1st Video of Moon's Far Side

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Posted by timothy on Thursday February 2, 2012 @04:20AM from the obviously-faked dept.

chill writes "A gravity-mapping spacecraft orbiting the moon has beamed home its first video of the lunar far side — a view people on Earth never see. Because the moon is tidally locked with Earth, it only presents one face to the planet's surface (the near side). The side of the moon that faces away from Earth is the far side. Only robotic spacecraft and Apollo astronauts who orbited the moon in the 1960s and 1970s have seen the far side of the moon directly."

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Dark Side by Dave+Whiteside · 2012-02-02 04:24 · Score: 2, Funny

What gives ? it's not dark - or is that because of some jedi mind trick ... [seriously cool though]

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1. Re:Dark Side by FreeBSDbigot · 2012-02-02 04:31 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Just in case you're not joking -- there is no dark side of the moon. At least, no permanent one -- of course, one side is dark at any moment, but it's constantly changing. The moon only presents one side to us earthlings, but all sides to the sun.
  
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2. Re:Dark Side by rubycodez · 2012-02-02 04:33 · Score: 1, Informative
  
  9. Concealed or secret; mysterious -- from the free dictionary http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dark
3. Re:Dark Side by Anonymous Coward · 2012-02-02 04:40 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  There is no far side of the moon, really... as a matter of fact, it's ALL far.
4. Re:Dark Side by Score+Whore · 2012-02-02 04:53 · Score: 1, Informative
  
  True. The proper and clear way to phrase it is: The farther side of the moon as measured in a geocentric coordinate system.
5. Re:Dark Side by Kenja · 2012-02-02 04:59 · Score: 1
  
  I was hopping it was going to be a giant butt crack. Ah well.
  
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6. Re:Dark Side by MBGMorden · 2012-02-02 05:05 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Um, not it actually looks quite different. The lunar maria (the dark spots) are much less common. Reason being that those were formed by lava flows on the surface, and you can imagine that if there's molten rock inside, it would be pulled (as expected) towards a big nearby gravity well - Earth in this case.
  
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7. Re:Dark Side by Anonymous Coward · 2012-02-02 05:13 · Score: 1
  
  There is no moon...
  -smacks forehead-
  Whoa. Spoon.
8. Re:Dark Side by radtea · 2012-02-02 05:58 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  Reason being that those were formed by lava flows on the surface, and you can imagine that if there's molten rock inside, it would be pulled (as expected) towards a big nearby gravity well - Earth in this case.
  The difference in surface character on the two faces of the Moon are still a matter of considerable debate, and this particular just-so story--like so much that "just makes sense"--is completely false. References can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_mare
  There was recent work published suggesting the difference in hemispheres could be due to a late, large, low-velocity impact event that happened shortly after the lunar formation impact on Earth.
  The biggest single lesson from the past 300 years of scientific discovery is that if something "just makes sense" to brains whose evolution has been driven primarily by the social processes of mate competition and mate selection then it is probably wrong. An educated person when presented with an explanation that has intuitive appeal will treat it with well-deserved suspicion until they have seen it publicly tested by systematic observation or controlled experiment (that is, scientifically validated) and not glibly repeat it as if it were knowledge rather than speculation.
  
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9. Re:Dark Side by instagib · 2012-02-02 06:01 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  I just heard the refraction of light as it WHOOSHES through a prism...
10. Re:Dark Side by drerwk · 2012-02-02 06:45 · Score: 1
  
  ...and you can imagine that if there's molten rock inside, it would be pulled (as expected) towards a big nearby gravity well - Earth in this case.
  You could imagine that, but from a physical reality point of view you would be quite wrong.
  Consider the tides of Earths oceans. By your argument the whole ocean would slosh towards the Sun, including on the far side of the Earth. Please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Field_tidal.png
11. Re:Dark Side by Anonymous Coward · 2012-02-02 06:50 · Score: 1
  
  The biggest single lesson from the past 300 years of scientific discovery is that if something "just makes sense" to brains whose evolution has been driven primarily by the social processes of mate competition and mate selection then it is probably wrong. An educated person when presented with an explanation that has intuitive appeal will treat it with well-deserved suspicion until they have seen it publicly tested by systematic observation or controlled experiment (that is, scientifically validated) and not glibly repeat it as if it were knowledge rather than speculation.
  Perhaps it was your own desire to impress potential mates that led you to dedicate more of your post to tut-ting the GP rather than dealing with the topic at hand.
12. Re:Dark Side by Phoghat · 2012-02-02 09:03 · Score: 1
  
  Not only is it not dark, I think I can see Syd Barrett.
  
