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US Embassy Sanctioned Lawsuit Against Aussie ISP iiNet

New submitter Elenor writes with this story (excerpted) from TorrentFreak, another nugget gleaned from the cables made public by WikiLeaks: "The Canberra Wikileaks cables have revealed that the U.S. Embassy sanctioned a conspiracy by Hollywood studios to target Australian communications company iiNet through the local court-system, with the aim of establishing a binding common-law precedent which would make ISPs responsible for the unauthorised file-sharing of their customers. Both the location, Australia, and the target, iiNet, were carefully selected. A precedent set in Australia would be influential in countries with comparable legal systems such as Canada, India, New Zealand and Great Britain. Australian telecommunications giant Telstra was judged too large for the purposes of the attack. Owing to its smaller size and more limited resources, iiNet was gauged the perfect candidate." The cable describes no overt action on the part of the American embassy, but the wording is telling: "Mike Ellis, the Singapore-based President for Asia Pacific of the Motion Picture Association ... said MPAA did not see any role for Embassy at this time, but wanted to keep us informed."

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  1. Wow. Get a load of that. by unity100 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, american embassies are MPAA's bitches ?

    1. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, the US govt is the MPAA's bitch.
      The US embassy serves the US govt.

      As such, the MPAA's cozy relationship with US politicians permits these sorts of things.

      No quid pr quo my hairy white ass.

    2. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by rhook · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And this is why lobbying and campaign contributions need to be outlawed.

    3. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, american embassies are MPAA's bitches ?

      Not quite - More like the entire US government will bend over for the highest bidder. The fact that embassies serve our interests abroad, and the MPAA can bid pretty damned high, counts as merely an incidental fact in this situation.

      Ironically enough, as a consequence, we may do better with the personally-richer candidate in any election, because it will cost more for them to take any potential buyer seriously. But at this point, it looks more and more like we have only one of the traditional "boxes" of democracy remaining.

      Seriously? We have Hollywood publicly admitting an expectation of quid pro quo for its "campaign contributions" and now this, and the government doesn't give the least bit of a flying fuck. Welcome to the end of the modern experiment. At least we went the "Marie Antoinette", rather than the "thermonuclear global holocaust", route.

    4. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by Avarist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They might want you to call it 'lobbying and campaign contributions', I call that outright corruption.

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      In Capitalist US, the commerce controls the Government.
    5. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by Cryacin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thuggery, buggery and some skullduggery. Hang on a minute, who are the pirates again?

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    6. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by spyder-implee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It totally should, although until then I think that iiNet's court victory coupled with the un-earthing of the clandestine activities of the record company & US embassy will hamper any cases brought by the recording industry in the near future. Or is that just wishful thinking?

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    7. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Even better, Australia needs to throw out the US embassies in their country and cut off diplomatic ties. All the other developed nations should do the same, until we can get our act together.

    8. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thuggery, buggery and some skullduggery. Hang on a minute, who are the pirates again?

      Jack Sparrow, James Hook, Long John Silver, and Guybrush Threepwood.

    9. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by ohnocitizen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Against the US military? Are you KIDDING? Guns won't do anything productive other than cost lives. IF this country somehow manages a revolution, it will NEED to be nonviolent.

    10. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Give us a year or two - for now we still buy a little bit of stuff from the USA instead of directly from Asia where it is made. As you guys keep outsourcing it won't be long before there isn't anything we want to buy from the USA.
      You can keep the military hardware. We've been conned into buying crap as part of political deals - notably some obsolete but expensive torpedoes that didn't fit our subs until we modified the subs (stupid for torpedoes that are not made any more), some ancient Sea Sprite helicopters that were rubbish in 1975 let alone 2006, and some tanks that we can't even use within our own country without tanker trucks following them around. And don't get me started on the JSF. You may have some good equipment but politics and corruption means that instead of supplying it to your military allies you simply drain their military budgets into the pockets of big contributors and make your military allies buy expensive crap as part of a package deal.
      So there you go, you've fucked up your economy so badly that there's nothing much that we want that we can actually buy from the USA.

    11. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just wishful thinking.

      Look, in the political climate that would even consider Newt Gingrich for president, anything other than overt genocide is going to get a pass.

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    12. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yep, our tanks are massive gas guzzlers. Those gas turbine engines are kinda cool in that they can run on just about anything, but then they need so much of it that it kinda negates the advantage, unless you happen to be operating those tanks in the middle east right next door to where the oil is being pumped out of the ground.

