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Apple Clarifies iBooks Author Licensing

bonch writes "After drawing criticism over iBooks Author's licensing language, Apple has modified it in a software update to make clear that Apple is claiming rights to the .ibook format itself and not the content therein: '[The license restriction] does not apply to the content of such works when distributed in a form that does not include files in the .ibooks format.' In other words, the content may be sold on competing book stores as long as it is not packaged using iBooks Author."

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  1. Which was always obvious. by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hands up all those people who didn't already realise that's what it meant.

    1. Re:Which was always obvious. by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hands up all those people who didn't already realise that's what it meant.

      I thought they were laying a trap so the next time an author republished the work Apple could sue them. /sarcasm

    2. Re:Which was always obvious. by DogDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ambiguity, when it comes to working with a litigious company, is not a good thing.

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    3. Re:Which was always obvious. by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What one knows it means and what one claims it means are two different things. The "Apple hates us for our freedom" crowd never really cared what was meant, it was just another club to troll with.

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    4. Re:Which was always obvious. by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      Of course it was obvious, but some people are always on the lookout for things to get upset about. It feels good to be angry, and it makes people listen to them.

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    5. Re:Which was always obvious. by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      It was perfectly obvious, and I think Apple is just trying to divert people's attention by clouding the issue.

    6. Re:Which was always obvious. by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

      As opposed to all those big-name companies that never file lawsuits. For example,

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    7. Re:Which was always obvious. by bhagwad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's still ridiculous. Imagine if the EULA of an IDE like Eclipse were to demand that any programs compiled using it have to give a cut to the creators of Eclipse!

      I'm not saying it's illegal. It's just that Apple is a jerk for doing it.

    8. Re:Which was always obvious. by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple doesn't want to provide a free tool to be used for producing ebooks on competing platforms. I fail to see how that's being a "jerk". It's called running a business.

      Don't like it? Don't use iBooks Author.

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    9. Re:Which was always obvious. by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Unfortunately, that crowd has practically taken over and turned this place into a constant Apple hatefest. Can you believe that you actually used to be able to praise Apple for something and not get modded down? The nerve of praising one of the most influential tech companies in the world!

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    10. Re:Which was always obvious. by ideonexus · · Score: 1

      It means: We don't own the message. We own the medium.

      Imagine if Microsoft said "We don't own the content of your document, but if we find any of your *.docx files being offered anywhere other than approved Microsoft partner's shop, we will sue you into the ground."

      Somehow we're not supposed to still be outraged over this?

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    11. Re:Which was always obvious. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Why on earth should Apple spend significant amounts of money to develop a free tool which could be used by suppliers of competitors?

      They invested a significant amount of money in it. They aren't charging for it. So it's only sensible that they get the advantage of it, and not their competitors.

      Businesses are not charities.

    12. Re:Which was always obvious. by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Why would you be outraged? Why would you even care? If you don't like it, just don't use iBooks Author.

      The sense of entitlement in tech communities is what's actually outrageous.

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    13. Re:Which was always obvious. by snowgirl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ambiguity, when it comes to working with a litigious company, is not a good thing.

      Ambiguity, when dealing with a boilerplate contract, is always interpreted as strictly against the drafting party as possible...

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    14. Re:Which was always obvious. by migla · · Score: 0, Troll

      Apple doesn't want to provide a free tool to be used for producing ebooks on competing platforms. I fail to see how that's being a "jerk". It's called running a business.

      "Jerk" doesn't quite cover it. I believe terms such as "evil" and "monopolistic" should also be applied.

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    15. Re:Which was always obvious. by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imagine if Microsoft said "We don't own the content of your document, but if we find any of your *.docx files being offered anywhere other than approved Microsoft partner's shop, we will sue you into the ground."

      Microsoft charges for Word. A general purpose word processing program. They sell it for all the things that WPs are expected to do. Create word processor files, print then and/or share them freely. If they didn't, no one would buy it.

      Apple doesn't charge for iBooks Author. It's a specific tool for preparing eBooks for the iBooks store from source content files. It could have been implemented as a web-app on the author section of their iBooks Store. But a native app means they can make it better and give it more features.

      You can imagine anything you like, but the two are not equivalent.

    16. Re:Which was always obvious. by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Somehow we're not supposed to still be outraged over this?

      I'll compare two products: iBooks Author and Microsoft Office, Home Edition.

      iBooks Author: It is free. The restriction is that documents in the native iBook format, created with iBooks Author, may not be sold for money except through Apple. Microsoft Office, Home Edition: It costs real money. The restriction is that no commercial use of the software is allowed.

      Let's compare the licenses: iBooks Author is free, and it disallows one specific commercial use of the software: Selling documents in iBook format, created with iBooks Author, without going through Apple. Many other commercial uses are allowed, and so are all non-commercial uses. Microsoft Office, Home Edition: The software costs money, and it disallows _all_ commercial use of the software. So it is more expensive, and more restrictive.

