Homeless Student Is Intel Talent Search Semifinalist

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Homeless Student Is Intel Talent Search Semifinalist

Posted by Soulskill on Friday January 13, 2012 @11:39AM from the dedication-to-science dept.

An anonymous reader writes "Samantha Garvey, a senior at Brentwood High School, has managed to become one of the remaining 300 semifinalists in the Intel Science Talent Search this year. Her research focused on mussels and on her discovery that they change the thickness of their shells if a predator such as crabs are introduced. Why is Garvey's achievement so impressive? Because she and her entire family are homeless, and rely on a local homeless shelter. Such a situation would stop many students from being able to focus on studying, let alone a research project, but Garvey has instead used her situation as motivation."

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I really hate this article by Anonymous Coward · 2012-01-13 11:44 · Score: 5, Funny

This is the first time in my life that a homeless person made me feel like a loser.
1. Re:I really hate this article by Anonymous Coward · 2012-01-13 11:48 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  I don't know why, this story is perfectly cromulent.
  Remember, a noble spirit embiggens the smallest of men. Or young women, as is the case.
2. Re:I really hate this article by Anonymous Coward · 2012-01-13 11:50 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Go ahead and be crabby; she will just gain even more mussels.
3. Re:I really hate this article by sjames · 2012-01-13 12:21 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  You're modded funny, but it's a serious matter. Remember this next time you decide that the poor and homeless are just bums who got where they are because of their own failings. The fact is any one of us could be there and might one day end up there through no fault of our own. It is by far more likely than it is for us to join the rich crowd.
  I hope this helps lift her and her family out of their situation.
4. Re:I really hate this article by Anonymous Coward · 2012-01-13 13:10 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Your logic is flawed, too. By no means is "becoming rich" guaranteed by "striving".
  I think sjames' post takes this concept to it's logical conclusion, which is even if you work very, very hard, you are still more likely to end up homeless than one of the super rich elite these days (although he also implies that both of these results are unlikely, just one more so than the other).
  And by the way, I'm now fuckin depressed by you both.
5. Re:I really hate this article by sjames · 2012-01-13 13:22 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  I sincerely doubt she (or practically ANY of the others) are living in someone's 1.2M mansion. Especially since TFA specifically said she and her family rely on a homeless shelter. Did you think they were just slumming?
6. Re:I really hate this article by Splab · 2012-01-13 13:50 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Well homeless shelters are big buildings usually. Wouldn't surprise me if it had a 1.2M price tag.
7. Re:I really hate this article by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-01-13 14:25 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Yes, occasionally you'll find a sad story wherever you look, but a vast majority of homeless people are homeless people because they fucked up their shit.
  What about their kids?
8. Re:I really hate this article by The+Moof · 2012-01-13 14:35 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  And the very critical part of the story which takes the wind out of the whole "overcoming her drastic odds" part is she wasn't homeless 13 days ago. She and her family were evicted on Jan 1st, 2012.
  
  Of course, that doesn't make for a good human interest story, most news outlets initially failed to mention that fact.
9. Re:I really hate this article by forkfail · 2012-01-13 14:56 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  So much for "There but for the grace of God go I" (or whatever method of expressing empathy you care for).
  Nope - these days, it's all about lazy, entitlement seeking, dirty, smelly, socialist, thieving, parasitic trash sucking the life out of the economy.
  At least - right up to the point at which BigCorp your work for outsources your job and you can't even pay the mortgage on your rather modest home or feed the kids... suddenly, maybe, it occurs then that perhaps some of these folks just maybe weren't just lazy scum.
  
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10. Re:I really hate this article by artor3 · 2012-01-13 14:57 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  He could just be an upper-middle class young adult who still believes that if he works hard enough, he'll one day get to join the 1%. Just wait until he or someone he cares about gets sick and loses their home, or until Bain Capital or similar buys out his business and decides his job could be better done by a coworker working unpaid overtime, or until his life savings get wiped out by some Wall Streeters run amok and leave him with nothing to retire on.
  Sadly, for some people it takes experiencing bad luck themselves to realize that the poor aren't poor out of laziness.
11. Re:I really hate this article by narcc · 2012-01-13 15:09 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  There are still too many scamming the system
  Who cares? I'd rather ignore the occasional bit of fraud (even if it were as high as 10%) than to inadvertently prevent someone or some family from getting desperately needed help.
  
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12. Re:I really hate this article by narcc · 2012-01-13 15:19 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  What about their kids?
  It's their own fault for being born into poverty. They could start getting bootstrappy now if it weren't for those damn liberal child-labor laws.
  (This would be funny if there weren't people like Newt Gingrich who actually believe this!)
  
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13. Re:I really hate this article by Anonymous Coward · 2012-01-13 15:28 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  No one ever said becoming rich was guaranteed. Is that the problem you hippies have, you thought that was promised somewhere? Nope. Sometimes people strive, but they suck, and things don't work out. Sometimes, people strike it rich without doing anything. Sometimes, for no reason, people get struck down. That's what happens in a probabilistic universe, and no one has ever worked out how to stop that on a large scale.
  Generally speaking, though, you get out what you put in. That's not a flaw of the system just because you've decided you want the high life for middling input.
  I suspect people like you, always whining about the "super rich elite," will never get anywhere, because that whining is taking up the energy you could direct into something productive. I've never cried about what other people have, I just worked to put together the things I want. I worked harder than the guy next to me, and it paid off consistently. You don't have to do that, in fact, I welcome you not to. I don't mind not having the competition.
  That's not to say some people get things they shouldn't get, but that's not a flaw of "the system," that's a flaw of humanity. Everything would be perfect if we had perfect people, of course, which will never, ever happen, no matter how much you hippies whine about it.
14. Re:I really hate this article by artor3 · 2012-01-13 15:59 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  So we must allow the 1% to continue robbing us until we are literally starving to death. Only then can we raise a (feeble, emaciated) fist against them.
  Has it occurred to you that the longer we wait to solve the erosion of the middle class, the harder it will be?
15. Re:I really hate this article by forkfail · 2012-01-13 16:05 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Let's turn your question around.
  What meritous work do the 1% do to deserve the rapidly increasing and disproportionate chunk of the wealth that they get?
  
