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Programming Prodigy Arfa Karim Passes Away At 16

quantr writes "Arfa Karim, child prodigy, youngest certified Microsoft Professional in the world and winner of the president’s Pride of Performance, breathed her last breath on Saturday night at the Combined Military Hospital in Lahore. Arfa had an epileptic attack on December 22 and had been in a coma since."

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  1. Reading the early comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...it must be asshole day at /.

    1. Re:Reading the early comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...it must be asshole day at /.

      +1

      Early comments are disgusting and bring shame to /.
      RIP Arfa.

    2. Re:Reading the early comments... by spyder-implee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought so too at first, but most of the tasteless comments have been modded down pretty quickly by the rest of the community. The asshole group isn't representative of the rest of us, they just post quick.

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    3. Re:Reading the early comments... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sometimes comments that are insightful to some get modded down by 'politically correct' moderators who don't understand the truth is still the truth even if it might hurt someone's feelings. And then others get modded down because moderators in other countries have a language/translation issue and don't understand the point someone is making and thinks they are being rude, or they don't get a joke. These ones I usually attribute to not understanding local colloquialisms. And sometimes a combination of both. I am sure there are other reasons legitimate posts get marked down, but those are two that come to mind. And true, a lot of those mods get corrected, but not always.

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    4. Re:Reading the early comments... by Patchw0rk+F0g · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was going to mod this thread, but I can't. I've gotta comment.

      Truth may be truth, even if it hurts someone's feelings; being an flaming, chasm-wide asshole is just that: being a flaming, chasm-wide asshole. Even if it hurts someone's feelings.

      Those top-side comments weren't intended to point out any "truths"; they were written to reflect the idiot(s)' world-view, not titillate, not provoke, not query nor question.

      Shit like that doesn't reflect on /. ... you see it everywhere. What it reflects is that there are always going to be bitter, uninformed, closed-minded tiny people in this world. I choose not to be one of them.

      Now. off to the next thread to moderate. Hopefully, all the bile and spite was delivered here, where it can collect and stew in silence.

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    5. Re:Reading the early comments... by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh you missed the fun part of the /. mod system...what happens when you have a loonie. I have one that will wait until the article is off the front page (so no one can undo him) and mods down every. single. post. on anything I say regarding anything FOSS. Doesn't matter what the FOSS project is, doesn't matter if I say "hey its nice" he will zero out anything i post on FOSS even if it takes him 2 days worth of mod points to do so. I give him credit to dedication to his batshittiness, it took him 3 days on the Firefox article because I had 3 plus 4 posts but last I checked he managed to zero all of them out.

      The problem is /. has become infected with rabid fanbois which its no wonder the numbers are dropping. look at how on ANY article about MSFT, I don't care if its about...say some book on sharepoint server management, you'll see someone get a plus 5 for typing "use Linux" like that is some magic answer that has fuck all to do with the topic, a post that says "Google is great" or "they do no evil" will also get modded waay up, even if it has fuck all to do with the topic.

      So I agree we need to try something else, hell ANYTHING else, because too many discussions here become giant fanboi circle jerks with everyone that parrots groupthink going up, everybody that doesn't toe the line getting buried. personally I'd like it if I didn't have to wade through a bunch of "nigger faggot cocksucker" posts but I have to browse at the lowest level just to read the posts that don't follow groupthink. I'd say its worth a shot to try different ways of doing it if for no other reason so we might trip over the right way. i miss the days that we could have a 100+ comment back and forth about something like filesystems and OS designs without it quickly becoming fanboi central, but now its all militant flag waving and it doesn't really matter WHAT anybody says, just that they fall on the right side of the mod's belief system. Currently from what I've been able to gather the current "rules" are Google yay, MSFT boo, Apple yay unless its apple VS FOSS then it is Apple boo,Oracle boo, and Canonical is yay unless its unity then boo. We've ALL seen it, just as we've seen a dozen posts below them going "WTF? Who is modding this crap up?" which of course gets modded down by whomever is modding that crap up, its fanboi central here now and it didn't use to be and I hope it can not be that way again but as long as the current mod system is in place i doubt we'll see the groupthink and karma whoring go away.

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    6. Re:Reading the early comments... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't meta moderate any more because they made it a pain in the ass to see the comments in context. How can I tell if a comment is fare if I can't see what the comment is replying to? Is it on topic? I don't know, I can't see what people are talking about to see. Was it insightful. I don't know... a comment about cats could be insightful but maybe not if they're talking about dogs. (I avoided a car metaphor there.) If you can't easily see the preceding comments then it is pointless to meta moderate. And the last time I tried it about a month ago, I just remember having to jump through hoops to find the parent so that I could understand the post. And sending Slash dot a suggestion or complaint doesn't get you anywhere. So fuckit, I don't bother.

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    7. Re:Reading the early comments... by RogueyWon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've noticed your little stalker before - he's quite impressively broken (albeit often hilariously so).

      You're right to point at some of the flaws in the mod system and the groupthink it promotes. I'd also agree with some of the specific examples you've picked. However, I'm going to play the optimist here; I think things are actually getting (slightly) better, rather than worse.