      Where were the complaints about Microsoft Office, Home Edition?

    17. Re:Which was always obvious. by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Jerk" doesn't quite cover it. I believe terms such as "evil" and "monopolistic" should also be applied.

      Please explain in what way anyone is worse off now than the day before iBooks Author was released. In the absence of a compelling answer, how on earth does the word "evil" apply? It's ignorance of the first order.

    18. Re:Which was always obvious. by migla · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that's the way it works in practise? Not saying it isn't, and hoping that it is, but I thought your justice system was completely wack, in practise.

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    19. Re:Which was always obvious. by bhagwad · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why on earth should Apple spend significant amounts of money to develop a free tool...

      Because that's what "nice" companies do. And I like doing business with "nice" companies. Google for example makes my life easier for free with great tools and so I don't mind buying from them when I have to.

      Since Apple isn't a "nice" company, I avoid doing business with them. Simple.

    20. Re:Which was always obvious. by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      Imagine if Microsoft said "here's a cheap student version of visual studio. But if you want to develop commercial applications with it, you need to buy the more expensive version." You don't have to imagine since they used to do that.

      Ok, imagine if the FSF said "here's a FREE yacc replacement. We call it bison. Oh yeah, but if you use it, your output will be GPL". You don't have to imagine since they used to do that.

      Ok, let's imagine Microsoft did as you said. Well, I wouldn't use .docx files. So if it bothers you, don't use .ibook files.

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    21. Re:Which was always obvious. by migla · · Score: 1

      ...eh, by "your" I mean "the american", and by "america" I mean the US.

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    22. Re:Which was always obvious. by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      But then they make it next to impossible to get something on the iBookStore anyway. As it is, they still only accept big names and tell everyone else to go jump and sign up with an "aggregator" like Ingram (who likely takes another 30% or more). So really, they weren't going to sign you up anyway so what benefit do they gain by preventing you using the output with other publishers?

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    23. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google has an incredible track record so far.

    24. Re:Which was always obvious. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      There is decent business sense in that as well. If they create the best eBook authoring tool, they have the best store, and best readers, they would be making money all around. That others might make money is inconsequential. They have magical products end to end, so it still provides them a lot of income, possibly more since it could make iBooks author the de facto standard. Of course, that would rely on them actually having and continuing to have the best end to end.

      That's pretty much the entire idea behind open standards, and ibooks is at least partially based on such a standard.

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    25. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course it was obvious, but some people are always on the lookout for things to get upset about. It feels good to be angry, and it makes people listen to them.

      Other things that get on my nerves are genocide and tyranny. And to a lesser extent corporate lackeys.

    26. Re:Which was always obvious. by migla · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, one values Freedom(tm) or Openness(tm) or TheRightThingToDo(tm).

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    27. Re:Which was always obvious. by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      It's still ridiculous. Imagine if the EULA of an IDE like Eclipse were to demand that any programs compiled using it have to give a cut to the creators of Eclipse!

      Metrowerks Codewarrior, in its time the leading IDE for Mac software development. There was a commercial edition, and a student edition. Student edition was free (as in free beer), with the restriction that no commercial use was allowed. FAQ: "What if I created software with the free version and someone wants to buy it? " Answer: "Buy the commercial edition and compile the code again". Are you saying Metrowerks were jerks? Thousands of students will strongly disagree with you.

    28. Re:Which was always obvious. by Karlt1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      But then they make it next to impossible to get something on the iBookStore anyway

      http://www.macnews.com/2010/08/10/gregs-bite-how-publish-apple-ibook

      Book content requirements: ISBNs for all titles you intend to distribute. You must be able to deliver your book content in EPUB format, passing EpubCheck 1.0.5.
      Financial requirements: A US tax ID, a valid iTunes Store account, with a credit card on file. .....

      You must have an ISBN number issued for your book and you should reserve the title (see #1 and #2 below). Getting a bar code might also be a good idea. You must have a unique ISBN number for each book you post to the iBooks store. If you look at the jacket on any book, you will notice a ISBN number. It costs 25 for each ISBN number for each book. That unique number identifies your book in a giant data base along with the author's name, date of being published, title etc. You apply for a ISBN number at the following URL: http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/isbn/us/application.asp .

      You can get a book title registered to prevent confusion by having an identical title with another book by going to: http://www.bowkerlink.com/corrections/common/home.asp . This is free.

      You may also get a special bar code from the same web site at the following link: http://www.bowkerbarcode.com/barcode/ .

    29. Re:Which was always obvious. by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 0, Troll

      Their child company Motorola, on the other hand...

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    30. Re:Which was always obvious. by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Informative

      Google has an incredible track record so far.

      Their child company Motorola, on the other hand...

      Motorola isn't a Google child company. Motorola Mobility is a company which Google has agreed to purchase from Motorola, but the purchase has not yet been completed.

    31. Re:Which was always obvious. by snowgirl · · Score: 3, Informative

      Are you saying that's the way it works in practise? Not saying it isn't, and hoping that it is, but I thought your justice system was completely wack, in practise.

