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Canadian SOPA Could Target YouTube
bs0d3 writes "The music industry is seeking over a dozen changes to Canadian anti-piracy bill C-11, including website blocking, Internet termination for alleged repeat infringers, and an expansion of the "enabler" provision that is supposedly designed to target pirate sites. Meanwhile, the Entertainment Software Association of Canada also wants an expansion of the enabler provision along with further tightening of the already-restrictive digital lock rules. It's concerning that some of these expansions will create a risky situation for legitimate websites, as SOPA did in the U.S. Michael Geist outlines the legal history and complications here."
Looks like the citizens of every country are going to have to stay on careful guard these days. When the music industry loses in one country, they just shift focus to another for a while (then later try to sneak back in under the radar where they lost). I guess they're hoping they have the money to wait everyone out. Sadly, they may be right.
Couldn't someone start a rumor that this bill is anti-French? At least that would get Quebec to come out against it. Of course, that's a pretty dubious ally. But you take what you can get.
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So it isn't just American stupidity then folks. Quit claiming your countries are so much more just and infallible.
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I've had it. I liked the idea of requesting gamer journalists to refuse to cover E3 as long as the ESA supported SOPA, but I don't think that's enough anymore. If E3 is abandoned en mass then the ESA could easily die. They need to be turned into a public example to everyone else. This needs to become a year without E3.
Blindly doing whatever the US does.
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Apple, Google, Microsoft, IBM, HP, Toshiba, Samsung and Comcast should just create a consortium.
The purpose of this consortium would be to buy up the media companies and put a bullet in their head .
It's time we stopped the tail from wagging the dog here. It's just good business.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
We need to put serious pressure on the politicians to stop this. It's going to be harder than it was with SOPA because we don't have Silicon Valley backing us up.
Can we link to Michael Geist's actual article rather than that horrid looking ActivePolitic website?
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Please, C-11 does nothing of the sort.
C-11 is really just renaming some things in the original copyright acts, doesn't change the fact you must go to court to prove your case before having someone's website pulled, charged or anything.
It adds a bunch of non-specifics about the WIPO Copyright Treaty (WCT in the law), that we signed and never actually changed our copyrights to agree with. Its you know only been 10 years since the Liberals signed it and had not done anything about it Federally.
Also, most of the law, is worded to match that agreement, especially relating to internet sharing, however, the law was written not targeting the "service providers" and "users" as the agreement was originally signed and the American's adopted it as the DMCA, it actually appears to only target the people who are hosting/running the services. Which is following the spirit of the Supreme Court ruling about P2P file sharing being legal, as long as your not advertising, or benefiting through the copyright infringement financially.
Which seems to be why they added this part:
(2.4) In determining whether a person has infringed copyright under subsection (2.3), the court may consider
(a) whether the person expressly or implicitly marketed or promoted the service as one that could be used to enable acts of copyright infringement;
(b) whether the person had knowledge that the service was used to enable a significant number of acts of copyright infringement;
(c) whether the service has significant uses other than to enable acts of copyright infringement;
(d) the person’s ability, as part of providing the service, to limit acts of copyright infringement, and any action taken by the person to do so;
(e) any benefits the person received as a result of enabling the acts of copyright infringement; and
(f) the economic viability of the provision of the service if it were not used to enable acts of copyright infringement.
It is all about whether your providing a "service" to aid in copyright infridgement. Not actually the users. MegaUpload = No good, Torrents/Gnutella shared among peoples personal computers = okay still.
Who told the music industry about the great firewall of China. It's quite obvious where they are getting their recent ideas.
You can't FORCE people to buy your product. You need to make your product desirable to buy!
Half the industry in any sector is doing this now. We're tired of being ripped off by paying to watch crappy movies, buy an entire CD when only one song is good, buy a video game to play it for five minutes then realize it sucks and so fourth. Demos are virtually gone, trailers are misleading, prices are higher out here for everything.
There have been movies streamed off the net I've watched. I was bored and had nothing to do. You assume I would buy it, some of these movies are TERRIBLE and I would have never bought it in the first place. I'd just find something else to do. You keep assuming any person who ever watched or listened to your content would have immediately bought it giving you $$$. You're wrong, so wrong.
I've played video games before buying them, like Mass Effect. After that I immediately bought it, and the second one as soon as it came out, and will immediately buy the 3rd as soon as it comes out too. That's because it was a quality product and I loved it.
