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Jailbreaking the Internet For Freedom's Sake
snydeq writes "With so many threats to a free and open Internet, sooner or later, people will need to arm themselves for the fight, writes Deep End's Paul Venezia. 'If the baboons succeed in constraining speech and information flow on the broader Internet, the new Internet will emerge quickly. For an analogy, consider the iPhone and the efforts of a few smart hackers who have allowed anyone to jailbreak an iPhone with only a small downloaded app and a few minutes,' Venezia writes. 'All that scenario would require would be a way to wrap up existing technologies into a nice, easily-installed package available through any number of methods. Picture the harrowing future of rampant Internet take-downs and censorship, and then picture a single installer that runs under Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux that installs tor, tools to leverage alternative DNS servers, anonymizing proxies, and even private VPN services. A few clicks of the mouse, and suddenly that machine would be able to access sites "banned" through general means.'"
Any alternative internet technology relies on encryption, and as long as courts have to ability to require you to decrypt data upon request, any discussion of workarounds is pointless.
To really address the real problem, the laws themselves must be the focus.
it's not about connectivity, it's about accessibility: presence in the search results, being properly indexed.
There could be million free pages under any super-free Internet. What's the point of it if nothing could be found?
Main battle is going to be around google search results and there have been several front pages on that: content providers are already fighting with google.
If a movie is getting NC-17 rating, forget about profit (in this case most rightfully so, that's Islam speaking).
If a website is accessible only via Tor, forget about business.
Imagine isntead of banning megaupload website were still accessible through Tor or some other kind of superfreeandsecretnet. Do you really think Dotcom would be leaving in 22M mansion?
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Are people so dumb now they can't pick from three or four installers the one appropriate to their system?!
If they are so dumb, doesn't this give us a chance to turn the clock back to August of '93 by leaving them behind?
(Tongue-in-cheek, of course, my love of freedom exceeds my loathing of noobs who refuse to educate themselves, and the more people using such a tool, the less feasible prosecuting everyone caught becomes.)
I would go further and suggest that this is a desired outcome by both governments and content holders: to drive the subversives, the perceived anarchists, and in short, all of the non-mainstream consumer users of the Internet off of it into their own "underground". This keeps the nominal Internet "market" sanitized from both subversive content and disruptive behavior, as well as segregates the undesirables into their own sandbox where keeping an eye on them may not be easier, but lowers the degree of urgency for doing so.
I can see this tightening of regulation creating an all new internet that is build amongst non-profit communities and connected together in fashions so that no one owns the transmission means. Unlike today's internet which is essentially owned by oligarchy consisting of AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon (i.e. Big Telecom) communities may end up either laying their own transmission lines or use multipoint wireless. This might just be the tipping point at which the pricing and collusion of Big Telecom leads to their ultimate demise and irrelevance.
Oh god, it burns.
...but in all seriousness: okay, Mr. Venezia, you can jailbreak it. Just be careful you don't brick it. No one needs a bricked Internet. While you're at it, can you install a SIM unlock, too? I hear the service provider that the Internet comes with is terrible.
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...that is what Moglen et al have been saying all along: don't trust the lawmakers and people in power to make you free. Guarantee your freedoms one by one, by building them - free speech, anonymity, etc. can be engineered!
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People go where the content is. If The Pirate Bay were only accessible over the Tor network there would be tons more traffic there, thus more information on how to access it. If enough content were only accessible over Tor soon there would be extensions for web browsers that would make it as easy to get there as any other site.
"They said we drink horse urine and sleep with our own kin. You say it's comedy, but how can someone laugh at that?"
Awesome, because nothing is more important than ensuring our supply of free entertainment continues.
Oh, I'm sorry, I mean dissident thought. Yeah, totally. Not first-run movies and PS3 game images at all. This is about freedom.
as Tor's own site will say, having the software is only one step. you have to change your habits.
it also requires the entry and exit to be trusted.
Give me RFCs or give me death, I say!
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VPNs are private by definition.
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
Kind of difficult to connect to servers that are unplugged and sitting in a guarded evidence closet somewhere.
The other problem is that people might stop creating these great sites/services because you can't "just browse" to them or venture capitalists won't fund the startup. Anonymity and an underground internet is useless if all the cool stuff is just taken down (as opposed to blocked) or even worse, never created in the first place. For example, can we secretly get to megaupload now? What about it's competitors that have disabled file sharing?