      Yes, this is the way it works in practice in US Common Law.

      US law might be whacked, but it's still not really any more whacked than UK law. I mean, at least here the truth is an absolute defense to defamation.

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    32. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When you're dealing with a company that tried to patent the shape of a rectangle, and whose main business strategy is "rebrand old technology then say we invented it" you would be stupid to ignore such a thing.

    33. Re:Which was always obvious. by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because that's what "nice" companies do.

      No it's not. Companies act to make a profit. Not to be nice. All that differs is their business model for making money out of their activities.

      Google for example makes my life easier for free with great tools and so I don't mind buying from them when I have to.

      They just have a different business model. They make their money on advertising. That's why they provide those tools. Not because they are nice.

      BTW, there's no Santa Claus either. Sorry about that.

    34. Re:Which was always obvious. by Abreu · · Score: 1

      Why would you be outraged? Why would you even care? If you don't like it, just don't use iBooks Author.

      The sense of entitlement in tech communities is what's actually outrageous.

      Exactly. I won't use it. And I will discourage all of my friends from using it.

      There. Any other questions?

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    35. Re:Which was always obvious. by migla · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Upon further pondering, arbitrary logic in court would be too outrageous. The injustice lies at a more abstract level. Also, I seem to not have spellchecking in my browser.

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    36. Re:Which was always obvious. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      There is decent business sense in that as well. If they create the best eBook authoring tool, they have the best store, and best readers, they would be making money all around.

      How would that money be increased by letting other ebook stores benefit from their app?

      They have magical products end to end, so it still provides them a lot of income, possibly more since it could make iBooks author the de facto standard.

      To turn that into a profit would require charging for iBooks Author. And iBook tools is such a small niche, income from selling it would be irrelevant compared to actually selling ebooks.

      Of course, that would rely on them actually having and continuing to have the best end to end.

      They do have the best because they left the old standard behind.

      That's pretty much the entire idea behind open standards, and ibooks is at least partially based on such a standard.

      The point of open standards is it benefits those who need easy compatibility between systems of different organisations. Having made the best authoring tool, and having their own successful ebook store, they don't need compatibility with any other organisation at the ebook format level.

    37. Re:Which was always obvious. by 4phun · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't want to provide a free tool to be used for producing ebooks on competing platforms. I fail to see how that's being a "jerk". It's called running a business.

      "Jerk" doesn't quite cover it. I believe terms such as "evil" and "monopolistic" should also be applied.

      Now can you begin to have insight on how the European union views Google's change to their 'user agreement' for all Google products. The EU flatly told Google that it isn't going to happen with out a review by all the governments in Europe who may completely reject Google's new terms as evil and monopolistic.

      It is easy to say but can they prove it?

      If they can, Android and Google are in a world of trouble, far more than the simple problem just solved by Apple over the Apple freeware iBooks Author. It is one thing to have a handful of Geeks mad at you but to have the all the governments turn on you in mass is another issue that is very serious.

      Even the USA is getting involved since US laws have serious issues like the HIPPA violations that will occur on and after March 1 from a simple Google medical search tied to a user's ID
      http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2012/02/rep-bono-mack-reports-on-closed-door-google-briefing-/1

      Google stepped into some very deep dung without thinking through that announcement of new mandatory user agreements beginning March 1.

    38. Re:Which was always obvious. by Lumpy · · Score: 0

      You mean like the Microsoft IDE?

      Go ahead and read that things EULA, Oh and you cant write anything that is anti microsoft with MS word. That is in their EULA for Office.

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    39. Re:Which was always obvious. by bhagwad · · Score: 2

      Sorry, a person is nice by their actions in totality. I like doing business with Google and I trust Google because they're nice. So "nice" IS a viable business model if it gains the trust of your customers.

    40. Re:Which was always obvious. by whisper_jeff · · Score: 0

      There was nothing ambiguous about it. At all. It was obvious.

    41. Re:Which was always obvious. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Well of course, we inherited this whacked Common Law system from those morons. We should have given them the finger in yet another way back in 1776 and adopted French Civil Code (or whatever the French were using at the time, as Napoleon hadn't quite come along yet to make his revisions). The idea of a court system where the judges and the lawyers are two entirely separate professions, going to two separate schools, makes a lot of sense when you see the shenanigans going on in the US legal system.

    42. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple doesn't charge for iBooks Author.

      Yep. That explains why I'm not allowed to use the output from LibreOffice or AbiWord without their express written permission.

      Or that when Netscape released Netscape Communicator for free back in the '90s, they wanted money from any website made using the built-in HTML editor.

      No, wait. None of that is true.

      This is just because Apple are controlling assholes.

    43. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That wouldn't be unprecedented. Numerous free web hosting services and some other types (youtube type things etc.) had clauses in their terms of service that using their service involved relinquishing your copyright to anything you'd put up in their service. Apple's greedy enough that they would concievably do that.