I did the same thing with Starcraft 2, played it at a friends, loved it, bought it. I didn't buy it at release because I wasn't sure if I'd enjoy it.
I still haven't purchased SWTOR because I don't know if it's that good, I saw a few videos, haven't played it. For the cost versus time playing it, not worth it to me right now.
If I could play the first few levels to try it out and see if I like it, I might buy it. I work for my bloody money and I'm tired of every single person thinking their product is so good that they deserve some of my money!
So many artists would be ignored, people would not buy their music, or listen to it that much, watch movies by directors, go out to theater, recommend it to other people if the restrictions where always 100% you have to get some of my money before I get to know if it's worth it.
People would just do other things more and spend less time with digital media.
Actually, this could be doing society a FAVOR, we'll stop giving as much money to these corporations, spend more time at bars socializing or going to events.
Then we'd spend less money on huge TV's since we use it less, less on hard drives to store media, less on monitors.
I'm not saying it'd kill the industry, but they have this magic preconception that suddenly sales would super boom. They forget that people are strangled by high rents, gas prices and low wage jobs and that's a big chunk of why their crap isn't selling.
I guess Canada will be the first to go back to the stone age! After they BAN the Internet, they'll have to BAN computers in-case people try to setup their own WAN by other means.
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What a load of old bollocks..
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The internet will be so useful!
I mean, every website will be blocked, or will be too afraid of lawsuits to post anything other than a blank page, and even when they do post material, some submarine patent or copyright troll will sue or have them taken down.
Even this website, Slashdot will be taken down because it LINKS to a copyrighted news story. Google will be useless, because every website can be copyrighted, and you can't link to copyrighted material.
So, the web will be entirely destroyed. The whole purpose of it -- to SHARE documents, will be lost in a sea of litigation over "intellectual property".
And then we can all go back to playing outside.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
This kind of stuff begs teh question, what about alterdns servers. I mean, I'm asking. Because I want to know if there are any 'undernets' worth hookin up to.
You know it would be much cheaper for us all to donate to a fund and have all of the lobbyists that work for the record companies snuffed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOrgLj9lOwk
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
with out media companies there is no threat to the internet?
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
I don't see what would be difficult or undesirable about having a protocol in place where Google would make a good-faith effort to notify copyright holders of infringing videos, and then take them down in a prompt fashion in response to a complaint by the holder. It would be understood that the detection and notification would not be perfect, but would improve over time with experience.
that you exported your shit over there. your idiocy in your own country allowed the private interests to set up a globe spanning racketeering operation.
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Oh my god dude please shut the fuck up, dickface...
I kinda hope they succeed, pass the law and block YouTube, Facebook, and every site the feel might be infringing on a copyright.
Why? Simple. The backlash will force the law to be repealed, and it will forever be scarred into the memory of everybody on the planet, preventing other SOPA-like laws from being passed.
if (it != oneThing) it = another;
Wait, I though Canada had a levy on all CDs and magnetic media (Flash as well?) so that the recording industry could get compensation for piracy?
They get compensation, and the power to block or take down sites? That seems like a bit too much of a handout to a particular industry for my tastes.
I'm out of my mind right now, but feel free to leave a message.....
Looks that some internationally coordinated action is needed indeed.
Response in kind would be to start discussing shortening those ridiculously 70 year IP rights for creative content. Note for pharmaceuticals it is only 12.
The MPAA/RIAA complex has up till SOPA always got their way thanks to a thoroughly corrupt US political system. There was also no downside risk.
Lets introduce that by responding to further meddling with shortening the duration to some reasonable 20 years.
http://www.sci-tech-today.com/news/Polish-Web-Sites-To-Protest-ACTA/story.xhtml?story_id=12100ESGM1AP
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/24/acta-protests-poland_n_1229110.html
Alas, the great shill wars of 2012 have begun.
May they all choke on the fumes of flaming astroturf.
And then we would see a giant, titan monolithic enterprise, backed probably by all other giants (considering they could be next )
and start to fend off any attempts by stupid politicians to put their nose in technologies they do not understand.
If we have a big fighting company stand ground against these old farts, they might get the notion, change the mentality and not the technology...
There are so many other options that they could easily adopt, that would make piracy fade away.....
but they would have to understand the problem first, which they still have no clue.
Also, not everything is pirated, or illegal if copied, so then you fall under another big category, which is misinformation.