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13. Re:Dark Side by Golddess · 2012-02-02 10:01 · Score: 1
  
  Need to go to Mars for that.
  
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14. Re:Dark Side by treeves · 2012-02-02 11:55 · Score: 1
  
  I thought it had more do with the fact that in order for stuff to hit the "near side" it'd have to pass close by the Earth, making it less likely than hitting the "far side".
  
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15. Re:Dark Side by Setsquare · 2012-02-02 12:05 · Score: 1
  
  there is no dark side of the moon. At least, no permanent one -- of course, one side is dark at any moment,
  You're not taking Earthlight into consideration. Midnight (moon time) on the near side always has a full Earth brightening things up. Midnight on the far side is extremely Dark.
Secret Alien Moonbase by El+Torico · 2012-02-02 04:25 · Score: 1

They must have cloaked it!

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Clearly a fake by TheGreatOrangePeel · 2012-02-02 04:25 · Score: 4, Funny

The video is clearly a fake. It didn't say, "mystery science theater 3000" ANYWHERE on the surface and I think we all know how largely it's written.
1. Re:Clearly a fake by davewoods · 2012-02-02 07:01 · Score: 1
  
  :) This made me smile. I like your version much better.
Dark Side of the Moon by bigredradio · 2012-02-02 04:28 · Score: 4, Funny

There's no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark.

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1. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by rubycodez · 2012-02-02 04:31 · Score: 1
  
  oh? when the sun is high up it's brighter than anywhere on earth.
2. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by north.coaster · 2012-02-02 04:44 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Looks like you never listened to Pink Floyd.
3. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by Sockatume · 2012-02-02 04:55 · Score: 2
  
  It receives more light, but it's actually a relatively dark grey colour so it's not very bright to look at. It seems bright at night, of course, but that's just because it's sunlit and everything around you isn't.
  
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4. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by Hatta · 2012-02-02 05:13 · Score: 2
  
  What wavelength is dark grey light?
  
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5. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by cayenne8 · 2012-02-02 05:30 · Score: 1
  
  "I dunno...I was really drunk at the time..."
  
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6. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by mspohr · 2012-02-02 05:31 · Score: 2
  
  All that you touch
  And all that you see
  All that you taste
  All you feel
  And all that you love
  And all that you hate
  All you distrust
  All you save
  And all that you give
  And all that you deal
  And all that you buy Beg, borrow or steal
  And all you create
  And all you destroy
  And all that you do
  And all that you say
  And all that you eat
  And everyone you meet
  And all that you slight
  And everyone you fight
  And all that is now
  And all that is gone
  And all that's to come
  And everything under the sun is in tune
  But the sun is eclipsed by the moon
  "There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark."
  
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7. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by camperdave · 2012-02-02 05:39 · Score: 2
  
  Pink Floyd knows nothing about selenology.
  
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8. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by rubycodez · 2012-02-02 05:48 · Score: 1
  
  so you claim you are in darkness if you stand on a black topped parking lot in the Florida Keys at high noon on July? that's an interesting point of view. I said the Sun was brighter, lots of light there at high noon on the moon.
9. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by Sockatume · 2012-02-02 05:50 · Score: 1
  
  It doesn't have one. The mixture of wavelengths isn't even well-defined. It's any light with a spectrum that more-or-less evenly activates the different photoreceptors in the eye. And being "dark grey" it's of low intensity.
  
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10. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by Sockatume · 2012-02-02 05:52 · Score: 1
  
  And I'm trying to avoid any confusion for people who interpret the word "bright" as appearing bright versus being well-illuminated.
  
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11. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by Hatta · 2012-02-02 06:01 · Score: 1
  
  So it's white light.
  
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12. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by houghi · 2012-02-02 06:33 · Score: 1
  
  I am sure Pink Floyd will now sue them for all that they have over copyright infringement.
  
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13. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by davewoods · 2012-02-02 07:02 · Score: 1
  
  The same as regular old fashioned white light, but the contrast is just turned down a fair bit.
14. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by dudpixel · 2012-02-02 14:58 · Score: 1
  
  er, one could claim that the black topped parking lot is "dark".
  No one is claiming that it would be dark if you were standing on the moon, just that the moon itself, is a "dark" colour...
  
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15. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by Sockatume · 2012-02-02 21:43 · Score: 1
  
  We have this thing called "luminance" that often distinguishes one colour from another.
  