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16. Re:I really hate this article by GiganticLyingMouth · 2012-01-13 16:09 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Actually her family had been homeless since she was young, but were able to move into a house recently for some time. Then the parents got into a car accident, and they had to leave. So yes, she has been homeless for much longer than 13 days. (this information was included in the yahoo article about her, which was on their site a days or two ago)
17. Re:I really hate this article by sjames · 2012-01-13 16:12 · Score: 2
  
  Some may be exactly that. Some may actually belong in a mental health facility (think about it, would a sane person live that way?). In fact, many WERE until funding was cut and they got thrown to the wolves.
18. Re:I really hate this article by quax · 2012-01-13 16:17 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  I might add especially the 1%ers who inherited their wealth.
  If everybody started from a level playing field the wealth disparity would be much easier to tolerate.
  The way it is, the US turns into a neo-feudal society.
19. Re:I really hate this article by sjames · 2012-01-13 16:27 · Score: 2
  
  There is something to that for many. If you're rich enough, it doesn't matter how badly you fail, you'll be propped up and given every opportunity to fix things.
  Just imagine if you worked on an assembly line and your 'penalty' for a screw up that wrecked the entire factory would be a severance check big enough to retire on! That's the 'hard reality' of being the CEO of a large corporation.
20. Re:I really hate this article by shiftless · 2012-01-13 17:40 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  If you're rich enough, it doesn't matter how badly you fail, you'll be propped up and given every opportunity to fix things.
  What do they call a rich family that fails badly enough a few times?
  Poor
21. Re:I really hate this article by sjames · 2012-01-13 19:05 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  Actually, figures demonstrate that income isn't keeping up with productivity for the vast majority of the population, but for the super rich, income is skyrocketing. That means that MOST people aren't getting out what they're putting in. That isn't some lame excuse like 'the way it is', 'reality', 'probability', or 'evil polka-dotted leprechauns', it is a systematic inequity in our society that needs to be addressed. Many people strive, don't suck, and things don't work out anyway.
  Though none are perfect, the vast majority of 1st world countries make a better effort than the U.S. to address this.
  Nobody has worked out how to stop bad things from happening but most civilized countries have figured out how to reduce the impact of those things or at least maximize the odds of recovering from them.
22. Re:I really hate this article by Strider- · 2012-01-13 19:08 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  What about them? I think that homeless shelters are a Good Thing, and certainly so in the case of helping kids who had no choice about the situation they were born into. But let's be real--the kids have the same genetics as their parents. If the parents were losers then odds are the kids are too.
  Translation: "Are there no prisons? Are there no poor houses?"
  
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23. Re:I really hate this article by Jessified · 2012-01-13 20:24 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  I have mixed feelings about stories like this. While I hope that she is able to do something special and help her family, if she does, that only sends the message that any poor person can do so, and that they don't means they are lazy. You find one example of a person who clawed their way out of poverty and all of a sudden the countless others unable to do so are simply lazy.
  Like those you can already see in this thread...
24. Re:I really hate this article by artor3 · 2012-01-13 21:12 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  I recall being told the exact same thing about real estate in 2006.
  FYI, I'm in the upper class myself. Around the 94th percentile if Wikipedia's stats are accurate. And I've done quite well for myself by investing in gold, Amazon, Netflix, Sirius radio, and a whole lot of companies you've never heard of. Graham Corp was my favorite.... see that peak on its chart in '08? That's when Cramer was screaming on Mad Money for people to buy it. A sure sell signal if ever I saw one, and I bailed out immediately.
  But unlike a lot of upper class people, I wasn't born into it, and I'm nowhere near wealthy enough to support friends and family. So I get to see childhood friends lose their jobs and homes. And I get to see my siblings and cousins struggle to make ends meet. And I get to reminisce about waking up one morning and finding my dad literally weeping because he had been laid off and we were going to lose our home, back when I was too young to understand any of that. And I'm literate enough to look at statistics and see that the bottom 80% has been in decline for over thirty years, while the top 1% has seen their incomes quadruple over the same period. And I'm good enough at arithmetic to figure out that if this nation's "rising tide" had indeed "lifted all ships", then the average individual would be making an additional $8k a year, which would mean a hell of a lot to people, considering that the median income is $24k. But instead, all of that money ($8k per person times 155 million workers = $1.24 TRILLION per year) went to the top 1%, who use it to bribe politicians into giving them even more advantages.
25. Re:I really hate this article by blind+biker · 2012-01-13 23:22 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Generally speaking, though, you get out what you put in. That's not a flaw of the system just because you've decided you want the high life for middling input.
  Not in the USA, where social mobility is essentially dead:
  
  Several studies have been made comparing social mobility between developed countries. One such study (âoeDo Poor Children Become Poor Adults?")[10][11][12] found that of nine developed countries, the United States and United Kingdom had the lowest intergenerational vertical social mobility with about half of the advantages of having a parent with a high income passed on to the next generation. The four countries with the lowest "intergenerational income elasticity", i.e. the highest social mobility, were Denmark, Norway, Finland, and Canada with less than 20% of advantages of having a high income parent passed on to their children. (see graph)
  From Wikipedia
  
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26. Re:I really hate this article by Hognoxious · 2012-01-14 01:43 · Score: 2
  
  Interesting, I thought the UK was slightly ahead. Then again, I think the article I originally read dated from before the election.
  No doubt someone will be along to state that the Danes, Finns and the rest are godless commies.
  
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27. Re:I really hate this article by Hognoxious · 2012-01-14 01:58 · Score: 2
  
  You're middle class? Your writing looks like it comes from the remedial class.
  
