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For Sinclair Fans, The ZX81 Lives On

An anonymous reader writes "The ZX81 Museum was set-up to preserve and showcase a private collection of original Sinclair branded ZX81 hardware, software and literature. The museum has since expanded to include ZX81 software from other publishers of the time and a variety of other ZX81 peripherals and reference books. The collection dates from 1981 to 1983 and features the complete Sinclair-branded software series. The activities of the museum are regularly reported via Twitter, along with updates from the ever growing ZX81 fanbase. There is even a YouTube channel for the diehard 8-bit fans out there, of which there seems to be many!" This was one of the first computers I ever used; I suspect it's still buried in some deep stratum in my dad's basement. As is often the case, the old advertisements are great.

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  1. Computer from kit is a great way to start by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My first computer was the ZX-81 kit where you had to soldier it together.

    Although in a lot of ways I know this is simply not practical for most people to do, I have to say it was a really awesome way to be introduced to a computer. It's probably just nostalgia but I feel a little sorry that almost no-one going forward will be introduced to computing in that way...

    It's nice to see someone keeping the history of this very unique system alive.

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    1. Re:Computer from kit is a great way to start by Jawnn · · Score: 4, Funny

      My first computer was the ZX-81 kit where you had to soldier it together.

      Well there's yer problem. Me, I just used solder.

    2. Re:Computer from kit is a great way to start by Colourspace · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try www.worldofspectrum.org (yep on /. 13 years now and still haven't found out how to do embedded links - sorry - geek card in post) It's primarily a site for the 1982 UK/EUR ZX Spectrum machine but IIRC there are plenty of ZX80/ZX81 links and emulators for many platforms discussed. A good jumping off point if you do want to enjoy some nostalgia, and a massive library of legal dumps. I think the Timex-Sinclair 2048 *might* have been the US version of the ZX Spectrum (colour, 48K compared to the mono 1K ZX81)....

    3. Re:Computer from kit is a great way to start by gamanimatron · · Score: 2

      Was the ZX-81 the same as the TS-1000, or was it the same as the one that came after?

      The TS1000 had a slightly different motherboard, with an NTSC RF modulator and twice the RAM (2K!) built in. If I remember correctly, you couldn't get TS1000 kits either.

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    4. Re:Computer from kit is a great way to start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's okay, they didn't have hyperlinks back when you got into computing. I hear wearing an onion on your belt was fashionable...

      either use the

      http://

      prefix or

      <a href="http://www.example.com"></a>

      or

      <URL:http://example.com/>

      If you use the old discussion system it gives you a hint below the post area.

    5. Re:Computer from kit is a great way to start by mpe · · Score: 2

      The TS1000 had a slightly different motherboard, with an NTSC RF modulator and twice the RAM (2K!) built in.

      IIRC the ZX81 board could actually be fitted with a 2k static RAM chip. There were also two different ways getting 1k. Either two 4bit chips or one 8 bit chip.

    6. Re:Computer from kit is a great way to start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Either two 4bit chips or one 8 bit chip.

      That's what sinclair did with the successor, the Spectrum, too. It came in 2 editions, 16 and 48k. That extra 32k was actually 64k, with only upper or lower bank mapped. Apparently they shaved some costs using partly broken memory chips in consumer products.

  2. The old ads ARE great! by kkaos · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Finally you can afford to satisfy your lust for power." Well, it's about time!

    1. Re:The old ads ARE great! by RDW · · Score: 2

      ...but I don't see my favourite piece of ZX81 ephemera, the promotional poster that placed on some sort of darkly psychedelic space opera lectern:

      http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/userdata/images/large/PRODPIC-9064.jpg

      I actually learnt the QWERTY layout from a free copy of that, while waiting excitedly for the actual computer (an expected Christmas present). Yes, I would tell you to get off my lawn, but I actually have a hedge maze patrolled by a dinosaur:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKvd0zPfBE4

    2. Re:The old ads ARE great! by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      "Finally you can afford to satisfy your lust for power."

      Well, it's about time!