    44. Re:Which was always obvious. by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, a person is nice by their actions in totality. I like doing business with Google and I trust Google because they're nice. So "nice" IS a viable business model if it gains the trust of your customers.

      You like doing business with Google. Lots of people like doing business with Apple. So what?

      "Nice" isn't a business model. It's hardly even a worthwhile adjective.

    45. Re:Which was always obvious. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Simple: because making the tool free and pushing it to become the de-facto standard means more people will use the Apple book store (or whatever they're calling it), and they'll make more money on ebook sales. Keeping all locked up will make people (esp. authors) just go to Kindle instead.

      Making it harder or more expensive for your customers to do business with you is almost always a losing strategy.

    46. Re:Which was always obvious. by bhagwad · · Score: 1

      Proof that you can't write something Anti-Microsoft with Word?

    47. Re:Which was always obvious. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      There's a big difference between demanding a cut of all the sales of a program, and charging a flat fee for a tool.

    48. Re:Which was always obvious. by Grail · · Score: 1

      And the fact that it's Motorola instead of Google makes it just fine for them to violate the F/RAND licensing six ways to Sunday?

    49. Re:Which was always obvious. by Grail · · Score: 1

      That's not the point. The point is that the Apple iBooks Author program is free to use, but if you make money from the output of the program you do it on Apple's terms.

      If you didn't want to use Metroworks, you would just go and write your own toolchain. If you don't like bit keeper's conditions, you would just go write your own version control system. If you don't like Microsoft's Educational licence restrictions, you'd just go buy the full version or write your own word processor.

      Licencing conditions on commercial use of tools are not a new thing. We still have the option of writing our own WYSIWIG GUI for editing ePub 3.0 format, with live reviewing on the iPad or other device sitting on the desk.

      At least you can rest secure in the knowledge that Apple isn't going to give your book away for free in order to boost sales figures, like Amazon does.

    50. Re:Which was always obvious. by bhagwad · · Score: 2

      You like doing business with Google. Lots of people like doing business with Apple. So what?

      Apple can get even more customers by being nice. Being nice never drove anyone away. But by doing stuff like this, launching frivolous patent wars etc, Apple fails the "nice" test. So it loses a chance to get even more customers. So simple no?

    51. Re:Which was always obvious. by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      Well of course, we inherited this whacked Common Law system from those morons. We should have given them the finger in yet another way back in 1776 and adopted French Civil Code (or whatever the French were using at the time, as Napoleon hadn't quite come along yet to make his revisions). The idea of a court system where the judges and the lawyers are two entirely separate professions, going to two separate schools, makes a lot of sense when you see the shenanigans going on in the US legal system.

      I definitely agree... although everyone now tends to be using the German Civil Code, as it's very well engineered... (stereotyping not intended)

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    52. Re:Which was always obvious. by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So Google will drop all the lawsuits the moment the acquisition is complete?

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    53. Re:Which was always obvious. by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Actually there would be an easy way to fix it, in both criminal and civil, but it would take away power from the uberrich so it'd never fly. Simply have both side pay into a common fund which is split equally to pay for the two sides lawyers. no paying anything other than one half of the fund. this would discourage using "dream team" lawyers because by spending that outrageous amount you would also be giving the other side an equal amount. As it is now both the rich and the state can use virtually unlimited funds to SLAPP away any threat to their power by simply dragging the case out until the poorer side goes broke. Sadly this goes on all to often and I've seen it first hand when a friend with a small business was royally fucked by quite obviously illegal tactics by an ISP who said "Just try and sue us". His lawyer told him "Sure you'll win, no doubt there, but by the time they are done dragging this through the system you'll be looking at the better part of a decade and close to a million dollars in legal fees over the length of the case" so he just walked away. If both sides had to pay into a fund that was split equally then dragging it out would give no advantage since you would be increasing the opponents resources as well. But as I said that would mean the 1% would actually have to argue cases on their merits and we can't have that now can we?

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    54. Re:Which was always obvious. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Apple can get even more customers by being nice. Being nice never drove anyone away. But by doing stuff like this, launching frivolous patent wars etc, Apple fails the "nice" test. So it loses a chance to get even more customers.

      Not really no. The only people that are aware whats in the EULA for a development tool is few geeks on Slashdot and the like. The only people that object to it are people who hate Apple whatever they do. And they won't buy Apple anyway. So they're not lost customers.

    55. Re:Which was always obvious. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Simple: because making the tool free and pushing it to become the de-facto standard means more people will use the Apple book store (or whatever they're calling it), and they'll make more money on ebook sales.

      There's nothing simple about that at all. That seems to be nothing more than an item of faith on your part. The logic seems entirely the other way.

    56. Re:Which was always obvious. by wmac1 · · Score: 1

      Thumbs up for those who screamed (weblogs, media, news) until Apple was forced to clarify the license. However it is still not acceptable.