It must be nice to be so retardedly rich that you can be ignorant as hell like this fellow and not have to give a shit.
Slashdot is proof that Sturgeon's Law applies to mankind.
ie, filled with errors, out of sequence, dropped and maybe even faked packets (I know, that goes beyond what UDP is supposed to do).
but assume that the network is evil and fake and someone is always trying to do bad things (listen, change, realtime trap-on, etc) and write your layered app protocols on top of THAT assumption.
its a good assumption, in fact. if you assume your transport is bad and your app fills the gap to make the end to end connection, *now*, reliable and trustable, then you can deal with both honest and less-than-honest physical and logical transports (ethernet, atm, cable, dsl, etc).
the problem is that our protocols and apps have assumed no mess-ups internally in our networks. this is no longer true anymore! the evil bastards have gotton a hint of how cool our internet toy is and they want to pervert it to suit their will.
if we don't start taking a defensive posture on our network, we will LOSE control (arguable we have already) of our networks.
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The money will always be in the "mainstream", or the particular mainstream of every place and time, by definition.
Megaupload exists because it makes money. It makes money because millions of people watch movies and download shit off it, not because it makes a few hackers "free" to share stuff.
No mainstream = no money = not *existing* in any noticeable capacity.
Yes agree, tor + freenet + GPG etc. are the basis for something useful. However 'they' own the pipes and country to country gateways, for example. So the new, new thing will really be from the bottom up and may be quite retro to start with. I've been looking backwards at fidonet, packet radio and gopher, for example. Also been thinking about biomimetic systems where the keys, for example are transmitted on one medium and the 'doors' on another, via something that spectrum hops.
This sounds very tinfoil hat stuff but I've been around servers since Prestel, Minitel in France, BBS systems with modems and the current outlook just seems pretty bad. That is intuition rather than science, but really doesn't feel good at all. Even if we 'keep' the internet, it becomes something worse than television.
On y va, qui mal y pense!
I was just about to make the very same point myself. It's called Perfect Forward Secrecy. Use protocols in which the users do not have the ability to decrypt content after the session ends. Courts can't require you to do the impossible.
If I can be modded down for being a troll, can I be modded up for being an orc, or a balrog?
The way I see it, accessibility loss is just a precursor to connectivity loss. When ACTA fails to stop piracy what do you think they're going to do next? It's not two separate problems, just two degrees of the same problem.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
There are already millions of pages on the internet. And guess what? There are very few that make it on Google's first page. Which in essence means, they don't exist. But they still do, and they still have traffic. Not the same, true, but not exactly on the edge of oblivion.
And Tor isn't successful for two reasons, people don't understand YET that the free internet is in danger, and second, it should come as an firefox applet, with two check boxes, "I want to host a Tor server", "Enable Tor", and two buttons, OK and Cancel.
For everyone to use encryption, it needs to be made so easy that they don't even need to know what encryption is. Like with SSL - all people need to know is that if their banking site doesn't show a padlock icon, something is suspicious. That probably means accepting 'good enough' encryption for a lot of things - encryption that could be broken by a fairly advanced MITM attack, but which is sufficiently annoying to the evesdropper so as to render mass-monitoring impractical.
As a darknet I2P is clearly superior to Tor, both in speed and security - Tor still relies on trusted directory servers while I2P is fully distributed and requires no trusted servers of any kind. Tor is better as an anonymizing proxy.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Picture the harrowing future of rampant Internet take-downs and censorship, and then picture a single installer that runs under Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux that installs tor, tools to leverage alternative DNS servers, anonymizing proxies, and even private VPN services. A few clicks of the mouse, and suddenly that machine would be able to access sites "banned" through general means.'"
Kind of breath-taking when you contemplate it.
Given that the "War on Sharing" is just getting started and will follow the arc of the "War on Drugs", expect the above along with:
Of course, the question will become - are you with the Empire or the Alliance?
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The problem with this approach is that it focuses on the end user's connectivity and not the effect such laws would have on the web sites themselves. Who cares if you have unfettered access to all sites when the sites don't exist due to legal threats.