      I love looking at old advertising. Shows what a crotchety old geezer I'm turning into now that was when a programmer was a programmer - fit a whole suite of applications in 16K of memory and stored on cassette tapes .. kids these days have it easy .. sloppy bloated code with no optimization .. hmmph! I have a small stack of Apple Insider magazine from 1980 and 81, alas, binned the heavy old Byte magazines from the mid-80's, which showed blistering performance of 6 MHz!!!* and you could get a 5 Meg HDD for a few thousand zorkmids.

      The one thing they do convince me of -- you can have fun with pretty much any generation's hardware and software, because I know I stayed up late at night coding or playing games on computers which my cellphone could utterly smoke.

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  3. Only if you are a Jenga champion by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Wow! Four of those and I could run the Java Update Scheduler!

    Given how careful you had to be with just one 16k expansion, I can imagine typing with four attached without causing a crash would take some very steady hands indeed!

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    1. Re:Only if you are a Jenga champion by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      Given how careful you had to be with just one 16k expansion, I can imagine typing with four attached without causing a crash would take some very steady hands indeed!

      Oh hell yes. I remember clearly trying to port a text adventure game from some other dialect of Basic, hammering away on that dodgy membrane keyboard, and having the 16K cartridge fall out while I was trying to suss out the syntax errors. (Result: Crash, memory wiped.)

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    2. Re:Only if you are a Jenga champion by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      I used to beat those crashes by taking a bunch of ice cubes, double-bagging them in ziplocs, and placing that on top of the ZX81 where their crappy thin aluminum prong "heat sink" came up from the board to meet the upper case interior. I never had "unreasonable" crashes after that but I went through a lot of ice cubes with that little thing.

  4. My First Personal Computer by lazarus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was 12 years old. I worked for a summer and made enough money to buy the unassembled version. It was essentially a bag of parts that you soldered together yourself. Add an old black and white TV, a cassette tape recorder and you were on your way. That way back when "built your own computer" meant that either you assembled it or actually designed the darn thing. Today it means you connected the major components together and hoped everybody followed spec.

    The best part of the ZX81 was the fantastic instruction manual it came with that essentially taught you how to program (in BASIC). Very well written. I eventually left basic behind and started programming in Forth.

    I don't have mine anymore, but I wish I did. The membrane keyboard was truly horrible to use, the RAM (1K) insufficient (I eventually purchased the 16K add-on), and the entire thing painfully slow. But it was an affordable, functional computer back when that was a rarity. I owe it and it's designers a great debt.

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    1. Re:My First Personal Computer by nogginthenog · · Score: 2

      You can buy new ZX81 replacement membranes: http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/membranes.html

  5. Why? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I had one of these, and you couldn't pay me to to use one again. Well you could, but it would have to be a hell of a lot. I can understand why people would be nostalgic about a C64, or even a TI994/A. I had both of those too. But I don't really remember much to like about the ZX81. Even the keyboard/tiny plastic membrane was awful. It was sold by Timex in the US and the "keys" were about the size of calculator buttons. I shelled out the $200 (IIRC) for the 16K RAM pack too. I'm probably suppressing the memory, but I seem to remember there being some issue with it, but I don't remember what it was specifically. It was a big (in relation to the system) clunky thing that plugged into the back. It probably didn't seat correctly or something. Some things should just be allowed to die and be forgotten.

    1. Re:Why? by abigor · · Score: 4, Informative

      The ram pack was prone to wiggling a bit and you'd lose the entire contents of memory. You had to prop it on a book or tape it in place. Kind of a nightmare really. I also hated the ultra-fiddly tape storage, where you had to have the volume and tone adjusted just right to get those weird black bars that showed the program was loading or saving correctly.

    2. Re:Why? by dkf · · Score: 2

      I also hated the ultra-fiddly tape storage, where you had to have the volume and tone adjusted just right to get those weird black bars that showed the program was loading or saving correctly.

