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US Plummets On World Press Freedom Ranking

Jeremiah Cornelius writes "Reporters Without Borders released its 2011-2012 global Press Freedom Index. The indicators for press freedom in the U.S. are dramatic, with a downward movement from 27th to 47th in the global ranking, from the previous year. Much of this is correlated directly to the arrest and incarceration of American journalists covering the 'Occupy' protest movements in New York and across the country. 'This is especially troubling as we head into an election year which is sure to spark new conflicts between police and press covering rallies, protests and political events.' Only Chile, who dropped from 33 to 80, joined the U.S. in falling over 100% of their previous ranking. Similarly, Chile was downgraded for 'freedom of information violations committed by the security forces during student protests.'"

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  1. quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The American government should shut down this website before the news gets out.

  2. No shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm surprised the US isn't lower.

    I don't think they'd rate a Brave New World-esque media as "free".

    http://www.recombinantrecords.net/docs/2009-05-Amusing-Ourselves-to-Death.html

    1. Re:No shit! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In a certain sense, that's actually the alarming thing.

      The historical American press neutralization strategy rested largely on a mixture of drowning out the information with expertly crafted 'infotainment' and ensuring that the bulk of the journalists owed their paychecks and their 'access'(and often sympathized with personally) the people they were supposed to be writing about.

      Not good for highest quality journalism; but all very soft-power. Overt suppression by assorted 'security forces', of varying levels of shadiness, is quite a different strategy...

    2. Re:No shit! by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's most disturbing about it all is that the Obama voters still cheer him on, even though he's turning out to be much worse for human rights and civil liberties than Bush ever was.

    3. Re:No shit! by reboot246 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You must have been asleep for the last three years. Obama has wholeheartedly embraced what Bush was doing and has taken Federal powers, and thus his own, to new levels.

    4. Re:No shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shall we start with the executive order allowing the assassination of American citizens who might be doing something the government doesn't like? Or the reversal on closing GITMO?, or the expansion of the use of drones by local police departments? SOPA, PIPA, Extension of the Patriot Act, expansion of the warranties wiretapping program? Need I go on?

    5. Re:No shit! by Dynedain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't forget the take over of several American industries through "stimulus" funds and the takeover of banks through TARP. Never in the history of America has the POTUS fired the CEO of a major corporation until this president came along.

      They didn't have to take the stimulus funds. And they didn't need to engage in the problems that led to needing the stimulus funds.

      Plenty of smaller banks stayed out of the subprime and mortgage securities scam market and sailed nicely through the aftermath without needing TARP funds. Quite a few of the banks that did accept the money repaid it practically overnight so that they wouldn't have to deal with extra federal oversight.

      Ford (unlike GM and Chrysler) didn't accept the stimulus funds, and so were able to fix things their own way. If you accept huge amounts of government funding to avoid collapse, then you better expect there will be an equivalent amount of government oversight and input into how you do things. And that includes the government firing management (who were responsible for the bad decisions to begin with).

      If you're the largest shareholder in a company, you get the most say in how things are run, and who runs it. Doesn't matter if you as a shareholder are an individual, a mutual fund, a pension fund, or the government.

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    6. Re:No shit! by artor3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know if you're just horribly misinformed, or a liar, but nearly every single thing in your post is wrong. It's what's called a Gish Gallop. You rattle off so many lies that people look and say "Wow, that guy sure knows his stuff" while the honest people can't refute them all fast enough. But I'll try anyway.

      Starting from the quoted section:
      1) He didn't reverse on closing Gitmo. The Republicans blocked all funding for the transfer of prisoners elsewhere. He is literally not allowed to spend a single cent on closing the prison. You cannot blame him for that.
      2) The use of drones by police departments is a nonissue. These drones aren't carrying weapons -- they're no different from helicopters, except that they're cheaper, which is a good thing.
      3) SOPA & PIPA were opposed by Obama. You can't seriously be complaining about his support for something he didn't support. You might as well complain about his support for Al Qaeda.
      4) The stimulus funds did not "take over" any industries. Give one example. Just one. Literally, I want you to name a single American business which is now government owned because of the stimulus. Either that, or come back and apologize for lying.
      5) TARP was passed by Bush, and didn't take over banks in any case.
      6) The health care law does not take over anything. It puts some new regulations on private insurance companies, prevents individuals from abusing the system with an individual mandate, and helps individuals for whom the mandate would be burdensome by providing them with subsidies. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh. The man is lying to you.
      7) New environmental controls? You'll need to be more specific, but I suspect this is every bit as much a lie as the rest of your talking points.
      8) Obama didn't make the decision about Boeing's plant. The National Labor Relations Board did. That's their job... to determine when businesses are retaliating against unions and block such maneuvers. The fact that South Carolina is a "red" state was irrelevant. Boeing was retaliating against their unionized workers in Washington state, and that's against the law.