      You can probably get much more cost-effective military hardware from the UK. I used to watch your TV show "Sea Patrol" and they had a really nice UK-made cannon on the patrol boat that could lock on targets with high accuracy even in high seas. Not a bad show; certainly much better than the rubbish we make over here. You should export more of your TV to us. Of course, with so many of us watching crap like The Kardashians and Jerry Springer, even something fairly lowbrow like Sea Patrol would still be way too highbrow for us.

    13. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The military is not the problem, I imagine that most will not participate but rather join the resistance.

      What we have to worry about is the militarization of existing police forces and the rise of private security companies authorized to operate inside the U.S. There are large numbers of people who blindly obey anything authority tells them (thank you childhood-indoctrinated religion!) and will act as a snitch network of saboteurs alongside private military and the members of police forces who decided to turn traitor. People who look the slightest bit suspicious or out-of-place would be disappeared overnight.

      What is going on now is that all of the groundwork is being laid for the "Homeland Security" complex to be able to "manage disasters." They feed us with bullshit like "hurricanes" and "terrorist attacks," but their focus has unsurprisingly shifted towards the "lone wolf" terrorist - former soldiers who have witnessed their friends being turned into hamburger now have to come home to being groped up by TSA pigs and stopped at highway checkpoints(like those won't bring back memories of the war and trigger PTSD symptoms...).

      Legislation and political action are doing nothing for the common citizen. If things don't change and continue to get worse, I'll wager that the shit will hit the fan before 2020, and sooner than that if another false-flag attack happens. We could probably even see certain coastal states attempt to secede from the union.

    14. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by Capsaicin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As you guys keep outsourcing it won't be long before there isn't anything we want to buy from the USA.

      We will be still importing billions of aussies worth of US intellectual property (regardless of which manufacturer in which country is collecting it from us). The US govt realised in the 1980s the their manufacturing exports were doomed. Their future would be software and entertainment. That is why the US govt has been so fussed about setting up an international IP regime which they control. That is what the US embassy is doing here trying to hijack Australian common law.

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      Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
    15. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The U.S. embassy did not actually play a role in this, and at no point in the cable do they say that they actually support this case, or plan on offering the MPAA any assistance. All they do was report back to Washington what the MPAA was up to, say they'd keep watch on how it developed. Anyway you don't have to take my word from it, here's the complete cable.

      C O N F I D E N T I A L CANBERRA 001197

      SIPDIS

      STATE PLEASE PASS USTR

      E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/01/2018
      TAGS: KIPR ECPS ECON ETRD AS
      SUBJECT: FILM/TV INDUSTRY FILES COPYRIGHT CASE AGAINST
      AUSSIE ISP

      REF: CANBERRA 1173 (NOTAL)

      Classified By: AMBASSADOR ROBERT D. MCCALLUM JR, REASON 1.4 (B, D)

      1. (C) Summary: On November 20 several media companies filed
      legal action against Australia's #3 internet service provider
      (ISP) iiNet, seeking a ruling that iiNet has infringed
      copyright by not taking reasonable steps to prevent
      unauthorized use of films and TV programs by its customers.
      This is the first such case filed in Australia. The case was
      filed by the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft
      (AFACT) on behalf of the Motion Picture Association of
      America (MPAA) and its international affiliate, the Motion
      Picture Association (MPA), but does not want that fact to be
      broadcasted. Initial reactions support MPAA's claim that it
      has a strong legal case. End Summary.

      A NEW LEGAL CHALLENGE AGAINST PIRACY AIMS AT ISP

      2. (U) On November 20 the Australian Federation Against
      Copyright Theft (AFACT) announced that several media firms
      had filed a case in the Federal Court of Australia against
      iiNet, Australia's third largest ISP, for "failing to take
      reasonable steps, including enforcing its own terms and
      conditions, to prevent known unauthorised use of copies of
      the companies' films and TV programs by iiNet's customers via
      its network." The action was filed by Village Roadshow (an
      Australian company that produces and distributes movies and
      DVDs, among other activities), Universal Pictures, Warner
      Brothers Entertainment, Paramount Pictures, Sony Pictures
      Entertainment, Twentieth Century Fox Film Corp., Disney
      Enterprises, and the Seven Network (one of Australia's three
      major over-the-air television networks and a licensee of some
      of the infringed works). Proceedings will be back before the
      court on December 17; a ruling is unlikely before the end of
      2009.

      3. (U) This is the first such case to be filed in Australian
      courts. iiNet claims that it is protected by the "safe
      harbor" provisions of the Copyright Act - i.e., ISPs are
      merely common carriers of traffic, so the dispute is between
      copyright owners and violators. iiNet said in its media
      release response that it routinely turns over to the police
      evidence of piracy on its network.

