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Supreme Court Rules Warrants Needed for GPS Monitoring

gambit3 writes "The Supreme Court has issued its ruling in the case of Washington, D.C. nightclub owner Antoine Jones, saying police must get a search warrant before using GPS technology to track criminal suspects. A federal appeals court in Washington overturned his drug conspiracy conviction because police did not have a warrant when they installed a GPS device on his vehicle and then tracked his movements for a month."

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  1. Good. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hopefully that'll bring this BS to an end, along with ending the jobs of the officers that continue to pull this stunt.
    Is getting a search warrant on someone really that time consuming?

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    1. Re:Good. by halestock · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It may not be time consuming, but I'm sure getting a warrant is a real pain in the ass when you don't have probable cause.

    2. Re:Good. by Tsingi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hopefully that'll bring this BS to an end, along with ending the jobs of the officers that continue to pull this stunt. Is getting a search warrant on someone really that time consuming?

      The police regularly ignore the rules these days, it rarely ever costs anyone their job. In the future they will probably just not enter that particular info into evidence.

    3. Re:Good. by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hopefully that'll bring this BS to an end, along with ending the jobs of the officers that continue to pull this stunt.
      Is getting a search warrant on someone really that time consuming?

      The police regularly ignore the rules these days, it rarely ever costs anyone their job. In the future they will probably just not enter that particular info into evidence.

      Yeah, but having convictions overturned due to failure to follow the law is a sign of incompetence. Consider this case centered around someone who was undeniably guilty of criminal activity, who will now walk free. That's not quite doing the job of Law Enforcement Officer, is it.

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    4. Re:Good. by Tsingi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hopefully that'll bring this BS to an end, along with ending the jobs of the officers that continue to pull this stunt. Is getting a search warrant on someone really that time consuming?

      The police regularly ignore the rules these days, it rarely ever costs anyone their job. In the future they will probably just not enter that particular info into evidence.

      Yeah, but having convictions overturned due to failure to follow the law is a sign of incompetence. Consider this case centered around someone who was undeniably guilty of criminal activity, who will now walk free. That's not quite doing the job of Law Enforcement Officer, is it.

      I figure this is why the action was barred: "The government had told the high court that it could even affix GPS devices on the vehicles of all members of the Supreme Court, without a warrant."
      And they said: "Oh no you won't either!"

    5. Re:Good. by DrgnDancer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ironically in this case, they had probable cause and a warrant. Oddly they chose to ignore the terms of the warrant and invalidate their search. I was reading the facts of this case, and I was appalled; both by the incompetence of the police and their assumptions about privacy and searches. A Federal judge issued a combines FBI/DC police team a warrant to install a GPS device on this guy's car for a ten day period in DC (I'm not clear on whether they had to ten days to install the device, or they could only track him for ten days. It's immaterial as you'll see.) They waited 11 days and got one of the feds to do it outside of DC (he was in Maryland).

      So they went through the trouble of establishing probable cause and getting the warrant; then merrily decided that the warrant didn't matter and proceeded to ignore its restrictions.

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    6. Re:Good. by Jessified · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those pesky checks and balances.

    7. Re:Good. by Cyner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hopefully that'll bring this BS to an end, along with ending the jobs of the officers that continue to pull this stunt.
      Is getting a search warrant on someone really that time consuming?

      The police regularly ignore the rules these days, it rarely ever costs anyone their job. In the future they will probably just not enter that particular info into evidence.

      Yeah, but having convictions overturned due to failure to follow the law is a sign of incompetence. Consider this case centered around someone who was undeniably guilty of criminal activity, who will now walk free. That's not quite doing the job of Law Enforcement Officer, is it.

      Yes it is! You can't break the law and uphold the law at the same time. It is a grave disservice to society letting this many go; but justice would be holding accountable those who failed to obey the law in order to put the bad guys away.

