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Homeless Student Is Intel Talent Search Semifinalist

An anonymous reader writes "Samantha Garvey, a senior at Brentwood High School, has managed to become one of the remaining 300 semifinalists in the Intel Science Talent Search this year. Her research focused on mussels and on her discovery that they change the thickness of their shells if a predator such as crabs are introduced. Why is Garvey's achievement so impressive? Because she and her entire family are homeless, and rely on a local homeless shelter. Such a situation would stop many students from being able to focus on studying, let alone a research project, but Garvey has instead used her situation as motivation."

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  1. I really hate this article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the first time in my life that a homeless person made me feel like a loser.

    1. Re:I really hate this article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know why, this story is perfectly cromulent.

      Remember, a noble spirit embiggens the smallest of men. Or young women, as is the case.

    2. Re:I really hate this article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Go ahead and be crabby; she will just gain even more mussels.

    3. Re:I really hate this article by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're modded funny, but it's a serious matter. Remember this next time you decide that the poor and homeless are just bums who got where they are because of their own failings. The fact is any one of us could be there and might one day end up there through no fault of our own. It is by far more likely than it is for us to join the rich crowd.

      I hope this helps lift her and her family out of their situation.

    4. Re:I really hate this article by Splab · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well homeless shelters are big buildings usually. Wouldn't surprise me if it had a 1.2M price tag.

    5. Re:I really hate this article by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, occasionally you'll find a sad story wherever you look, but a vast majority of homeless people are homeless people because they fucked up their shit.

      What about their kids?

    6. Re:I really hate this article by forkfail · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So much for "There but for the grace of God go I" (or whatever method of expressing empathy you care for).

      Nope - these days, it's all about lazy, entitlement seeking, dirty, smelly, socialist, thieving, parasitic trash sucking the life out of the economy.

      At least - right up to the point at which BigCorp your work for outsources your job and you can't even pay the mortgage on your rather modest home or feed the kids... suddenly, maybe, it occurs then that perhaps some of these folks just maybe weren't just lazy scum.

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    7. Re:I really hate this article by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He could just be an upper-middle class young adult who still believes that if he works hard enough, he'll one day get to join the 1%. Just wait until he or someone he cares about gets sick and loses their home, or until Bain Capital or similar buys out his business and decides his job could be better done by a coworker working unpaid overtime, or until his life savings get wiped out by some Wall Streeters run amok and leave him with nothing to retire on.

      Sadly, for some people it takes experiencing bad luck themselves to realize that the poor aren't poor out of laziness.

    8. Re:I really hate this article by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So we must allow the 1% to continue robbing us until we are literally starving to death. Only then can we raise a (feeble, emaciated) fist against them.

      Has it occurred to you that the longer we wait to solve the erosion of the middle class, the harder it will be?

    9. Re:I really hate this article by forkfail · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's turn your question around.

      What meritous work do the 1% do to deserve the rapidly increasing and disproportionate chunk of the wealth that they get?

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    10. Re:I really hate this article by GiganticLyingMouth · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually her family had been homeless since she was young, but were able to move into a house recently for some time. Then the parents got into a car accident, and they had to leave. So yes, she has been homeless for much longer than 13 days. (this information was included in the yahoo article about her, which was on their site a days or two ago)

    11. Re:I really hate this article by quax · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I might add especially the 1%ers who inherited their wealth.

      If everybody started from a level playing field the wealth disparity would be much easier to tolerate.

      The way it is, the US turns into a neo-feudal society.

    12. Re:I really hate this article by sjames · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, figures demonstrate that income isn't keeping up with productivity for the vast majority of the population, but for the super rich, income is skyrocketing. That means that MOST people aren't getting out what they're putting in. That isn't some lame excuse like 'the way it is', 'reality', 'probability', or 'evil polka-dotted leprechauns', it is a systematic inequity in our society that needs to be addressed. Many people strive, don't suck, and things don't work out anyway.

      Though none are perfect, the vast majority of 1st world countries make a better effort than the U.S. to address this.

      Nobody has worked out how to stop bad things from happening but most civilized countries have figured out how to reduce the impact of those things or at least maximize the odds of recovering from them.

    13. Re:I really hate this article by Strider- · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What about them? I think that homeless shelters are a Good Thing, and certainly so in the case of helping kids who had no choice about the situation they were born into. But let's be real--the kids have the same genetics as their parents. If the parents were losers then odds are the kids are too.

      Translation: "Are there no prisons? Are there no poor houses?"

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    14. Re:I really hate this article by Jessified · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have mixed feelings about stories like this. While I hope that she is able to do something special and help her family, if she does, that only sends the message that any poor person can do so, and that they don't means they are lazy. You find one example of a person who clawed their way out of poverty and all of a sudden the countless others unable to do so are simply lazy.

      Like those you can already see in this thread...