      I've been posting on this account since the end of 2003 - mostly on the games stories, but also on some of the general business/sciency ones. I used to have a little challenge I'd set myself when making posts on relevant games threads: "say something critical of Nintendo and still end up at +5". I remember one post which fluctuated several times between +5 and -1 over the course of an afternoon (eventually ending up on +4). These days, that doesn't seem like such a problem.

      Similarly with MS - five years ago, being even remotely nice about them was a 1-way ticket to modding oblivion. But then, I've had a number of posts which were fairly nice about them hit +5 uneventfully over the last few months. I've also noted a lot more modded-up posters who admit that they use Windows as their sole OS these days. Five years ago, I felt that put me in a minority on here. Not so much any more.

      That said, I guess there's another explanation here. It might not be that the nature of the slashdot community has changed, but rather that companies/products themselves have evolved and the groupthink consensus has just evolved over time to follow suit. After all, over the last few years:

      - Nintendo have upset a large portion of their hardcore fanbase by basically ignoring them through the product life of the Wii, focussing on 1-shot exercise and party games instead. They still have a few rabid fans left, but there's a big disillusioned crowd out there, which just wasn't the case 5 years ago.

      - Apple have gone from being the charming underdog to being scarily big and powerful. The effects of their walled-garden mentality are becoming more relevant and painful.

      - Microsoft haven't really done anything outright evil. They've been pretty incompetent in places (Vista, 360 RROD, anything their marketing department does), but the sense of malice you got in the 90s and early in the last decade just isn't there any more. They've also done some pretty cool things, such as Kinect.

      - And at the same time, Windows has reached the point where it is, for the most part, stable, reliable and pleasant to use. This at a time when Linux on the desktop hasn't exactly been making great strides forwards.

      I suppose there's an easy way to test this. Let's see if I can get a +5 modded post that says something nice about Sony (who seem to be the new favoured villain of choice).

  2. The first four comments are disgusting. by forkfail · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, folks - what the hell is wrong with you?

    A young woman of tremendous promise and an incredibly positive outlook on life dies far before her time, and this is what you have to say?

    Some really sick folks. First time in a long time that I've actually been embarrassed of the folks here at /., despite some seriously differing opinions.

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    1. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by Beelzebud · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those posts up there do not strike me as "dark humor used as a coping mechanism", from grieving people. It seems more like the work of a bunch of asshole trolls who hide behind the AC label.

    2. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by forkfail · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To get a cert at 9 is pretty amazing. You may not think much of it, but honestly, that's an achievement.

      To get it in a nation like Pakistan, that's incredible, what with all the cultural impediments that must have stood in the way.

      And if you'd read the TFA, let alone listened to the interview at all, you'd know that her attitude was one that others might consider emulating.

      Regardless of this, it's still beyond belief that folks are being so incredibly mean spirited. Even jackals treat their dead better.

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    3. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by beadfulthings · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thank you. It took amazing intelligence and self-discipline for her to achieve the certification at so young an age. She was apparently also a promising programmer. That's especially true if you consider where she lived--surrounded by a culture where young girls are not normally valued for their intellectual gifts. Her death is doubly tragic--not only has a promising young life been extinguished, but a pattern and role model for other struggling girls has been lost. Her family deserves a lot of credit for encouraging her gifts and talents, and they also deserve our profound and deepest sympathy for their loss.

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    4. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by klui · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or driven by jealousy/sour grapes. I sure didn't have the discipline to do what she did when I was her age.

    5. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by Beelzebud · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One thing I've found that is common among bigots and assholes. They hate being discriminated against. Sometimes I love irony.

    6. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is someone who was gifted at something.

      If she learned to fly at 10, she was presumably gifted a sizeable chunk of money.

      Admiral Farragut joined the Navy at nine and was given command of a prize ship at twelve. The idea that anyone under twenty can't actually do much other than play with dolls and watch cartoons is a recent invention.

    7. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by buddyglass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dark humor is a coping mechanism for dealing with the nasty, brutish, and short nature of life.

      There's dark humor and there's intentionally tasteless trolling. Let's not confuse the two.

    8. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by sosume · · Score: 4, Insightful

      would you board a plane which was piloted by an epileptic 10-year old? how is that even legal..

    9. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 4, Insightful

      She was girl well out of their league in both appearance and intellect who accomplished more in her short life the typical Slashdot neckbeard ever will. Add Microsoft to the mix and it's like a glowing bug zapper for these moths of insecurity.

  3. The candle ... by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... that burns twice as bright burns half as long.

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  4. Re:Certified Crop of Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow, what a bunch of badasses we have here. Way to slam a dead teenager for not being as cool as you think you are. Real men, you are.

    There, fixed that for you.

  5. Re:Certified Microsoft Professional by IANAAC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well at the basic level Certified just means you can pass the test.

    Do you know how old she was when she passed it? She was 9.

    You may not be impressed by that fact, but I am.

  6. Re:The first four comments are disgusting? by forkfail · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps, but I don't make a habit of pissing in open graves before the dirt's even shoveled in.