Canadians are passive and will allow this to roll through largely uncontested, just like all the tariffs that are STILL slapped on anything that can play music in spite of the fact that most devices these days have online music stores built into them meaning the tariff is largely charged against people who are legitimately using these devices to buy music.
The fact is Canadians should rise up against the CRTC which largely allows the Big 3 Canadian telco's to charge whatever the f*ck they want for their [insert sh*ty] services without any consumer protection and then these telcos make it difficult for any "competitive" re-sellers to operate. CRTC is limiting what services like Netflix can bring into Canada. CRTC is allowing such bullshit as SOPA like FUD into Canada. CRTC is ensuring price fixing and regular gouging of customers through mandatory fee increases.
If there is any organization that is less in touch with the 21st century telecommunications is an organization that was set up for radio and television transmissions. If there is any organization less committed to protecting consumer rights, its the good ol' Canadian Radio and Television Commission.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
I'm just not going to buy any new content, I won't steal it either. If there is something I just have to see I'll record it on my PVR and skip the commercials. If everyone does this together we can bring down the MPAA and RIAA. Just stop giving them money which they will use to harm you.
The problem is not how Socialist (look up the word, it has a different meaning outside of the US) Canada is or has been in the past - its how incredibly Right Wing our current Conservative government is. Yes, somehow my fellow Canadian citizens were STUPID enough to elect the worst politician this country has ever seen into a majority government. I don't expect that is going to get any better until (sadly) a lot of the older generation dies off (as people get older they tend to be more conservative and we have a big bubble of older citizens etc).
Harper does whatever the fuck he wants, taking his lead from whatever his masters in the Republican party tell him to do.
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Thank you for your valuable counterpoint to elrous0's post.
to another for a while.
Been happening here in the US at the state level (Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, etc.) in the past several years.
Look into the history of the top Canadian Conservative Party players. Not the vast majority of Cons that are no more than potted plants, or seals trained to bark and clap for their masters. From the politicians to the apparatchiks to the guys in the third party non-profits, you'll find that the key people are all close to the Republicans.
They've worked under the top republican spinmasters, the top republican spinmasters have worked under them. They've helped campaign for republicans in the US, then come back to implement the dirty tricks and lying, spinning, right wing corporate PR complex up north.
So if you guys could have kept all your fascists and their fascist training on your side of the border, that would've been great.
What the hell are you talking about? The media companies didn't "grow directly out of the real mafia" just because some saloons in the past happened to run by the mafia. You're just trying to justify a childish word.
what do we do now ?
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you think because people were buying things that they intervene in countries ?
get real.
if people dont buy their things, they make them buy their things through buying politicians and laws to create the exact same environment in usa.
the fact that you think power of wealth is not something infectious, tells me that you are rather young in the ways of this world.
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Problem in Canada is that Harper is a dangerous man and he have most of the seat in parliement. Only Quebec seems to realize how f*ck Canada is at last election...
How about this as a better idea, since Google won't do it:
Why don't we all donate to a kickstarter and set up a nonprofit to purchase these companies and release their catalogs to the public domain? Buy 'em out and shut 'em up for good I say!
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Harper's actually a brilliant politician. If you look at him carefully, he says what people want to hear, then dismisses what they don't by couching it terms they want to hear. At the same time, he discredits his opposition using brilliant words that people want to hear. Everything else he buries.
Think about it. Right now, we have the whole pipeline thing in BC. Harper has couched it in "JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS" and "EVIL AMERICAN ECOTERRORISTS". And that's all he's saying, ignoring that the oil companies he's backing are majority owned by international interests. So the big story is how all the eco groups are foreign funded.
It's also how his attack ads work - making us fearful of the party leaders.
Quite brilliant because the people lap it up.
Final example - cutting of corporate tax to BELOW the US (!). The funny thing about that is all the US companies are effectively subsidized because they have to pay at least the US tax rate, so low Canadian tax rates mean that the US goverment is getting revenue from the companies that weren't paying anything before. So the Canadian taxpayer is helping the US. (Nevermind the whole John Deere (?) thing where he handed them a bailout, and they promptly shut down the factory to relocate to the US). Again, all couched in "JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS"
Brilliant policitian. Just not someone who governs well.
That's it, I am convinced this SOPA shit is going to get passed against our will one way or another. I was talking with the guy I work with about all this shit and he has had enough too. We have puppets of the banking and media industry running for office any more, lobbyists and lawyers hire politicians to do their bidding all over the world and I am god damned fed up with it.