    15. Re:I really hate this article by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Informative

      Generally speaking, though, you get out what you put in. That's not a flaw of the system just because you've decided you want the high life for middling input.

      Not in the USA, where social mobility is essentially dead:

      Several studies have been made comparing social mobility between developed countries. One such study (âoeDo Poor Children Become Poor Adults?")[10][11][12] found that of nine developed countries, the United States and United Kingdom had the lowest intergenerational vertical social mobility with about half of the advantages of having a parent with a high income passed on to the next generation. The four countries with the lowest "intergenerational income elasticity", i.e. the highest social mobility, were Denmark, Norway, Finland, and Canada with less than 20% of advantages of having a high income parent passed on to their children. (see graph)

      From Wikipedia

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  2. Succeeding in a public school, yet! by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well done of her to rise up and be counted. Amazingly, despite everything thrown at her by people who would go so far as to condemn her for the social and financial position of her family, she's using it as self-motivation. Has to be cruel to be homeless and one of the National School Lunch Program kids in a world where many children go out of their way (starving effectively) to hide the shame of their family's misfortune.

    Any candidates for public office feel like giving her parents some employment or shall we go the usual route, use her as an example the American Dream isn't dead, yet, and then abandon them for the next popular thing on the campaign trail?

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  3. How is this even... by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    America (I'm addressing you as a whole).

    How is it that you allow young people, let alone whole families, to be homeless, to live in "shelters".

    WTF is wrong with you people?!

    You are supposedly the most powerful nation on earth, the wealthiest, the nation that is spoken to exude opportunity and success from every pore.

    And you have whole families, school children, living in homeless shelters.

    I don't care how they came to be in the situation, it doesn't matter how that happened, what matters is resolving it, providing the social, housing, and financial support to ensure that every body can call somewhere home.

    For every one remarkable individual like this who manages to overcome the adversity, I hate to think how many are dragged down by the circumstance.

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    1. Re:How is this even... by Ouchie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Income inequality is just envy. - Mitt Romney

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    2. Re:How is this even... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Informative

      America (I'm addressing you as a whole).
      How is it that you allow young people, let alone whole families, to be homeless, to live in "shelters".


      Name the country that does not have homeless people. Not saying the US does not have problems (oh hells yes we do!), but there are homeless everywhere.

    3. Re:How is this even... by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Informative

      America (I'm addressing you as a whole).

      How is it that you allow young people, let alone whole families, to be homeless, to live in "shelters".

      WTF is wrong with you people?!

      You are supposedly the most powerful nation on earth, the wealthiest, the nation that is spoken to exude opportunity and success from every pore.

      And you have whole families, school children, living in homeless shelters.

      I don't care how they came to be in the situation, it doesn't matter how that happened, what matters is resolving it, providing the social, housing, and financial support to ensure that every body can call somewhere home.

      For every one remarkable individual like this who manages to overcome the adversity, I hate to think how many are dragged down by the circumstance.

      There are those who are homeless in America by choice (live in one of the larger cities in California and you'll know what I mean), many of them prefer the freedom to ru(i)n their own lives for substances or alcohol. I'll give them food, but no money.

      There are those who are homeless due to misfortune - lost of job, breadwinner in family, foreclosure of house loan, etc. These people are not at the bottom of the barrel, but without some form of assistance they could be there. There are shelters and federal and state programs to help them - often those still living in their cars are due to some failure to abide rules or restrictions of shelters. Where I work we track about 1,000 of these families. It's not a small issue, but those people, like this student have a good chance of getting back into a place they can call their own when the economy bounces back.

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    4. Re:How is this even... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      My mother works at one. These families do get everything they need to get back on their feet, they really do. No one wants to see women and children on the street and there really isn't any excuse for it. Unfortunately, not every mother is worth anything. I wish we could take more children away from some of these women sometimes. Some of them are great mothers and manage to make it into government subsidized homes, but some are on the run from CPS and run from shelter to shelter to shelter. The shelter gives every child a free breakfast before class and the mothers are required to take them to it, but some just don't seem to give a damn about their own kids and send them to class late and hungry. It's a tough situation indeed. Very depressing.

      It's good to see a homeless kid trying her best. So many of them just give up on school completely and barely learn to read with no support from any parent. Hopefully her parents are pushing her.

    5. Re:How is this even... by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Name the country that does not have homeless people.

      Yea, that's telling 'em. America, the great and power, is just as powerless as everyone else to resolve a social problem that may be unsolvable. Of course, America isn't really interested in solving that social problem. I don't mean this as a slander or an insult. It's precisely the belief in a sort of Social Darwinism that has made the US such a great power (it also helps that it has a lot of natural resources and a climate that readily allows for most of their extraction, a relatively large amount of space which keeps down the cost of living in most the country, and an effective imperialist agenda not unlike many other empires of the past which might have more to do with it) that keeps a lot of social reform discussion from even coming up; I mean, why fight against a gifted horse just to help a few people? Then there is...

