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Putting Medical Records Into Patients' Hands

Hugh Pickens writes "Roni Caryn Rabin says patients have a legal right to their medical records, though access can prove difficult. But what would happen if patients were encouraged not just to see their medical records but to take them home, study them and really own them? A research collaboration called OpenNotes set out to answer this question, publishing the first results of a study on physician and patient attitudes toward shared medical records and demonstrating that for patients, at least, shared medical records seems to be an idea whose time has come. 'That's the great challenge in medicine: getting patients to be more active in their own care,' says Dr. Tom Delbanco, a principal investigator of the study. 'What we're doing is opening the black box and letting you look inside.' Dr. Delbanco and his colleagues recruited more than 100 primary care doctors who were already using electronic health records to volunteer to share their medical notes with patients. Patients were enthusiastic: 90 percent thought they would be more in control of their care if they saw the notes. They weren't worried about being confused and most said seeing the record would help them take better care of themselves helping them better remember their treatment plan, understand it and take their medication. The goal is to engage patients more fully in their own health. 'Knowledge is power,' says Jan Walker, the study's senior author. 'A patient goes to the doctor only once in a while, but in between visits, you're making all kinds of decisions that affect your health every single day.'"

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  1. Google Health by milgram · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why was Google not able to make this successful? Is it because people aren't interested in being accountable for their information?

    1. Re:Google Health by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We don't need Google here. All the EMR vendors have patient portals now through which you can see this type of information. Epic / MyChart is a good example. (But other vendors have something similar)

      If your provider uses one of these systems, you can see your record online including test results and the notes your provider enters during/after your visit. There's even an iPhone app. I had an MRI and was able to read the radiologist's documentation on my phone.

    2. Re:Google Health by OverlordQ · · Score: 2

      Why was Google not able to make this successful?

      Nobody knew it existed.

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    3. Re:Google Health by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 2

      I think the goal here is to make it so patients can see this information regardless of the physicians' practice management system. Granted, it's very cool that some EMR systems will produce these records, but wouldn't it be even better if they could all produce a standard format that could be read by other systems and not in some proprietary format (as they all currently are, except maybe a few open systems like OpenEMR)? This way other medical providers, not just patients, could have access to ANY patients' chart without having to get a signed release from the patient (assuming they are conscious) and then having to wait for their primary care physician to fax the barely-legible records over. Imagine the time saved in an emergent situation if all this information was just a few clicks away.

      Of course, any time data is widely available like this you run the risk of having it leaked or stolen, but it's really the inevitable solution and the company that comes up with the standard format and develops a way in which all these practice management systems can share their electronic records while providing reasonable security for transmitting and storing these records, is the company that will change the way medical information is shared and will ultimately save lives, whilst no doubt becoming very, very rich.

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    4. Re:Google Health by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Yes. I'm not sure what axe the TFA is trying to grind.

      “The medical record is information that really belongs to the patient, but it’s treated like a classified document,” said Susan B. Frampton, president of Planetree, a nonprofit organization based in Derby, Conn., that promotes patient-centered approaches to health care. “It’s symbolic of the power differential in health care.”

      Really is bullshit. In the US you have an absolute right to a copy of your records. For a reasonable price. In my ER, we send tourists home with copies of all the relevant tests we do and a nice little CD of any radiographs. We'd send the dictation except that it hasn't been done by the time the patient leaves. The discharge instructions do have the phone and fax number of Medical Records and we generally encourage people to show the form to their local doc when they get home.

      If you are at all interested in your health (which describes only a small subset of the patient population) it's not hard to get copies of everything.

      Now, it's a bit disorganized, nobody is taking any pains to put it all together in one nice little product, but the entire system is rather fragmented.

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    5. Re:Google Health by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The EMR system I work with can print the whole thing out or store it as PDF on a CD. Requests are fairly commonplace, though most are made by legal entities rather than individuals.

      Most people simply don't know that you can request it.

    6. Re:Google Health by Unordained · · Score: 2

      The clinic I worked with (as programmer) once announced that they HAD to destroy records after 7 years. As I recall, HIPAA only required them to keep the records for at least that long -- not keep them then destroy them at 7 years + 1 day. But with that kind of misunderstanding, we can't trust our doctors' offices to be the keepers of our data.