      THE REST OF THE STORY

      4. (C) Despite the lead role of AFACT and the inclusion of
      Australian companies Village Roadshow and the Seven Network,
      this is an MPAA/American studios production. Mike Ellis, the
      Singapore-based President for Asia Pacific of the Motion
      Picture Association, briefed Ambassador on the filing on
      November 26. Ellis confirmed that MPAA was the mover behind
      AFACT's case (AFACT is essentially MPAA's Australian
      subcontractor; MPAA/MPA have no independent, formal presence
      here), acting on behalf of the six American studios involved.
      MPAA prefers that its leading role not be made public.
      AFACT and MPAA worked hard to get Village Roadshow and the
      Seven Network to agree to be the public Australian faces on
      the case to make it clear there are Australian equities at
      stake, and this isn't just Hollywood "bullying some poor
      little Australian ISP."

      5. (C) Why iiNet? Ellis said they were the right target on
      several levels. First, they are big enough to be important -
      iiNet is the third largest ISP in Australia. (Telstra,
      owners of top Australian ISP BigPond which has about half of
      the market, are t

    16. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can't buy a vote, this is illegal. However you can buy a Congressman outright and tell em' what to do. This is infinitely worse.

    17. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by Lotana · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By far the biggest hurdle to overcome is people's apathy.

      There is revolution talk here in nearly every YRO story. Does anything comes out of it? Maybe Slashdoters are passionate, but we are the minority compared to the population at large. Not to mention that noone outside of tech circles gives a shit about the functioning of Internet or the government policies towards it. Do you honestly expect people to put their lives on a line because of government regulations towards these computer thingies?

      Until the police state will start to really affect everyday basic living, don't expect to see anything changed. Hell, TSA are molesting people in airports and asking for papers on roads and trains and I haven't even heard of any protests against it!

      Another annoying thing about these revolution threads is that they keep going on about the fighting, but never what happens after. What happens after you shoot all the current authority figures and their pets?

      What will be the new policies? Who will be the new leaders and how will they be different? What will be the new safeguards that will prevent the same issues as the previous ways? What things will be changed? How is the new regime be better than the old? What are the detailed plans for the new governement structure? Why are your ideals worth dying for? Etc.

      If someone can come up with extensive, comprehensive and thorough answers to the above questions and have some charisma, then you might have a start to try to work on people's apathy and conservatism. Without this it is all just talk that can go on without any change for decades.

    18. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by hitmark · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I could have sworn that UK tried, and failed, this back in the 1800s or so.

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    19. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by Serpents · · Score: 5, Funny

      Captain Jack Sparrow if you please!

    20. Re:Wow. Get a load of that. by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Correct, precedent is set and in any future case this evidence as well as precedence will be submitted. Note losers pays so iiNet got a major chunk of it's money back, this evidence could be used in a "Barratry, Maintenance and Champerty" case to gain further damages http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lrc.nsf/pages/DP36CHP2. Major case, major investment but a good chance of succeeding, another countries involvement especially a country with a clear reputation for threats of trade and military intervention will likely leave a vary bad taste in any independent Australian judges mouth.

      Especially now with the US forcing thousands of armed and fully loaded marines Marines, in fact they will be the largest armed and ready for conflict force in Australia, so targeted at China or an independent Australia and it's resources (once in will Australia ever be able to remove them and how much larger will their numbers get).

      Separation of powers works in Australia, and the high court routinely hands down judgements against the government http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_High_Court, strict literal interpretation of the laws and constitution as written and any changes to the constitution require a public referendum.

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  2. Right on time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    As I post this, it's almost 10:00am on Wednesday, January 24 in Perth, Australia where iiNet is headquartered.

    How many Aussies will take to the streets after reading this? Ehhhh... there's one! Oh, that's just a pedestrian... how about that one?!! Nope. Going to his car.

    (sound of crickets)

    (fade to black)

    1. Re:Right on time! by grcumb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      (sound of crickets)

      Well, I don't know about Perth, but in Ballarat last week, Ben Powell delivered an excellent run-down on the status of the AFACT v iiNet case to a fairly large and very interested audience.

      --
      Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
    2. Re:Right on time! by Cimexus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well keep in mind that iiNet, in the end, won its case. If they'd lost, and then this was revealed, then perhaps there would be a bit more of an outcry. So our least our courts gave the MPAA a bit of a smackdown...

      (Not to mention the fact that I'd read this story in the newspaper at least three or four days ago, Slashdot is slow on the uptake!)

    3. Re:Right on time! by ignavus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How many Aussies will take to the streets after reading this? Ehhhh... there's one! Oh, that's just a pedestrian... how about that one?!! Nope. Going to his car.