    57. Re:Which was always obvious. by ohnocitizen · · Score: 0

      It was a legitimate source of complaint. I spend effort formatting my work, and then have to redo all of that effort if I want to sell my work outside their store? Look, they can pull that if they want, I just won't waste my time with their product. Frankly Apple deserves a robust competitor here who doesn't employ these restrictive tactics. Imagine if Adobe Photoshop tried this, and you could only sell photoshopped images in a Microsoft-Marketplace, giving Microsoft a cut. Oh, you are free to take the original photo and redo all that work to sell it elsewhere, so I guess anyone criticizing the move is part of the hippy "Adobe hates us for our freedom" crowd. PLEASE. No one buys that. And now we have a good reason to avoid buying Apple - their increasing efforts to exert control over users and our data.

    58. Re:Which was always obvious. by LSD-25 · · Score: 1

      Motorola isn't a Google child company. Motorola Mobility is a company which Google has agreed to purchase from Motorola, but the purchase has not yet been completed.

      Google's not buying it from Motorola. Motorola spun off Motorola Mobility in January 2011. At the same time, the parent company changed its name to “Motorola Solutions”, so there is no longer any company just called “Motorola”.

    59. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It might be a legitimate complaint, but your metaphor is terrible. While Adobe's application is aimed at producing content for wide use, Apple's is aimed at producing a finished product for a singlular use, and not content. It's not a typewriter; it's a printing press and book binder. The're saying, "Hey, we'll give you stuff to build snazzy books for free for sale in our book store if you give us a cut of sales. However, you can't use the stuff to build those books and sell 'em over at B. Dalton. In that case, get your own print shop."

      Also... "...now we have a good reason to avoid buying Apple..." You do realize that this is about Apple making clear it's not Doing The Bad Thing You Think You Might Be Upset About?

    60. Re:Which was always obvious. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      How would that money be increased by letting other ebook stores benefit from their app?

      To turn that into a profit would require charging for iBooks Author. And iBook tools is such a small niche, income from selling it would be irrelevant compared to actually selling ebooks.

      They would profit because could mean that practically ALL of the authors use the iBooks author app and put their books in the iBooks store. That ensures the further sale of iPads and use of the iBooks store. Their decision to be cunts about this means that authors that want to be in all stores will have to use other tools. If Adobe is feeling petty, they might release a similar, standards compliant tool, and make Apple and Jobs out to be hypocrites regarding open standards.

      They do have the best because they left the old standard behind.

      As I understand it, most if not all of the functionality of the new format was in the latest edition of the ePub standard, making it possibly different for the sake of being different. Also, Apple having the best book store and reader is questionable, and have very little to do with their proprietary ePub fork.

      The point of open standards is it benefits those who need easy compatibility between systems of different organisations. Having made the best authoring tool, and having their own successful ebook store, they don't need compatibility with any other organisation at the ebook format level.

      The point of open standards is to cut development costs and let products compete on their merits instead of vendor lock-in, which is beneficial to those who actually make quality products. It makes business less of a gamble, and allows a company a better chance to recover if they fall behind. What Apple did is quite similar to embrace, extend, extinguish, although I think they played their hand a bit too early.

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    61. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another example: Sony PS3 dev kit, Sony gets to distribute the binaries produced.

    62. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this is the way it works in practice in US Common Law.

      But if you lack the funds to take the fight to/in court, you're still SOL...

    63. Re:Which was always obvious. by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      That would be because instead of suing directly, they get minions to do it so they can carry on their facade of looking "not evil", they've so far *given* patents to both Motorola and HTC, just before those two sued other companies with those very patents.

    64. Re:Which was always obvious. by beelsebob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple: Give you free tool because they want content for their store.
      Google: Give you free tool because they want your personal details and information on everything you're doing.

      You may prefer the terms of the latter free tool, but that doesn't make them being "nice", it makes them another company, with another motive for giving you a free tool.

    65. Re:Which was always obvious. by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      They would profit because could mean that practically ALL of the authors use the iBooks author app and put their books in the iBooks store. That ensures the further sale of iPads and use of the iBooks store. Their decision to be cunts about this means that authors that want to be in all stores will have to use other tools. If Adobe is feeling petty, they might release a similar, standards compliant tool, and make Apple and Jobs out to be hypocrites regarding open standards.

      That will happen anyway, why do they gain?

    66. Re:Which was always obvious. by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Yes – permitting you to make money as long as you give a cut is more permissive than not permitting you to make money at all. Apple's licensing terms are even more friendly than some very common ones out there, great! \o/

    67. Re:Which was always obvious. by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Why? Are you sure they don't like it? Why would you discourage them from using it, rather than informing them of when it's a good idea to use it and when it's not?

    68. Re:Which was always obvious. by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      The thing that always amuses me is that the very reasons Apple users often quote on here for not using Microsoft Windows or Linux are things they seem to be perfectly willing to accept under Apple's regime.