      Also, this isn't just about us keeping and reading our own data: it's also about making it easier to go from doctor to doctor. Sure, a hospital/ER might willingly give out data to patients -- but is it in a format that's easy to import at all other doctors' offices? No? Well damn. How does one doctor know what else you're seeing doctors for? You ... tell them. In that painful intake form, that's hand-written, every time you come into the office. My sister went to the trouble of taking all her records from other doctors (painful to get) to a new doctor, only to have him dismiss all of it and start his diagnostic path from scratch. Why bother to read through someone else's notes? Pshaw! Just start over. No reason to save time by not repeating experiments, when a patient's well-being is on the line, and they came to you because previous stuff didn't work.

      We should have our data. And we should be able to present it when we go to any doctor, to bring them instantly up to date on your history -- generally as a patient and specifically to the conditions you want treated.

      The closest I've seen is this: vets' offices. Maybe it's thanks to a monopoly in the vet industry, but quite a few of the vets we've seen over the years (as we moved from state to state) used the same software. They could read the print-outs we brought from other vets' offices (we had to keep all that in a folder ourselves, nothing electronic) because it was in exactly the format they were used to. That's at least a step up.

      France, by the way, uses (used?) a nationally-issued "carnet de sante" in which all your doctors would write their notes, at least for kids. Standard format, all vaccinations and other procedures and observations recorded, dated, with doctor information in case a phone call was necessary. And it was carried by the patient. I don't recall french doctors' office having large shelving units full of old patient data -- they relied on the patients themselves to bring that back in each time. And they took the time to re-read old notes, both from themselves and from other doctors. It IS doable.

    7. Re:Google Health by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      This way other medical providers, not just patients, could have access to ANY patients' chart without having to get a signed release from the patient

      Um, this is what HIPAA, among other bits of legislation, is designed to prevent.

      How would you like it if your insurer's doctor in residence was able to access your chart without having to get a signed release? How about your employer's doctor? How about some guy in Brazil, who sells this data to the highest bidder by the MB?

      Since medical providers only hold your data for a limited amount of time, I'd LOVE to be able to have an easily readable backup of everything a MP has ever written/logged/recorded about me, in one place, where I could create my own profile. But I would NEVER want this data to be able to go to anyone else without first going through me or with the express release of either me or my executor. And I don't even have any medical issues worth noting.

  2. And do what with them? by hedwards · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, if patients take the records home with them, then what. I don't personally have any knowledge that would allow me to understand the records. Most folks probably don't know how to secure them properly.

    Sure people do have the right to see those records, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they should be encouraged to take them home with them. Of course make it clear that they can look or take copies if they like, but encouraging it seems like a poor idea.

    1. Re:And do what with them? by PPH · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Plausible deniability. Once you take your records home, your physician is free to sell them to anyone. If you discover a copy of your records out there in the wild and complain to your physician, he'll just say you must have lost control of your copy.

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    2. Re:And do what with them? by Anrego · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is kind of what worries me.

      The internet provides a great deal of medical information, however you still need someone with experience to relate it to a specific case. Patients trying to make sense of their own medical info combined with the amount of information out there (some good, a lot bad, some terrifying) may lead to some issues.

    3. Re:And do what with them? by Synerg1y · · Score: 2

      How ever do you hold on to your birth certificate or SSN card then???

    4. Re:And do what with them? by hedwards · · Score: 2

      The doctors I see all give me an after visit summary as I leave the appointment. It leaves out most of the things that aren't relevant to the appointment and mostly just contains information necessary to follow doctor's orders. Then there will usually be information about what to watch for and when to make a follow up appointment.

      But, taking home the entire record or subset of it seems like a bad idea.

    5. Re:And do what with them? by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are much safer when they're not in the hands of people who have no real use for them.

      What a remarkable statement to say. There are two obvious counterarguments. First, it's your health. Even if you can't understand much of it, you have a huge stake in what's in there and what you can understand may have significant health benefits for you. That's a big, real use of those records.

      Second, I doubt it's that hard to make use of your own medical records. You don't have to have the extensive knowledge of a doctor in order to keep track of your problems. The knowledge problem is far more limited and you have a head start in understanding in that you are experiencing the medical conditions described in your medical report.