      Not saying the US does not have problems (oh hells yes we do!), but there are homeless everywhere.

      Hunger is everywhere. Vaccinatable childhood diseases are everywhere. A need for high-speed travel for the movement of both goods and people exists everywhere. The desire for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness exists everywhere. I guess we can't actually do anything about any of the above then, though. I mean, the US has problems...like homelessness..so we can't actually discuss working to fix homelessness. That's some master deflection; how about at least trying in the slightest to offer a few valid ideas on why homelessness can't be eradication entirely? That'd probably be an actually valid argument. Of course, that still leaves the potential of homeless almost being entirely eradicated (ie, that the few special cases that show homelessness is inherently inevitable doesn't explain not dealing with homelessness for the vast majority of the homeless).

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    6. Re:How is this even... by SammyIAm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what matters is resolving it, providing the social, housing, and financial support to ensure that every body can call somewhere home.

      What do you think homeless shelters are for?

    7. Re:How is this even... by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most western nations will provide at least a flat to their poor. The only homeless they have are people whose psychiatric problems cause them to refuse the help. The U.S. really is dead last amongst the 1st world.

    8. Re:How is this even... by forkfail · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Long and the short of it is that we've allowed a new, hereditary aristocracy to persuade us that our best interests are aligned with theirs.

      Oh, they're smarter in many ways than the nobility of the past. They know how to blend in just a bit better, while still flaunting their wealth. They've bent the principles of equality and the perception thereof, and corrupted the American Dream, locking everyone else out, but allowing them to still dream the dream.

      This new aristocracy has their fiefdoms in the corporations; they own our government lock, stock and barrel; they keep us at war.

      They own the majority of the media and the mediums, and what they don't have yet, they're working diligently to take. And what information and knowledge there is, they ensure not only control of, but fight to make you pay for.

      And they've persuaded too many people of this nation that caring for the sick and the elderly is somehow evil; that educating the next generation is a waste of money; that governments are not, in fact, created by men to secure the fundamental rights as described by Jefferson. In fact, they've gone so far as to persuade many of the citizenry that any sort of organization that builds out the infrastructure, education and welfare of the people simply for the sake of doing so is fundamentally evil. They've even gone so far as to pervert Christianity to be a worship of wealth.

      And at the same time, we're provided with an ample supply of soma in the form of so-called reality television, video games, professional sports circuses and other thought destroying noise.

      That's what's happened to us, and that is why we allow this.

      And those who have made issue of it are called dirty, unwashed lazy hippies, or seekers of entitlement - an incredibly ironic term, given that it comes from the rights of the nobility - those with title. They've lumped the terms "fascism", "communism", and "socialism" all into one inclusive bucket, not realizing the extremely significant differences between them, nor that our nation has become ruled by the corporations, nor that a certain amount of socialism is required for a society of the size and with the population density that ours has.

      That's what's wrong with my people.

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    9. Re:How is this even... by forkfail · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wrong.


      Garvey and her family have lived in shelters and hotels since she was a little girl. Seven years ago, they were able to move into a house, but in February 2010, her parents were involved in a car accident. They were forced to leave.

      http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/01/homeless-teen-could-win-100000-science-prize-and-new-future-for-family/

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    10. Re:How is this even... by mbkennel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In other words, yet another medical bankruptcy & destitution, which is almost uniquely American in developed nations.

    11. Re:How is this even... by Jiro · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No one wants to see women and children on the street and there really isn't any excuse for it.

      Fortunately nobody cares about men on the street. Maybe that's why over 3/4 of homeless are men.

    12. Re:How is this even... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 4, Informative

      You have around 3.5 million homeless people in the US. In a population of ~300 million, that's about 1.7%.

      Europe has around 3 million homeless people. In a combined European population of ~730 million, that's about 0.4%. That includes Eastern Europe and formerly Soviet bloc countries, most of which are still struggling with massive corruption. In Scandinavia and Northern Europe in general, the number is around 0.15%.

      You have more than four times as many homeless people compared to your population as the average European/Scandinavian social democracy-based "socialist hellhole" and the countries who were mercifully untouched by the "fascism with a communist face" of the Eastern bloc have less than a tenth the amount of homeless people that you do.

      Social democracy (or "socialism" as you yanks erroneously call it) works.

      I'll be watching when your so-called "greatest nation on Earth" implodes on itself. Hopefully, you'll build something sensible out of the ashes.

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  4. Re:I don't get it by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 4, Funny

    The summary says her research is based on her family living arrangements. Is she planning on growing a shell or something?

    Perhaps. I would imagine crabs being introduced into a homeless shelter is not that uncommon.