    And I find it reprehensible when others do it out of some sort of misbegotten patriotism, envy or need to prop them selves up by being vile to others.

    Especially in the case when such potential for brilliance is snuffed out so early.

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  7. Re:Certified Microsoft Professional by tyrione · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well at the basic level Certified just means you can pass the test.

    Do you know how old she was when she passed it? She was 9.

    You may not be impressed by that fact, but I am.

    The tragedy is that she was a young girl in the prime of life and seeing her life taken too soon, not because she was labeled a Microsoft Certified recipient and thus labeled a child prodigy for doing so.

  8. Re:Certified Microsoft Professional by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's pretty special that you consider the phrase "not as gifted as Mozart" to be synonymous with "not impressive". I hope your kids grow up to be Oscar-winning astronaut quarterbacks, or else you're in for quite a disappointment.

  9. Lack of empathy by formfeed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lack of empathy is a clear social dysfunction and the only excuse is adolescence.

    I would not ridicule a 16yo for not understanding how others might feel or how things are for someone else. If you are still busy finding your own identity it is difficult to feel for others. But if you're 20+ and still posting things like the above comments, you are on the way of becoming a pathetic loser.

  10. Re:Certified Crop of Assholes by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A new word for your vocabulary is here.

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  11. A very sad day by wjcofkc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Being familiar with this girls story, I came here to say some kind words. I see that they have already been said.

    For those of you with unkind words all I can say is I have been on Slashdot since 1997 and I have never been so embarrassed and ashamed to call myself a part of this community.

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  12. Spelled Out For The Compassionless Morons... by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here are the reasons why this is a news-worthy item here on Slashdot and why she should be credited for what she did:

    1. The girl was from Pakistan and therefore unlikely to have been afforded similar social & educational privileges than a 16-year old girl in the USA or Europe.

    2. Pakistan is a mainly Muslim country meaning that women have a lower status than men from the moment of birth. Therefore what she did was that little bit more harder for her than for a boy in Pakistan.

    3. It's good to occasionally get a new story from Pakistan where everyone isn't portrayed as either a Taliban terrorist in the mountains or a member of the Pakistan government hiding them.

    4. Maybe if a few more kids in our rich Western countries (I'm in the UK) took an interest in intellectual pursuits like programming, we wouldn't have so many of them dropping unwanted kids or getting addicted to drugs or alcohol. Maybe just one or two of those kids will read this story and take some inspiration from it, possibly change their own lives.

    So now kindly shut the fuck up if you cannot show some compassion.

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    1. Re:Spelled Out For The Compassionless Morons... by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not that it's relevant to this story, but as a mainly Linux person, I wonder if her death would have attracted less negative trolling had she been a Red Hat Certified Engineer or a genius BASH shell scripter.

      I don't feel proud as a member of the human race when people turn a suite of software tools into a religion - be they Linux, Microsoft or Apple zealot.

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  13. Re:Certified Crop of Assholes by madprof · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I so wish I had mod points right now to mod this one up. You hit the nail on the head.

    This is a very unusual story. It's basically a rare human interest story on Slashdot.
    This girl wasn't at all important in the computing industry and she didn't invent anything. It's not like Ritchie or Jobs dying last year.

    But it shows how inept people here can be when they write crap going "oh she wasn't that clever"...well so what? The normal thing to do is just not to post if you can't find anything nice to say.

    To post impolitely on a story like this just shows bad judgement and a lack of maturity.

  14. Re:Certified Microsoft Professional by IANAAC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I had an uncle who was studing CS, so by age 2 I was writing my first Hello World program in BASIC.

    Sorry, I don't believe you.

    At two years old, you didn't have the motor skill to control a keyboard or a mouse, much less read or write.

  15. The article is a troll by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Insightful

    She is called a programming prodigy but no evidence is given, the only "evidence" is a MS certification on a site where MS certification is a gigantic red flag. Certification in general tends not to be popular and the ones from MS are often considered to have less value then the paper they were written upon if the paper was made of shit.

    The article writer probably knows this and also knows that controversy sells ad impressions.

    The simple fact is that a young person died who had some minor accomplishments that most on /, simply do not value since they know adults with the same who are the waste of IT. Maybe if the article poster had given some examples of actual code she had written? Something that would actually impress other developers? But the only links I seen so far are to software that is frankly not that impressive to people from a generation that had to create their own computer from scratch. Don't forget, there are REAL rocket scientists on Slashdot. People that built their own home computer before there were home computers are supposed to be all impressed with a kid that made a calculator in a modern development environment? Not even a very good calculator.

    It might be hard for a 9 year old to do that particular exam but so what? Coders judge other coders on code, not certificates.

    All this is to me is a young person who died who seems to have gotten some minor press attention for an achievement I do not value. Show me her 3D engine, new sorting algorithm, something that makes her a true child prodigy and not just a very boring kid who read a training manual cover to cover.

    Sad she died, but millions die each day. What makes her worthy of special attention? I just don't like fake emotion from people who shed tears over this but never made a donation to stop people from dying or to cure a disease. Slashdot doesn't need human interest stories.

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