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Ask Slashdot: Money-Making Home-Based Tech Skills?

New submitter ThatGamerChick writes "I'm a stay-at-home mom, but I'd like to be a work-at-home mom. I've done a few writing gigs, but I'm not a really good writer and cannot charge the fees needed for it to be worth my time. I'm just looking for something that I can teach myself in a few months and start taking small projects and working my way up from there. I've found that PHP, HTML and CSS to be the most demanded skills on sites like Elance, but the talent pool is flooded with overseas workers and Americans with so much more experience than me. Even when I was offering writing and virtual admin services on Elance I was having a hard time against them. So I'm asking here, because I think most of you may have a good insight on this type of thing as an employer of freelancers or as the freelancer themselves." What success have you had, either working from home, or employing those who do?

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  1. Home porn videos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seems like the best way to me!

    1. Re:Home porn videos? by zerobeat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is it that just about every time a women posts something on the internet someone has to immediately turn the topic to sex???

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    2. Re:Home porn videos? by sourcerror · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I guess porn was mentioned here because there are actually no well paying work-from-home jobs that you can get in 2-3 months. If it can be done from home, it can be done from India as well.

    3. Re:Home porn videos? by AvitarX · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because it's a stupid question that's offensive and lacks common sense. She thinks she can learn some magical wizard skill that is not location based, but will allow her to make money without overseas competition, or people that are way more skilled.

      I'd say camming is the best bet (it used to pay decent anyway).

      Competing locally on WordPress/drupal websites may work too, but the marketing is going to take significant out of house time. I'd suspect one could learn to make decent websites in a couple months, sell them for $600, half week's work, but again, you'll have to seek customers locally.

      Would you really want to pay anything to get PHP written by somebody that learned it in a few months?

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    4. Re:Home porn videos? by formfeed · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...there are actually no well paying work-from-home jobs that you can get in 2-3 months. If it can be done from home, it can be done from India as well.

      - Unless being local is either necessary or preferred.
      I would start with things I like to do and see if others are interested. Crafts, programming for kids, educational crafts, helping others with assembling technical home improvement projects, building water barrels, ..

      Parents might pay for something that is in between a daycare and technical home-schooling - especially if the class meets Saturday night occasionally.

    5. Re:Home porn videos? by Glonoinha · · Score: 4, Informative

      My mod points just ran out so I will just say it - that's the most informative and insightful thing I've read all week.
      As a professional software engineer with a masters degree in software engineering and twenty years of professional experience, the question literally offended me.

      Quick, Easy, Make a lot of money. Pick two.

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    6. Re:Home porn videos? by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Would you really want to pay anything to get PHP written by somebody that learned it in a few months?

      Yes, if they're cheap (because they've just learned PHP) but good (because they've just learned PHP, now that it has namespaces and proper objects) and smart (enough to know what good code looks like rather than cheap mass-cut-and-paste crap from outsourced Indian code monkeys).

      After learning PHP for a few months with an appropriate eye toward best practices, the OP could produce code that's functional as a starting point for a new web-based business. Sure, it wouldn't be spectacular or particularly efficient, but it'd be enough to show investors the idea and eventually mold into a working system.

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    7. Re:Home porn videos? by AvitarX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You appear to be talking about someone that already knows how to write web apps learning PHP, I don't think that's what the article writer is, and it's not really what I meant.

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    8. Re:Home porn videos? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 5, Informative

      For the most part, I agree. However, I can think of three things which can be done well, from home (possibly with a little training) in the tech/industry fields with which I've seen done.

      * Documentation writer. You mentioned you don't write well, but consider how poorly most documentation is written. I'm not talking about product sleeve documentation or anything like that, but more in the systems/development realm. Granted, you'd have to find an employer who is open to this non-traditional approach. This one has quite a few caveats, though: are you technically inclined? Can you read code well enough to tell what it does (having someone go through and double-check code for stupid mistakes while documenting is often useful, and doesn't necessarily take a lot of skill)?

      * Video production tasks - editing, conversion, and encoding. I have roughly 20 hours of video which I need to have taken from a raw DV format, edited, and converted into H264, and posted onto a public site roughly twice a month. We've got someone who does this on the side for us, at home. The video is for archival/educational/historic purposes. The only caveat is that you'd have to be able to be in close proximity to an operation similar to this and be able to follow detailed instructions on what needs to be done.

      * Medical coding/transcriptionist. I know this is a very common work-from-home job, though it requires a fair amount of relatively expensive training. It pays roughly as well as a junior level sysadmin job in many areas, I've noticed. You can work from home, usually at odd hours (doctors need their notes transcribed at all hours of the day), with a fair amount of flexibility for things like "the kids need dinner". You'd have to be able to type fairly quickly, know the coding of medications, and things like that. I'm not sure about the costs or time requirements associated with the training, however. Anywhere with a regional hospital nearby is going to need quite a few people to do this (a 100-workstation private practice I'm familiar with had 6+ doing this).

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    9. Re:Home porn videos? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      She could probably also get on with one of the shady web scraping/placement operation/SEO, if she knew of any. I've met people with hardly any skill who make a fair amount of money doing this.

      At that point, pornography is more ethical.

      If you have scruples, you have a very linear, hard road to climb. Pay is proportional to skill and ability. The only time that seems to deviate is when gross ethical/moral misconduct is involved (whether the participants realize it or not).

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    10. Re:Home porn videos? by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      Not at all. I don't really care whether someone has already written several web apps, or not.