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    8. Re:Good. by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your post should be +5

      It's amazing how many people don't understand checks-and-balances even though they learned it in school. And I'm not just talking about the 3 branches of government, but also the Check of the States upon the central power (tenth amendment).

      The U.S. is like the European Union. A single whole but composed of multiple sovereign governments that retain most of the power to themselves.

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    9. Re:Good. by jaymzter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The U.S. is like the European Union. A single whole but composed of multiple sovereign governments that retain most of the power to themselves.

      Wrong. If you read the Constitution you will see that it is not a compact between "multiple sovereign governments", which would imply that there is some higher authority which resides in the States to create a constitution. Rather, it derives its genesis from "We the People" as a whole. You are likening the Constitution to a contract between individual parties (the States), when in fact the States comprising the Union were in fact never party to the "contract". Their job was to ratify the agreement of the citizens. There was a long discussion about this between 1860 and 1865.

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    10. Re:Good. by ironjaw33 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Punish the people who break the law, punish cops who break the law more severely because they are given more trust, but keep the evidence.

      And here you have the reason for 'tainted evidence' rule - cops are not punished more severely. They are punished very lightly or not at all.

      But throwing out the evidence punishes not the cops or prosecutors but the society as a whole. It makes no sense, it only serves the interest of criminals -- collude with cops, taint all evidence, then taint all evidence of tainting the evidence, and everyone goes free.

      Throwing out illegally obtained evidence protects the innocent from being violated by the police when the police only have a hunch that someone is a criminal. Otherwise, there will always be a cop or prosecutor willing to break the law and receive punishment on the hopes that their illegally obtained evidence will put away a criminal mastermind. If their alleged mastermind turns out to be innocent, what then? Throwing away evidence is premised on the whole presumed innocent until proven guilty idea.

  2. Re:Ruling..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quick someone call the CDC! We have a sudden outbreak of common sense in the Capitol!

  3. All the justices found the 4th amendment applied. by sed+quid+in+infernos · · Score: 5, Informative

    A brief read of Justice Sotomayer's concurring opinion seems to characterize the differences in the justice's reasoning as follows:

    1.) Scalia, Sotomayer, Roberts, Thomas, and Kennedy formed the majority in the opinion of the court, which relied on the fact that a trespass occured when the physical device was planted on the car. The majority did not look at any issues other than the trespass one because the trespass issue was sufficient to decide the case. Sotomayer describes it his way: "By contrast, the trespassory test applied in the majority’s opinion reflects an irreducible constitutional minimum: When the Government physically invadespersonal property to gather information, a search occurs. The reaffirmation of that principle suffices to decide this case."

    2.) Alito, joined by Breyer, Kagan, and Ginsburg, focused more on the impact of obtaining the knowledge - that is, whether GPS tracking data, regardless of whether it's obtained via physical trespass or some other way, falls within the expectation of privacy protected by the fourth amendment. Alito would hold that trespass is irrelevant to 4th amendment law, and that only the expectation of privacy issue is relevant.

    3.) Sotomayer (who joined the opinion of the Court), thinks that Alito's dismissal of the trespassory test would do harm to the constitutional protections, but emphasizes that, in other cases where no trespass occurs, the Court should also analyze expectation of privacy.

    In sum, we have 5 justices who are willing to apply a trespassory analysis (which means physically attaching a device to a car is subject to the warrant and reasonableness requirements of the 4th amendment), 5 justices who think the expectation of privacy involved in one's movements should provide 4th amendment protection when long-term electronic tracking is used, regardless of whether trespass occurs, and at least 1 who thinks both apply.

    It should be noted that, if I'm reading Sotomayer's concurring opinion correctly, the 4 in the majority other than Sotomayer should not be viewed as having rejected the application of the expectation of privacy test to electronic location tracking. Rather, they've emphasized that the expectation of privacy test is in addition to the trespassory test, and expressly declined to evaluate it because the trespassory test was conclusive.