    7. Re:No shit! by Ihmhi · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well for starters, we're in a State of Emergency as a country. See, Bush declared said SoE after September 11th. The National Emergencies Act exists to prevent an indefinite state of emergency (to some degree), but that's basically what's been happening. It has to be renewed every year or two and Obama has signed it every time (here's 2009, just an example). Why? Because being in a State of Emergency also grants the Executive Branch around 500 additional powers that it wouldn't otherwise have.

      So yeah, there' that.

    8. Re:No shit! by artor3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Liar, liar, pants on fire :-P

      The Republicans were able to filibuster in the Senate for all but a few months. For the first several months, they made Al Franken jump through hoop after hoop, long past the point that it was obvious to everyone that he had beaten Mr. Coleman. Then, just a month later, Ted Kennedy passed away, his illness having prevented him from voting during that one month window. Paul Kirk was appointed in late September as a temporary senator ahead of the special election. Four months later, Scott Brown took office.

      That was it: a four month window during which the Democrats were focused on getting health care reform passed. For the other twenty months of that two year period, the Republicans had the filibuster, and used it at every opportunity.

    9. Re:No shit! by artor3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      So many lies, I feel like I'm shouting into a hurricane....

      1) It's good that the stimulus funds came with strings attached. That's a heck of a lot better than just handing out money with no oversight. If these companies weren't willing to accept the strings, all they had to do was pay back the funds, or not take them in the first place. When you take out a loan, the bank isn't "taking over" your finances.

      2) Since you acknowledge that banks left the TARP program because they didn't like the attached strings, that seems to me to be proof that it was NOT a takeover. Generally you don't let people opt out of being taken over.

      3) You claim that a bill 2000 pages long is incomprehensible. Do you realize how short that is? That's less than half the length of the Harry Potter series. Even less, in terms of words, since if you've ever looked at the raw text of a bill you'd know they have huge margins and triple spacing between lines. If you think no one has read it, you're a fool. You can be sure that the Republicans went through every page with a fine tooth comb. The worst they found was the provision that allowed the sick and elderly to get a free appointment with their doctor to discuss Do Not Resuscitate Orders and the drafting of a will.

      4) The Keystone pipeline was rejected because the Republicans didn't give Obama time to thoroughly review it. They insisted on setting a short timeline, so he rejected it rather than approve it without doing the necessary research.

      5) The fact that China has poor environmental regulations doesn't mean we should follow suit. That's called a race to the bottom. If China made slavery legal, would you suggest we do the same to stay competitive?

      6) I live in Washington state. I closely followed the build up to Boeing's announcement that they were moving the 787 production to SC. It certainly seemed like retaliation, and the NLRB agreed.

      7) Your claim that all five members were appointed by Obama is laughable. You clearly just looked it up on Wikipedia, because otherwise you would know that at the time of the ruling the board had two Obama appointees, one Bush appointee, one Clinton appointee, and one vacancy. Do your homework next time.

    10. Re:No shit! by StevenMaurer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We elect Presidents in the U.S. Not dictators. The fact that you don't understand, or are unwilling to admit, how powerful Congress is, and how dysfunctional they've become, is the real source of your sickness.

    11. Re:No shit! by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's always struck me as odd how people can be so vigilant about 1984 but not a brave new world. I don't understand people who spend all their time worrying about big government, but think big business is a good thing. Same goals: taking your rights and your money. Same people even. Business becoming the government is okay, but somehow government regulating business is evil socialism.