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16. Re:Dark Side of the Moon by swalve · 2012-02-03 04:36 · Score: 1
  
  Grey isn't a color, it's an intensity.
Disappointed by Rik+Sweeney · 2012-02-02 04:31 · Score: 4, Funny

No hidden Nazis, Communist strike force, or Transformers.

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1. Re:Disappointed by decipher_saint · 2012-02-02 04:58 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  That's no space station. It's a moon!
  
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2. Re:Disappointed by El+Torico · 2012-02-02 05:40 · Score: 1
  
  The funniest part of that post is that it's modded 2 - informative currently.
  
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3. Re:Disappointed by treeves · 2012-02-02 12:00 · Score: 1
  
  Hi, Gary. Been back to Pullman lately?
  
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Toto... by ari_j · 2012-02-02 04:32 · Score: 3, Insightful

I don't think we're in Kansas anymore.
1. Re:Toto... by zerosomething · 2012-02-02 05:40 · Score: 1
  
  You dolt! You missed a perfectly good opportunity to comment on the Pink Floyd references to make a very cool obscure reference less obscure. I got it though, good work, you do know what I'm talking about don't you...
  
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2. Re:Toto... by ari_j · 2012-02-02 06:57 · Score: 1
  
  Wouldn't it be funnier if I didn't?
Not first Video of the far side of the moon by wisebabo · 2012-02-02 04:33 · Score: 5, Informative

Actually I'm almost positive that this is not the first video of the far side of the moon (and certainly not the first images, that was done by some Russian probe back in the 60s I think).
Not only did the aforementioned Apollo astronauts take moving images (ok, maybe not technically video) of the far side during their orbits but I recall that even the recent Japanese or Chinese lunar probes were transmitting hi-def videos including (I think) a beautiful "earth-rise". Which by definition means they had to be imaging at least part of the far side.
No, this is just the first video of the far side from GRAIL (which is pretty awesome regardless). Now there is a chance that due to the fact that GRAIL entails TWO spacecraft that one could be acting as a relay which would make this the first LIVE video from the far side. But considering the small separation distance of them (less than 100km?) I doubt it.
1. Re:Not first Video of the far side of the moon by ModernGeek · 2012-02-02 04:38 · Score: 1
  
  You are completely right. I have seen the videos from the Apollo program that show the far side in great detail. The far side is well mapped. This is barely news. Now maybe once we get the gravity maps and figure out where all the water is for our future moon bases, we will have some good data that's worth something.
  
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2. Re:Not first Video of the far side of the moon by steamraven · 2012-02-02 04:49 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  From the mission page:
  
  NASA's GRAIL mission has beamed back its first video of the far side of the moon. The imagery was taken on Jan. 19 by the MoonKAM aboard the mission's "Ebb" spacecraft.
  
  http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/grail/news/grail20120201.html (Emphasis added)
3. Re:Not first Video of the far side of the moon by Paracelcus · 2012-02-02 05:01 · Score: 1
  
  Yup, I remember the famous "earth rise" video taken in the early 70's by one of the Apollo missions!
  
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4. Re:Not first Video of the far side of the moon by Squidlips · 2012-02-02 06:13 · Score: 1
  
  The cameras on GRAIL were an afterthought; they are dinky, cell-phone-grade cameras so we should not be too picky. Photography was not its primary mission...
5. Re:Not first Video of the far side of the moon by instagib · 2012-02-02 06:14 · Score: 1
  
  Especially the crap "video". It actually looks like taken during the 60s, recorded to VHS from TV, transferred to another VHS tape, and then converted to digital by filming it from an old TV with a 10 year old point-and-shoot camera.
6. Re:Not first Video of the far side of the moon by wisebabo · 2012-02-02 07:32 · Score: 1
  
  When you see the earth coming up over the (lunar) horizon, the part of the moon your are seeing BELOW you is the far side because you cannot see the earth from it. (True, it is awfully close to the near side being on the "border" as it is.)
7. Re:Not first Video of the far side of the moon by saveferrousoxide · 2012-02-02 08:43 · Score: 1
  
  nope, sorry, i agree w/ AC. if you can see the earth from the moon, the earth can see you on the moon. i suppose there is some tiny ribbon of the moon where your tripod's feet are not visible, but the camera is, but it's not likely any of the "far" side of the moon would be visible in the shot.
8. Re:Not first Video of the far side of the moon by KingofSpades · 2012-02-02 09:08 · Score: 1
  