Let's take Slashdot as an example. Say something like SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/etc eventually succeeds and it becomes very easy to shut down any website with just a suggestion of copyright infringement on the site. That is, if somebody posted a link to The Pirate Bay in the comments, then somebody else could get Slashdot as a whole effectively shut down as a result. And yes, that's what could happen with laws such as SOPA.
What do you think happens to sites like Slashdot in an environment like this? The only reasonable response would be to drastically limit, if not eliminate, all user comments.
Meanwhile, the Slashdot user deftly installs the circumvention software and is easily able to get to Slashdot... but who cares? Without the comments, the entire site has only marginal value.
That's why circumvention software is only a tiny part of a workaround and one that will eventually fail. It's the sites that need to be protected, not the access.
And anyone caught with it will be treated as a child pornographer and will be attacked by vigilantes.
... aren't in home desktop machines or laptops. They're in 4GWhatever smartphones. Those are what's being pushed now. Your nifty installer might work on a desktop or laptop or even one of the few surviving netbooks, but let's see it work on a smartphone and still have plenty of storage space to do useful stuff with. And be prepared to pay out the ass for your data plan.
And what you gonna do with that pirated data you do manage to download onto your home machine? What's to stop antivirus makers from adding the hashes of popular movies to their virus databases, with appropriate scary-sounding descriptions ('FuzzyWuzzy virus detected! Multiple incidents! Clean these? ')?
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
The point has been to try and control the flow of information not merely to watch it.
I'm fairly certain that the government has an eye on everybody who can write code. If you are a programmer you probably
at some point have an FBI file just as a gun owner or bomb maker would. Remember the government considers encryption to be a munition so what does that make a programmer?
And yet we have people running covert operations to let corn rot and then distill the runoffs. They have to hideout in the woods to perform one of the simplest operations you can do with fire and liquid. The laws are justified and sold, claiming that they protect people from bad alcohol, when we all know it is about tax revenue.
In 1914, the federal government went on record outlawing a weed that covered the banks of the Potomac. A huge cadre of policemen have since been converted to an army to prevent people from talking stupid and getting the munchies. The claim is that marijuana is a "gateway" drug, when we all know that the taxed alcohol the authorities allow is the real gateway drug.
Anyone that calls these regimes into question is labeled with an outlaw, rebel, or some other less than "proper society" title. Any politician that claims that it is a matter of personal liberty is called "bat shit crazy" when they aren't being completely ignored.
Why, oh why, would anyone think that the powers that be would allow an alternative internet? "If you're on the alternative internet, it must be because of child pornography!!! Or you might be a terrorist! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" The excuse to bust down doors to lock people up for talking in chatrooms is prepared already, and the people have been conditioned to swallow it already.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
Anyone who uses encryption will be flagged as some sort of pedophile or terrorist. So encryption is not the answer.
While circumventing censorship is better than nothing this is not technical problem but a legal one. We need to stand up against censorship on the streets, not on some dark unknown meshnet.
If it weren't for pirated content, few people would need big hard drives. I mean, really, a terabyte on the desktop?
It's really hard to fill a big hard drive without pirating stuff. I was just looking at my hard drive space consumption. I have on it:
This all adds up to about 200GB.
If it weren't for piracy, the hard drive industry would be a lot smaller.
The *AA's have declared war on the free internet, and governments everywhere are getting on board with that after seeing the Arab Spring use its tools to overthrow their governments and generally stop doing what they're told. We saw with the SOPA protest how effective we can be when we work together, because there are vastly more of us than there are of them.
What we need to do now is to take it to the next level and take the fight to them. Revising copyright is probably a good place to start because there is a greater degree of public awareness about it now. If we push for the complete abolition of the notion of copyright, and push very hard, then the *AA's will be put on the defensive.
More generally we need to expunge government of the clueless, supine creatures who lay down for all this nonsense as well as the pure evil who are screwing us with full awareness of the damage they're doing. With the advent of additive manufacturing this same set of issues is about to spread to every industry, and it's going to intensify with those larger stakes. We can see a new era of human freedom or unprecedented repression, but we won't tilt the balance in our favor unless we all fight hard.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
Even saying they're "uncomfortable with the Internet" is to drink the Koolaide. The long-term and repeated historical trend has been that they're uncomfortable with sales, and this time the threat that people will shove more money down their gullets than the Hollywood companies can handle, is just as grave, and they are fighting it just as tenaciously.