  3. "I've got one that can SEE!" -- They Live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Memorable quotes for
    Looker (1981)
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082677/quotes

    "John Reston: Television can control public opinion more effectively than armies of secret police, because television is entirely voluntary. The American government forces our children to attend school, but nobody forces them to watch T.V. Americans of all ages *submit* to television. Television is the American ideal. Persuasion without coercion. Nobody makes us watch. Who could have predicted that a *free* people would voluntarily spend one fifth of their lives sitting in front of a *box* with pictures? Fifteen years sitting in prison is punishment. But 15 years sitting in front of a television set is entertainment. And the average American now spends more than one and a half years of his life just watching television commercials. Fifty minutes, every day of his life, watching commercials. Now, that's power. "

    "The United States has it's own propaganda, but it's very effective because people don't realize that it's propaganda. And it's subtle, but it's actually a much stronger propaganda machine than the Nazis had but it's funded in a different way. With the Nazis it was funded by the government, but in the United States, it's funded by corporations and corporations they only want things to happen that will make people want to buy stuff. So whatever that is, then that is considered okay and good, but that doesn't necessarily mean it really serves people's thinking - it can stupify and make not very good things happen."
    -- Crispin Glover: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000417/bio

    "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, CIA Director

  4. Want to know what I REALLY think about this? by Faulkner39 · · Score: 5, Funny

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  5. Some kind of irony by ChrisGoodwin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seven of the nations that rank "more free" than the United States are former Soviet bloc states.

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    1. Re:Some kind of irony by bky1701 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not really irony. They simply know where the slippery slope leads. Americans have forgotten why tyranny is bad.

  6. Re:"falling over 100% of their previous ranking" by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does falling from 27 to 47 in ranking qualify for your test of significant metrics?

    Either way, it's Springtime for Hitler!

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  7. Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, US dropped 110% in world math rankings...

  8. Re:"falling over 100% of their previous ranking" by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Either way, it's Springtime for Hitler!

    Godwin in 13 minutes. Not bad for a Thursday evening.

  9. Re:"falling over 100% of their previous ranking" by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Funny

    Godwin does NOT apply to Mel Brooks references!

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  10. Reporters Without Borders moving from the right? by nbauman · · Score: 5, Informative

    I hope this indicates that Reporters Without Borders is moving towards some independence and partisan neutrality, unlike their past performance.

    You can either take money from Otto Reich, or you can be an impartial, credible advocate of press freedom. You can't do both.

    Reporters Without Borders has chosen to take money from Otto Reich.

    As this Wikipedia article explains, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders#Controversies Reich was engaging in propaganda to support military campaigns against left-wing governments governments in Latin America, and he was on the board of the School of the Americas, which trained people in torture and executions.

    They accused the Aristide government in Haiti of attacks on the opposition press, but they ignored attacks on journalists under the Latortue government.

  11. Re:That will happen ... by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You mean the oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic? Seems he's one of the few who took it seriously.

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  12. Re:"I've got one that can SEE!" -- They Live by Xyrus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To quote Brother George Carlin:

    The real owners are the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, they're an irrelevancy. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehouses, the city halls. They've got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies, so that they control just about all of the news and information you hear. They've got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else.

    But I'll tell you what they don't want. They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that. That doesn't help them. That's against their interests. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they're getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago.

    You know what they want? Obedient workers people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And, now, they're coming for your Social Security. They want your fucking retirement money. They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They'll get it. They'll get it all, sooner or later, because they own this fucking place. It's a big club, and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club.

    This country is finished.

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  13. I do wonder by superwiz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they consider direct media ownership by government officials as impinging on freedom of information. For example, Italy's Berlusconi owned controlling interest in much of Italy's media. He received quite a bit more consideration than any other politician would in the modern era. For any other politician a sex scandal would have been a blow to their career, while Berlusconi was only sank by Italy's near bankruptcy. As another example, on the same note, there is very little negative coverage of mayor of New York Michael Bloomberg. While he does not technically run the company, he does own Bloomberg LP which owns Bloomberg TV and US News. He is an unmarried man and most people don't even know the name of his girlfriend(girlfriends?). This is quite a fit for a politician of such high visibility. Clearly, the more media a politician owns, the less negative or controversial coverage they get.

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  14. Today's news on ./ -- particularly depressing by grahamsaa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is just another in a succession of stories on ./ today that has deeply shaken my faith in democracy and liberty in the civilized world. Earlier today (or maybe last night) there was a story posted about proposed legislation that would require ISPs to log all internet activity of customers in HI for 2 years, which would be accessible to law enforcement (or just about anyone) without a warrant or court order. Add to this the articles about DMCA exemptions for jailbreaking of devices, which are about to expire, and ACTA being signed by 22 European countries. Today, ./ also brought news of the demise of the market for used console games (thanks to Microsoft), the NASDAQ delisting a broadcasting company under pressure from the Chinese government, and a new law that would provide for indefinite logging and retention of online activity of Australian citizens.