      I never had any trouble, but that was because I had a really cheap and nasty tape recorder without any fancy auto-level circuitry that would try to make the data "sound nicer" (hah!). Wasn't nice to use for playing anything to listen to, but was perfect as a cheap-ass storage device.

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  6. BBC Micro Men by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you haven't seen the movie Micro Men about Clive Sinclair, it is very entertaining. Now playing at your nearest torrent.

    1. Re:BBC Micro Men by Colourspace · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, mod parent up - the UK's Bill Gates (Sinclair) versus a young Steve Jobs (Curry/Hauser - discuss?) in 'silicon fen' and don't forget the Acorn story is the seed of the ARM story. Pun intended. And if anyone is keen to see the actor Martin Freeman, due to play Bilbo Baggins in the upcoming Hobbit films, you can find him here as one of the main protagonists (Curry). No indication on how he might smoke a clay pipe though.

  7. Obligatory Hendrix Perm by Ackmo · · Score: 2

    My VIC-20 beat up your ZX81 and stole its lunch money.

  8. Not my idea of an 8-bit computer by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is even a YouTube channel for the diehard 8-bit fans out there

    8-bit? 2-bit. Good grief, that thing was painfully limited except relative to its immediate competitors. Prior to my parents buying my a ZX81 for Christmas, my home computer was an Atari 2600 with a BASIC Programming cartridge. It had 62 bytes of code memory.

    Let me repeat that in case you thought I misspoke: it had 62, sixty-two, 2^6-2 bytes of memory.

    The ZX81 came with a whopping 16KB, which seemed mansionlike to my very inexperienced mind. But that's like having a better civil rights record than North Korea. It wasn't the worst of the worst but it wasn't far from it.

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    1. Re:Not my idea of an 8-bit computer by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure the ZX-81 only came with 1K (I think the TS-1000 same with 2K). There were expansion boards out to take it up to a whopping 64K.

  9. Before by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Was the ZX-81 the same as the TS-1000, or was it the same as the one that came after?

    I also had the TS-1000. The ZX-81 came before, I ordered mine from England. The Timex-Sinclair was the U.S. version, already assembled for you.

    Yes, there was not a lot of software, though there was some you could buy on cassette as you say, or type in from magazines. It was however a great way to get into programming. I won my first programming contest with it, writing a crossword generator that won me a Timex-Sinclair 2048...

    There are definitely emulators for both the ZX-81 and TS-1000, though I've not enough nostalgia I know where any are. I'm sure Google can find them.

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    1. Re:Before by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Informative

      Was the ZX-81 the same as the TS-1000, or was it the same as the one that came after?

      The ZX-81 came before, I ordered mine from England. The Timex-Sinclair was the U.S. version, already assembled for you.

      There were three distinct "original" ZX machines sold on the UK market:-

      * ZX80 came first in 1980. Black and white, text-based display, 1KB RAM, 4KB OS ROM with integer-only BASIC. Yes, it was very basic, but it was also very cheap- first computer under £100 back when even the Apple II cost many, many times that. Apparently it was also sold in the US in both kit and assembled form. (I don't know if the pre-assembled version was ever sold in its native UK?)

      * ZX81 came next and was even more popular. Essentially an improved and cost-reduced refinement of the ZX80 design. Still black and white with 1KB RAM (expandable to 16KB) and a new improved 8KB OS and BASIC ROM. The Timex Sinclair 1000 mentioned above was an NTSC version with 2KB and other minor differences for the US market, but to all intents and purposes the same machine.

      * ZX Spectrum followed on in 1982. Colour, high-res graphics, sound (albeit crude single channel). There was a US machine based on the Spectrum design (the failed Timex Sinclair 2068) but unlike the TS1000, it made significant changes and improvements to the original design.
      .
      There were very many clones and variants- both authorised and unauthorised- of the above machines in various countries. In part because their architecture was based around clever design using cheap off-the-shelf parts (e.g. the ZX80's inability to compute and display at the same time was because the display was primarily generated in software). This made them easier to rip off than (e.g.) the Commodore 64.