  Today, cell phones record in HD.
  Come one, you're sending a probe to the moon and you can't afford an HD camera ? This is nuts !
9. Re:Not first Video of the far side of the moon by mbkennel · 2012-02-02 10:10 · Score: 1
  
  I know the iPhone is the shiznit and all but will its camera withstand cosmic rays, van allen belts, vibration and hot-cold temperature cycles of 200 degrees C, with a probability of failure of less than 1% over a year?
10. Re:Not first Video of the far side of the moon by hal2814 · 2012-02-02 16:57 · Score: 1
  
  So they put an OtterBox on the iPhone. Big deal.
Now we'll know... by dr_dank · 2012-02-02 04:35 · Score: 2

Now we'll know exactly when to start the Wizard of Oz.

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1. Re:Now we'll know... by N3Bruce · 2012-02-02 09:48 · Score: 1
  
  When the Lion roars for the third time.
  NASA needs to do a story about Jupiter and monoliths now.
2. Re:Now we'll know... by N3Bruce · 2012-02-02 09:49 · Score: 1
  
  That is, hit Play on your music source when the lion roars for the third time.
Parallel Universe... by omganton · 2012-02-02 04:35 · Score: 1

Somewhere, in a parallel universe where intellectuals run the world, this would be mainstream news. Everybody on Earth looks at the same side of the moon day in and day out... I find this video to be awe inspiring. Oh well.
The Far side... by madhatter256 · 2012-02-02 04:36 · Score: 1

Sorry, you caught me with my pants down, NASA...

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Re:Crater witih + sign by Rik+Sweeney · 2012-02-02 04:41 · Score: 3, Funny

Whats the crater on the bottom right with the PLUS + sign thing in it?
Bloody hell, Google's taking the social networking war to the next level.

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Avoid space.com by sirdude · 2012-02-02 04:41 · Score: 5, Insightful
Could everybody avoid posting links to articles on space.com? They never cite or link to sources and go overboard with interstitial, pop-up and video ads.
Links:
1. Re:Avoid space.com by Anne_Nonymous · 2012-02-02 05:53 · Score: 2
  
  >> interstitial
  Its spelled interstellar.
2. Re:Avoid space.com by Ectospheno · 2012-02-02 06:06 · Score: 1
  
  http://adblockplus.org/en/
  I don't see a single ad on space.com. But yes, the never citing sources thing is annoying.
3. Re:Avoid space.com by TheSpoom · 2012-02-02 06:30 · Score: 1
  
  Uh... what?
  
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4. Re:Avoid space.com by TheSpoom · 2012-02-02 22:39 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, I thought it could be an attempt at a joke, but didn't seem funny enough to be one.
  
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No Nazi's? by Lectoid · 2012-02-02 04:45 · Score: 1

I was told in a documentary called Iron Sky that there was a Nazi base on the other side of the moon.

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No house! by allcoolnameswheretak · 2012-02-02 04:45 · Score: 2

In German if someone is kinda ignorant, dumb, or stupid, they are often described as "living behind the moon."
People tend to say that to me often. Now that I have a video of the far side of the moon, finally I will be able to prove to all the idiots that they were WRONG!
prior art by Trepidity · 2012-02-02 04:49 · Score: 2

From 2007 on YouTube, here is a video. Low-res, admittedly.

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Noob Question by OopsIDied · 2012-02-02 04:51 · Score: 5, Interesting

I always wondered, are the speeds of rotation of the moon and Earth so perfectly synced that even after a long time the same side of the moon is facing us? I'd think there might be at least a little speed difference that over the years would cause our view of the moon to shift.
1. Re:Noob Question by Anonymous Coward · 2012-02-02 04:57 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Yes, they are. Also, gravity (via tidal forces) ensures this will be case in the future as well, having caused it in the first place.
2. Re:Noob Question by Anonymous Coward · 2012-02-02 05:00 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  We're tidally locked which means at this point it's most stable for the moon to always face us. If something caused the moon to speed up its rotation a little bit, for instance, tidal locking would force it to slow back down to get back perfectly in sync with Earth. Earth is headed down the same path. I can't remember how many millions or billions of years it'll take, but eventually the Moon will slow down Earth's rotation and Earth will be tidally locked to the Moon, such that the same side of Earth will always be towards the Moon.
3. Re:Noob Question by StormShaman · 2012-02-02 17:51 · Score: 1
  
  Because of libration, we can, over time, see more than 50% of the moon from Earth. But billions of years from now, not only will the moon still be locked with the Earth, but the Earth will be locked with the moon. By then it will have been engulfed by the sun, anyway.
4. Re:Noob Question by fuzzywig · 2012-02-02 21:10 · Score: 1
  