    SOPA may be on hold, but I fear that we might be losing the war against big content providers and others who want to restrict our rights for financial or political gain. While I appreciate being made aware of these troubling developments, I find today's news to be incredibly distressing and depressing. While the war isn't over, I feel the balance is beginning to shift against us. What else can we do to tip the scales?

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  15. Re:Numbers Please for the "Occupy" Repression by mykos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Totally agree, man. As long as the rape of the Constitution isn't too widespread, it's ok. It's just a little rape.

  16. Re:"falling over 100% of their previous ranking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and incorrectly applied in any case; 47 is less than twice 27.

    Actually, the incorrect part is the summary.. the US fell 27 places... from #20 to #47.

    And while I will admit there is still a long way we can still fall, perhaps some of us should reflect for a moment about the countries ranked higher than we are, and how they got there, considering where they were (in general, not absolutely speaking in terms of this particular metric) not too long ago... Some of these places were the places I I heard about in school when they talked about repression and how "those commies" were trying to take over the world... Phrases like "Papers, please.... Your papers..." were practically ingrained into our social consciousness, asked of poor innocents in every movie with a scene set in one of these places... I'm extremely glad to hear they are doing so well (and that the stereotypes "may" have been exaggerated ;-) ) But I still have to ask; What the hell is happening to us? Aren't we supposed to be the shining light? Aren't we supposed to be the beacon of hope, the pinnacle of freedom? More importantly, why do so few people seem to care?

  17. Re:"falling over 100% of their previous ranking" by Phil06 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Welcome class to Journalism 101

    Things don't rise, they skyrocket, they don't drop, they plummet. Cuts are always draconian, oil spews, smoke belches. Now, make sure you keep your notes for the next semester Political Science 101. Class dismissed

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  18. Re:"falling over 100% of their previous ranking" by evil_aaronm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you haven't, read some of Thomas Jefferson's writings. It's shameful how far we've turned from our original ideal, embodied in the Constitution - I know, "just a god damned piece of paper!" - but he warned about just such a possibility. 200+ years can dull the senses and purpose of a country. Seems like it might be time to learn our lesson all over again.

  19. Re:"falling over 100% of their previous ranking" by tapanitarvainen · · Score: 5, Informative

    perhaps some of us should reflect for a moment about the countries ranked higher than we are, and how they got there, considering where they were (in general, not absolutely speaking in terms of this particular metric) not too long ago... Some of these places were the places I I heard about in school when they talked about repression and how "those commies" were trying to take over the world... Phrases like "Papers, please.... Your papers..." were practically ingrained into our social consciousness, asked of poor innocents in every movie with a scene set in one of these places...

    Curiously, Finland remains one of those countries where there's no general legal requirement to carry identification papers or indeed even to have any - and some people actually don't. (There's presidential election going on here right now, and every now and then people come to vote without papers, and there are a number of ways they can, including bringing along someone who can testify they're who they say they are.)

  20. Re:"falling over 100% of their previous ranking" by silentcoder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >What the hell is happening to us? Aren't we supposed to be the shining light? Aren't we supposed to be the beacon of hope, the pinnacle of freedom? More importantly, why do so few people seem to care?

    Only two people types of people have ever said that: American politicians and American schoolteachers. Nobody else in the world has EVER thought of you that way, and frankly when us people in the rest of the world think of nations that are the epitomy of civil liberty and freedom - America hasn't even been in the top 10 in decades. The most liberal constitution in the world belongs to an African country for crying out loud.

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  21. Y'all keep voting for the authoritarian candidates by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who promise wam fuzzies of one type or another.

    It isn't left vs right. It's authoritarian vs autarchic.

    There are a couple of ironies which are missed in American politics. It's rather bewildering to watch from the outside.

    1. On the liberal side: How can liberal ideals, which are literally those which pertain to being free, possibly be accomplished by handing more authority to a centralised bureaucracy?

    2. On the conservative side: How can conservative ideals, such as lower taxation possibly be accomplished by increasing legislation, rules, regulations on social issues like abortion, drugs or increasing spending on military or law enforcement?

    Both points of view, liberal and conservative are logically inconsistent with the methods being used to achieve them.

    It seems to me that you are voting along the wrong axes. The true axis is authoritarian vs autarchic (I won't use the word "liberal" because the meaning has been perverted) and both sides; republican and democrat are authoritarian.

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