      For example, we often here them espouse how wonderful OS X is because it's based on a BSD UNIX core - yet anyone who uses a UNIX system properly will tell you that you cannot embrace it properly unless you use some of the power user automation and scripting at the command line. But OS X users will say they found Linux too difficult for that very reason.

      Likewise, they will often complain that Windows is far too locked down, with too many proprietary file formats - yet seem perfectly willing to accept the countless proprietary file formats that Apple imposes on them.

      I actually believe that for the majority of Apple users, it is simply about making a fashion statement about joining an elitist little club, hence display of the Apple logo being so important to them, and then trying to make rational arguments for their OS/hardware of choice that don't stand up to close scrutiny.

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    69. Re:Which was always obvious. by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 1

      From a users' perspective, I'm not aware of any strategies that Google uses that locks their userbase into using specific services by using proprietary lock-in or proprietary file formats like .ibook.

      Even with smartphones, it's a case of ticking a configuration box in Android that then allows you to go install apps from anywhere you like without having to root or jailbreak the device.

      Google aren't perfect, but there are varying degrees of control-freakery, and Apple sits there at the top of the list, above even Microsoft.

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    70. Re:Which was always obvious. by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 1

      The iBook format uses proprietary extensions which is no different to what Microsoft did with HTML support in Internet Explorer in order to lock in users to their web browser.

      It's monopolistic behaviour - the epub format (which is at the core of iBook) is an already Open Standard and if Apple was interested in maintaining open standards then they'd submit the changes included in the .ibook standard as extensions to the epub format.

      But they haven't done it that way because it's their usual control-freakery.

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    71. Re:Which was always obvious. by torako · · Score: 3, Informative

      This comparison doesn't hold. Microsoft extended HTML with their own tags and called the result HTML which was an attempt to force it into whatever direction Microsoft wanted it to go without going through standard bodies and while conveniently leaving other browsers behind.

      Apple on the other hand took the epub format and extended it but is very clear on the result not being an epub but a new proprietary format. They make this extremely clear by even defining a new MIME type and a file extension that is different.

    72. Re:Which was always obvious. by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 1

      You've merely repeated what I stated above - but you haven't answered the question as to why Apple didn't simply submit those extensions as updates to the epub format if they weren't just looking to create a new file format that they themselves could control.

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    73. Re:Which was always obvious. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      The iBook format uses proprietary extensions which is no different to what Microsoft did with HTML support in Internet Explorer in order to lock in users to their web browser.

      Your own link says why it's not like Microsoft's embrace and extend tactic:
      "They havenâ(TM)t asserted proprietary new features or syntax for ePub the way, say, Netscape and Internet Explorer asserted proprietary new tags and features for HTML. The output of iBooks Author is no more intended to be an industry standard than are any other Apple-proprietary document formats â" Pages, Numbers, Keynote, etc. This is Appleâ(TM)s own e-book format, intended only to be displayed (played?) using Appleâ(TM)s own software running on Appleâ(TM)s own devices."

      *IF* the output from iBooks Author had an extension of .epub, and Apple intended their format with extensions to become the defacto standard, then that would be like Microsoft's embrace and extend. But in fact Apple have done the very opposite.

      if Apple was interested in maintaining open standards then they'd submit the changes included in the .ibook standard as extensions to the epub format.

      And your own link explains why that wasn't a good move for Apple either. This way Apple get the industry's best interactive book features on the day
      they announce their textbooks initiative. They don't have to announce, then wait around for a year or so for approval of extensions to a standard.

      On top of all that Apple can't take advantage of any monopolistic behaviour in ebooks because it doesn't have one. They don't even have the largest market share - Amazon does.

    74. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, but it's unreasonable to accuse Google of being behind a move brought forward by a company they don't even formally own yet. But Apple astroturfers don't care about that, do they?

    75. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Me. I wasn't sure. It is a surprisingly simple license agreement that is fairly clear-cut most of the time. But I've learned when reading legal agreements to ask the question "Could it be interpreted in this (bad) way?", and then looking for specific evidence to the contrary in the agreement. If there isn't any, I ask for clarification of the agreement rather than assuming the wording is benign. The last thing you want to do is be sitting in court saying "I thought it was saying X", while the plaintiff is saying "No, we meant Y."

      There is never anything wrong with either party to a contract adding clarification to the agreement.

    76. Re:Which was always obvious. by Rational · · Score: 1

      The answer is the same as to the question "why don't they shove a brace of firecrackers up their butt, light them, and put it on YouTube for our amusement?", which is: "and why should they?" They have built upon an open standard to develop their own propietary format, which they are forcing no one to adopt. This is entirely legitimate, and the market will decide whether it's also good business.

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    77. Re:Which was always obvious. by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

      "wouldn't be unprecedented", "Numerous free...services", "Apple's greedy"

      You're just full of empirical type information, aren't you.

    78. Re:Which was always obvious. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      It won't, because many authors want to sell to non-Apple readers. Now, they may maintain a large market share for authoring tools, but their current stance assures that they will alienate a significant amount of authors.