      I care more that the programmer recognized when learning that there are good and bad ways to write a program, and went to the effort to learn the differences. Simple things are obvious, yet make an enormous difference:

      • Don't pollute namespaces with your own functions, especially the default.
      • Give variables descriptive names when possible, and avoid unwarranted reuse
      • Include descriptive, well-worded comments for every function, and every nontrivial block
      • Use frameworks where practical, to avoid the security and maintainability pitfalls of writing your own from scratch

      These kinds of practices are straightforward to learn, and make for great habits. However, they aren't the kind of things you'll find on any "PHP in 2 hours" tutorial, and they aren't generally in the material presented in Indian programming schools. Since the writer asked Slashdot, I assume she has already seen the myriad articles and discussions regarding good practices, and is at least aware that such things exist.

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    11. Re:Home porn videos? by Lori_Flynn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Way to make women feel really welcome in this space.... NOT. Few women post to here, and even fewer identify themselves as women. Wonder why?

    12. Re:Home porn videos? by Lori_Flynn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, that's why there are few women who post here, and even fewer who identify that they are women. The frat club atmosphere needs to change, and we need to be welcoming to women geeks here.

    13. Re:Home porn videos? by keith_nt4 · · Score: 5, Informative

      * Medical coding/transcriptionist. I know this is a very common work-from-home job, though it requires a fair amount of relatively expensive training. It pays roughly as well as a junior level sysadmin job in many areas, I've noticed. You can work from home, usually at odd hours (doctors need their notes transcribed at all hours of the day), with a fair amount of flexibility for things like "the kids need dinner". You'd have to be able to type fairly quickly, know the coding of medications, and things like that. I'm not sure about the costs or time requirements associated with the training, however. Anywhere with a regional hospital nearby is going to need quite a few people to do this (a 100-workstation private practice I'm familiar with had 6+ doing this).

      I work for a relatively small hospital in a relatively rural area and we just got through outsourcing/cutting out our transcriptionists: some of them are still working for the hospital but now employed by an off-shore company while the doctors are apparently going to be using "Dragon Medical" speech dictation software. Point is this option's future my have a shelf life.

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    14. Re:Home porn videos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a girl that came to read peoples views and their input on this women's situation I was offended to see that the very first comment was about sex. I had the feeling the topic would turn that direction when I saw she admitted to being a female, but i didn't realize it would be so immediate. I rarely post here, but the atmosphere really doesn't seem that women are treated with respect or equality. I thought this was the crowd of people that are usually accepting and above this behavior.

    15. Re:Home porn videos? by Toze · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Correction. Quick, easy, makes a lot of money, legal; pick three.

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    16. Re:Home porn videos? by Count+Fenring · · Score: 2

      Well, perhaps because being a douche to women because they're women is terrible behavior, and is extremely repetitive and boring in addition. I mean, if the "offerings of current users" that you're referring to is the ridiculous anti-woman drivel that passes for wit around here, I think the answer to what female geeks have that is better is pretty obvious - anything else. I mean, even if they uniformly produce stupid, vacuous jokes that are gross and terrible, they still win on novelty points over your precious "offerings."

      TL;DR version - You're a dimwit and a jerk for trying to justify misogyny. Women are people, treat them like fucking people already.

    17. Re:Home porn videos? by KramberryKoncerto · · Score: 2

      The "porn" comments can be considered rude and vulgar, but they only appeal to the prevalent demand for female pornography actors, rather than being intrinsically sexual. If male pornography actors were more marketable, the same thing would happen to a stay-at-home dad, and people might even talk about gay porn. Moreover, I believe the first post was first mostly because it was short, and indeed many people follow the headlines closely. You also made two sweeping generalizations, before and after you saw the first post.

    18. Re:Home porn videos? by t0rkm3 · · Score: 2

      Huh... That's funny, cuz I was talking to my wife, who is fairly market savvy, what she thought would be a good way to try to leverage my skills into working from home... and she looked at me, smiled and said, "Besides porn?"

      Truth is, it is a low overhead system, that if worked correctly can yield a high income without building your network, and doing something that comes naturally.

  2. Do something local by bobbutts · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The cheaper internet competitors from other places cannot enter this market.

    1. Re:Do something local by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Very true.

      You can advertise is the local or regional papers.

      You have 3 advantages:

      1. You speak English as a native, and understand the culture.
      2. Talent overseas is not always a bag of chips and then some. Cut rate offers means you get what you pay for and it doesn't work right.
      3. The locals can spell and say your name.

      Conversely, if you were to compete with AsiaPAC talent in their home land, they have the advantage locally.

    2. Re:Do something local by halfaperson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree on this. About a year ago I quit my job to try my luck as an independent web developer. Pretty naively I assumed that all I had to do was make sure I was visible online and people would find me. Nobody did. I started browsing various sites that offered contracts on a freelance-basis but just like the original poster, I was shocked to see pretty complex projects being sold for 1/10th of what I would have offered without even trying to make a profit! Would I have made a better job than them? Probably. Did they care? No. So what to do?

      After a couple of months I gave up on trying to outbid the competition and started calling some local companies. Turns out a lot of them needed help either with web related projects or IT in general, such as networking, small office servers, etc. While web development was what I was going for when I started, I've noticed I really like the variation in the tasks I'm assigned now. And I still get to do web development.

      So yeah, going local is good advice.

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    3. Re:Do something local by BoRegardless · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Take a look at learning how to setup and "program" FileMaker Pro for small businesses. I am not claiming you can jump in and become an expert in 2-3 months. You need an organized mind and a desire to figure out effective business solutions. It will require a lot of FMPro training of one type or another and you might work with one of the certified developers in your area. Plenty of books exist on database development, so the core knowledge is out there.