      The ZX81 replaced the ZX80 as it was essentially a refined and improved version of the latter (better OS and moving graphics possible- the ZX80's display flickered and went blank whenever it was busy) and at a lower price (18 chips in the ZX80 replaced with a single functionally equivalent chip). In fact, the ZX80 could be almost upgraded to a ZX81- minus the steady graphics- simply by replacing the ROM OS.

      The Spectrum was a slightly more expensive machine with colour and high-resolution graphics and (very crude) single-channel sound. It was sold alongside the cheaper ZX81 for some time. (I think they stopped making the ZX81 in 1984?) In the long term the Spectrum was the most successful as it was usable for games- its success quickly spawned rivals, but its early lead had already established a network effect (i.e. users led to support and software which led to more users, which led to more support...) and it survived until the early 90s.

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    2. Re:Before by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Informative
      The QL was based on a Motorola 68008, which was a 68000 but with only an 8-bit data bus (instead of 16-bits). (*)

      Anyway, AFAIK, the QL partly flopped because Sinclair aimed at the business market instead of hobbyists.

      Even then (apparently), IBM PC compatibility was quickly becoming more important to such people. Also, I'm assuming that the quirkiness and flakiness of Sinclair products would have been less tolerable to business users in the quickly-maturing mid 80s market than it would have been to grateful first-time hobbyists a few years later.

      In some senses, the real successors to the Speccy were consoles and the PC, depending on how much money you had and whether you were just playing games or were determined to write software as well.

      Not quite, or at least, not directly. The late-80s and early-90s successors to the Spectrum were really the Atari ST and Amiga, the latter of which may have flopped in the US, but was massively popular in Europe around the turn of the decade. It wasn't until circa '92-93 that the ever-falling price of PC clones and the Mega Drive (AKA Genesis) and later SNES took over and *really* started to dominate the home market.

      (Remember that the original NES was never as big a deal here as it was in the US at the time- it was even outsold by the Sega Master System in the UK).

      (*) Sinclair sold the QL on the basis that it was a 32-bit machine, which the 68008 *was*... internally. But then, the Amiga and ST's 68000 was generally considered a 16-bit processor (not 32-bit) due to the size of its data bus, so following the same system the QL would only be an 8-bit machine. It depends what slant you want to put on it!

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    3. Re:Before by westlake · · Score: 2

      Anyway, AFAIK, the QL partly flopped because Sinclair aimed at the business market instead of hobbyists.
      Even then (apparently), IBM PC compatibility was quickly becoming more important to such people. Also, I'm assuming that the quirkiness and flakiness of Sinclair products would have been less tolerable to business users in the quickly-maturing mid 80s market

      The IBM PC was the natural upgrade path from CP/M.

      The big names in business software all had product out for the IBM by 1982.

      Two built-in ZX [85 KB] Microdrive tape-loop cartridge drives provided mass storage [for the QL], in place of the more expensive floppy disk drives found on similar systems of the era.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_QL

    4. Re:Before by Dogtanian · · Score: 2

      Two built-in ZX [85 KB] Microdrive tape-loop cartridge drives provided mass storage [for the QL], in place of the more expensive floppy disk drives found on similar systems of the era.

      Yes, but this is what I mean about hobbyists vs. business. Hobbyists would have been willing to tolerate the non-standard nature and (arguably) lower reliability of the microdrives, but I suspect that this wasn't so much the case for businesses.

      (IIRC I read somewhere that the QL Microdrives were more reliable than the Spectrum version, but still).

      Also, there were things like the QL being released what some people considered way too early, with early versions having bugs and requiring "dongles" where they couldn't fit all the OS chips inside the case (or whatever the deal was), and there were still the notorious Sinclair shipment delays. Bottom line, it may have been a good value machine in some respects, but my gut reaction is that business users would have been put off by the Sinclair way of doing things, which would have been more at home and tolerated in the hobbyist field.

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  10. yay by samjam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I learned on a ZX81, and I still have one.

    I learned Z80 machine code by reading other peoples listings and comparing to the mnemonics at the back of the ZX81 manual.