    6. Re:And do what with them? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, one thing they will certainly be used for is the basis of frivolous lawsuits - when that morbidly obese patient takes issue with his doctors notes on his "McDonalds addiction" and total lack of medical reason for the fact that he has size 60EE man boobs, guess where it's going to end up?

      Here in Norfolk, UK, Doctors used to use two terms in medical notes up until the late 1990s (or even later - my wife still sees references to them in notes from 2003 or so), Funny Looking Kid and Normal for Norfolk. The terms refer to congenital issues found in children in the more remote parts of the county, where incest and small breeding stock is still having knock on effects today. The terms were banned after they became legal issues in cases after patients got hold of their notes.

    7. Re:And do what with them? by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't personally have any knowledge that would allow me to understand the records.

      So what? You have the internet, a brain, and you're experiencing directly the medical conditions described in the records.

    8. Re:And do what with them? by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would like to have them just so I could go see a different doctor without the waste of re-testing and the hassle, inconvenience, and frankly, embarrassment of calling to have the records sent over.

    9. Re:And do what with them? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      I don't personally have any knowledge that would allow me to understand the records.

      Perhaps not, but what you do have is access to a massive, global repository of information, replete with search functions; Of course, if you're of the type who's too lazy to Google "cholecystectomy", you're probably not taking home copies of your medical records, either.

      Most folks probably don't know how to secure them properly.

      Yea, filing cabinets are pretty hard to come by these days, huh?

      Sure people do have the right to see those records, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they should be encouraged to take them home with them. Of course make it clear that they can look or take copies if they like, but encouraging it seems like a poor idea.

      Right, because if we encouraged people to be more involved in keep track of their own health and related records, doctors and hospitals would lose that edge they currently possess that allows them to charge exorbitant rates for routine procedures, prescribe boutique drugs that cost an arm and a leg to patients who don't really need them, and generally control not only people's perception of health, but the paperwork that actually details it... and who wants to live in that world?

      I, personally, have never been of the type who would shy away from taking responsibility for myself, but YMMV.

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    10. Re:And do what with them? by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Informative

      The issue isn't when one medical file get sold by a doctor as a single file is useless. usually the problem is when hundreds of files are sold from the same doctor.
      Plausible deniability goes away when a large number of records, more than the national average, from a single doctor get loose. Sorry but I doubt very much any doctor can legitimately claim that all those documents were lost by individual patients.

    11. Re:And do what with them? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, it's your health, but that doesn't mean a novice will be able to understand what the majority of the information means. The details are rabbits that many hypochondriacs will chase until they self-diagnose themselves into oblivion.

      I don't need all the details of my medical history at my fingertips. I just need to follow the advice of my doctor. If I don't like their advice, or it's not successfully addressing a particular medical issue, I'll seek the advice of another medical professional (who will request a copy of my records). I know enough to know I'm not qualified to be a doctor (let alone my own doctor).

    12. Re:And do what with them? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Or the other way, you loose control of your document then your Dr. is in a ton of trouble.

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    13. Re:And do what with them? by rsborg · · Score: 2

      They are much safer when they're not in the hands of people who have no real use for them.

      What a remarkable statement to say. There are two obvious counterarguments. First, it's your health. Even if you can't understand much of it, you have a huge stake in what's in there and what you can understand may have significant health benefits for you. That's a big, real use of those records.

      Second, I doubt it's that hard to make use of your own medical records. You don't have to have the extensive knowledge of a doctor in order to keep track of your problems. The knowledge problem is far more limited and you have a head start in understanding in that you are experiencing the medical conditions described in your medical report.

      Furthermore, as a parent, I have to keep my child's immunization record, and if I don't have it when registering my child for a new school, I'm in serious shit.

      Anyone who is a parent is well aware of keeping medical records... we put our kid's record where we keep our passports and other "don't fucking lose this" papers.

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    14. Re:And do what with them? by khallow · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, it's your health, but that doesn't mean a novice will be able to understand what the majority of the information means. The details are rabbits that many hypochondriacs will chase until they self-diagnose themselves into oblivion.

      So what? Doesn't sound to me like you're a hypochondriac (or at least one that can't manage their condition) and even if you were, I don't see how more medical information makes your condition worse than it already is.

      I don't need all the details of my medical history at my fingertips.

      Ignorance is bliss supposedly but it rarely turns out that way.