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28. Re:I really hate this article by eggstasy · 2012-01-14 02:41 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  How did people know they could not actually afford their home when everybody had one and banks were all too eager to tell them otherwise?
  You must think people are all some kind of OCD mathematicians that spend their lives meticulously calculating their best course of action. Studies have shown that 80% of people blindly trust recommendations instead of comparing prices or informing themselves about technical specifications with the local computer wizard. And economists, unlike hackers, are not really abundant.
  You should read a book called Descartes' error, where a prominent psychiatrist reports the case of a brain damaged man, formerly an intelligent, successful professional, who could not feel emotion anymore, but was perfectly capable of purely rational thought. He could not decide on anything - enter the concept of emotional intelligence, and the fact that people actually decide based on their feelings, and can not decide on anything otherwise. After all, what seems "logic" to you, may not be another man's "logic".
  You can argue that being unwise is undesirable, but if you think the fundamental nature of Man can be changed, I'd like to know where I can get some of that delicious kool-aid you've been drinking. If you're a financial wizard, know that the rest of the world is not YOU. Most people have had no contact with math of any kind since high-school, they don't need it and they should not be bothered with it.
  If people could somehow become immune to marketing and aggressive salesmen, the whole economy would grind to a halt. The world moves on the backs of stupid people spending lots of money. Two main components of what goes into calculating GDP are domestic consumption and exports.
29. Re:I really hate this article by GameboyRMH · 2012-01-14 02:52 · Score: 2
  
  There is something to that for many. If you're rich enough, it doesn't matter how badly you fail, you'll be propped up and given every opportunity to fix things.
  See: Donald Trump. If he was a middle class guy and lost similar amounts of money (proportionate to his middle-class income), he'd be lucky if the repo men left the clothes on his back.
  
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30. Re:I really hate this article by TheLink · 2012-01-14 05:24 · Score: 2
  
  Perhaps you should start thinking why you have masses of "stupid lazy people" in the first place.
  http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
  
  Finland has ranked at or near the top in all three competencies on every survey since 2000, neck and neck with superachievers such as South Korea and Singapore. In the most recent survey in 2009 Finland slipped slightly, with students in Shanghai, China, taking the best scores, but the Finns are still near the very top. Throughout the same period, the PISA performance of the United States has been middling, at best.
  Compared with the stereotype of the East Asian model -- long hours of exhaustive cramming and rote memorization -- Finland's success is especially intriguing because Finnish schools assign less homework and engage children in more creative play. All this has led to a continuous stream of foreign delegations making the pilgrimage to Finland to visit schools and talk with the nation's education experts, and constant coverage in the worldwide media marveling at the Finnish miracle.
  
  Since the 1980s, the main driver of Finnish education policy has been the idea that every child should have exactly the same opportunity to learn, regardless of family background, income, or geographic location. Education has been seen first and foremost not as a way to produce star performers, but as an instrument to even out social inequality.
  In the Finnish view, as Sahlberg describes it, this means that schools should be healthy, safe environments for children. This starts with the basics. Finland offers all pupils free school meals, easy access to health care, psychological counseling, and individualized student guidance.
  In fact, since academic excellence wasn't a particular priority on the Finnish to-do list, when Finland's students scored so high on the first PISA survey in 2001, many Finns thought the results must be a mistake. But subsequent PISA tests confirmed that Finland -- unlike, say, very similar countries such as Norway -- was producing academic excellence through its particular policy focus on equity.
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31. Re:I really hate this article by sjames · 2012-01-14 06:11 · Score: 2
  
  Since nobody WANTS to be lower class and everyone wants to be a millionaire, I can only conclude based on actual demographics that it's harder than you think.
32. Re:I really hate this article by cffrost · 2012-01-14 06:29 · Score: 2
  
  Yes, it really is amazing the way some people claim that one person hitting a millions to one shot means that everyone else should be able to do the same. I guess they're fairly bad at statistics.
  Many that follow that rhetoric are probably rather justifying their greed or lack of empathy, rather than developing a new disregard for their less-fortunate humans.
  That we can afford the TSA and supply welfare to provocative/oppressive regimes, but HUD can't get these guys and rest of them into apartments is depressing and embarrassing.
  
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Great! by 32771 · 2012-01-13 11:48 · Score: 2

You guys over there need more homeless people.

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1. Re:Great! by pluther · 2012-01-13 13:02 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  We're working on it!
  
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Succeeding in a public school, yet! by ackthpt · 2012-01-13 11:49 · Score: 5, Insightful

Well done of her to rise up and be counted. Amazingly, despite everything thrown at her by people who would go so far as to condemn her for the social and financial position of her family, she's using it as self-motivation. Has to be cruel to be homeless and one of the National School Lunch Program kids in a world where many children go out of their way (starving effectively) to hide the shame of their family's misfortune.
Any candidates for public office feel like giving her parents some employment or shall we go the usual route, use her as an example the American Dream isn't dead, yet, and then abandon them for the next popular thing on the campaign trail?

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How is this even... by Bitsy+Boffin · 2012-01-13 11:53 · Score: 5, Insightful

America (I'm addressing you as a whole).
How is it that you allow young people, let alone whole families, to be homeless, to live in "shelters".
WTF is wrong with you people?!
You are supposedly the most powerful nation on earth, the wealthiest, the nation that is spoken to exude opportunity and success from every pore.
And you have whole families, school children, living in homeless shelters.
I don't care how they came to be in the situation, it doesn't matter how that happened, what matters is resolving it, providing the social, housing, and financial support to ensure that every body can call somewhere home.
For every one remarkable individual like this who manages to overcome the adversity, I hate to think how many are dragged down by the circumstance.

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1. Re:How is this even... by Ouchie · 2012-01-13 11:56 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Income inequality is just envy. - Mitt Romney
  
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2. Re:How is this even... by YrWrstNtmr · 2012-01-13 12:02 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  America (I'm addressing you as a whole).
  How is it that you allow young people, let alone whole families, to be homeless, to live in "shelters".
  