      FileMaker is also entering the larger company markets, too, what with their iPad & iPhone apps connecting back to the FMPro on a server.

      http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/01/27/filemaker_highlights_successful_deployment_of_ipads_by_austin_texas.html

      http://www.filemaker.com/

    4. Re:Do something local by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Based on what I've seen and heard the customers you'll find on Elance, rent-a-coder and similar are the ones you want to avoid like the plague. Seriously.

      Forget about learning PHP in a few months unless you want to deliver the crap that so many already are delivering (SQL injections, etc.). Also, PHP itself is not enough, you have to learn some things about Apache (web server), MySQL, etc.

      Start with HTML & CSS and read some good books on design, accessibly, and usability. A (female) friend of mine started several years back with providing accessible HTML and CSS coding services and she's now successful. Be prepared for at least 3 years of hard time.

      As for local: she works mostly (as far as I know) with customers overseas (UK).
      As for myself: I am a freelance Perl programmer -- type it in Google and you got me: SEO is a skill you should learn as well -- living in Mexico. I don't work local because the pay would be 6 times (or more) less and I don't speak Spanish (can understand it, though). So I have customers in the USA (yes, I am one of those curry lovers stealing your jobs :-D), Europe, even Japan. While local makes it possible to visit in person and hence break the ice and maybe sell yourself easier, I don't think it's really needed for my line of work, and maybe not for web design either. Personally, I think personal conversations (skype or in person) are a gigantic waste of time; email works way better (in my case and in my opinion).

      To summarize:

      * forget about PHP in a few months: that's long term and requires study of PHP and at least MySQL, Apache, and several other things.
      * make yourself visible on the Internet
      * forget about eLance and rent-a-coder: the customers you'll get there suck and you can't compete with the others
      * learn HTML, CSS, usability, accessibility and SEO: I would recommend at least 1 hour of study, 3 days a week. And don't learn
          those things from "learn online" sites. It's very hard to find ones that actually know what they are talking about (more so with PHP)
          get yourself 5 good books and read w3c.org

      Good luck,
      John

    5. Re:Do something local by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nice job bashing both the product and Apple in one paragraph ... but the guy actually had a valid point, which you simply wanted to bulldoze over. SMALL businesses are not likely to invest in a Lotus Notes solution. A copy of Bento (mobile version of FMP for iOS devices) is very inexpensive and has a modern, up-to-date look. (Not some relic from the 90's.)

      If, like many businesses, they simply need a basic database of contacts or some other specific info, accessible and editable from multiple, portable devices? It's not a bad solution at all.

    6. Re:Do something local by guruevi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You would be surprised how many small businesses and even large businesses rely on FileMaker. I work with a hospital and practically all ad-hoc databasing by the employees is done using FileMaker Server. It beats Excel or Access, can be linked into a proper SQL database very easily and it is centralized and doesn't need a DBA caressing the system so it doesn't fall apart for each MSSQL Server or Oracle instance.

      FileMaker has what Access or MSSQL Express lacks: WYSIWYG interface that builds a database and it's front end and website in one fell swoop and recently also gives you access over mobile devices and PHP integration. What's not to like?

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    7. Re:Do something local by tverbeek · · Score: 2

      Lotus Notes is the worst pile of legacy cruft left over from the 1990s that I have displeasure of being forced to work with.

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    8. Re:Do something local by Z34107 · · Score: 2

      A rather large hospital out west implemented an entire EMR in FileMaker Pro. It wasn't anything to look at, was somewhat feature bereft, etc., but it supported the workflows they needed it to, exactly how they wanted it to.

      Reporting can be done by an utter novice, since you can do a full-text search on every field in FileMaker Pro. No SQL - just keep clicking find, and you have your ad-hoc report. I guess you can say it's "accessible."

      So, no, it's definitely not a "professional" solution, and I wouldn't want to touch it with a ten foot pole. But, they wrote an Electronic Medical Record in it, with no technical knowledge whatsover.

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  3. Production values by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's an article in Cracked about why homemade porn tends to fail: good makeup, lighting, camera work, editing, writing of the frame story, and marketing all cost money.

    1. Re:Production values by tacarat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Most people don't know that there were no pizza delivery boys before porn. After the first movie featuring that mythical job, there was suddenly demand for the position. That's why drivers can be paid relatively little.... they're waiting for those special customers (that may never appear).

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    2. Re:Production values by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      I actually didn't know that (although in my country, there is little or no tradition of delivering pizza to people's homes). You've just changed my whole perception of Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash!

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    3. Re:Production values by SnapShot · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's funny, I was just looking through an old magazine that someone must have left at the house and stumbled across this letter:

      Dear Penthouse Letters,

      I always thought these letters where fake until it happened to me. I was working my way through college delivering pizzas and I got this call to deliver two anchovy, green pepper and olive pizzas to this dive bar down on the bad side of town. I get there and there are four people at the bar; a pasty guy who looked like he lived in his mom's basement, two middle-age women who could have been his mom, and a short fellow in a "Jesus Saves... and takes Half Damage" T-shirt.

      [this goes on for three more excruciating, NSFW paragraphs and ends with the following sentence]

      And that's why I don't deliver pizza any more.

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    4. Re:Production values by MadCat · · Score: 2

      Sorry, you're wrong there. You don't have to buy anything since most sponsors (the people you promote) provide you with content. Of course, it's over-used. Buying it yourself isn't a must, but is recommended.

      Paying for link placement is something you don't do either, you either generate your own traffic, or you might as well get out of the business altogether.

      Paying for hosting: yep. You do have to do that. Just like any other business out there...

      As far as a 0.00001% conversion rate, if that's what you converted at, you were doing it wrong. With a 2% ctr on ads and a 1:750 conversion rate (which is about the average), you can still turn a decent income.