      Like most Australians, I don't live anywhere near Perth. However, I did recently switch to iiNet as my ISP, and its fight against the Powers of Darkness has made me very pleased with the switch - aside from the fact that they are a good ISP in general. I feel like I am backing the right crowd.

      iiNet has been winning in court so far, so being their customer and recommending them to other people is a practical way of supporting them.

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      I am anarch of all I survey.
  3. Political consequences? by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Passing laws backed by the MPAA is usually a detriment to the victim country's economy (as seen with SOPA) and the quality of life in that country for it's citizens, which will make them unhappy with their government (as rising anger about these laws indicates).

    As such it can be seen as economic and political sabotage of foreign countries.

    For the US embassy to take part in that, couldn't this seen as a hostile act by the victim country?

  4. Re:Your tax dollars at work! by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would say its worse than that.

    I live in the US. Our major exports are IP (movies, recordings, blueprints, and software all together in one group), raw food stuffs, military equipment/aviation goodies, and bad legislation.

    Eg, other than corrupt factory farm operations, (why's the park smell so stinky mommy? That's just the columbia meat packing plant on the hill dear.) And aerospace + military industrial (lockheed martin, boeing, and pals), intellectual property is about the only relevant industry the US has, other than bullshit like the bank and loan infrastructure.

    This is why politicians are all too happy to take bribes err.... "campaign contributions" from those industries, and why they are treated like sacred cows in terms of regulatory compliance issues, and in terms of getting carte blanc with proposing legislation.

    The US is anemic as hell. My government knows it. They want golden parachutes for when the shit hits, so they stay cuddly with multinationals.

  5. Re:Enlighten me, please! by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Other industries certainly possess as much power. The defence industry is involved a lot when it comes to foreign policies (who gets to buy which weapons, which decides the fate of entire countries).
    Big oil companies too can get what they want easily, for example rights to drill wherever they want.

    But in those cases it is real power, created by the scarcity and importance of their products. They don't need to push for laws, or do extreme lobbying, because they already wield that power and no one is going to take it from them soon.

    The power of media companies is mostly artificial. No on really needs them, they created the demand for their services themselves.
    That must be why they push so hard for laws. It's a desperate move to tie themselves into everything, so they can't be easily disposed off.

  6. Re:Act of War by Alicat1194 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Considering how small their population is (~10M IIRC), that must not be very much oil.

    Almost 23M (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Australia), and apparently we use 946,300 barrels per day (http://www.indexmundi.com/map/?v=91) making us the 19th highest user in the world.

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    You can learn a lot about a person if you just take the time to inject them with sodium pentathol
  7. Role of Mark Arbib? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And what role did Mark Arbib play? He is an Australian senator, who is essentially a US spy. The wikileaks cables have revealed that he is in the habit of revealing secret information to the US embassy, to the extent that that the US assigned him a code name as an informant. Has Arbib been behind the scenes doing the MPAA/US government's bidding, shoring up sympathy in the Australian government?

  8. You can dislike Julian Assange all you like by AbRASiON · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Regardless, it's things like this which makes Wikileaks absoloutely a very very important web site for the entire internet. I'm very glad this information has been revealed.

    1. Re:You can dislike Julian Assange all you like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I still think that Assange is a dangerous, mentally ill douchebag

      The guy risks his life and freedom to bring information to us, the people. If what it takes to do that is a "dangerous, mentally ill douchebag" maybe the world needs more dangerous, mentally ill douchebags*.

      * although I agree he poses a danger to abusive governments and corporations around the world, what mental gymnastics did you do to conclude he is mentally ill (or are you his doctor?)? I think calling Assange a douchebag must be the cool thing to do because whenever Wikileaks pops up (even if tangentially) there are always some idiots who can't stop telling everyone how this Assange guy they have never met is such huge douche.

  9. Re:Enlighten me, please! by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Time for some Peabody's improbable history, so step into the wayback machine Sherman, and let's look at the US as it was 100 years ago.

    In 1912, the US was a heavily invested industrial nation, specializing in steel, oil refinement, textiles, industrial machinery, and scientific advancements. It had reached this status through the addage "you get what you pay for", and "the american way." (Which back then meant taking pride in your work, producing only quality goods, and being judged by the quality of your work and of your word. This motif was euphamistically referred to as free market capitalism, since it relied on heavy competition between stakeholders to provide only the finest goods at prices that were reasonable, and the buyers bought for quality and durability. Your products directly influenced your brand's desirability.)