      If I don't like their advice, or it's not successfully addressing a particular medical issue, I'll seek the advice of another medical professional (who will request a copy of my records).

      And you'll know this how? Sixth sense? Your patron deity tells you what's going on? Chicken entrails? It takes knowledge to make decisions.Medical information is such knowledge.

      I know enough to know I'm not qualified to be a doctor (let alone my own doctor).

      Which is all a non sequitur since this story is not about you being a doctor much less your own doctor.

    15. Re:And do what with them? by rikkards · · Score: 2

      Mod parent up, it's hard to provide informed consent without actually being informed. Also the GP mentioned details being omitted that are not pertinent to the visit. My opinion is that I will decide what is needed and what isn't.

    16. Re:And do what with them? by khallow · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, he would still be the most important part of all. Context, which only an experienced person can provide, and without which all the remaining internet knowledge, brain function, and personal experience is useless. Doctors aren't smarter than you, but they have more experience and context than any none physician could be expected to have.

      So that's why you should have a doctor. I'm not telling anyone to throw away their doctor. If you could do that, then you don't need the medical records in the first place. Play doctor and make your own records.

    17. Re:And do what with them? by robbarrett · · Score: 2

      Seriously, if patients take the records home with them, then what. I don't personally have any knowledge that would allow me to understand the records.

      You're thinking way too small....

      I would think one of the primary results of this would be the instant creation of a vast array of online services where one could upload the records and see them processed in a variety of way. I also expect that regulation of such services would be a nightmare, since the line between "processing" and "practicing medicine" would be extremely narrow. Security is obviously another issue. On the other hand, in many other areas there have been mechanisms for rating online services that have been at least somewhat successful in granting authority in reasonable ways.

    18. Re:And do what with them? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 2

      You don't need to make a call. That's what signing a medical release is for: You go to the new doctor's office BEFORE your visit, sign a release, and the secretary there calls up anywhere you say you've been treated in the past and get all the records.

      No muss, no fuss. No embarrassment of making calls yourself.

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    19. Re:And do what with them? by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The internet provides a great deal of medical information, however you still need someone with experience to relate it to a specific case.

      The last few times we've visited a doctor we'd already done the research on the Internet and knew exactly what the problem was, so we had to wait around for hours just so the doctor could agree and sign the prescription.

      Doctors should really only be dealing with cases where the cause isn't obvious.

    20. Re:And do what with them? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's an issue with the doctor writing pejorative terms in the chart. If you look at really old records (like before we told people they had cancer) you would get verbiage that would make you freeze in your tracks.

      Any doctor that writes "McDonalds addiction" in the chart deserves whatever hassle they get. It's stupid and unnecessary. Yep, there are docs that do that but not very many. And if you are their patient, you'd do well to understand where this clown is coming from and find a better doctor.

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    21. Re:And do what with them? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You come in with a document that says "takes 4 80 mg Oxycontin twice a day for back pain" and ask me for a refill, I am rather likely to check the veracity of the claim. You come in with a document that says you had your gall bladder removed, I just might believe you (but I'd look for the scar, if appropriate).

      We're not that stupid.

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    22. Re:And do what with them? by hedwards · · Score: 2

      That's why you get a doctor you trust and ask lots of questions. I happen to have Gilbert Syndrome and there's really no reason why I even need to know about that, at least not unless I come into the doctor worried about jaundice.

      I would venture to guess that most people have at least one or two of those sorts of conditions that are only really relevant when interpreting medical tests. You do need to listen to your body and advocate for yourself, but it's asking a lot to expect a lay person to come through a medical record and get anything useful out of it. The information you can actually make use of is only a small fraction of the total medical record. You know things like weight, blood pressure etc.

    23. Re:And do what with them? by vlm · · Score: 2

      While you're at it, block people from obtaining their financial and legal records also, since they'll probably not do anything intelligent with those either.

      Really, I'm mystified at the hostility. I was named in my grandmother's will, and the lawyer executor sent me all kinds of stuff that I'm sure an idiot would never figure out but a reasonably intelligent guy combined with google, pretty much figured out, and dang it, I should get a copy of the will.

      Ditto the financial records, I don't see the hostility toward getting a bank statement.

      The interesting thing, is in our corrupt kleptocracy, everyone important already has a copy of my records or can trivially obtain a copy of my records... so why not me?