    I programmed a cool morse-code decoder, and a music program that played sound out of the TV speaker (along with a load of junk).

    I also beat someone elses implementation of read, data & restore.

    Then I went on to a CPC6128, then BBC Micro with econet and advanced programmers guide. Then hacking MSDOS with debug and edlin. Then Windows 3.1 and Delphi; win95, then moving to winXP and Linux and sticking with Linux - for the freedom you know.

    For a while I had a ZX81 emulator on my android phone, but like the other guy said, you couldn't pay me to go back to it.

    It was awful. At the time it was great and helped make me, but I won't go back. You can't make me!

    1. Re:yay by rev0lt · · Score: 2

      8080/85 and 8086 have different instruction sets. The 8085 had about 78 opcodes (original Z80 had 153, if I'm not mistaken, including all from the 8085), but 8086 has completely different instructions and register sets, so if you want it to run on a Pentium, you can - but you'll need an emulator :)

  11. Re:The Sinclair is not a big deal by na1led · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Atari 800 came out in 1978 and was 10 times the computer! When I think of the Sinclair, I think of an oversized calculator, my Magnavox Odyssey could do more. I'm sorry, but the Sinclair was a POS back then and still is today!

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  12. This is why the Raspberry Pi will be the new ZX81 by Master+Of+Ninja · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The ZX81 was one of the main reasons the UK had a great generation of programmers (and especially games programmers). The computers were cheap, easy to tinker with and allowed endless modifications. I know that a lot of people are very sniffy about Basic, but the BBC Basic taught in schools at the time was the gateway to self taught computer programming. This is why I think the Raspberry Pi will herald a revolution in computer programming - $25 (?£) compared to the £50 in some of the advertisements for the ZX81. With a keyboard and mouse the raspberry pi will be equivalently priced.

    As an aside I never had the ZX81, only the later Spectrum +3. But those were the glory days of British computing...

  13. The thing to like was what you put into it by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The cool thing about the ZX-81 in particular (kit version) was how when you built something from scratch you really felt not a care at all about modification to it.

    You didn't like the chiclet keyboard? Neither did I. That's why I replaced with with a spare TI-994A keyboard (real keys). After all, when you were the one that personally attached the keyboard connector you feel no trepidation in taking it out.

    Or the wobbly 16k ram pack. The problem was the thing was as you say rather bulky, and would with some vibration work its way off the connector just enough to crash the system.

    Again when you were the one assembling the case you have no issues attaching struts to the case to make the 16K expansion far more stable.

    That's why there is still as much nostalgia for the ZX-81 as other more popular computers like the Atari or Commodore models that were easier to set up and use, because it was generally a more personal attachment and level of effort involved for those that really got into it.

    Being mass market things I didn't keep any of the other early computers - but I did keep the ZX-81, because a lot of personal effort had gone into it.

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  14. I didn't realize by bugs2squash · · Score: 2

    That the French version still had a QWERTY keyboard layout. I guess internationalization wasn't its strong point. I learned a lot with mine though, like how to type in endless amounts of machine language in comments.

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  15. 1k Chess by mccalli · · Score: 2

    How many k? One. One k. Not two k, one k. And here it is.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  16. Re:The Sinclair is not a big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not the most popular 8 bit computer made, and you couldn't do a whole lot with it. I'm sure there are fan sites for many different 8 bit systems, why make a big deal about the Sinclair? The Commodore 64 is the most popular 8 bit computer ever made, and I'm sure has about 100 times more fans.

    Yes the C64 was better and has more fans, but for a lot of people the ZX81 was the first affordable and usable home computer. I spent a lot of time typing in code from magazines and hoping the tape recorder would actual save it properly.

    Progressed to a VIC-20 - cartridge slot for RAM pack or even GORF, followed by C64 although my brothers got a Speccy for games.

    All that typing of code and debugging the typos in the magazine must have suited me as I went on to be a developer. Feel sorry for the kids these days - buy a game, plug it in - what are you gonna learn like that?