  The really weird thing is that the apparent size of the moon from the surface of the earth, is almost exactly the same as the apparent size of the sun. Hence why, during eclipses, the moon fits perfectly 'over' the sun.
  As far as I know this is just luck that we're at the point in time when this is true (the moon is getting very slowly closer).
Cool by eternaldoctorwho · 2012-02-02 04:55 · Score: 3, Interesting

There are a klot of joking posts here, but I think this really is a cool thing. Maybe I'm biased because I just finished reading Jules Verne's Around the Moon last night. We've certainly come a long way in understanding our nearest neighbor. In the book, it was hypothesized that the far side of the moon had retained an atmosphere and thus possibly supported life. Also, the craters were all thought to be volcanic in origin, but hey, Verne did a pretty good job all-in-all. Just about 100 years later, we did an actual moon fly-by similar to what he has described (only in Apollo's case, it was intentional). Modern day sci-fi writers can learn a thing or two from the greats of the past.
first! by globalist · 2012-02-02 05:00 · Score: 1

Just because it's the first video of the "far side", does it have to be all grainy and short and low-res?
Grrr. First by me doesn't mean first. by mbone · 2012-02-02 05:05 · Score: 4, Informative

Here is a Clue : It's Grail's first video, not anything like the first video.
Never mind Luna 3 in 1959 (which was stills). Never mind Lunar Orbiter (stills) and Apollo (movies). Never mind that Clementine mapped the whole of the Far Side over a decade ago. What about Selene ? It had an HD camera, and sent back video of far side, including cool shots like this one, of Malapert Mt and Shackleton Crater, at the Lunar South Pole, or this video of Tsiolkovsky Crater, deep into the Far Side. These videos are cool, and worth spending some time with.
Re:Near & Far by sirdude · 2012-02-02 05:16 · Score: 1

Thousands of fourth- to eighth-grade students will select target areas on the lunar surface and send requests to the GRAIL MoonKAM Mission Operations Center in San Diego. Photos of the target areas will be sent back by the satellites for students to study. The MoonKAM program is led by Sally Ride, America's first woman in space. Her team at Sally Ride Science and undergraduate students at the University of California in San Diego will engage middle schools across the country in the GRAIL mission and lunar exploration. GRAIL is NASA's first planetary mission carrying instruments fully dedicated to education and public outreach.
"We have had great response from schools around the country; more than 2,500 signed up to participate so far," Ride said. "In mid-March, the first pictures of the moon will be taken by students using MoonKAM. I expect this will excite many students about possible careers in science and engineering."

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Re:Near & Far by Hatta · 2012-02-02 05:20 · Score: 1

Thanks Grover.

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Obviously fake... by AmbushBug · 2012-02-02 05:44 · Score: 1

So obviously fake! I mean, if it were real we'd be able to see the crash site of the Transformer space ship! Yet another NASA cover-up...
Tidal Lock? by ArmchairGeneral · 2012-02-02 06:03 · Score: 1

Can someone explain why it is referred to as tidal locking? I understand the physics, but the name seems like an odd choice.
1. Re:Tidal Lock? by osu-neko · 2012-02-02 06:12 · Score: 2
  
  Can someone explain why it is referred to as tidal locking? I understand the physics, but the name seems like an odd choice.
  My first temptation is to explain the physics, but you claim to already understand that. But if that were the case, you would already understand the answer to your question, too. So I'm confused about what you're actually asking. I'll simply refer you here: Tidal locking. Once you understand what tidal locking is and how it occurs, why it's called that should be completely obvious.
  
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1973 Video of Dark Side of the Moon by theodp · 2012-02-02 07:05 · Score: 1

Pink Floyd - 1973 - Dark Side Of The Moon
central uplift by White+Yeti · 2012-02-02 07:21 · Score: 1

The peak in the center of crater Drygalski is an "uplift", which is common in craters. The Wikipedia page on impact craters describes this briefly and has other nice images. These LPI lunar maps helped me identify the crater itself.
Forget about mating; study science instead! by mevets · 2012-02-02 07:39 · Score: 1

Considering this text, I can't imagine why the interest in science education is waning...
Re:Pink Floyd by mbkennel · 2012-02-02 10:12 · Score: 3, Funny

Chewie I've got a bad feeling about this.
Re:Near & Far by rust627 · 2012-02-02 18:38 · Score: 1

What does Gary Larson have to say about this ?

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