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    79. Re:Which was always obvious. by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      And Google's actions concerning trampling privacy and dealing with totalitarian government censorship demands are part of their nice "totality", yes?

      Please, you just don't like Apple.

    80. Re:Which was always obvious. by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      "It won't, because many authors want to sell to non-Apple readers."

      And not one damned thing prevents that.

      "... but their current stance assures that they will alienate a significant amount of authors."

      No it won't. Why would it? It's a tool you don't have to use. What's the put-off?

    81. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have no right to claim of ownership over the output of any software that I use. Claiming otherwise is evil because it's setting a precedent for something that is simply wrong.

      I didn't even agree to the EULA anyway, my cat pressed that button.

    82. Re:Which was always obvious. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      And not one damned thing prevents that.

      They are prevented from selling to non-Apple readers in a fully functional format without having to remake the eBook.

      No it won't. Why would it? It's a tool you don't have to use. What's the put-off?

      Exactly, they don't have to use it. By authors who want to sell to everyone choosing to not use it, iBooks author doesn't become the de facto standard it could have been.

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    83. Re:Which was always obvious. by ohnocitizen · · Score: 1

      But it is a good metaphor. If I spend time arranging the content in a book now, avoiding apple's software, I can send it to any publisher. Apple's software removes that ability, Apple's PR team makes it feel natural, and Apple's diehard fans defend it. How about instead of Photoshop I compared it it to something like using http://www.smashwords.com/ or http://www.latex-project.org/intro.html?

    84. Re:Which was always obvious. by jo_ham · · Score: 0

      I see you don't understand what the words "evil" and "monopoly" mean.

      I mean, you can believe that those terms apply, but that doesn't make them accurate.

      I can say that baseballs are hexagonal, for example, but that doesn't change their properties.

    85. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still a terrible metaphor. You have the choice of which market you want to hit. Apple is under no obligation to help you put together your content for use elsewhere- especially not for free. You can send your content to any publisher you wish, in any event. Talk to them about layout.

      Don't get pissed off at Apple because they're not giving it away for free and artificially imposing limitations on themselves to make the Keepers of Non-standard Standards happy. Keep in mind that this is meant almost exclusively for the iPad, and even some of the key self-same keepers had to grudgingly admit that, if they were going to break the non-standard, Apple took close to the best possible approach. It might have been a Very Nice Thing if there was some sort of Universal approach to this, but there isn't. Heck, even the leading epub "standard" isn't to the standard, unless Amazon underwent some magical transition while I was asleep last night.

      Also, having spent time doing layout and typesetting using LaTeX in the past and recently spending some time poking around Apple's software, I can safely state that Apple's application produces delightfully wonderful results quickly and easily and that it makes other avenues of epub layout look primitive and as arcane as particle physics looks to the layman. Sorry, but LaTeX isn't in the same class for this use. It's not even the same plane of existence.

    86. Re:Which was always obvious. by meosborne · · Score: 1

      >
      > "Nice" isn't a business model. It's hardly even a worthwhile adjective.
      >

      Egad, I would *never* wish to have any sort of dealings, business or social, with you. "Nice" are all of those things which are not strictly required but can make all the difference between a pleasant experience and a poor one.

    87. Re:Which was always obvious. by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      So Google will drop all the lawsuits the moment the acquisition is complete?

      They probably won't drop them for a variety of reason:

      1/ Legal liability

      2/ Necessary counter suit against someone suing them.

      3/ The other party is guilty of something significant

      4/ More profitable not to drop it.

    88. Re:Which was always obvious. by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      No, but it's unreasonable to accuse Google of being behind a move brought forward by a company they don't even formally own yet. But Apple astroturfers don't care about that, do they?

      Yeah, even though they simply handed over some patents they just acquired to them, so they could sue. But Google astroturfers don't care about that, do they?

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    89. Re:Which was always obvious. by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      I actually read the sign up page for iBookStore authoring. The bit the article you linked to forgets to mention is "Note: Meeting these requirements and submitting an application does not guarantee that Apple will work directly with you. You may still be referred to an Apple-approved aggregator."

      A real pain in the ass is that you also can't use your existing iTunes Connect (iPhone/Mac App Store) account to sell books. You have to create a new Apple ID.

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    90. Re:Which was always obvious. by Kartu · · Score: 1

      Joahana Heffner's decision regarding rectangular devices with rounded corner tells me there are in fact serious problems in German courts.

    91. Re:Which was always obvious. by Kartu · · Score: 1

      It is first time I know, that tool vendor claims rights on stuff created with his tools. And no, thanks, I would prefer world without such "innovations" of Apple.

    92. Re:Which was always obvious. by Kartu · · Score: 1

      It sure takes a geek to realize you are stuck with bloody itunes when putting stuff on your idevice. I have a spare wi-fi HDD for you, oh enlightened one.