      Lets give this a /. flavor... What if everyone in the world could read the whois record for your domain registration except for yourself, and everyone tried to convince you if you could see your own whois domain registration info, you'd probably just F it all up anyway, so you're better off being seemingly the only human being on the planet without access to it.

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    24. Re:And do what with them? by blair1q · · Score: 2

      Except that it might be a real condition. I'm pretty sure I had it. Addictive behavior related to certain fast-food menu items. To the point where, after I'd kicked it, I genuinely suspected there had been something deliberately addictive in there.

      Later on I learned that certain combinations of fat and carbohydrates are themselves habituating to the point of addiction. Fast-food joints have that stoichiometry nailed. The composition of their most popular menu items make them about as nutritious as the same mass of ice cream.

      But calling it that on a medical chart seems like a perfectly reasonable thing with not much other explanation necessary.

    25. Re:And do what with them? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Informative

      When the same patient has presented twenty times in 6 months, demanding that the doctor diagnoses his "glandular problem" to solve his weight issue, while being seen in the waiting area clutching a McDonalds bag and drink on several occasions, it's not a wrong statement to make, especially if he intends on going to another doctor if you refuse the diagnosis.

      It's not stupid nor unnecessary - sometimes the patient is the issue, and it's fine to note that in the records. As a doctor you can and should make a note of such observations, because it helps with diagnosis later on for other issues.

    26. Re:And do what with them? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      You can contact the pharmacy to see if that prescription was valid. You would have to decide if the prescription was appropriate. Just because one doctor prescribes a drug doesn't mean you have to agree. And narcotics are a big minefield since there are so many varied opinions as to what is 'appropriate'.

      My point basically is that patient held medical records would not be considered the canonical record. In many cases it would be fine, in some edge cases, not so much. The bigger issue would be knowing how complete / incomplete the record is. Maybe the patient didn't bother getting the chart from one office that had some critical information - that's always an issue no matter where the data comes from, however. Just like in a big programming project, documentation often sucks in the real world.

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    27. Re:And do what with them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      > calls up anywhere you say you've been treated in the past and get all the records.

      Does not work in the US thanks to HIPAA. The Democrats made sure to protect the medical cartel from internal competition. The vast majority of doctors will not release records because of the civil and criminal burdens imposed by the Democrats with HIPAA. I work on medical billing and scheduling software for a living, and I don't know of any of our customers that will release medical records without a fight.

      For example, even though I work in the industry I wasn't able to get an MRI released from the ER. I had to have a second one done for my oncologist at a huge cost to my insurance company. Aetna didn't even fight the claim because they know duplicate tests because of stupid medical laws are the norm.

    28. Re:And do what with them? by tbird81 · · Score: 2

      People overdose on the stuff all the time - deliberately as suicide attempts/"cries for help". You need to take a box of tablets to have any affect on your liver function tests, and the liver can repair itself completely.

      Taking 1gram four times a day, for decades actually has no measurable negative affect on your health.

    29. Re:And do what with them? by Unordained · · Score: 2

      My wife's family has a lot of Celiac disease going around. I can promise you that, as patients, they know far more about it than any of the general practitioners they visit (or, in one case, the specialists who went 30 years without properly diagnosing it), who probably haven't read about it since they had a few-minute lesson about it in medical school -- assuming they're young enough. The older ones, I've personally observed, tend to just nod wisely, then leave the room and go look it up. And that's something that (more or less) 1% of the population has -- I feel sorry for anyone with a rarer condition. The system of trusting doctors to somehow "know everything" and everyone else to "know nothing" can't work, the limits of our individual knowledge don't scale that way. (That said, it'd be a good start for doctors to acknowledge their own limits. As engineers, we're quite willing to look stuff up when we run across it, but I don't see that so often in the medical field. Is that the result of being told, right or wrong, that medical school was where they'd learn everything? An over-developed skepticism of anything they read? I really would like to know. Because it seems far too common to have doctors who don't take the time to learn and become experts in their patients' less-common conditions.)

  3. Read the title too literally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thought maybe they were implanting chips with health records into patients' hands.

  4. Could go both ways by RogueyWon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mixed views on this one. I can see the reasons why it might be a good thing. I'm also conscious, however (having spent quite a lot of time around doctors back when I was doing summer work in a general surgery in the late 90s) that one of the big problems with giving patients too much information is that they will take it and - lacking medical training - use it to jump to the wrong conclusions, imagining all kinds of ailments that they just don't have.