      However, the days of putting up some porn and sitting back while the money rolls in are long gone. It's a 40+ hour per week job that you have to work at in order to get paid, and being what it is, any unrest in the world that upsets the economy is going to directly impact your bottom line. Porn is a luxury item, after all. There's also a bunch of legalities you have to deal with, and if you have no idea what you're doing, have no idea about advertising or writing sales pitches, you're better off not even thinking about it.

      And yes, I've done adult from 1996 to 2009, give or take.

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  4. Quality Assurance by kevin_conaway · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lots of software companies will either hire you on staff or contract with you as a freelancer to do remote quality assurance on their products.

    You can pitch your writing & communication skills as an asset here. Instead of saying: this doesn't work, you can write reasonable, reproducible, clear defect and quality reports.

    1. Re:Quality Assurance by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'll second this. I have received many surprising compliments on my bug reports. It takes some time to get used to thinking in terms of a detailed report, but once it's natural, developers will greatly appreciate thorough and clear reports. If your writing is detailed enough, there are companies where the developers will actually look forward to having you test the product. As a developer myself, I have seen far too many terrible reports to count, where the procedure wasn't clear, text was inaccurate, or the "steps to reproduce" didn't actually reproduce the problem (even on the user's machine).

      High-quality QA is in demand, but many companies don't even realize it. They see their usual reports as "good enough" and spend countless extra hours trying to reproduce that one unwritten action that caused a problem.

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    2. Re:Quality Assurance by ubrgeek · · Score: 4, Informative

      I used to do tech editing for books like some of the Idiot's guides (). Pay was $2/page and very easy.

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    3. Re:Quality Assurance by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hallway usability testing is not to be underestimated.

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    4. Re:Quality Assurance by CodeBuster · · Score: 2

      High-quality QA is in demand, but many companies don't even realize it.

      I would agree with the parent completely. However for an even more complete skill set, consider investing some time in learning a build scripting language, continuous integration or unit testing framework. You may also need to learn a bit of programming (think jack of all trades here, knowing many languages well enough to get by), but generally not as much or as varied as the devs writing the software that you are testing. Someone who has these skills, even if they don't have a CS degree or lots of programming experience, would definitely be a valuable addition to any programming shop. There are too many marginal devs these days and not enough skilled QA people and testers. There is definitely an under supply of capable workers and pent up demand in that market. Finally, if you can build up enough skill and experience to become a consultant in those areas then you will have really hit the big time with six figure annual pay not being out of the question, provided that you can manage the travel, remote work and dealing with clients.

    5. Re:Quality Assurance by ubrgeek · · Score: 2

      I was an editor for a (now-defunct) "Geek news" site and someone there mentioned doing it. I emailed the publishing company and passed along my resume. They asked if I was interested in writing a book and I said it was too much effort. They came back and asked if I was interested in the tech editing and I said sure.

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  5. Video Game Commentary by TheSimkin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you are good at video games and enjoy them you could make some money playing video games professionally, making walktrhoughs etc! http://tgn.tv/ is where i started, they have a lot of tips and tricks on how to get started and get more views quickly. good luck!!!

  6. Work for yourself, not others. by DustPuppySnr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are interested in learning a web development language, use that skills to work on a idea for your own sites. When I started learning web development, I created a small on-line tool that people can use. Every time I learned a new language, I've re-written the web app in that particular language as an exercise. So my little webapp went from Perl, PHP, Python WSGI to the current Python Django. Now after a few years, I'm getting 1.5K visitors a day and earning about $300 a month for doing nothing. So instead of working for someone else at $100 per project, I starting on some new ideas and seeing if I can earn more recurring income while sipping on a beer. The only hard part is finding the idea to work on.

    1. Re:Work for yourself, not others. by cide · · Score: 2

      Ad revenues? .. Ha!

      A few years ago I had a site that was generating about 4k unique users per month for my Linux/FOSS software program. I thought I'd throw on the Google AdSence. After three months the AdSense control panel said I accumulated $2.53! It wasn't long after that when I got a nasty email from Google saying that due to "unauthentic" click activity, my site account was disabled and I was permanently placed on the AdSense shit list.

      I later found out why. Some enterprising user on some forum thought he would support my work by clicking the Google provided ads repeatedly. Following Google's appeal process, I tried explaining this by submitting my story through their online form. This was 2008. To date no response, and I'm still on the shit list.

      https://support.google.com/adsense/bin/answer.py?hl=en&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=ww-ww-et-asfe_&utm_source=aso&answer=57153#q3

      I later found out that the best way to make money with online Linux/FOSS software is to use PayPal's donate button allow users to contribute to my "beer fund". While PayPal's fees were atrocious, I was able to buy a case of Guinness. YESss

  7. Sell local, not global by dugjohnson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You'll find that your skills, assuming you can put together a decent website, will do fine if you work with a local organization.
    There are tons of organizations near you/anyone who need help with their web sites, but who would feel very uncomfortable working with an eLance or an overseas company...and they don't have the budget to really pay the costs of what most consulting firms would charge. This means you are going to have to get out and make some contacts. The easiest thing you can do, assuming you can present at all, is to put together a talk (approx 20 minutes) that you can give with power point and without on "Promoting your company on the web" and then offer it to your local chamber of commerce and Rotary and women in business organizations. The information has to be useful whether they hire you or not. But there will be leads that come from that and off you go.

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  8. If you can make sites... by SomePgmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Little side jobs that I do often come from business contacts of friends, followed by word of mouth from those jobs.

    Real people like to deal with real people. Asking someone in India to do work for you feels like a bizarre gamble for your average business. That's your competitive advantage and you should use it.

    1. Re:If you can make sites... by mounthood · · Score: 2

      Real people like to deal with real people. Asking someone in India to do work for you feels like a bizarre gamble for your average business. That's your competitive advantage and you should use it.