    A couple of other notes:

    (1) The government did obtain a warrant in this case, but the placed the tracker on the car outside the time and physical location the warrant gave permission for. The Court did not consider the government's argument that the technical violation of the warrant's strictures rendered the search unreasonable, holding that the government waived those arguments. Therefore, we don't have any insight into how strictly the requirements of warrants will be applied.

    (2) The Court did not address this, but it's not hard to imagine scenarios where the Court might allow tracking without a warrant. For example, if an officer witnesses a crime but cannot effect an arrest, the Court might allow an officer to plant a device without a warrant due to exigency, and thereafter apply for a warrant. Similarly, the Court might allow a device to be planted during the course of a high-speed chase without warrant, if the means to do so are invented. I want to emphasize this is total speculation on my part, but fourth amendment law goes far beyond "did a search occur?"

    (3) Although there's no holding yet, there's very good reason to believe that obtaining GPS data from non-trespassory means, such as from OnStar or a cell phone, will also require a warrant.

  4. Re:5-4 decision huh? by schwit1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was 9-0.

    Scalia, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which Roberts, C. J., and Kennedy, Thomas, and Sotomayor, JJ., joined. Sotomayor, J., filed a concurring opinion. Alito, J., filed an opinion concurring in the judgment, in which Ginsburg, Breyer, and Kagan, JJ., joined.

  5. Re:Ruling..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quick someone call the CDC! We have a sudden outbreak of common sense in the Capitol!

    I tried but all I heard on the other end of the line sounded like moaning zombies and muffled screams.

  6. Re:cookie by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cookies should require warrants.

    As most cookies are not installed by Law Enforcement, you're not quite following the plot.

    See, I as a private eye, could install a GPSr device on your car or cookies on your computer to serve me in my private investigations (or even my nefarious plot to take over the world) which has nothing to do with the 4th Amendment -- unless Law Enforcement tries to use any of the data I've gathered.

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  7. Re:yeah by mindcandy · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, because of the exclusionary rule. (see Silverthorne Lumber Co. v. United States, 251 U.S. 385 (1920)). The courts have held (rightfully so) that the law itself is more important that ultimate justice. To hold otherwise just encourages misconduct.

  8. Re:yeah by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Fruit of the poisonous tree." The problem is that since police and prosecutors are hardly ever prosecuted for unreasonable search and seizure themselves, pretty much the only incentive for them to follow the Fourth Amendment is to see their evidence thrown out of court if it's illegally gathered. If they routinely went to jail for such violations, it might be a different story -- but they don't, and they never will, so this is what we're left with.

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  9. Re:Looks like the terrorists have won by PortHaven · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why bother?

    Everything you just said above is supported by our the current President's administration.

    Remember it was President Obama's guys arguing in favor of this...not Newt's.

    Just saying..

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  10. He's lucky... by wealthychef · · Score: 4, Funny

    .. he wasn't trafficking in pirated movies, or the judge would have been merciless.

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  11. Interesting break down by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are two interesting facts about this ruling. First all nine Justices agreed that the use of the GPS without a warrant in this case was unconstitutional. However, 4 of the Justices felt that it might have been Constitutional if done for a shorter period of time. What is interesting about that is that the divide was not along the usual divide. The majority opinion was supported by Scalia (who wrote it), Roberts, Thomas, Kennedy (the "swing" vote) and Sotomayor (generally considered a "liberal" vote). While the minority opinion was written by Alito (generally considered a "conservative" vote) and joined by the rest of the Court's "liberals" (Ginsburg, Breyer and Kagan).

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  12. Re:yeah by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    just because he was illegally tracked doesn't mean he wasn't still guilty. The police should be disciplined, the criminal shouldn't be let off the hook

    Cops under your system: That dirty SOB, I know he's guilty of (horrific crime.) It'll be worth going on unpaid suspension for a month just to beat a confession out of him.

    Esp. since there will probably be some charitable giving to the cop during his discipline from other members of the force.