    Certainly, there are no end of cases of people looking up symptoms on the internet and deciding that they have a combination of ebola, bubonic plague and some obscure disease that only affected horses in 13th century Denmark, when in fact they have the flu. It wastes a lot of medical time and effort that would better be spent elsewhere.

    That said, you do also hear the occasional stories of missed diagnoses of much more serious illnesses. Like I say - could go either way. I suspect that it would need to be accompanied by a lot of work on putting information into the appropriate context and providing advice on interpreting it, which could be expensive.

    1. Re:Could go both ways by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Certainly, there are no end of cases of people looking up symptoms on the internet and deciding that they have a combination of ebola, bubonic plague and some obscure disease that only affected horses in 13th century Denmark

      This happens now anyway. Please stop trying to protect people from themselves. Paternalism didn't work in medicine, and it certainly doesn't work in government. People are adults and ultimately are responsible for their own actions/inactions. Patient autonomy is a fundamental component of modern medical ethics. Let people live their own life how they want, right or wrong. It's very easy to tell people how to live. How do you feel when they tell you that you are the one who is wrong? Or are you never wrong?

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    2. Re:Could go both ways by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      ...one of the big problems with giving patients too much information is that they will take it and - lacking medical training - use it to jump to the wrong conclusions, imagining all kinds of ailments that they just don't have.

      Or, they might discover what their real ailment is, or maybe that none exists, and/or that the doctor is simply prescribing whatever the big pharma sales reps are comping them the most for prescribing this quarter and not what's in the patient's best medical interests.

      Expect a huge push-back against this idea from big pharma and those tied to them, along with those that share common interests and goals in government and the private sector.

      You control people's health and healthcare, you control those people...period. That's a lot of power, and certain to be a target of anyone wishing to exert control over a population. The first goal in removing people's power over their own health and healthcare is removing the ability to know and own their own medical history and test/diagnosis/prognosis/treatment data.

      It reminds me a bit of the medieval Catholic Church that didn't allow non-Latin bibles to be printed or services to be spoken in anything other than Latin. Some of the same motivations may be contributing to opposition to patients owning/possessing their medical data.

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  5. Found it useful while living in France by xlr8_joe · · Score: 2

    Personally, my family found it useful while living in France, where having copies of your medical records are your responsibility. For someone like myself that saw the doctor 1 or 2 times a year, it was convenient to go back to him and say, yah, last time we tried these two medicines for my cold, and this one worked, can you prescribe this one, etc. Nothing complicated, but it helped to make a bit of a closed loop on the treatment history if I was actively involved in the treatment history. Just my experience.

  6. Re:I hate the current procedure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If that pisses you off, just wait until you realize you've been seeing a chiropractor.

  7. have these people ever seen a raw medical record? by queequeg1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "They weren't worried about being confused and most said seeing the record would help them take better care of themselves helping them better remember their treatment plan, understand it and take their medication."

    I had to laugh at this finding. I am a non-clinical worker in the healthcare industry and hold a post-graduate degree. Still, it takes a good deal of effort for me to fully understand a typical raw medical record. Assuming you get past the jargon used in most records (no small feat), you then have to see the big picture, which may or may not be spelled out in the record.

    One huge issue is that providers have no motivation to chart with the idea that a patient will end up reading the record for substance. The primary motivation for most providers is to create a record that (i) will be understood by other highly educated medical professionals and (ii) can serve as the proper basis for creating a proper bill. I cannot think of a system that is less geared toward creating material that an average patient can understand (except, perhaps, if the record were in cuneiform).

    I recently negotiated the purchase of a software program that takes a physician's instructions to a patient and suggests edits such that a 6th grader could understand the instructions. All written patient instructions are being run through this system at our hospitals (subject to ultimate review by the doc before they are handed to the patient). But these same 6th-grade level readers are now going to glean substantive meaning from a raw medical record? This is either evidence of how few people have reviewed a raw medical record or, alternatively, that hope springs eternal.