  Name the country that does not have homeless people. Not saying the US does not have problems (oh hells yes we do!), but there are homeless everywhere.
3. Re:How is this even... by ackthpt · 2012-01-13 12:03 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  America (I'm addressing you as a whole).
  How is it that you allow young people, let alone whole families, to be homeless, to live in "shelters".
  WTF is wrong with you people?!
  You are supposedly the most powerful nation on earth, the wealthiest, the nation that is spoken to exude opportunity and success from every pore.
  And you have whole families, school children, living in homeless shelters.
  I don't care how they came to be in the situation, it doesn't matter how that happened, what matters is resolving it, providing the social, housing, and financial support to ensure that every body can call somewhere home.
  For every one remarkable individual like this who manages to overcome the adversity, I hate to think how many are dragged down by the circumstance.
  There are those who are homeless in America by choice (live in one of the larger cities in California and you'll know what I mean), many of them prefer the freedom to ru(i)n their own lives for substances or alcohol. I'll give them food, but no money.
  There are those who are homeless due to misfortune - lost of job, breadwinner in family, foreclosure of house loan, etc. These people are not at the bottom of the barrel, but without some form of assistance they could be there. There are shelters and federal and state programs to help them - often those still living in their cars are due to some failure to abide rules or restrictions of shelters. Where I work we track about 1,000 of these families. It's not a small issue, but those people, like this student have a good chance of getting back into a place they can call their own when the economy bounces back.
  
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4. Re:How is this even... by DriedClexler · 2012-01-13 12:04 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  Oh, puh-f'in-leeze. As if there aren't homeless on the streets, probably more, in every other OECD country.
  
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5. Re:How is this even... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-01-13 12:04 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  My mother works at one. These families do get everything they need to get back on their feet, they really do. No one wants to see women and children on the street and there really isn't any excuse for it. Unfortunately, not every mother is worth anything. I wish we could take more children away from some of these women sometimes. Some of them are great mothers and manage to make it into government subsidized homes, but some are on the run from CPS and run from shelter to shelter to shelter. The shelter gives every child a free breakfast before class and the mothers are required to take them to it, but some just don't seem to give a damn about their own kids and send them to class late and hungry. It's a tough situation indeed. Very depressing.
  It's good to see a homeless kid trying her best. So many of them just give up on school completely and barely learn to read with no support from any parent. Hopefully her parents are pushing her.
6. Re:How is this even... by Anne_Nonymous · 2012-01-13 12:09 · Score: 2
  
  >> You are supposedly the most powerful nation on earth, the wealthiest, the nation that is spoken to exude opportunity and success from every pore.
  1995 called. Supper is on an you have to go home now.
7. Re:How is this even... by phantomfive · 2012-01-13 12:13 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Uh, you realize that even in communist Russia, where it was a crime to be homeless, and housing was provided for free, there were still homeless people? Ending homelessness is not as easy as you think at first.
  
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8. Re:How is this even... by 10101001+10101001 · 2012-01-13 12:21 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Name the country that does not have homeless people.
  Yea, that's telling 'em. America, the great and power, is just as powerless as everyone else to resolve a social problem that may be unsolvable. Of course, America isn't really interested in solving that social problem. I don't mean this as a slander or an insult. It's precisely the belief in a sort of Social Darwinism that has made the US such a great power (it also helps that it has a lot of natural resources and a climate that readily allows for most of their extraction, a relatively large amount of space which keeps down the cost of living in most the country, and an effective imperialist agenda not unlike many other empires of the past which might have more to do with it) that keeps a lot of social reform discussion from even coming up; I mean, why fight against a gifted horse just to help a few people? Then there is...
  
  Not saying the US does not have problems (oh hells yes we do!), but there are homeless everywhere.
  Hunger is everywhere. Vaccinatable childhood diseases are everywhere. A need for high-speed travel for the movement of both goods and people exists everywhere. The desire for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness exists everywhere. I guess we can't actually do anything about any of the above then, though. I mean, the US has problems...like homelessness..so we can't actually discuss working to fix homelessness. That's some master deflection; how about at least trying in the slightest to offer a few valid ideas on why homelessness can't be eradication entirely? That'd probably be an actually valid argument. Of course, that still leaves the potential of homeless almost being entirely eradicated (ie, that the few special cases that show homelessness is inherently inevitable doesn't explain not dealing with homelessness for the vast majority of the homeless).
  
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9. Re:How is this even... by hedwards · 2012-01-13 12:22 · Score: 2
  