Part of me wants to say there's one difference, which is that this time they are winning and achieving the goal of lowering their revenue -- driving people toward piracy because they refuse to offer the files themselves. But that's only a personal perspective and when you look at the actual numbers, it's not true: revenues are continuing to increase.
So once again, even the MPAA can't fuck this up, and they're gagging on the money that we force them to consume against their will.
The issue everyone needs to face, is whether you will disregard their choking noises like a coward at an accident scene, or if you'll be compassionate and help them achieve their long sought-after goal? Are you going to callously defy the MPAA and keep sending money for broken DRMed shit to be earmarked for the purchase of more absurd laws, or are you going to join their leaders in the effort to drive MPAA companies out of business?
I know that their suicide sounds like an insurmountable mountain, a futile effort which has stood the test of many, over decades of repeated attempts. Even the mighty Valenti couldn't prevent the movie rental market; if he, a figure of legend in modern times, couldn't bankrupt the studios, what hope do we the people have now, led by our pathetic Dodd? All I can say is take heart: if we all pull together, We Can Do This!
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
Let the Censors be hoist on their own petard...
TOR for network transport
Encrypted/Signed DNS local DNS proxy for locating public network resources
Anonymous TOR DNS for locating encrypted network resources
Bittorrent for distributed storage and data transport
Overlay protocols for WEB, MAIL, CHAT, Internet Phone, etc that never leave the TOR network
with local proxy/forwarders and distributed servers or no servers at all
Exit Node proxies with white-lists for Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc.
All wrapped up in a simple to use installer for Windows, Mac OS, Linux, Unix, IOS and Android.
I'd say this bundle is unnecessary for most GNU/Linux users (we have package managers) but still handy if we need to quickly deploy anonymizing software in a public machine.
It's better to use the bundle. Information is leaky, and you can easily forget to toggle some obscure configuration option and blow your cover. If anything, browser fingerprinting is an excellent reason to use the bundle. Everyone using the bundle should have the same fingerprint, so your identity is more obscure than if you used your daily work browser which is probably identifiable.
Tor started off as a stand alone application. Then they started distributing the torbutton plugin, and deprecated the stand alone applicaion because it was too leaky. Now torbutton is deprecated because that was still too leaky. I expect this Videla bundle to be deprecated eventually, and they'll distribute VMs with browser, proxy, plugin and full disk encryption already enabled. That should be as leak free as possible.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
Not risk isn't just (or even primarily) censorship by the government directly. It's corporations.
However, I think that you're simply wrong about motivations. The desire to pirate isn't even in the top 5 reasons for most people who are paying attention to this stuff, and not in the top 10 for the toolmakers he's talking about.
That said, I wouldn't be shocked if it was a common reason for people to actually use the tools. All the more reason to find a solution to the "piracy problem" that doesn't involve destroying our freedoms and driving pirates even deeper underground.
The internet now threatens the world's government-corporations and so of course, attempts will be made to curtail it. This will inevitably result in a "pirate" internet similar to "pirate" radio. Servers will be set up offshore, on satellites, over the borders and in the woods, on thousands of buildings and in the powerlines. Underground transmission, actually a very old technology, will make a comeback (http://www.cellular-news.com/story/18682.php). Pirate internetworks will shift and bob and weave and never, ever, be discussed in the mainstream media any more than pirate radio is now. But the new interwebs will survive, and thrive.
The "funny" (or not so funny) thing is the end result of restriction is lessened national security as sophisticated methods of alternative internet communications are forced to grow and develop due to government-corporate restrictions. Terrorists *will* use the pirate network just as terrorists will eventually manage to send the USA a nuke or two via the drug cartel networks that wouldn't exist but for Nancy Reagan's obsession with "Just say no."
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Picture the harrowing future of rampant Internet take-downs and censorship, and then picture a single installer that runs under Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux that installs tor, tools to leverage alternative DNS servers, anonymizing proxies, and even private VPN services. A few clicks of the mouse, and suddenly that machine would be able to access sites "banned" through general means.