    Over the course of the next 30 to 40 years, these industries vied heavily with one another, eliminating competition, and then reached a certain threshold where they realized that competing with one another was counter productive to producing profits. This is pre rico act, pre sherman act. These idustries had established a thriving local enconomy based on quality goods, which people had become accustomed to buying, and which had greatly improved the quality of living of their native demographic populations. As such, worker wages had gone up, unions had formed, and other "this hurts our profits" influences surfaced. (Additionally, the depression caused many contenders to go under, allowing for a "land grab" by the survivors, accellerating the development of the oligopoly.)

    At first, these companies agreed to not poach each other's profits through initiating pricewars, and instead agreed that they would increase the wealth of their directors and financiers through the reduction of quality in the merchandise produced. As quality dropped, the need for employees that had grown up on an ethic for perfection waned, and with that, the ethic itself also waned. Eventually, the only real characteristic that differentiated a us worker from a cheap foriegn one was the price of employment.

    Skip ahead another 30 to 40 years, after the momentary military industrial booms of the 30s and 40s, to the 60s and 70s. "Deregulation" was the buzzword. Restrictions that had been put in place to protect american citizens from corporate interests were discarded like used toilet paper. Trade tarrifs dropped like sleezy curtains at a peep show. Outsourcing began.

    Over the next 30 to 40 years, most of america's manufacturing industry had flown the coop, electing to capitalize on the post free love generation's niavite' and inherited buying power with cheaply made foreign built products. Buying american made started getting much much harder. Even commodity items like clothes and shoes couldn't compete with the cheaper, and often inferior foriegn labor that was made protiable by dropping the trade tarrif walls. The old vangard of US corporate power had officially left the US.

    In the wake of the second world war, the US motion picture and recording industries sprang into being, thanks to the developments in film and radio technologies, coupled with the obvious propoganda potentials of those mediums. In the ww2 and post era, these industries flourished while the old industrial center declined. The US work ethic had diminished to such an extent by the 60s, that entertainment and pleasure were basically the primary motivational force in people's lives. The idolization of hollywood actors and actresses really came alive. This generation was blinded by hollywood and television, greedily assimilated the "disposable goods" philosophy, and the media industry grew like crazy. (There is no coincidence that this is the golden age of filmography and music in the US. The vast majority of holdings of those industries were created during this time frame. It was a perfect storm for the entertainment industry.) During this time, the technology to really export entertainment to other countries came into

  10. It's worse than that by tick-tock-atona · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to documents released under Freedom of Information, the Attorney-General wants a "solution" to "be educative and aim to change the social norms."

    That's right. They want to force "education" onto the population to make them want to prop up the content industry's failing business models.

    Of course, only industry groups were invited to this meeting. I have to say, Ludlam is the reason that I voted greens in the last election.

  11. Re:Act of War by Cimexus · · Score: 4, Informative

    We have a decent amount of oil (but not massive amounts). We do have a shitton of natural gas, coal and the majority of the world's uranium though...

  12. Re:Act of War by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not only do we have oil, we have coal, natural gas and uranium.

    And what do you all do? Drive on the wrong side of the road and export Vegemite.

    What sort of contribution to civilization is that?

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    Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
  13. Re:Act of War by dbIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We're used to it - we had a bumbling crop of idiots from the bottom of the US intelligence barrel expose themselves as attempting to remove the leader of Australia in 1975 when he was not only doomed anyway but also had demonstrated that he would roll over and do whatever the USA said (eg. East Timor, US listening posts) with nothing more than a grumble. The only consequences of that were some CIA guys using that as an excuse to sell secrets to the USSR, a movie based roughly on the court case after they were convicted, and a quite decent song by David Bowie.
    We know the USA does this sort of stuff. Every few years it inspires a few people to gather outside the US consultate and yell a lot, but mostly we just accept it as part of being an ally of the USA and the nature of portions of the US government being for sale to the highest bidder. East Timor is right on our doorstep so we've got a pretty good reminder that even a President (eg. Ford) can be bought out even by a foreign power (eg. the HUGE donation to the Republican party by the Indonesian President on the day of the invasion and Ford going to Jakarta personally to accept it).
    So yes. We're the bitch of the USA, but the USA at times is the bitch of whoever wants to buy your government even if it is a foreign power. I'll bet Rupert Murdoch has bought a few major changes himself.

  14. Yep..... by NetNed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Then you have Pres. Obama throwing in to tonight's State of The Union that "It’s not right when another country lets "OUR" movies, music, and software be pirated".

    All fits the bill of our politicians being lap dogs for media makers and that things like SOPA and PIPA need to be continued to be rallied against because they are trying still going to try and push them through.

  15. Re:Be careful what you ask for by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

    We came up with Big Brother and exported it to the world :(

    No we didn't. It was the Dutch who invented that quality show.