  I had a coworker briefly that was doing that. On what we were making I couldn't blame him for that, I'm sure he was a lot more comfortable that way than worrying about having money for rent, and with a job he had the option of staying in a motel during cold snaps.
  The bigger question though is why in a country that's so wealthy we tolerate people living on the streets out of necessity. We have the money to ensure that those folks have at least rudimentary shelter and yet we choose to provide very little.
10. Re:How is this even... by SammyIAm · 2012-01-13 12:24 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  what matters is resolving it, providing the social, housing, and financial support to ensure that every body can call somewhere home.
  What do you think homeless shelters are for?
11. Re:How is this even... by sjames · 2012-01-13 12:28 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Most western nations will provide at least a flat to their poor. The only homeless they have are people whose psychiatric problems cause them to refuse the help. The U.S. really is dead last amongst the 1st world.
12. Re:How is this even... by forkfail · 2012-01-13 12:31 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Long and the short of it is that we've allowed a new, hereditary aristocracy to persuade us that our best interests are aligned with theirs.
  Oh, they're smarter in many ways than the nobility of the past. They know how to blend in just a bit better, while still flaunting their wealth. They've bent the principles of equality and the perception thereof, and corrupted the American Dream, locking everyone else out, but allowing them to still dream the dream.
  This new aristocracy has their fiefdoms in the corporations; they own our government lock, stock and barrel; they keep us at war.
  They own the majority of the media and the mediums, and what they don't have yet, they're working diligently to take. And what information and knowledge there is, they ensure not only control of, but fight to make you pay for.
  And they've persuaded too many people of this nation that caring for the sick and the elderly is somehow evil; that educating the next generation is a waste of money; that governments are not, in fact, created by men to secure the fundamental rights as described by Jefferson. In fact, they've gone so far as to persuade many of the citizenry that any sort of organization that builds out the infrastructure, education and welfare of the people simply for the sake of doing so is fundamentally evil. They've even gone so far as to pervert Christianity to be a worship of wealth.
  And at the same time, we're provided with an ample supply of soma in the form of so-called reality television, video games, professional sports circuses and other thought destroying noise.
  That's what's happened to us, and that is why we allow this.
  And those who have made issue of it are called dirty, unwashed lazy hippies, or seekers of entitlement - an incredibly ironic term, given that it comes from the rights of the nobility - those with title. They've lumped the terms "fascism", "communism", and "socialism" all into one inclusive bucket, not realizing the extremely significant differences between them, nor that our nation has become ruled by the corporations, nor that a certain amount of socialism is required for a society of the size and with the population density that ours has.
  That's what's wrong with my people.
  
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13. Re:How is this even... by forkfail · 2012-01-13 12:46 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Wrong.
  
  Garvey and her family have lived in shelters and hotels since she was a little girl. Seven years ago, they were able to move into a house, but in February 2010, her parents were involved in a car accident. They were forced to leave.
  http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/01/homeless-teen-could-win-100000-science-prize-and-new-future-for-family/
  
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14. Re:How is this even... by mutube · 2012-01-13 12:59 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  There are those who are homeless in America by choice.
  You mean, psychiatric patients for which there is inadequate support? Yes. I've seen a lot of those on the streets in America.
  Or individuals who have suffered abuse in the poorly regulated and underfunded state welfare system? Yes, lots of those too.
  But you're right... they prefer it like that. I assume you've spoken to them too?
  
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15. Re:How is this even... by mbkennel · 2012-01-13 13:12 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  In other words, yet another medical bankruptcy & destitution, which is almost uniquely American in developed nations.
16. Re:How is this even... by tomhath · 2012-01-13 13:16 · Score: 2
  
  Garvey and her family have lived in shelters and hotels since she was a little girl
  Don't believe everything you see on TV. The family hasn't had it easy, but to say she's "lived in shelters and hotel since she was a little girl" is false.
  http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jyIz1qpm12mq4KEy3-CS4Z0HVcgg?docId=13c4979840884373a3c0e477d2aea9aa
17. Re:How is this even... by mutube · 2012-01-13 13:26 · Score: 2
  
  Capitalism is an economic equivalent to Darwin's survival of the fittest. There are merits to this, despite the corruption.
  This is repeated ad nauseum as an excuse for the excesses of capitalism at the expense of everything else. The suggestion is of the 'survival of fittest' (not a phrase Darwin ever used) and a fight to the death with every one for themselves. Sure. Capitalism can mimic that, but it's not an 'ideal' by any stretch of the imagination. Darwinism is associated with explosions, crashes and extinctions of entire species, communities and populations.
  Unsuprisingly, Darwinian models are applied to economics as a glorified regulator of companies - not individuals, families and communities that just as equally 'survive' on the existence of these companies. Is a company going out business, that in turn destroys family livelihood, community and in some cases entire towns, dismissable as just 'survival of the fittest'? Evolution? If your answer is yes, you're basically a sociopath.
  The advantage we have over evolution or nature is the ability to see and predict events in advance of when they happen. We should use it. Evolution is completely reactive - and as a result over and under compensates and bears the brunt. We have a choice. We can do better.
  We are not 'Darwinian' except through negligence.
  
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18. Re:How is this even... by forkfail · 2012-01-13 14:19 · Score: 2
  
  Squabbling over the arts when we outspend the rest of the world combined on the military really is somewhat ridiculous, at best.
  
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19. Re:How is this even... by Darinbob · 2012-01-13 14:37 · Score: 2
  
  I remember walking through Osaka and stumbling upon the mostly hidden homeless camp chock full of people. Most of the time you do not see anyone who looks even poor much less homeless. I wasn't sure if these people just hid away from embarrassment of being jobless or if there was an active "western nation" style of trying to explicitly hid them away from view.
  And yes, most western nations have homeless people, even those who are proud of pointing out how socially forward they are. The homeless are just better hidden in those places. Or they're reclassified (gypsies) or just aren't on the street.
  The student in the story is not living on the street, the typical stereotype that people in the US have of homeless people. Her family is in a shelter. It's not the same as a "flat for the poor" though, but often the reason for that is more about bureaucracy and getting on waiting lists and such. This is especially true of the newly homeless people; those who had jobs and lost them, they're not used to how the system works or how to apply for benefits, etc. There's also the idea that these people are definitely employable, but they just haven't found a job yet. The cheap welfare housing has no vacancy because it's full up with long term unemployable people and is in the slums with no mass transit access to get to where you're looking for a job. Most housing for the poor is not free but it is subsidized and requires paperwork, etc.
20. Re:How is this even... by Jiro · 2012-01-13 15:58 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  No one wants to see women and children on the street and there really isn't any excuse for it.
  Fortunately nobody cares about men on the street. Maybe that's why over 3/4 of homeless are men.
21. Re:How is this even... by cavePrisoner · 2012-01-13 18:18 · Score: 2
  
  And you have whole families, school children, living in homeless shelters.
  The ones in shelters are lucky. I don't know numbers, but a great deal of our homeless don't even have that because their local governments either don't see it as a priority or don't have the means to provide homeless shelters. That is why tent cities have sprung up in many parts of the country.
  http://www.businessinsider.com/lakewood-new-jersey-homeless-tent-city-2011-9?op=1
22. Re:How is this even... by KozmoStevnNaut · 2012-01-13 23:24 · Score: 2
  