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  13. Warrants by mindcandy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Depends on the judge (I do a lot of subpoena work, on boths sides).

    I have seen some that are "rubber stamped" with only a vague description of what they're after (eg: "computer equipment") .. I have seen some where the judge says "Apartment #3 is not sufficient to identify the residence" and "Computer equipment does not sufficiently identify the property sought" and the police had to go back and get permission (from the landlord) to take a picture of the door and go back to the judge along with serial numbers and such of the devices.

    The judge in the 2nd case is doing it right .. because what if the police work is sloppy and the stolen computer is serial number AB123456 and you have a computer that's DE78910 but the same exact model .. guess which defendant is getting their stuff back.

  14. Re:All the justices found the 4th amendment applie by mindcandy · · Score: 4, Informative

    re (2) : these exist. http://www.starchase.com/

  15. Re:yeah by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unfortunately, the exclusionary rule doesn't punish the cop who broke the law. What we need is a doctrine that says any search, arrest, detention, etc that oversteps legal authority is a crime just as if any non-police officer had done it. Then it's just a matter of prosecuting police misconduct as assault, breaking and entering, etc. You can keep the evidence, but the person who broke the law to get it is going to jail. This is the exact same way evidence is treated if it's collected illegaly by a non-cop, btw.

    Of course, prosecutors are going to be poorly-disposed towards prosecuting the cops they work with daily. So we'd need an independent meta-justice system to keep tabs on that.

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  16. Re:Ruling..... by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even crazier -- it was a fucking unanimous decision. Not one of them disagreed with the fundamentals.

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  17. Re:Ruling..... by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Funny

    I tried but all I heard on the other end of the line sounded like moaning zombies and muffled screams.

    Are you sure you called the CDC and not Congress?

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  18. Re:Ruling..... by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the most part people sit and complain about the ruling they don't like, for the ruling they do like they mostly shrug and say, well yes of course.
    The Supreme Court is generally disliked by both parties, The conservatives think the Court it too liberal, the Liberals think the court is too conservative. However it is mostly because the way the Court is structured it is outside the normal showboating politics, where a Judge who tends to lean one way will not get his job threatened for "Flip Flopping" or what is more generally called changing ones opinion based on facts.

    The biggest problem people usually have is in their minds Legality = Morality while they are rather disjointed. Often they work hand and hand but not all ways. Because it is legal for you to do something it doesn't make it morally rite. Also if it is moral or immoral to do something it shouldn't be legal/illegal, based on moral alone.

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  19. Re:yeah by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How many police officers would be willing to do their jobs or properly pursue criminals if they didnt get at least some accomodation under the law?

    They get accomodation under the law. They are allowed to do all sorts of things normal people can't do, as long as they follow the proper procedures. If you expect to be unable to follow those procedures, I don't really want you as a cop.

    cops are pushing suspected criminals because it is their job. I don't think we would get better justice by making a habit of pursuing those that pursue suspects.

    The problem occurs when the criminal in question is a cop. If a cop breaks the law, he's a criminal. He deserves to be treated as such. Protecting bad cops is enforcing criminality.

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  20. Re:Ruling..... by DesScorp · · Score: 5, Informative

    They got one right?!?!

    They got two right, with the recent religious freedom case in Hosana-Tabor vs. EEOC. And just like that case, this was a unanimous decision from SCOTUS. That's two Supreme Court ass-kickings in a row for this administration, from both sides of the aisle. I had always thought that the upcoming "Obamacare" case would be a 5-4 ruling either way, depending on what side of the bed Anthony Kennedy woke up on that morning. Now I'm not so sure. I don't think that one will be unanimous too, but now I wouldn't be surprised if it were 6-3 or 7-2 against. SCOTUS seems to be a lot more attuned to the notion that the Constitution is a restraining order against government lately.

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  21. Re:cookie by link-error · · Score: 4, Informative
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  22. Re:Ruling..... by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Funny

    There can't be zombies in the Capital, Zombies eat brains. Duh.