not. Torture never confirms anything. Torture is a way of getting your prisoner to say what you want to hear. Confirmation bias is built into it, so it can never reasonably be used as actionable evidence. The only thing it is good for is propaganda.

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    7. Re:Why is /. repeating Iran's propaganda for them? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It was written by SharkLaser aka DCTech aka at least one other username starting with "I" that I can't even remember, a dedicated troll. I'm starting to wonder if these are all puppet accounts actually being run by Slashdot staff to boost page views by stirring up nerd rage. The guy's an obvious troll and all his stories get approved, what am I supposed to think?

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    8. Re:Why is /. repeating Iran's propaganda for them? by Larryish · · Score: 4, Funny

      Captain Darling: So you see, Blackadder, Field Marshall Haig is most anxious to eliminate all these German spies.

      General Melchett: Filthy Hun weasels, fighting their dirty underhand war!

      Captain Darling: And fortunately, one of our spies...

      General Melchett: Splendid fellows, brave heroes risking life and limb for Blighty!

  2. Not a reliable confession by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This guy is in prison in Iran. This would not be the first time that a regime has coerced people to say things that aren't true and to sign false confessions. The US has in the last decade done it also. In the US, even when there is no torture, false confessions can be extracted even in murder cases- http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/False-Confessions.php. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this sort of program really did exist, but the fact that someone in Iranian custody confessed to it isn't good evidence for the claim.

  3. He told them he was a soldier... by Saishuuheiki · · Score: 5, Informative

    They actually discussed this on NPR earlier. When applying to enter the country, he told them about his military history and asked if it would be ok. Telling Iran that you were formerly in the US army is not the kind of thing you would do if you were an actual spy.

    Not to say entering Iran and telling them you used to be in the military is a good idea.

  4. Just going to say by gman003 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm pretty sure making pro-American video games is better than invading and occupying countries for decades at a time. I am 100% in favor of military-sponsored video games replacing our current military strategies.

  5. Uhhh... by Shoten · · Score: 3, Informative

    Shouldn't the text be something along the lines of "An American that was visiting his family in Iran who has been sentenced to death by a Sharia court for spying on behalf of the CIA has also claimed in the same prepared statement that he was a video game developer who made games for the CIA, even though there don't seem to be more than a single game that would align itself with Western interests." I mean, let's face it. Trusting Fars (a semi-official Iranian news agency)...these guys have backed their President's view that the Holocaust didn't happen, for Christ's sake...is NOT exactly relying on an unbiased source. For Fars to complain about propaganda is like the pot calling kettle black.

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  6. Re:Eye for an eye.` by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So you want to kill some random person because of his nationality if his nation does something bad? Do you think that killing of Iraqi civilians justifies the killing of American civilians? Retribution may feel good. But it accomplishes very little. At the end of the day, when you kill someone you are killing someone's son or daughter. You are killing someone' mother or father. You are killing a fellow human being.

  7. Well... by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...as sympathetic as I am to the guy, since he was there to see his grandmother, he's going to have a hell of a time persuading anyone he was not working for the CIA if indeed the CIA was funding the company he worked for, and that he was aware the company was involved in psy ops*. Doesn't matter if the company wasn't part of the CIA, we know the CIA runs companies as fronts (from previous CIA scandals) and since the CIA would have to be incredibly stupid to reveal all the companies that were fronts.

    Iran, therefore, is in a difficult position. The guy is essentially being paid CIA money for carrying out CIA-commissioned tasks, which is not going to go down well there no matter what. Psy ops also require some form of feedback - you can't manipulate in a vaccuum, which is a major factor in North Korea's isolation - and that means feet on the ground at some point. It must have been obvious to everyone involved (except for the poor guy involved) as to what would happen next.

    I honestly doubt he really is a spy, they're generally not stupid enough to be that obvious, but I do believe he's "collateral damage" that the US considers wholly acceptable for intelligence-gathering purposes.**

    *Manipulating the perception of another, rather than giving them information and free choice, is a "psychological operation" of the kind believed to be used in covert ops. Doesn't matter if it's merely the opinion of a boss or the opinion of a sponsor that's being expressed, with no military or intelligence involvement at all, it is still a psy op because it is still about manipulation and not choice. Had I not put in an explanation, but relied entirely on emotive description, that would also be psy op/manipulation. Because I am stating what is meant and why the choice of words, there is information and therefore freedom of choice and therefore it is not manipulative.