  In Denmark, the definition goes roughly like this:
  A homeless person is a person who lives in a deficient housing situation, for example in an illegal encampment, a condemned building or a severely overcrowded building (mostly illegally).
  It also includes people living in unsafe conditions, for instance living under threat of eviction or under a bankrupt landlord, or in a violent home.
  Furthermore, it includes people without a home, ie. currently sleeping under temporary conditions in an institution, a shelter or similar.
  Lastly, it includes people with no roof over their head, ie. living without any sort of shelter or housing, sleeping on the street.
  So you see, our definition of being homeless is pretty well-defined, you have to be in some real shit to count as homeless.
  You have around 3.5 million homeless people in the US. In a population of ~300 million, that's about 1.7%.
  Denmark has around 8.000 homeless people. In a population of ~6 million, that's about 0.14%. Of those, only 200 or so actually sleep in the streets.
  You have more than ten times as many homeless people compared to your population as the average European/Scandinavian social democracy-based "socialist hellhole".
  Wealthiest nation on Earth, sure. But at what cost?
  
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23. Re:How is this even... by KozmoStevnNaut · 2012-01-13 23:39 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  You have around 3.5 million homeless people in the US. In a population of ~300 million, that's about 1.7%.
  Europe has around 3 million homeless people. In a combined European population of ~730 million, that's about 0.4%. That includes Eastern Europe and formerly Soviet bloc countries, most of which are still struggling with massive corruption. In Scandinavia and Northern Europe in general, the number is around 0.15%.
  You have more than four times as many homeless people compared to your population as the average European/Scandinavian social democracy-based "socialist hellhole" and the countries who were mercifully untouched by the "fascism with a communist face" of the Eastern bloc have less than a tenth the amount of homeless people that you do.
  Social democracy (or "socialism" as you yanks erroneously call it) works.
  I'll be watching when your so-called "greatest nation on Earth" implodes on itself. Hopefully, you'll build something sensible out of the ashes.
  
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24. Re:How is this even... by KozmoStevnNaut · 2012-01-14 22:35 · Score: 2
  
  There's no need to get personal, but let's have a look at what you're saying, disregarding the insults.
  First off, I'm from Denmark. We've been able to weather the crisis relatively well due to our fundamentally well-oiled system of social democracy. We are pulling ourselves out of the depression again in cooperation with our Scandinavian and Northern European neighbors. Our economy is stable, thanks to this.
  Of course your demographics are different, you have a small problem with illegal immigration and the severely disadvantaged lower class your country created because they thought slaves were cool. The latter is absolutely not valid as any kind of excuse. Your country fucked them over, your country should therefore take care of them and help them instead of supporting the institutionalized racism that continues to this day.
  But you still have over ten times the amount of homeless per 1000 citizens compared to most other countries in the western world. I don't care how you count it, whether you count the number of people who are homeless at some point of the year or if you count the number of chronic homeless, that's still a huge amount of your population that has been screwed over by the system.
  Even if you only count the chronically homeless, the ones who literally have no food or shelter that's about 0.035% of your population, going by your 110K figure. Here, it's 0.003% (200 out of 6 million). It's still a factor of ten!
  
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Cutest smile ever. by Pezbian · 2012-01-13 11:54 · Score: 2

She seriously does have the cutest smile. The grin she was wearing in the photo with the article about this at KSL was the highlight of my day. Smart and photogenic is a good combo. She will go far.

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Re:I don't get it by The+Grim+Reefer · 2012-01-13 11:55 · Score: 4, Funny

The summary says her research is based on her family living arrangements. Is she planning on growing a shell or something?
Perhaps. I would imagine crabs being introduced into a homeless shelter is not that uncommon.
I hope Intel avoids the obvious feel-good choice by starmonkey · 2012-01-13 11:55 · Score: 2

She's a semifinalist. I hope Intel's judgement of her research isn't affect by the press coverage. It would suck for someone else's superior research to get shafted because he wasn't lucky enough to be appealing as a human-interest story.
Expected.. by Codeyman · 2012-01-13 11:57 · Score: 2

On a similar vien, this is why you see more hardworking asian students (or first generation students who are forced to work hard by their parents)!? Once you are privy to poverty (even if you are not poor yourself) and have seen a better life out there.. you'll give your life to hang on to it.
Rely on a homeless shelter? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-01-13 11:58 · Score: 4, Informative

The linked article kind of doesn't mention that her family was in the shelter for all of a week earlier this month. Still a nice accomplishment, but none of the work she did was done while she was in the shelter.
Re:Exception or the rule? by jd · 2012-01-13 12:22 · Score: 5, Informative

In all probability, homeless people will follow the same distribution curve as everyone else. That would imply that 2% of all homeless people have an IQ of 148 or above (UK's IQ scale, use your local Mensa entry requirement to figure out what's equal to that) and that 30.9% would be able to complete a degree program if given the opportunity.
The Great Source of Wisdom says that there's up to 2 million people in the US who are homeless at any given time, some on a more permanent basis than others. It's a fair bet that even the transients aren't really able to get into a university though.
That would give you 40,000 people of Mensa-level intelligence and around 618,000 people who would be able to complete further education. Finding one person of either level of ability shouldn't be that hard or even unusual - 40,000 people can't be easy to miss and well over half a million should be blatantly obvious.
Now, the median income of people with a bachelor's degree was 40K in 2009. That's the 25% tax bracket. So, the government is losing 10K per year per person who could have a degree but doesn't, which works out to $6.18 billion just from lost income tax revenue. That's ignoring anything such people might invent or contribute to society (and it's clear from even the one example that these are people who are just as able to contribute as anyone) along with all the money the government could collect from businesses as a result of such contributions. That's a hell of a lot of money to be throwing away. I like pragmatic socialism (note the "pragmatic" part) and social justice, so naturally I want fewer homeless people for those reasons. Particularly because I'm pragmatic - that's over half a million potential innovations that won't happen, over half a million potential entrepreneurs that won't get to start anything... Yes, there will always be homeless and the country can't afford to take care of everyone, we all know that, but this goes well beyond what is sane or rational. The desire to be seen as anti-socialist has become moronic and self-destructive.
Nobody can help everybody, but $6bln aught to be more than enough to cover the costs of helping far, far more than we are.

