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Surveillance Cameras Used To Study Customer Behavior

An anonymous reader writes "Technology Review reports on a startup with software used by stores to track, count and log people captured by security cameras. Prism Skylab's technology can produce heatmaps showing where people went and produce other statistics that the company claims offer tracking and analytics like those used online for the real world. One use case is for businesses to correlate online promotions and deals — such as Groupon offers — with real world footfall and in-store behavior."

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  1. soon: citizens with rfid to be tracked by everyone by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    its not IF but WHEN.

    everyone who has an interest in 'tracking' will want to be able to ID people and know where they are.

    govs want this, businesses want this, 'law' enforcement wants this.

    the only people who don't are the people; and they have no power anymore in the western (or eastern!) countries.

    its been said each generation, but its true here: I fear or the world our kids are going to inherit. it does not sound at all like a world I want want. I can see where things are going. Do Not Want.

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  2. OLD OLD news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Target has been doing this for many years; in house. They have had software for years which spots people who move around like a shop lifter and many years before that they kept logs of the parking lot car plates so they could ID a crook from anywhere in the store by following them back to their car. This was not widely known either... now people probably assume the parking lot has cameras but back in the 90s not so much. BTW, they are interested in ID of people by their walking gate and I would be surprised if they weren't supporting such research along with the UK.

    Target also has one of the best computer forensics teams in the nation, way better than the FBI and they even do work for the government. All in house; if they didn't contract it out we'd probably not know about it.

    1. Re:OLD OLD news by drnb · · Score: 2

      And on a friendlier note I recall, years ago, seeing a system where shoppers were tracked in a large warehouse type store and if someone stood in one spot for "too long", presumable confused or undecided, a clerk was sent over to ask if they could answer any questions or help in some manner.

    2. Re:OLD OLD news by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 2

      Interesting. I was doing some Christmas shopping out of season, basically wandering around aimlessly. A security guard type walked from the employees only area straight to me, on the other side of the store, and asked me if I needed any help.

      I just looked at him and said, "No?" with a question mark, implying "And why do you ask?" The response was something like "Well if you need help with someone, you can ask me or anyone else out here."

      I said, "I used to work here, in this very store, you'd think I would know that." No reaction, just went back to looking at his clipboard and wandered back where he came from.

      I always wondered if I looked like a banned shopper, now I know I can't go to Target unless I know what I want already. Thanks.

    3. Re:OLD OLD news by PRMan · · Score: 2

      That sounds great! I would love that. Usually, they only bother me when I know what I want (half the time making me forget something I came in to get) and when I actually need something, they're nowhere to be found.

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  3. Re:An Idea... by jpwilliams · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess I better start behaving oddly all the time whenever I'm in a major city. Maybe that's why there are so many oddly-behaving people in major cities ...

  4. Re:soon: citizens with rfid to be tracked by every by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this story illustrates that the RFID is completely unnecessary.

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  5. The outrage... by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know with all the outrage Slashdot has with this type of stuff...
    You got to admit it is pretty cool use of computer science....

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    1. Re:The outrage... by mr1911 · · Score: 2

      You got to admit it is pretty cool use of computer science....

      I do not because it is not.

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    2. Re:The outrage... by quickgold192 · · Score: 2

      Well maybe if they titled it

      Using Video Cameras to Optimize Store Layouts

      but instead they used words like "tracking" and "surveillance. I think it's a really cool problem: creating software that uniquely identifies a person in your store and sees how they interact with your floorplan. It'd be even cooler if the software could generate a better floorplan using that information and made it easier for people to move about and naturally tend toward the places you'd like them to go. I know you hate being manipulated, but there's something exciting about seeing an iterative algorithm result in a subconsciousness change in human behavior.

    3. Re:The outrage... by scot4875 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You got to admit it is pretty cool use of computer science....

      No, we don't. I had the opportunity upon completion of my degree in computer science to go work for the NSA. I chose not to because I don't believe that's a "cool" use of my ability. Similarly, the work being done here is by people with dubious ethics.

      I suppose that you'd think that malware is a "cool" use of computer science as well because of all the work and research that goes into producing it?

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    4. Re:The outrage... by Talderas · · Score: 2

      Optimization, of course, means to place the most desired items in the back of the store while making the easiest paths to reach it pass by high velocity items to encourage impulse buying.

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  6. Are you ready for some Footfall? by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Football? What?, oh wait, misread. Someone tell me I'm not alone in that error.

    At the end of the day does this yield better results than counting sales at the close of business?
    More complicated results, perhaps, but after analyzing traffic patterns all day long studying dwell time at displays, does it really yield anything useful that the store owner can actually act upon, re-arranging the displays, etc?

    And if they do act on the data, it will almost certainly be to benefit one product area vs another. Will there be any net gain for the store as a whole?

    Won't wholesalers with clout demand the data and push hard for the best locations or shelving decisions? If you have data, you are going to be forced to share it sooner or later, and when everyone is rushing past the Laptop counters to get to the TV display area, is there anything short of re-arranging the store you can do about it? Won't Dell, HP, and Apple, insist on being on the high traffic routes? Didn't the store owner just lose control?

    And at the end of the day, is it different in any way from just tallying sales ?

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    1. Re:Are you ready for some Footfall? by RobertLTux · · Score: 2

      You have little to no idea of exactly how this data is sliced and diced.
      A lot of fashion type stores are completely reset each season just to correct for WHAT IS BEING BOUGHT NOW
      Tech type stores often times move entire sections just to fix traffic issues.

      You want to get a "featured item" type display in a store?? Your cost (on a per square foot) will vary according to where in the store you want to be placed You want to be in the first several feet of the store?? Near cash wrap (as an impulse item)?? expect to pay US$30-150 PER SQUARE FOOT PER STORE (and have to do so monthly)

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    2. Re:Are you ready for some Footfall? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2

      All this has been done for a long time. Why do you think grocery stores are laid out the way they are? Product boxes have specific colors?