      Just to add to that, many small businesses want part-time/remote/on-call support, not a full time employee. Tell people you're a stay at home mom, that you may not respond right away, and that you're only interested in smaller projects. Combined with a cheap hourly rate and a sample portfolio, small business people will be happy to hire you. You can raise your rates with experience and contacts.

      Also, learning the basics is essential and the right way to start, but you should also learn how do an entire website, from start to finish; buy a DNS name, install a database (or configure one that's hosted), change web server settings, etc.... Learning WordPress would probably be a good next step.

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  9. I was a freelancer by zaydana · · Score: 4, Informative

    I haven't done any online projects recently, but for some years I used to work pretty much exclusively on projects from rentacoder.com (now vworker.com).

    The way I got into it was by starting bidding low on small jobs, getting good feedback, and progressively moving onto larger jobs. You'll find that the people willing to pay a decent amount on these websites also want experience and good reviews.

    Once you have the reputation to even be considered, you need to make sure you bid on the right projects. That means finding projects that don't have a huge number of bids, and projects which match your previous experience. You need a portfolio. If you have spare time, spend it working on something which you can show off to prospective bidders. I'm pretty sure a little javascript asteroids clone I wrote 5 years back got me more work than any other reasons I gave people to hire me.

    It also helps to concentrate on projects which are the latest big craze - when I was working, this was javascript. Not many people knew how to use it properly, so there were fewer bidders and you could charge higher prices. Of course, everybody "knows" javascript now days - I imagine phone apps is where it is at.

    However you approach it, don't be discouraged when you don't win projects. It takes a while to get into the game. And regardless of how well you do, remember that you'd still make more money by working for locals (which is why I quit). Unless you enjoy it, theres probably better ways of making money.

    Good luck!

    1. Re:I was a freelancer by Courageous · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pay particular attention to zaydana's recommendation to do a significant pet project. Tangible, proven skills even in an otherwise toy problem are one aspect of breaking into the software business, no matter where you ultimately work.

      Conversely, if one doesn't have the personal inclination or passion to actually come up with such a project, one perhaps should consider something other than a life in software.

  10. YMMV - It's very hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've tried what you've tried. I was on Rent A Coder, Moonlighter, Guru, and a few others.

    First of all, with a '0' zero score, it will be extrememely difficult to get work - even if you offer your services for $1 or whatever the minimum is these days. Those sites are saturated with people. And many folks posting jobs actually have geographical restrictions: if you're not in a Third World country, you can't even bid.

    Local business?

    Again. Depending are on where you are matters, but here in Metro Atlanta, things are saturated. There have been a large amount of lay-offs and many folks are trying to do what you're doing out of desperation. Every Tom, Dick, Harry, Larry and Mary are in web development, support and PC repair. And contrary to the opinion here, they're not all screw-ups or mediocre - there are quite a few talented people out of work. Many of them had real jobs doing those things and got canned during economic meltdown. I constantly see signs on the side of the road from folks trying to get web design, coding, PC repair, and support work.

    Retrain?

    Good luck. Without paid experience it is also very hard. Folks want to talk to previous clients and see what other work you have done. And even then ... Out of desperaton, I tried putting up my own websites under different company names to use as "references" but my measely two websites werent' enough or I just sucked - I don't know because I never got feedback from people who mattered. Sure, all my friends said they looked great but apparently they weren't good enough.

    I do know someone who did do well - as a graphic artist. She had a following at her old job and when she quit, the folks who liked her recommended her and when they changed jobs, they hired her - that way she didn't get into trouble for poaching people.

    tl;dr Starting in this day and age as a freelancer is extremely difficult. All the folks I know who are making a living as freelancers were doing it since the 90's early '00s.

  11. Working from home not for the First World by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you can work from home, you can work from Bangalore. And people working from Bangalore are cheaper.

  12. BotNet Herder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The real home money is in BotNet herding. You can read all about this great money making opportunity in this PDF. ;)

  13. Fix computers and network that way for local jobs by j-stroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Everyone knows someone with computer trouble and often its not that hard to resolve. Especially if you can do it as a house-call.

    Additionally, people with computers are often trying to do things with them.. websites, imagery, newsletters, blogs, etc. and many folks don't know how.

    Setting them up document templates, blogs, and other workflow in addition to good free software, and advising on purchases is a good way to go for someone with even modest experience.

    Computer experience is a "culture" of knowledge that many people aren't connected to. By having face-time with your clients you can know them well enough to do remote desktop or phone support from home on their projects as they do them. They will recommend you to everyone they know if they are happy and that can lead to bigger contracts. In home-based you need both the big and the small contracts.

    This can also lead to doing contra with any local businesses you are a customer of. woohoo!

  14. I suggest an introductory course in economics by slk · · Score: 4, Informative

    What you are asking for is not possible due to the way markets work.

    If there is a skill that takes only a few months to learn, doesn't require formal background, and then you can do meaningful projects, that skill is not worth much because just about anybody can learn it.

    Pick something that is more than a simple skill (i.e. artistic aptitude, something unique), find a niche, find something that's still widely used but "out of fashion", go local (works better in a relatively "low-tech" locale), find somebody who will take on an apprentice / mentee in some area deeper than a "2-3 month learning curve".

    Also, if you're already writing, they way to get better at writing is to keep writing. Start a blog or two, volunteer to write documentation for a non-profit or open source project or similar, use that as a portfolio to find better paying writing work.

    Speaking of non-profits - volunteering with one is a great way to network, find somebody who might pay you for the skills you're using as a volunteer, etc.

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    1. Re:I suggest an introductory course in economics by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      You can do it if you use the skill to address a gap in the market. I did that and accidentally turned it into a little side business.