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Re:She has a brighter future... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-01-13 12:26 · Score: 2, Interesting

My first thought as well. Women's best path if they look at least as good as her is to learn the ways of being sweet to and pleasuring male clients, and exploiting their best years (starting at her age) as escorts. Marry a sucker around 30, maybe sooner if she's hooked a good prospect, all the while saving for her future. Have a kid, divorce the guy, collect alimony.
This "talent contest" is cute, and a nice way to get PR for Intel. It, of course, works for those who win the contest, but it suffers from a major problem of scope in terms of being something to aspire to.
That problem is the superstar mentality. It's seen in sports, and it's being brought into all other areas as well. The slightest hint of musical talent? Maybe your son will be the next Curtis Jackson! Your son tops the scoreboards of a public server in Quake? If Jonathan Wendel can brand himself into a success, why can't your little Jimmy?
The problem, though obvious and following directly from material in the first day of Econ 101, must still be explicitly spelled out and repeated again and again: expected value. Either you take the +EV move and build a comfortable life, or you roll the dice. Ever the worse for instilling the rationality of the choice, too, if that 1 in 10,000 chance actually pays off, because, behold, there the camera is: focused on the winner, and not the 9999 Walmart employees.
Re:Exception or the rule? by CastrTroy · 2012-01-13 12:35 · Score: 4, Insightful

In all probability, homeless people will follow the same distribution curve as everyone else
Sorry, but I seriously doubt that. A very large percentage of the homeless population are there because they have mental disorders. I'm pretty sure that there's a much larger proportion of people with an IQ of 80 than those who have an IQ of 120

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I doubt it by mfwitten · 2012-01-13 12:37 · Score: 3, Insightful

I seriously doubt that crabs change the thickness of their shells in the presence of predators. Rather, I bet the predators change the kind of shell that is dominant in the population of crabs.
It is likely the case that the predators are more easily able to eat the crabs with thinner shells, thereby increasing the percentage of crabs with thicker shells in the remaining population, and those remaining crabs with thicker shells produce offspring that also have the same kind of shells (or perhaps even thicker shells in a few cases).
Evolution, folks. Variation. Selection.
1. Re:I doubt it by skine · 2012-01-13 13:31 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  I highly doubt that she would have gotten to the semifinals with research that essentially states "thinner shells are easier to crack."
  Unfortunately, I'm not finding any of the original data, so I cannot verify this.
2. Re:I doubt it by artor3 · 2012-01-13 14:38 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  I'll take her research over your gut feeling any day. If she's a finalist, then I certainly hope that she already controlled for such an effect.
3. Re:I doubt it by mfwitten · 2012-01-13 16:28 · Score: 2
  
  Yeah. In the video here, she states:
  
  I collected mussels from different elevations in the salt marsh, and I looked at how those predation rates affected mussels, and then I saw that mussels who were in lower elevations (where predation was the greatest), they exhibited heavier and denser, thicker shells, and then I took this idea and I introduced it into the lab setting, and I exposed the same mussels to invasive species ([crabs]). At the end of the 2 months, I saw that the mussels did exhibit heavier shells, just like those in the marsh.
  Because 2 months is a pretty short time, it does seem quite unlikely that my explanation is of any consequence. You are correct that it was silly of me to discount some other, more complex interaction.
Re:Homelessness Doesn't Break the American Dream. by ghn · 2012-01-13 12:43 · Score: 5, Interesting

Canadian speaking here.. An entire homeless family is not something that should be considered "normal" or a consequence of some unfortunate chain of event that we just have to accept. Our society and economy, laws and culture are not that different from the US on most issues, but when I hear about homeless children and families in USA, that's where I truly grasp how vastly different our countries are.
Not anymore by IdolizingStewie · 2012-01-13 12:51 · Score: 2

As several others have pointed out, the family is back in a home today. Hopefully they can stay in this one. In and out of shelters seems to be a trend for the family. http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/intel-semifinalist-samantha-garvey-gets-bay-shore-home-1.3449717?obref=obinsite
Not according to the OECD by deanklear · 2012-01-13 13:12 · Score: 4, Informative

http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=poverty

40% of Median Income: ======================= 14.9% Mexico 13.2% Israel 11.3% United States 11.2% Chile 10.1% Japan 10.0% Turkey ======================= 7.0% Canada 5.9% UK 4.9% Switzerland 4.2% Germany 3.4% France

Thanks for reinforcing the stereotype that Americans don't think about facts before they start screaming "We're #1!"

In this case, we are 33rd out of 36.
Re:I don't get it by oldmac31310 · 2012-01-13 13:14 · Score: 2

Oh you shellfish bastard!

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Re:Exception or the rule? by jd · 2012-01-13 13:17 · Score: 4, Informative

You are correct about the mental disorders, but bipolar people are famous for unusually high IQs as are people with HFA and LFA, and all of these have mental disorders that cause considerable problems with social interactions of any kind (including keeping a roof over their heads).
Mental disorder rates by State
90% of homeless in UK excluded from education
IQ study in US shows "WAIS-R scores were comparable to population means".