      Yes, the big wholesalers can demand (and get) better shelf space. And the 'store owner' never had control to begin with. This is for big box chains. BestBuy/Target/OfficeMax dictate to the store manager where things go. Changed weekly, if necessary.

      And this data is aggregated over regions, not just 'a store'.
      "When the snow shovels are on the right of the store entrance, consumers in the Northeast region, during the months of November thru March, spend an aggregate 67 seconds per dollar looking at snow shovels and salt. When the display is on the left, consumers spend an additional 18 seconds per dollar spent on those same snow shovels."
      "Consumers in the Mid-Atlantic region spend 1/3 the time looking at snow shovels, but only convert 1/5th of that into sales."

      They are trying to maximize that last 0.10% of looking at something, into buying something.

      And the marketing people (software/hardware/facial recog) are selling them the snake oil to try to do it.

  7. Notice to all Slashdotters by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Hentai row in the comic book store isn't as private as you think it is.

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    1. Re:Notice to all Slashdotters by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yup, thank God that Amazon doesn't have any personally identifiable information about their customers and can't track their browsing or purchasing habits!

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  8. Not seeing a problem here. by Sir_Wulfrick · · Score: 2

    Doubtless there will be volumous FUD in relation to this technology, however I don't see there being a problem here. Consider a book shop. This technology could be utilised to provide the book shop with verifiable information regarding what the most popular categories of books are and thus enable them to make informed decisions about which departments / shelves / sections to expand and which they could safely contract. The end effect being that customers gain access to a greater variety of books concerning their favourite subject and the store is empowered to make the most efficient use of the space available to them. If it were possible to track and more significantly identify people via this technology then I'd agree that there would be privacy issues that ought to be dealt with prior to the system being used, however the linked article quite specifically mentions that scenario as being deliberately impossible.

  9. Re:Facial recognition? by PPH · · Score: 2

    So its time for a makeover.

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  10. Possible Abuse Pattern by roguegramma · · Score: 3, Insightful

    step 1: observe correlation: the more time people spend in your store, the more they buy

    step 2: optimize placement of stuff so that people stay longer in store

    step 3: profit!

    side effect: waste time of peoples' time.

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    1. Re:Possible Abuse Pattern by DriveDog · · Score: 2

      Young children years ago quickly learned to hide the park exit in Roller Coaster Tycoon for just this reason. Same with the water fountains and selling drinks, something I observe in almost every building where drinks are sold.

    2. Re:Possible Abuse Pattern by forkfail · · Score: 2

      You listed step 2. Now it'll never work. It's like having a 999,999:1 or a 1,000,001:1 chance - those never work either.

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  11. Re:Facial recognition? by nurb432 · · Score: 2

    If you *steel* a food, you have bigger issues.

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  12. As a marketer... by Picardo85 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a marketer I can tell you that we have been doing this in one way or the other for the last 50 years or so ... the only thing interesting here is that they're doing it with more advanced algorithms. This is stuff we had in the basic course of consumer behavior. The only real difference is that today you OFTEN do these studies in person instead of having computers to do it for you. Results and findings will most probably be the same from this as it is from regular observation studies.

    Besides, when doing observation studies the point is not to disturb consumers so they are usually done from a surveillance room or such to monitor consumers movements. Marketers are very seldom interested in individual interactions but when consumers do stand out from the norm it's good to have the possibility to interact with said consumer.

    I see this as a possible solution for very large shopping centers and their likes but I don't think there's anything special about this thing in particular.

  13. solution by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    Stay home. Buy online.

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  14. Re:soon: citizens with rfid to be tracked by every by Kozz · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think this story illustrates that the RFID is completely unnecessary.

    True story: a local tv news station was busy showing off their latest scare-piece on RFID technology some months ago. The anchor phonetically pronounced it "ar-fid". *head-shake*

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  15. cell phone tracking shoppers already done by peter303 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here. And the data is already in numerical form.

  16. Re:soon: citizens with rfid to be tracked by every by Dhalka226 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're complaining that he pronounced the acronym? That's a pretty common thing in English, at least in the last few decades.

    Unless you say L-A-S-E-R, N-A-T-O, A-I-D-S and S-C-U-B-A, among others--and though I don't know you, let me say I officially doubt it--then you're really just judging somebody over his decision on where to draw the line between acronyms that should be pronounced and those that should be spelled out. Frankly I have no problem with pronouncing any acronym that pronounces smoothly. (Yes, Slashdotters, I typically pronounce "SQL" -- run in abject horror!)

  17. Re:You've been brainwashed by dryriver · · Score: 2

    I don't live in the U.S., so I wouldn't know where to send people (e.g. bricks and mortar stores) to find this particular book. It isn't a huge bestseller, and thus probably not in stock everywhere. The Amazon link has a lot of info + customer reviews of the book, so I posted that. Feel free to buy (or not buy) this book wherever it is you shop for books.

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  18. Re:soon: citizens with rfid to be tracked by every by Kozz · · Score: 2

    Check out the difference between an acronym and an initialism. Do you also say "YOO-suh" (USA) or "SEE-oh" (CEO)? The examples you gave are easily (and obviously) pronounced, and most style guides will say that you can spell them with lower case letters.

    I've got an aunt who used to work in sales for Oracle. She also pronounced "SQL", which baffled me, because I thought the "sequel" pronunciation was reserved for the Microsoft product. And yes, I shall now run in abject horror.

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  19. Re:soon: citizens with rfid to be tracked by every by pulski · · Score: 2

    Like a movie, sequel.