And then picture being held indefinitely without warrant or trial if any sites you accessed were deemed related to "terrorism" (very loosely defined/open for revision of definitions that may threaten any form of political free speech) thanks to the NDAA recently passed into law (at least here in the US for US citizens anyways).
Yes, it's nice so many people are getting so worked up over the freedom to use the internet- wish there was as much backlash over the NDAA as there was over SOPA...
This is sort of the idea behind the Paranoid Linux distro that Cory Doctorow envisioned in his young adult novel Little Brother. Anybody working on it?
Now, why are you insulting those respectable and successful savannah dwelling primates by comparing them to a lower life form?
as much as corporations talk the talk about free markets, they all want to be a monopoly. they all want 100% market capitalization.
yes, we're free to choose between several walled gardens, and a precious few open platforms. give the corporations their way, and the shiniest, sexiest walled garden would become monopoly, and there'd be just as much control as you'd get from a censor-happy government.
governments and corporations all want control, but for different reasons.
I don't think the argument that corporations threaten free speech holds water.
We disagree. I think that corporations present a greater threat than the government. With the government, we at least have the constitution and some sort of influence over how it behaves. Not enough, but some. With corporations we have none. And nearly everything we do is in a corporation's control at some point or another.
I have an iPhone. It comes with a user agreement that specifics how I can use the phone. If I don't like it, I can get another phone and/or another provider.
I don't have to have an iPhone. I don't have to use AT&T.
In the US, your choices of providers is extremely limited -- is it three nowadays? The smaller ones simply resell the service of the larger ones so they don't count. You can get another phone, sure, but when they are all behaving in the same fashion -- as they do -- then this choice is illusory.
And you do have to use AT&T. If you use the internet or telephone service of any sort, the odds are overwhelming that AT&T is handling your communication as some point in its travels, even if you aren't their direct customer.
Using tools to get around restrictions set up by the government (as in China, etc) is NOT the same thing as getting around restrictions placed on a device by the manufacture.
I think they're exactly the same thing.
I think I see where we differ. You see a difference between corporations and government. I think that they have effectively merged and there is little functional difference, except that corporations operate with far fewer safeguards. Corporations do the things that are illegal for the government, and vice versa, but they work hand in hand. The end result is the loss of liberty overall.
Overly trusting pedophiles? That's my best guess.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." Feynman
Darkneting won't save us. They can deep packet inspect, or block service to TOR nodes, or simply disconnect anyone who tries. They can - will- turn the internet very quickly into an old fashioned telephone system, with your real name required and full tracking on at all times. Bandwidth throttling, for instance, while ostensibly to stop "hogs" and kill Netflix, is very useful to discourage people from running TOR nodes. Hard to run encrypted virtual pipes when they constrict at will.
They can pass any law they like and criminalize any trick we can come up with. The spooks behind this are not uninformed, and read the same boards we do.
Young people, 30 and below in age, are not concerned. They have never, if you think about it, lived in a free world. They laid face-down on the hallway floors in high school while giant thugs let dogs sniff their crotches, looking for drugs like aspirin and Dayquil. They have been fingerprinted, watched, recorded, and monitored to the point where their school-issued laptops were taking pictures of them in their underwear for years. They have never lived in a world where such things are insane; this is everyday life to them. As they grew up, they have to give pee tests, saliva tests, stop for random searches by cops, swear to moral turpitude, sign up to homeowner and condo associations that pretty much are prison systems with nicer plumbing, and submit every movement on the internet and in person to GPS/IP-registerd locations. They don't understand why privacy is important; they are indoctrinated by the sheer banality of the evil. People who live by sewage filtration plants don't smell the shit, and young people don't smell the loss of their liberties.
Solutions have to be hardware based combined with newer communication tech. Simple WiFi with encryption won't work; they'll make it illegal.
Ideas: go to LEDs in a tube to transmit optical signals over short distances, home to home, building to building. Infrared lasers to act as backbones to a TOR-like network that does-not-interface with the old internet. The old internet is dead, people; they commercialized it, gave to the corporations and the police states of the world.
Wild ideas: finally solve the problem of radio interference- it is a hardware/software limitation, not a real one. Thousands can transmit and receive over a single frequency if we solve this riddle, and then bandwidth is effectively infinite enough that TOR-like radio mesh networks could actually work with low latency and high throughput, with encryption.