    **Intelligence gathering will always involve collateral damage. You can't avoid it. Totally innocent people will inevitably be sacrificed, which is why this idea that you control your destiny is such a laugh. All nations gather intelligence from all nations (themselves as much as anyone else), all nations need to at this point in history, and therefore all nations will have wholly innocent victims. The British have been investigating a whole host of scandals and "collateral damage" from internal investigation by the police recently, after a couple of undercover operatives defected to the organizations they were spying on and blew the lid on some very shady dealings.

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  8. Re:Eye for an eye.` by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, the phrase "eye for an eye" carried an original meaning of a call for just punishment which suited the crime rather than excessive or retributive punishment. That is, it was meant "only an eye for an eye" instead of "a life for an eye". This "Chicago way" of escalating responses leads to conflict, and that's not the goal of criminal justice.

    In our modern times, "one death for one death" is generally excessive, especially if it's "death of an innocent for death of a 'spy'".

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  9. yeah by unity100 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    we see how well it is working for israel. if not for the inordinate amounts of american taxpayers' money they have been gulping since their founding, they would have been overrun by 10-12 nations decades ago.

    stupidity. priceless.

  10. Depends what kind of spy he is. by raehl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If he's the kind of spy who is paid by the CIA to create and distribute propaganda material (in this case, video games) to subvert a country's government, that might be exactly the kind of spy who doesn't get much interrogation training.

    Is the person stationed at a US Embassy abroad who goes to all the elite social dinners with various parties of state and covertly sends intel reports back to the CIA a spy? Most would say yes.

    Is the Iranian former-marine helping develop propaganda for Iranian consumption under contract with the CIA a spy?

    I don't think you'd say he's definitely NOT a spy...

    Death seems a bit extreme however. Deportation would seem more appropriate. And hopefully this is all just a bunch of diplomatic posturing and deportation in exchange for some other consideration is what this comes out to.

    1. Re:Depends what kind of spy he is. by Lehk228 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      American and Israeli spies have arranged for "accidents" to happen to Iranian scientists, it's not unrealistic at all for them to act very aggressively against caught spies and suspected spies.

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  11. Wrong. by khasim · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's a big difference between confirming suspected intel and turning a prisoner into propaganda.

    Torture does NOT get "intel".

    Torture gets CONFESSIONS.

    This guy confessed to being a CIA spy working in Iran. By your "logic", they "confirmed" the "intel" they had on him.

    The same as our people did with the people we tortured.

    Which is the reason why we should NEVER use torture. It does NOT work in gathering accurate information and it DOES cloud the issue of who actually did what, when, where and why.

    Confessions are ONLY useful in propaganda.

    There is also a tremendous gulf between broadly applied and completely opportunistic use of it and the "graded escalation" the US goes through before utilizing distasteful tools.

    No. Once you resort to torture you have given up on getting accurate information and you're just looking for a confession or revenge.

    1. Re:Wrong. by gknoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Torture can net you verifiable truths. Period.

      No, Torture only gets you what the prisoner believes you want to hear.

      If an interrogator straps you to a chair, and tells you that they know you've been kidnapping neighborhood kids (and you know you haven't), and if you sign this confession you'll only get 10 years instead of 20, you'll tell me to fuck off and ask for a lawyer. You might even accept that it's better to go to prison for a crime you didn't commit than confess to lies.

      When the interrogator gets dissatisfied with your refusal to confess, and they start cutting off fingers and toes, how long do you hold out before confessing to a lie? When they start to immerse your head in a bucket long enough that you're choking on water, or start applying sharp implements to sensitive (or irreplaceable) parts of your body, how long do you maintain the truth, rather than tell them what they want to hear?

  12. Re:Eye for an eye.` by icebraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or he complains about both. Do you agree with everything the government of your country does? I know I don't.