  17. Re:The Sinclair is not a big deal by kiwimate · · Score: 2

    1. ZX81 was available in March 1981; C-64 was almost a year later.
    2. The ZX81 was several hundred dollars cheaper. People who couldn't afford a Commodore 64 could afford a ZX81. It helped to bring computing to the masses.
    3. A bit of a fuss was made that it only had four ICs inside it. I think the ZX80 had 21.

  18. Memories by hAckz0r · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Back in 1980 my counselor at University of Maryland informed me that I would be unable to graduate on time because I was not unable to get into my last course. That was because for 5 semesters I was unable to get a prerequisite course called "Intro to Computer Science". All the engineering and computer science majors had over booked the available computer lab time and the closest I had gotten was 73'rd in line. Yes, you got it, if 73 people dropped out of that class, in the first two weeks, then I could take the class. Problem is if the course is that bad I'm not sure I wanted to be in that class!

    Oh well. At that point I realized that I had already been screwed by this thing called a computer and I didn't even know what the heck it was yet. Not to be beaten and then kicked when down, I forced the University to 'creatively' come up with another way for me to graduate (a semester late, but graduated none the less), and then went out and I bought this Sinclair kit and built my own computer in my dorm room.

    I had to buy all the solder, wire, and stuff, to be able to build and assemble it, and then I went down the dorm hallway knocking on doors until I found someone that actually had taken that computer science class and dragged him down to my room and had them explain what they did. With a three line program printing out my name in a loop I allowed him to go back to his party, and it was history from there. The local electronics swap shop had numerous visits as I bought a second hand teletype keyboard, power supplies, and odds and ends, and rewired them all to interface with this little computer. It morphed over time to have more memory than it was ever designed to have and lots of relays and controls for all sorts of things. The creation kept growing in both size and complexity. Every peripheral that was ever designed for the Sinclair, and later the Timex version of it, was in there somewhere, and then many many creations of my own.

    After graduating I began taking courses in microprocessors and digital electronics and was part of the manufacturing engine that built the next generation of computers. Eventually I became a Computer Scientist, now with fond memories if those simple days, when it was fairly easy to see how something worked and to find ways to improve upon it. Its nice to see that others have fond memories as well. The Sinclair was one of a kind.

  19. Re:This is why the Raspberry Pi will be the new ZX by Osgeld · · Score: 2

    price is not the only factor

    for one the time had a lot to do with it, now YOU could have a computer without breaking the bank, much more impressive in 81 vs 012, next all you had to do is plug it in and your computing, PI well your going to have to choose and install a linux distro on the thing before it does more than sit there, which sad to say is still a challenge for most people today.

  20. ZX81 BASIC and FORTH by turgid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I cut my teeth on the ZX81 when I was 8 years old, and I've still got it... I had a 1k ZX81 which later got upgraded to 16k with a "proper" keyboard. My dad mounted it on a wooden base and fixed the RAM pack to eliminate wobble.

    By the time I was 9 I was a confident BASIC programmer, writing my own (very slow) games, and was learning Z80 machine code (note all you commodore people: the 6502 sucked in comparison).

    When I was 10 I got a multi-tasking FORTH ROM. It was a replacement for the built-in Sinclair BASIC ROM and was 8k. It contained a Real Time multi-tasking threaded-compiled (as opposed to interpreted) FORTH system.

    You can get a ZX81 emulator for *nix and the ROM image is out there somewhere. I downloaded a copy a year or two back. Google for "zx81 husband forth rom".

    Some Sinclair staff who had worked on the ZX81 left to form their own company to make a computer called the Jupiter Ace, which was somewhere between a ZX81 and a Spectrum in terms of hardware (no colour, but high-res graphics and more RAM than the ZX81). The FORTH in that was more conventional.

    Those were the days!

  21. Re:The Sinclair is not a big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... and in the UK, it was more like a couple of years, and factor of 6 price difference (£400 compared to £70 - or £50 if you bought the DIY version).