  5. Rely on a homeless shelter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The linked article kind of doesn't mention that her family was in the shelter for all of a week earlier this month. Still a nice accomplishment, but none of the work she did was done while she was in the shelter.

  6. Re:Exception or the rule? by jd · · Score: 5, Informative

    In all probability, homeless people will follow the same distribution curve as everyone else. That would imply that 2% of all homeless people have an IQ of 148 or above (UK's IQ scale, use your local Mensa entry requirement to figure out what's equal to that) and that 30.9% would be able to complete a degree program if given the opportunity.

    The Great Source of Wisdom says that there's up to 2 million people in the US who are homeless at any given time, some on a more permanent basis than others. It's a fair bet that even the transients aren't really able to get into a university though.

    That would give you 40,000 people of Mensa-level intelligence and around 618,000 people who would be able to complete further education. Finding one person of either level of ability shouldn't be that hard or even unusual - 40,000 people can't be easy to miss and well over half a million should be blatantly obvious.

    Now, the median income of people with a bachelor's degree was 40K in 2009. That's the 25% tax bracket. So, the government is losing 10K per year per person who could have a degree but doesn't, which works out to $6.18 billion just from lost income tax revenue. That's ignoring anything such people might invent or contribute to society (and it's clear from even the one example that these are people who are just as able to contribute as anyone) along with all the money the government could collect from businesses as a result of such contributions. That's a hell of a lot of money to be throwing away. I like pragmatic socialism (note the "pragmatic" part) and social justice, so naturally I want fewer homeless people for those reasons. Particularly because I'm pragmatic - that's over half a million potential innovations that won't happen, over half a million potential entrepreneurs that won't get to start anything... Yes, there will always be homeless and the country can't afford to take care of everyone, we all know that, but this goes well beyond what is sane or rational. The desire to be seen as anti-socialist has become moronic and self-destructive.

    Nobody can help everybody, but $6bln aught to be more than enough to cover the costs of helping far, far more than we are.

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  7. Re:Exception or the rule? by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In all probability, homeless people will follow the same distribution curve as everyone else

    Sorry, but I seriously doubt that. A very large percentage of the homeless population are there because they have mental disorders. I'm pretty sure that there's a much larger proportion of people with an IQ of 80 than those who have an IQ of 120

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  8. Re:Homelessness Doesn't Break the American Dream. by ghn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Canadian speaking here.. An entire homeless family is not something that should be considered "normal" or a consequence of some unfortunate chain of event that we just have to accept. Our society and economy, laws and culture are not that different from the US on most issues, but when I hear about homeless children and families in USA, that's where I truly grasp how vastly different our countries are.

  9. Re:Great! by pluther · · Score: 5, Funny

    We're working on it!

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  10. Not according to the OECD by deanklear · · Score: 4, Informative
    http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=poverty

    40% of Median Income:
    =======================
    14.9% Mexico
    13.2% Israel
    11.3% United States
    11.2% Chile
    10.1% Japan
    10.0% Turkey
    =======================
    7.0% Canada
    5.9% UK
    4.9% Switzerland
    4.2% Germany
    3.4% France

    Thanks for reinforcing the stereotype that Americans don't think about facts before they start screaming "We're #1!"

    In this case, we are 33rd out of 36.

  11. Re:Exception or the rule? by jd · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are correct about the mental disorders, but bipolar people are famous for unusually high IQs as are people with HFA and LFA, and all of these have mental disorders that cause considerable problems with social interactions of any kind (including keeping a roof over their heads).

    Mental disorder rates by State

    90% of homeless in UK excluded from education

    IQ study in US shows "WAIS-R scores were comparable to population means".

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  12. How about absolute poverty? by deanklear · · Score: 4, Interesting

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/20/absolute-poverty/

    In terms of absolute poverty, we're one of the highest in the West, and all of the other nations on the list provide universal health care.

    In either case, it's safe to stay that Americans have some of the worst income inequality out of any country, and among similar Western nations, are in the bottom 10% when it comes to relative poverty rates, absolute poverty rates, child poverty rates, health care, and education. If you'd like to be proud of that, you're welcome to, but I'm certainly not.

    Patriotism is doing meaningful things to improve the lives of your fellow citizens, not pretending a problem doesn't exist to make yourself feel better about your country.

  13. Re:The truth? by forkfail · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Really?

    The homeless rate amoungst school kids is about 2.2%:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2011/1213/Homeless-children-at-record-high-in-US.-Can-the-trend-be-reversed

    There were 300 semifinalists. This means that all other things considered equal, there should be 7 homeless semifinalists.

    Of course, given the situations that homeless kids are in, I wouldn't at all expect that other things should be considered equal, and that it would be extremely surprising to find the same distribution for such achievers between homeless and non-homeless kids.

    With that said, though, one semifinalist is not at all surprising.

    Especially with what's being done to the middle and working classes in this nation.

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