  8. It is inevitable and probably a Good Thing by BilGe · · Score: 2

    My sister works as a Medical Assistant in a very small family practice. In fact, the practice is so small that my sister and the doctor are the entire staff. They hire an electronic medical records service from "the cloud". This service makes it possible for every patient of their practice to have on-line access to their records. The records get updated in near real-time because both my sister and the doctor use tablet computers. The tablets go everywhere, even the exam rooms, so as notes are taken they go directly to the patient's records.

    I have not heard any details about how many of their patients actually USE this service. I would bet no more than half, since many of their patients are geriatric cases - too old to want to bother to learn how to use a computer.

    My sister and the doctor both are very much in favor of this kind of access to medical records. They think it makes their job easier. It gets more details to the patients and it does not tie up the phone just to be reading records to someone. It also lets patients remind themselves about treatment decisions that have been made.

    It requires an ActiveX object to access the records and so is useful only for Internet Explorer users. The vendor is supposed to be working on a way for Mac users to get access as well, but they are not there yet. Firefox and Linux? Ferget it! Heck, they just added support for IE 9 and 64-bit Windows a few months ago.

  9. Re:Sure, I'll take 'em by dmr001 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a doctor, I really think of your medical record as mine: what I gleaned from your complaints, what exams I did, who I talked to, and what I thought was going on and what to do about it. I know you are paying for it, but I'm the one doing the work and putting all that medical school to use.
    That said, I think you should have access to it, for free, and modern electronic health records allow that: once I review a result or record I can release it so you can look at it online. I also now document in my charts with the idea that the patient or family member might read it, so in addition to the technical detail I write the plan and diagnosis in as plain language as possible, and send patients home with this at each visit. (More than half immediately lose this paperwork, in my experience.) These systems, naturally, come at significant, expense and require a fair amount of upkeep, so they are mostly available only at larger practices.
    Having worked previously in a developing nation where patients were responsible for keeping their own medical records (on 5 x 8 index cards), I'm glad we don't do it that way here (I'm n the US). I need a secure copy of what's been done to you and what you're taking, and recall having had a lot of trouble reconstructing lost information from the memory of illiterate folks or damaged records that had gotten submerged in open sewers and whatnot.

  10. Re:Sure, I'll take 'em by andyring · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good points, Doctor. However, I do take issue with your opening comment. Yes, your training resulted in the work being done, but I AM the one paying the bill, and it is MY BODY. Yes, you are doing the work, but only because I am paying you for that service.

    It's no different than if I take my car to the shop, list some complaints, and they fix it. I fully expect to be told everything they did, and why, and their diagnosis, so I can keep a record of it. Why? Several reasons. First and foremost, I'm paying the bill and it's my car. And, with that information in hand, I can have the confidence (or lack thereof) that the problem was fixed and why. And I have that information in case I want to do further work myself, or take it to another garage, or have that information with me if I'm traveling and it needs work to show a mechanic somewhere else. Each of these examples is directly applicable to medical records for the same reasons. If I think my doctor screwed up, I can take my records and show them to another doctor. Or if I'm traveling and something bad happens, I can have those records to show a doctor wherever I'm at. Etc. etc. etc.

  11. In America... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    using electronic health records to volunteer to share their medical notes with patients

    How much storage space will you need for that many pages of "you really need to lose weight"?

    Does it come with a NAS?

  12. Real Life Example of why EMR is a bad idea by xanthos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My wife practices at a major medical center that has adopted this approach. Most of her patient population are non-English speaking immigrants that have no use for this piece of paper and so they tend to just throw them out anywhere convienent or leave them in the waiting room.

    What's worse, is that my wife is required to give this to them at the end of their visit. This means that my wife spends almost the entire visit on the computer entering the notes instead of providing personal care to the patient. EMR sounds great in theory, but in reality it turns highly intelligent, highly educated individuals into data entry clerks. Great for the bean counters and the malpractice lawyers, lousy for the practitioners and the patients.

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    Average Intelligence is a Scary Thing
    1. Re:Real Life Example of why EMR is a bad idea by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      When would they fill out the chart otherwise? If they have time to fill it out later, why not just fill it out now? They could just spend the extra time with the patient and get anything that comes up resolved before the patient walks out?

      I just don't get it - if before it took 30 minutes with the patient plus 15 minutes in the office, just spend 45 minutes with the patient now.

      For people who can't read English I agree that the benefit is marginal, but I don't think that we can write healthcare policy around fringe cases unless somebody is being harmed...