Guess it is time to make sure you are armed so when they try to take that right from us too we have something to stop them. Ron Paul might be the only mother fucker that doesn't have some corporation's arm up his ass telling him everything to do, and see how much media coverage he gets?
Anyone who sees this comment, please watch this video: America: Freedom to Fascism
It's a long video, but once you start watching it you can't stop. It really made me open my eyes on a lot of shit, and it made me want to exercise my second amendment right.
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It will make the creation of another Justin Bieber impossible.
There goes my cherished collection of Canadian beer drinking songs.
ok, I admit it, Comcast was a flat-out brain-fart. I was thinking of them as a ISP, and forgot they bought NBC. (wait, maybe they'll kill it...)
The original idea was hardware vendors versus the media companies, but then Google and Microsoft snuck in and muddied the waters.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Just shut down the damn internet and this stuff goes away :P
Please, C-11 does nothing of the sort.
C-11 is really just renaming some things in the original copyright acts
Shilling much?
Go read Section 41 then come back to apologize for your ludicrous statements.
C-11 criminalizes the circumvention of DRM for any purposes whatsoever, including bunt not limited to exercising your fair dealing rights. Want to rip the DVD that you bought in order to watch it on your iPhone? Congratulations, you are now a criminal for circumventing CSS.
Bloody liar.
The bottom line is Canada's Bill C-11, the so-called "Canadian SOPA" is as odious as the US legislation had been.
NO industry can be allowed to circumvent due process, thereby denying the accused the right to defend themselves and their actions in their own nation's courts. ESPECIALLY not the media companies, who have amply demonstrated over the years with capricious and spurious takedown orders issued to YouTube and other sites that they do NOT engage in due diligence or verification before issuing a takedown under US DMCA legislation.
I see no reason to expect the Canadian equivalent media groups would be any better at performing such due diligence, as they seem hell bent on denying people and foreign businesses their right to due process and a trial by their peers or assessment by a judge specializing in IP legislation for their nation.
I want to scream that they're just in the pockets of the US media lobbyists, but far more likely is that they're just as ignorant of how the law and internet work as their US counterparts were.
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i really dont understand this 'saving ass' myth that goes on about in usa. you really think you 'saved' world's 'ass' ?
like what, stuff like these ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
or, are you talking about world war ii, in which the majority of fighting burden was carried by soviets, and the losses given by the allies were mostly on soviets ? with their neverending manpower ?
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Hopefully they're a little quicker to read and learn from Slashdot postings and Michael Geist's blog than their US counterparts have been. The MPAA president's decision to try and spin DNS record deletion as being the same as resolution filtering or blocking just PROVED he doesn't know SHIT about the internet and how it works, yet here he's trying to change the system to suit his own greedy wishes.
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The DMCA-like provisions of C-11 run counter to the right to make backups and perform format transformations as established as far back as the 1970's when the courts ruled that Canadians could make cassettes of their own records for themselves or to give to friends they actually KNOW.
Furthermore, even when I was in high school, my friend's older brother, one of the Quong brothers in Norquay, SK's old Chinese restaurant was sending damaged and worn out LPs to the record companies and having them replaced for free without even paying for the return postage or any shipping and handling fees, no questions asked.
In other words, when you buy media in Canada, you OWN it, regardless of how the current companies are trying to spin things.
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Applies to most everyone that they want it to. And since due process is out the window and you are assumed guilty due to a simple accusation, good luck proving your innocence.
Welcome to the 'net, 2015 where its a ghost town.
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The 70's rulings were upheld again when the Canadian music industry settled for a levy on blank CDR media in an attempt to recoup losses due to "piracy" that was already enshrined in Canadian law. By doing so, they ADDED to the argument that you have the right to make media backups and copies in Canada provided you are not SELLING them, STRENGTHENING the 1970's rulings, not weakening them.
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I wouldn't say Mr. Harper is a brilliant politician, unless you credit leveraging Canada's success in weathering the bank crisis due to our boundaries between investment and commercial banking as being somehow due to Conservative "management" politics. He pulled the wool over the voting population's eyes, people see it now, and his first term as Majority Prime Minister will probably be his last unless he starts LISTENING to the people he's supposed to LEAD, not RULE.
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Brilliant policitian. Just not someone who governs well.
That's funny, I would have hoped that governing skills would be a key requirement for someone elected into the, er, government.
What's even worse, I can't Move to Canada in protest!