    And - also in the UK - if you had that kind of cash, you were buying a BBC Micro, not some foreign nonsense! :-) The BBC was just an amazing machine - it had "good engineering" carved all over it. Properly separated OS vs Language ROMs etc. I built a video format converter in 1990, and I was able to test the input timing conformance using a BBC, because there was one of those *VIDEO commands for directly screwing with the video timings. Amazing.

    I never owned a Beeb - I went ZX81 and Spectrum instead, and never regretted it (I wrote this game). But the Commodore 64 was nowhere on the scene. YMMV, of course :-)

  22. I always prefered Sinclair over by unassimilatible · · Score: 2

    Sheridan. Never figured out why Michael O'Hare left Babylon 5 though.

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  23. Re:The Sinclair is not a big deal by nogginthenog · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, the Atari 800 was 10 times the price of a TS-1000 ($999.95 vs $99.95)

  24. Gateway Drug by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Just wanted to make that clear for younger folks reading along. Kit assemblers our age were not of the same ilk as the hobbyists who designed their own.

    True, but the brilliance was that it could get you interested in going further. Even though I did no design originally in putting it together I did have to look at pinouts to hook up a real keyboard... kits are a great way to get comfortable with putting things together at all, then you start questioning what the components do and what changes you can make.

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  25. Re:The Sinclair is not a big deal by Dogtanian · · Score: 2

    The Atari 800 came out in 1978 and was 10 times the computer! When I think of the Sinclair, I think of an oversized calculator, my Magnavox Odyssey could do more. I'm sorry, but the Sinclair was a POS back then and still is today!

    Well, the Atari 800 was 10 times the price of a TS-1000 ($999.95 vs $99.95)

    You said exactly what I would have! The Atari 800 was an absolutely fantastic machine for the time it came out- I owned a later version called the 800XL, so I've no axe to grind- but it was also damn expensive when first released (late 1979, not 1978).

    Everything I've seen indicates that even at the time people knew damn well that the ZX81 was a pretty basic machine in most respects. Yet it fulfilled the essentials of computing for the hobbyist market, for people who couldn't have afforded a computer before, and for that and the fact they figured out how to build a simple but nevertheless "proper" home computer at such a low price deserves respect.

    Actually, I'm guessing that this is why the ZX81 (and its US version the TS-1000) generally doesn't get as much respect in the US. It wasn't the difference between "having a computer and not having a computer" over there.

    Partly (still guessing) because the TS-1000 didn't come out in the US until over a year after the ZX81 was first launched in the UK, which is a *long* time when the market is evolving as fast as it did in the early 80s. (The ZX Spectrum was already out in the UK by that time). Partly because Americans generally had more disposable income. And also (I assume) because the Vic 20 was cheaper in its home market over there(?). Also, I understand there was a shortage of the RAM packs needed to make the most of the TS-1000, and they weren't that cheap.

    Still, in the UK, it was a milestone machine despite its limitations, and for good reason.

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  26. Re:No more Bandwidth ... dead by agulliford · · Score: 2

    They are using ZX81s to run their webserver

  27. Ah, yes... but it was the TS1000 for me... by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Informative

    I recall magazines selling the ZX-81 in kit form, but at that time, I had no interest in spending a whole $100 (after shipping and/or sales tax, anyway) for a bag of unassembled parts. I really wanted my own home computer though, so the assembled Timex-Sinclair 1000 version was just the thing for me.

    I even owned a very rare plastic carrying case for it, that I had to order direct from Timex with a special coupon to get. As I recall, it held 4 cassette tapes in their plastic cases, the computer and AC adapter, TV converter box, and maybe a spot for that 16K RAM expansion pack (it had 2K internally).

    Good times!

  28. Re:The Sinclair is not a big deal by element-o.p. · · Score: 2

    Be that as it may, it was many peoples' introduction to computers, including me. You never forget your first... ;)

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  29. Gawd that keyboard sucked! by billybob_jcv · · Score: 2

    Be nostalgic if you want to - but that keyboard really was horrible. We're not talking Samsung proximity touch screens - this was as painful as the weird old lady who works at Burger King punching a special order into the funky membrane keyboard point-of-sale system.