      A few years back a friend wanted to connect some old Spectrum/Atari/Amiga joysticks to his PC. We mucked about with some adapter plans we found on the internet but eventually I just made my own USB one using my knowledge of electronics and microcontroller programming. I started getting lots of emails about it so made a few for people, had some PCBs done in China (Seeed Studio) and ended up selling a fair few. The whole lot is open source too.

      Don't just learn a skill and hope, figure how where there is an actual opportunity or job and aim for it.

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    2. Re:I suggest an introductory course in economics by slk · · Score: 2

      @AniMoJo - that's exactly what I'm suggesting - find a niche. Don't go after a commodity market; commodity markets get commodity pricing.

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  15. Honestly, good luck. by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    If you are not an expert in something, don't think you are going to learn it easily and do it at home. "At home" means you get paid 1/10th the pay for 5X the work. if you are ok with working from 7am to 7pm every day and getting basically $1.00-$2.00 an hour, then go for it.

    honestly you need to be a seasoned expert that is highly skilled and knowledgeable in a field to make any real money at home. My wife is a CPA with 22 years of experience and does taxes at home for small businesses.

    You can look up medical transcription, but you have to be a stellar typist that has a very high accuracy and speed to make it. But you can make a good wage (for home based, entry level wage for a go to work based)

    your best bet, find a regular job. Your kids will be fine with daycare, and honestly it's healthy for you to get away from them for periods of time.

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  16. Aiming at the wrong market by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2

    The kind of customer who uses $1 dollar an hour coders is not the kind of customer you want to be working for. They have no idea about price vs quality or how an economy is supposed to work.

    I have in the past had to deal with more then my fair share of companies and individuals who had let their software or website be developed by either outsourcing or paying some kid a below minimum wage rate. Eventually it turns out that this doesn't result in even good enough code and then they came searching for someone to fix it all. And geesh, often they had spend their entire budget and more on the promises of "it will be fixed in the next version if you pay me now" and now they had nothing left but an average and outdated idea, useless code and a lesson not learned. The lucky ones can loan some more money but now have to start in debt with a website that has to be rebuild from scratch and is now last to market.

    I have seen everything from sites where order lines were overwritten with new orders by the same person, to simple exchange rate errors on the financial report which the IRS does NOT find half as amusing as you might think to programs that load everything from the database and then search through it in memory. Works perfect for a demo with 5 products, enter your 50.000 and you need a super computer.

    BUT the customers using these rent-a-coder site still think you can rent a coder for a dollar and get quality because obviously quality coders have no other options. Region matters less then they think, if it is no problem getting a coder in a low wage region to work for you, then it is no problem for that worker to get work for higher wages from your region... open borders work both ways. Here is the sting with outsourcing, the capable people in outsourcing regions don't want to work for your wages AND will work on their OWN ideas so THEY get the big bucks.

    If the customer is only interested in low price, then you are racing to the bottom trying to compete. There is currently a big market for anyone who can setup a Magento webshop. But there are a LOT of bidders out there thinking they can do it for less and less money. Sure, you might try to persuade that YOU can do it better, make it more efficient, not have pages load in under 1 minute and be proud of it but you would be surprised just how few companies that want to start a web shop have either the know-how or the budget to do it right. You are setting yourself up for despair.

    In many ways, getting a cleaning job pays better. People might not appreciate the work of a web developer but they do appreciate the work of the person that stops their toilets from becoming alive. The bottom end of web development is not a place to look for an income. To many competitors, not enough employers who know that quality costs money. Hell, the OP is part of problem, someone who doesn't need to make a real living from it undercutting those who do. How can you make a wage if there are people doing it for tips? Plenty of university girls make a living as a hooker, not so many boys do. How can you sell what so many are willing to give away for free or the cost of a beer?

    Same deal.

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  17. Advice from a web professional: by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Informative

    1st -> Find the free open source web content management system used most in your area/country in the professional field. In Germany that'd be Typo3, in your case (I'm guessing you're a US resident) that would probably be EZ Publish, Drupal or something like that.

    2nd -> Learn that system and learn it well. Do this in the following order (timeframes mentioned are basic estimates based on my experience in 13 years of web development):

            a) 6 months: Editing and Management, understanding the systems structure principles, Backend/Admin Interface Navigation, core system functions and features. (Coverd with User Maunals and User Books on your CMS) --> take on first jobs as an editor for installations and websites using said system.

            b) 4 months: Markup stuff. Templating, HTML, CSS, minor changes and adjustments at that level, look into mobile templates aswell, everything is going mobile, you want to be on top of that when doing markup stuff (covered with HTML and CSS books)

            c) After about a year: Installing and maintaining, DB structure, MySQL DB Management (I'm presuming it uses a MySQL DB, since they all do), low-level maintainance, basic admining and maintainance at shell access level (Unix/Linux/OS X type stuff), DB and media directory backup, versioning ... Here is where 3rd party tools come into play and will become an important asset. FTP GUI tool, Versioning GUIs, DB Tools, editors, etc. As for versioning my hint: Go with Git right away, the tools awailable now are foolproof and if you start versioning with the distributed paradigm right away you won't have problems understanding it later on. (covered with DB adming, Shell navigation, Linux, Apache and Books on Versioning ... you're entering solid OReilly territory here)

            d)1,5 - 2 years into your new field: Programming, internal framework structure, maybe some PL basics before hand (more specialist tools, perhaps an IDE of some sort, maybe your own remote system) (covered with books on the programming language the system is implemented in ... most of them are built with PHP, Ajax / JavaScript would be the other end)

    If you really want to make this your job, *do* focus on one system and one system/framework only! Pick the one most people are using or the one with which you get your first big-time paying customer. And don't be fooled, even then getting good money won't be easy at first. Proper editor level maintainace of a non-trivial web CMS requires experience, as does handling whiny customers and keeping your cool when the system goes offline for some odd reason you'll be researching for the next 30 hours :-) . You'll gain experience on the way, but also some grey hairs, so I expect anyway.