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Re:She has a brighter future... by History's+Coming+To · 2012-01-13 13:21 · Score: 2

While that's horribly sexist and a generally cynical and unpleasant way of looking at the world, I have to admit you have a point. Yes, what you have described is a legitimate career path to becoming a rich and influential woman. I'd imagine that most of us (trolls aside) would prefer to live in a world where all women find a fulfilling and challenging career in, say, science or the arts rather than thinly veiled prostitution, but the fact that the career path you describe even exists is a pretty damning view of western society.

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Ok then let's hear it by Sycraft-fu · 2012-01-13 13:24 · Score: 3, Interesting

Let's hear your great idea on how to fix homelessness. The GP made a very valid point: It is everywhere, including countries that are far more socialist than the US. It seems that humans haven't figured out a way to fix it. So maybe we shouldn't whine so much about needing to fix it because maybe we can't. That doesn't mean we should ignore it, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have safety nets (like, say, shelters) but this crap of "Oh how come America hasn't fixed homelessness?" is stupid.
If you've got some magic fix for it, then let's hear it. If not then quit with the "America should be able to fix it!"
It is one of those things that you can work on, we should work on, and we do work on. It isn't something you can solve. So bitching that it hasn't been is stupid.
1. Re:Ok then let's hear it by Fri13 · 2012-01-13 14:18 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  The fix is socialism... But it is a tabu among most US citizens who are brainwashed to believe socialism is here to take your wealthy and forces you under government control where you can not choose who is your doctor or where your kid goes school....
  In social society, people take care of each other. They give what they can not use or dont need, to those who have needs. They do what they can with their powers to help others. It is not just you give money or you say "here is your apartment, live there". But that you organize a sponsor who supports you on the beginning. It is that you are teached and helped by people who have experience and wisdom to guide you trough hard times.
  It is that when you get sick or accident happens, many others will take small part of your work and carry it trough the time until you have recovered and you return.
  Socialism is about teamwork and caring others. It is about to help everyone to be independent and strong person where you don't have needs to harm anyone else.
  But people who are independent, strong and work together can not be controlled. They can not be brainwashed, you can not terrorize them to accept greedy people demands and be exposed to such people suggestions.
  So the sociopaths who does anything to come politicians or leaders, makes sure that there is no teamwork, independency, smart people, freedom of speech and thinking. They demand competition, they want people to fight, they want people to follow the show on TV while mens behind the curtains does all the planning for them, just to protect small group of greedy sociopaths who wants to control others.
  Terrorism is act of terror what a national leaders use to control own people and drive their own (terrorists) needs over their own people. The terrorists is not the one who lives in other country or who builds bombs... The terrorists is the person who works in government or big corporation and use terror and other similar tactics (like FUD).
  In US, 1% of people has over 90% of wealth. While 99% needs to live with under 10% of wealth... It simply should not be possible, but it is because greedy people demands and controls that there is competition on markets, that there is competition on schools, that there is competition among people and they make everything with their power so people would not start work together and discuss freely and change opinions freely and that they would take part to topics what greedy people want them to forget or ignore.
  It is easy to think about itself that you are great person if you give now and then few dollars to red cross or some other charity. But it is just lying to itself.
2. Re:Ok then let's hear it by Sycraft-fu · 2012-01-13 14:26 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  All this tells me is you've never been outside the US or done any real research. Why? Because there's homeless everywhere. Norway has homeless people. Not speaking in abstract here, I've been there (I have family there).
  So, care to try again?
How about absolute poverty? by deanklear · 2012-01-13 13:54 · Score: 4, Interesting

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/20/absolute-poverty/
In terms of absolute poverty, we're one of the highest in the West, and all of the other nations on the list provide universal health care.
In either case, it's safe to stay that Americans have some of the worst income inequality out of any country, and among similar Western nations, are in the bottom 10% when it comes to relative poverty rates, absolute poverty rates, child poverty rates, health care, and education. If you'd like to be proud of that, you're welcome to, but I'm certainly not.
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Re:The truth? by forkfail · 2012-01-13 14:44 · Score: 5, Interesting

Really?
The homeless rate amoungst school kids is about 2.2%:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2011/1213/Homeless-children-at-record-high-in-US.-Can-the-trend-be-reversed
There were 300 semifinalists. This means that all other things considered equal, there should be 7 homeless semifinalists.
Of course, given the situations that homeless kids are in, I wouldn't at all expect that other things should be considered equal, and that it would be extremely surprising to find the same distribution for such achievers between homeless and non-homeless kids.
With that said, though, one semifinalist is not at all surprising.
Especially with what's being done to the middle and working classes in this nation.

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Re:Homelessness Doesn't Break the American Dream. by the+eric+conspiracy · 2012-01-13 15:28 · Score: 2

You are living in some sort of La-La cloud.
Homelessness is a real and growing problem in Canada. Children and young people are the fastest growing subgroup of the Canadian homeless population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Canada
Re:"Anyone can do it if they try, so why aren't yo by RightSaidFred99 · 2012-01-13 15:46 · Score: 2

Because it's a stupid question. It's necessary to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps unless you get lucky, work hard, or had a relative who did the same.
See, this life isn't easy. Shit doesn't get handed to you. You're seriously pretending there's a "question" as to why someone should have to work hard to advance in life?
Thank got our forefathers down through history didn't ask this asinine fucking question, or they would have been all "Meh, we're fine. Let's just all take care of eachother, don't work too hard out there developing new and better ways to do things!".
god .... by unity100 · 2012-01-14 01:32 · Score: 2

i skimmed the comments, and over 50% of the comments are americans finding excuses or rationalizing homelessness.

tells a lot about why that country is in that knee deep shit as it is.

there is a hole in the roof of the house, half of household is getting wet, but the other half is making excuses and rationalizations about how hole will be magically self-fixed, or how there are holes in other roofs too, or how getting wet incentivizes people to 'work', or how the people getting wet in a fucking house with a hole in its roof are 'lazy'. its your fucking house.

let me tell you : this is stupid. escapist. lazy. self-centered. and will eventually bite YOU in your ass, which deserves it soo much.

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