    It was a blessing that you only had 1K - it meant your Basic program probably wouldn't be very long.

  30. Re:No more Bandwidth ... dead by dan_linder · · Score: 3, Informative
  31. Bandwidth of advertisments used up... by dan_linder · · Score: 2

    Use the Archive.org link:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20110724142332/http://www.zx81museum.net/adverts.html

    I tried the Coral Cache link:
            http://www.zx81museum.net.nyud.net/adverts.html
    But it returns "500 Internal Server Error".

    Dan

  32. Re:16K-Byte expansion! by uglyduckling · · Score: 2

    It lost massively against all of the systems you mention, in almost every aspect. It won on three counts: it was early; it was small; it was incredibly cheap. It didn't have the words "don't panic" written on the case, but it might as well have. Here are a few highlights: monochrome RF-modulated video output only; no sound at all*; terrible membrane keyboard; 1K RAM (total, not all available to user); character-based display (no pixel-based graphics)**; edge-connector only expansion; very ropey cassette interface; "fast" and "slow" modes in BASIC - fast mode blanked the screen (ugly flickering grey) whilst executing the program, slow mode was- well, slow.

    * actually, you could get sound output by slightly detuning the TV and using a machine code loop to mess with the RF modulator output

    ** I think there were also processor-intensive machine code hacks to get a graphic display but you couldn't do much else at the same time

  33. Re:The Sinclair is not a big deal by Dogtanian · · Score: 2

    The Atari 400 was half the price of an Atari 800

    And that would still have been many times the cost of the ZX81.

    or you could buy a Tandy Color Computer for around $400 new

    Oh, so only four times the US price, then.

    Either way, almost any other computer was far superior to the Sinclair.

    And significantly more expensive.

    My first computer was the Atari 800XL

    As I said, that computer came out two years after the ZX81 had been released in the UK, so you clearly weren't making the same choice as that of people when it first came out. By then the market had moved on quite a lot and prices of more capable machines had fallen (like... the Atari 800XL!)

    but it was a birthday gift plus I had saved up some money from my job as a PaperBoy.

    Okay, so you didn't pay for it all yourself, then.

    Also bear in mind that you're (apparently) arguing from a US perspective. The TS1000 wasn't launched properly in the US until well over a year later, by which time things had already moved on significantly (we already had its successor, the ZX Spectrum). Hence it was never as important over there, at which point it was just a cheap machine rather than the difference between being able to afford a computer and not afford one. (I discussed this in greater depth here).

    The context in which it's most important was the context in which it was launched, i.e. the UK market of early 1981. But feel free to point out that the plebs should have saved up their pennies for a much nicer BMW instead of the mundane family car they bought themselves...

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  34. Re:The Sinclair is not a big deal by na1led · · Score: 2

    FYI, the TI/99 was selling for $99 when the Sinclair came out.

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  35. Re:The Sinclair is not a big deal by Dogtanian · · Score: 2

    FYI, the TI/99 was selling for $99 when the Sinclair came out.

    I'd already heard about TI slashing their prices to below cost in response to Jack Tramiel of Commodore's merciless price war, but I was sure that was later on. Having checked, this article says:-

    "In February 1983, TI lowered the price to $150 and was selling the computers at a loss. And in June 1983, TI released a redesigned beige cost-reduced version that it sold, also at a loss, for $99."

    That was the better part of a year after even the TS-1000's long-delayed US release anyway. At that point of course the TI/99-4A was better value (even though such obviously unsustainable price-cutting pushed TI out of the market shortly afterwards and left the machine orphaned and unsupported).

    All this is true, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. That two long years after its original UK release, in a foreign market competing against slashed-below-cost domestic computers it wasn't such an obviously great buy? Well, yes. But its significance was in the UK market of early 1981, not the US market of early 1983, and there was nothing in the same ballpark pricewise back then. In 1981, most people probably didn't even know they wanted a computer(!)

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