    Start with maintaining your own test system and your own site running said system. Offer yourself up for editorial and maintainance work. Take it from there going into low-level maintainance and programming This will become interessting after 12-18 months into your new job.

    Bottom line:
    Popular system, start of as an editor, take it from there.
    Good luck.

    My 2 cents.

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  18. Server - Nagios/Cacti Babysitter. by grelmar · · Score: 2

    First, to repeat what others have said - think local and network like crazy.

    There are a lot of small-mid sized corporations that have a small (1-4 person) IT team but have an infrastructure that needs 24/7 monitoring. And if there's one thing that's universally despised by overworked sysadmins, it's being force to carry "the pager".

    No matter how well you set up your Nagios/Cacti monitoring, there is inevitably a high number of Flaps going to the pager "WARNING!!! Agg!! I can't ping Server Z! Panic! Meltdown! The sky is falling" page goes out automatically to the pager. 5 minutes later after an automatic recheck "RECOVERY!!! Oh, never mind, it was just a network burp, the sky is not falling, the world is a calm blue ocean."

    For anyone who's been through the "pager" rotation mill, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.

    The actual skills needed are "common sense" and responsibility. The pager goes off, you read the page, and try and determine whether it's something mission critical (ie: worth waking up the high priced help at 3am over), head to your keyboard so you can do a quick check of the detailed message/status, and fiddle and kill time for five minutes while you determine if it really is a flap. If it turns out to be something that's a) Important (something that can't wait until the morning) and b) not a flap, then you call the high priced help and they sort out the problem.

    Equipment needed: A Cel phone with an obnoxiously loud ringer (the better for to wake you up), a computer/laptop with an internet connection (so you can log into Cacti/Nagios remotely), comfy sweatpants.

    In a short time you can build yourself a rep for being reliable and trustworthy, you will have no problem increasing your income by adding more and more small customers.

  19. Check the local Chamber of Commerce by oneiros27 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I admit, you might need to get a babysitter for those times when you're actually doing initial networking and later meeting with clients, but you might be able to find a high schooler in the afternoon, depending on when the local high school lets out. In the summer, it might be even easier.

    Anyway, the local chamber of commerce -- do your research first:

    • Get a list of the members, and what their businesses are.
    • Look over the websites of each of the businesses
    • Pick one or two smaller websites that you think could use major improvement.
    • Make a mock up / prototype showing how the site(s) could be improved (and 'improved' might even be simplifying -- if you find a flash-intensive site, show them how it doesn't work on smartphones or iPad)
    • Present it to the business owner(s)

    If you can get a job from that, then you use that (and their contacts) to build up more clients. (and you might want to join the Chamber of Commerce, too, once you're established). If you can't, then you go for other ways to build up your portfolio -- find business with no web presence, or you might check on what the local non-profits are in your area, or if there's a small municipality, or even just check 1-800-Volunteer to see if there are local groups that might need website work. (eg, I volunteer for the local Friends of the LIbrary, and our town's annual street festival, run through the local Recreation Council; both could use help, and maybe also a presence on social networking sites so we can do more 'push' of information).

    If none of those work out, I'd then look to see if you can help out with Code for America or any other open source group you feel passionately about, while still trying to network to find local work. You could even look to start up a local community website if there isn't one already (list local businesses, events, what's going on in local government, etc.).

    Basically, don't just look it as a way to make money -- look at is as a way to help local businesses/non-profits/government to improve ... making it easier for people to find important information (when do you open on Sunday? does the restaurant offer anything vegan/gluten free? What services do you offer? etc.), presenting the information in a better way (ie, the website is too disorganized; it might be how their business is organized, but the general public doesn't expect to find (x) under (y)), or helping them reach out via social networking or e-mail (eg, this week's specials; important upcoming events; etc.)

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    1. Re:Check the local Chamber of Commerce by oneiros27 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The goals vary from place to place -- I admit, some are more social clubs than anything else, some are lobbying cooperatives, etc ... but the goal isn't necessarily to join them ... use their directory listings to find all the local businesses to do your cold calling Then you get your foot in the door with one of them, who will then talk about their 'new website' with the others, and maybe push more work your way.

      In my area, there's actually two county-wide chamber of commerces (one focusing on small and minority-owned businesses), a few smaller chambers of commerce focused around some of the more built-up areas, a 'business roundtable, and a number of regional 'business associations'. The thing that matters is (1) getting a list of small local businesses to contact and (2) getting a foothold into those business groups so the work comes to you and you don't have to do as much cold-calling.

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  20. Freelancing tips based on my own experience by brinca · · Score: 2

    I've been freelancing for a little under a year (I'm a work-at-home dad ;)), and so far have had overwhelming success using some of the sites previously mentioned (freelancer.com, elance.com, etc), so here's my two cents...

    First of all, don't let the fact that you have to compete with dozens of other bidders take you down, as most of these are just low-quality unprofessional washouts or even outright scammers.

    If you put some effort into your proposals (like sending the employer a private message letting them now you've actually read the bid, showing links to related portfolio, etc), will get you noticed faster than paid highlights or anything of the sort.
    Ask the employer a direct question related to the proposal, so that he feels compelled to answer (once any type of actual conversation is started, you're leaps and bounds ahead of the competition).