3-D printing of custom network nodes that do not conform to the government's ideas of MAC addresses and complete surveillance. We'll need our own custom 3-D printers as well; they will easily require mass-produced printers to ID themselves in the products.
Well out there ideas: Quantum entanglement as a communications method. Don't laugh too hard; think about it. A transmission system that doesn't actually transmit through the air, but instead transmits at a distance without any detectable means. It can be done; I'm not the genius to do it. Believe it that the military will do it if it can be done. We all can do it too.
I don't think that you've thought about the argument that corporations threaten free speech.
Notice that no one else you know besides you bothers to read EULAs before checking the check and yessing the yes?
Mankind has evolved around the model , you sell/trade it to me, it's mine,I may in turn do the same. Forever.
Recently within written history the model you rent it to me, it's yours, but I may use it at my discretion as long as my money holds out and pay for any repairs needed. This is just recently being accepted worldwide and still not completely understood by many.
Credit is still a bust with the majority of the population.
Now I suppose the people who keep telling you that corporations threaten free speech really should be telling you something to the tune of:
Corporations threaten to overtake any rights you may have that stand in the way of their domination of mankind right down to what you wear, hear,see, eat, where you live, what you buy and where you work into a more profitable outlook for them NO MATTER WHAT. I mean screw the constitution, any local ordinances and even morality. But that's O.K since you have an Iphone . Cause theres a user agreement, that must make it O.K. to just go ahead and fuck people over who wouldn't agree to the ONEROUS bullshit if they really could understand the EULA after not likely reading it. But since the first payment comes followed by the next and so on they'll just go ahead and process that payment till the day they figure out how to sue for the whole account.
Well get this buddy, what you and the corporate world will figure out once we cure Cranial-Rectumitis is that when the world says no, it really means GIVE THE FUCK UP ON YOUR BULLSHIT BUSINESSMODEL!
Corporations and Government are repeating the same mistakes as those in power in pre revolution France. Let them eat cake.
I think the battle for speech and information is going to draw blood long before anyone writes any "internet within the internet" software capable to the task.
I believe, upon watching the Occupy movement, that any el Presidente that gets assasinated any time soon won't be a political figure, it'll be some shmuck CEO.
Those people are getting bloodthirsty, how much longer till activists from various causes start blowing the shit out of the corporate world in the name of their various Gods? Lawyers worldwide go on sabbatical rather than lose their asses.
But that's o.k. You've got an Iphone.
Now all I have to do is figure out routing in such a chaotic model...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Both corporations and government rely on an intelligent, well-informed group of people (customers/shareholders:corporation::voters:government) who are willing to take action when their interests are not served fully so they do not get out of line.
Unfortunately, even if you can argue that people in general are intelligent, more often than not they are ignorant of the issues and generally apathetic when someone tries to inform them of any issue that does not have a dire, immediately personal effect.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Your first sentence made me spit water on my monitor laughing. Pray tell, WHO are these "intelligent" and "well-informed" people? the politicians have proven that they know squat about the internet while boasting their knowledge of it. The corporations seem intent on crippling a thing that has massively increased their profits.
Does I2P offer perfect forward secrecy the way Tor's newer "telescoping" routing does?
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
As long as regular people (corporations) are laying down the "tubes" the government will be there laying down the laws that let them see what goes in and comes out of those "tubes". Sure, we could have a 100% encrypted internet, that only trusted people could use. But there will come a day when sending encrypted data at all will be as obvious as painting a bulls-eye on your ass and mooning the police.
Maybe once the internet is truly broken it will only be the geeks using it using encryption/tor/vpns etc just like when I first learnt what computers were(around 1995). And since the population of people using the internet will be so low it wouldn't be beneficial to come after them.
Pray tell, WHO are these "intelligent" and "well-informed" people? the politicians have proven that they know squat about the internet while boasting their knowledge of it.
It appears that he meant that the people (customers/voters) have to be intelligent and well-informed if they want to make the corporations/government serve their interests, not that the people who make up corporations/governments are intelligent and/or well-informed.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
There could be million free pages under any super-free Internet. What's the point of it if nothing could be found?
Presumably someone would build a search engine.