    Feedback and reputation are very important, as they're the superficial tools that let the employer gauge your risk and potential, so you have to start building them somehow.
    My technique when I'm first starting on a site is to bid low (though not the lowest), put in a line such as "Since I'm building my freelance portfolio, I'm willing to work below my standard rate", and never charge any money upfront (yes it's a risk, but I've never had any problems so far).

    Always keep your proposals short, clean and direct, as employers are usually busy people who don't have time (and don't care) to go through all the fluff.
    Mention your schedule and availability, and try to be available through Skype or gTalk during work hours, so you can report to your employers if need be.

    When choosing which projects to bid, go for the ones that are a little out of the ordinary, or that may require specific skills that are not available to everyone.
    Try to bid on less projects and focus on getting in higher quality proposals, than to post crappy bids left and right all over the place.
    I've started my freelancing venture with just two flash projects, one for a virtual makeover tool (http://danielbrinca.com/makeover), and an AAC radio player (http://danielbrinca.com/audioplayer), and these became so successful that now I'm able to win bids just by showing these off, or any of their spin-offs, to a new client.

    You can also consider doing or participating in an open source project, even if you feel you're not good enough, and show this off to your clients as this will prove that you're serious and have the determination to see your projects through.

    Yes there is a lot of competition out there, but if you're professional and competent, you're already a cut above the rest, so all you need is to be able to demonstrate this to strangers.

    Once you land a few jobs, you'll probably start winning more bids (and you may then ramp up your rates), or even get new jobs from previous employers.

    Hope this helps,

    Daniel Brinca

  21. Thanks! by ThatGamerChick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hi, OP here. I would also like to thank everyone for the tips and suggestions. I'm still doing my own research, and this thread has given me more to think about. I just wanted to address a few things. I know I'm not going to be a complete master at the end of 2-3 months. I was hoping that, like some other fields, you can learn a bit and then start working. Like programming scripts to automate tedious tasks, or gather info from the web, etc. I figured that I could offer something small and reasonably priced. At first, I thought about learning a piece of specialized software like ACT for real estate agents, or how to set up and write scripts for Ubot. There's just so much out there, I'm not sure where to focus on. Also, I am and will always be a full-time Mom. They come first and is the main reason I'm staying at home. But the household does need a few extra bucks a month. I'm not looking for the equivalent of a full-time job. So, thanks again for all the comments :)

    1. Re:Thanks! by r00t · · Score: 3, Informative

      You might effectively earn more income by doing things to make your husband more employable. A good breakfast (hot, with protein and vegetables) would help. You could pack a nutritious lunch for him. You could encourage him to get plenty of sleep: mild excercise a few hours prior, a decent meal, then calmness and avoidance of bluish light as bedtime approaches.

  22. Networking. Networking. Networking. by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cherish the good friends you make over the years, because like you, they're rising in their careers, and some day they might have a contract or job bid to throw your way.

    Never be afraid to meet people, hand out your business cards, and introduce yourself and your business. Even if they're not interested, give them TWO cards and ask them to pass one along to a friend (you'd be surprised how often they end up in the hand of a friend who's looking for such services.)

    You can not win the game of life playing roulette with every other schmuck on the planet who thinks slinging code == programming. It's not. Programming is a broad-based skillset of analysis, debugging, design, and coming up with unorthodox ideas to solve everyday problems. A coder is a dime a dozen; a PROGRAMMER is a special breed.

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  23. Re:Only on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only on Slashdot does someone make a joke about doing home porn... just to have another person point them to relevant articles about why the idea is unsustainable.

    And get modded up!

  24. Proof Reader and Typesetter - I kid you not by Whiteox · · Score: 2

    The best and easiest remote job I had was 'typesetting' a manuscript ready for printing.
    Most authors use a word processing program and submit their work to a publisher. The manuscript often is really badly formatted, inconsistent as authors dress up their work to make it look pretty, which is totally useless when it comes to the print stage.
    The publisher then needs to convert the text into a format that the printer can read by adding and
    The process is something like this:
    * Convert to plain text or RTF if footnotes are used.
    * Fix formatting errors (double spaces, page breaks, remove tabs, capitalization, punctuation etc) - lots of Find and Replace work and repetition.
    * Add and for chapter headings, paragraphs, quotes, sections, indents, italics etc.
    * Footnotes changed to end notes
    Zip and send back to the publisher.
    All in all, a 500 page manuscript may take 8 to 12 working hours to do and can get you $300 to $500 or more.
    Your job sources would be publishers and authors (who get told by their publisher to tag their work in plain text).
    Place ads and start ringing publishers/authors. Publishers are more than happy to send you a glossary of tab headings, formatting codes etc.
    You can learn the skills by the end of your first book or journal paper and you already have the hardware/software.
    It's pretty intense and boring at the same time and it does help if you are familiar with the subject matter, but very worthwhile.

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  25. Re:Have you considered webcam work? by hal2814 · · Score: 3, Funny

    You misspelled fellatious.

  26. Re:How about ... being a mom? by number11 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sure I'll be called chauvanistic, old-fashioned and be modded into oblivion for saying this, but how about ... oh, I dunno, being a mom and raising your children?

    Parenting is not a part-time job. I'm not going to pretend to know your situation (maybe daddy is out of the picture for whatever reason), but you'll contribute more to society by spending your time raising your kid(s) to be decent human beings.

    And society shows how much it values it, by paying stay-at-home moms accordingly, right?

  27. "So you want to be a consultant?" by jchoyt · · Score: 2
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  28. A specific article on this topic by SoothingMist · · Score: 2

    Just this weekend I published an article specific to this topic. It is available in electronic form from Barnes & Noble and Amazon. Readers for your laptop, computer, or other device are downloadable free. The title of the article is "Micro-Tasking -- A Productive Use of the Internet".