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To copy behaviour, tools and ideas is an Evolutionary force that is embedded in our brains. Quite frankly, it's a force that has done us as a species quite a bit of good over evolutionary history. We are, after all, at the top of the food chain.
There is no possible solution to the "piracy problem" apart from lobotomizing most of mankind. I am very surprised that people don't seem to realize this. If your business model doesn't fit reality, I suggest you try to adapt the business model, not reality.
You might say it's not the same, but I guarantee you there's plenty of people on the street that don't understand the difference in nuance. A restriction is a restriction is a restriction, and quite a few humans have issues accepting those restrictions from the powers that be, whatever their shape may take.
So a reaction against totalitarian States will be similar to a reaction against restrictive Corporate Policies. :)
Of course I2P is superior as a Darknet. TOR is not a Darknet.
The right to offend is central to the right to free speech.
I object strenuously to your "30 and under" label, sir.
We are not all a bunch of drooling morons, and generalizations about me based on my age do not encourage me to listen to your argument.
The right to offend is central to the right to free speech.
>Presumably someone would build a search engine
That will become a central point to the whole system, making it also an Achilles heel.
Centralization of the Internet (like centralization of anything else) is both a positive and negative quality: positive, because it allows a fast access to any relevant resource by many quickly and negative, because it makes the functionality of the whole system vulnerable.
I remember Web 0.9 in 1994, decentralized, like a magic forest in a adventure computer game, where Bookmarks were essentials and pages truly were regarded by the number of external links, and the ones that had the most were treasured. Pedro links, etc. Then as it usualy happens with free market based systems (every competition is a positive feedback loop - the more you are winning the more you have the capabilities to win), Internet become imperialized (in Marxist-Leninist definition of imperialism) and monopolized, Google being a central access point to almost everything on the Internet (I am simplifying by disregarding other monster web sites).
Those secretfreenets exist as long as they are at initial romantic decentralized early-adopter wild-West-pioneer robber-barons state. In other words, as long as they are not relevant much.
It seems that a solution to attack on mainstream internet is to maintain a freefloating living network of networks where networks are born, reach golden age of being popular but not centralized yet, and die out being not able to maintain secret security by obscurity character under the pressure of fame and necessity of centralization.
That's what is happening right now. So I stand corrected in my overmoderated pessimistic GP post: it's fine now, the king is dead, long live the princes and counts of the Internet.
Same thing happens to Jihaad, by the way.
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This is more the issue that corporations are legally structured like this. Like, a CEO is legally obliged to maximize shareholder profit. Notionally, of course, we're supposed to have a government and judiciary that act in direct opposition to this, and thus eek out the appropriate compromise. In practice this seems to have been lost on the government side (the US Supreme Court still seems to do an alright job of things within their mandate).
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This was in specific response to the "scarcity" legal defense which the pirate community likes to cite when folks say that copying movies/music is theft. When non-tangibles began to appear as items for mass distribution of sale (music/movies), the laws changed to protect them as property, even though the concept of scarcity clearly did not apply. (This happened with the first introduction of copyright/trademark etc...)
I'm not referring to the recent group of laws which intends to make fair use illegal.
Relax, it's hyperbole. But truer for the under-30's than for the over-30's. We oldsters didn't grow up in the police state system that schools have become. And, I'm in the same give-us-your-fingerprints employment that you are. Young people will tend to not notice that the world has changed - they can't, they weren't here thirty years ago. For oldsters, it's horrifying.
Damn straight you aren't all fools. God, I'm depending on it! We greying-beards ain't gonna last forever. Keep that flag up and think about alternative internet tech - it will be needed.
Oh, I do more than think about it ;)
On the other hand, I do have to admit to rather egotistically grouping myself into a very small percentage to which I apply the "not fool" label. I think - for now - it transcends age, though. Those who are of a certain mental bent and agility will continue to resist the brainwashing, because that's built into human nature, and as long as materials are still out there to study - history, more than anything - we'll know that it's not necessarily "supposed" to be the way we're told it's supposed to be.
No group in history has ever achieved any sort of freedom by sitting back and simply obeying the rules and working within the system, and revolutionaries are always found in the most unexpected times and places.
The right to offend is central to the right to free speech.
For the record, I've been reading things all day that may have put me in a reactionary state of mind, so I apologize.
The right to offend is central to the right to free speech.