    93. Re:Which was always obvious. by Kartu · · Score: 1

      Let me see, being couple of years late and despite endless FUD about malware (for instance dolphin browser sending info about sites you visit to "some server" affected both iOS and Android, but was reported as an android problem by most sites), Android has triple market share of iOS and we'll soon see the same story on tablet market, so what eh?

    94. Re:Which was always obvious. by Kartu · · Score: 1

      Try to compare it to Open Office.

    95. Re:Which was always obvious. by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      Sorry, a person is nice by their actions in totality. I like doing business with Google and I trust Google because they're nice. So "nice" IS a viable business model if it gains the trust of your customers.

      Google is "nice"? Because they give you shiny things for free and then give the information gathered from them to their paying customers?

      And that's not even going into the illegal data collection, the lying about it right before getting caught, the unethical behaviour against small businesses in Kenya, the censoring here and the illegal adds there, the vandalisation of OpenStreetMap etc.

      But hey, you like doing "business" with them, so you probably like exactly that about them.

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    96. Re:Which was always obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually believe that for the majority of Apple users, it is simply about making a fashion statement about joining an elitist little club

      And justify it any way they can, it doesn't matter how many contradictions they raise. Can you imagine if Microsoft pulled something like this on some book store for their Zune platform? The Apple fanboys would be rabid!
      'Oh the evils of Microsoft with their locked-down formats, they MUST give us free open formats so we can choose our application and look at their army of lawyers ready to enforce their ambiguous EULA to destroy the user!'
      But when it's Apple it's:
      'Oh how great of them to release this application, locking it to iBooks is fine because iBooks is the best so you wouldn't want to use anything else anyway and it's theirs so they can do whatever they want, they don't have to offer us choice. Yeah the EULA is ambiguous, but that's ok, Apple would never sue anyone because they're just not evil like everyone else.

  2. By reading this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By reading this fRiSt PsOOT you agree to give Apple all rights to retain and distribute future posts.

  3. way to mis-summarise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The term implies that you cannot distribute using the .ibooks format, not that you cannot distribute the output of iBooks Author. I guess the term's as valid and enforceable as that sort of shrinkwrap term is valid and enforceable in your jurisdiction. IOW, what would be the damages, Apple? Would you sue someone for... the price of iBooks Author?

    Of course, if you're using another package to create .ibooks files then you won't be agreeing to this EULA anyway. Otherwise it would be interesting to understand what sort of legal position Apple think they have which entitles them to restrict the third party creation of files in the .ibooks format.

    1. Re:way to mis-summarise by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? The summary is clear that the EULA is about the .ibook format. It says "Apple is claiming rights to the .ibook format itself and not the content therein." The output of iBooks Author is an .ibook file.

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    2. Re:way to mis-summarise by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      The term implies that you cannot distribute using the .ibooks format, not that you cannot distribute the output of iBooks Author.

      Actually it's the combination of both.
      "If you want to charge a fee for a work that includes files in the .ibooks format generated using iBooks Author..."

      Which doesn't restrict you from using the iBooks format if it was generated with something other than iBooks Author.

      Nor does it restrict you from using output from iBooks Author if it's in a format other than iBooks. For example iBooks author has an export as PDF feature. You'd be OK to sell that through some other store.

    3. Re:way to mis-summarise by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Nor does it restrict you from using output from iBooks Author if it's in a format other than iBooks. For example iBooks author has an export as PDF feature. You'd be OK to sell that through some other store.

      The most important case is this: You wouldn't create the contents of a book in iBoos Author. You would use a word processor, some graphics program, a camera to make photos or movies, a 3D design program etc. You would create all these assets, and then use iBooks Author to create a book that looks really good on an iPad. You would then take the same assets and find some software to create a book that looks as great as you can manage on other devices. The panicky claims that were made were that the second use wouldn't be allowed - obviously ridiculous, but now it is clarified.

    4. Re:way to mis-summarise by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      iBooks author can export as an .ibook file, pdf, or text. And it's an .iba while you're working on it.

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    5. Re:way to mis-summarise by macs4all · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? The summary is clear that the EULA is about the .ibook format. It says "Apple is claiming rights to the .ibook format itself and not the content therein." The output of iBooks Author is an .ibook file.

      But it is not another AUTHORING TOOL that produces .ibook format. THAT's what they are trying to prevent. They are NOT claiming IP rights to the CONTENT, just the FILE FORMAT.

      Learn to read.

  4. Unreal by whisper_jeff · · Score: 2

    I still find it absolutely mind-boggling that anyone thought Apple was claiming rights to the content...

    1. Re:Unreal by migla · · Score: 0

      they just threw that out there to see if it could have had any chance to stick. If it would'a, then they'd turned around one day an said: "Haha! We own all the words now, so you must all shut the fuck up!"

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    2. Re:Unreal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have this really cool idea for a flexible government: we have one law which says "the government can do whatever is good for the country at any time". I mean, it would be absolutely mind-boggling for anyone to think that the government would be claiming absolute power over the people - and insane to imagine that it might try to exercise that power.

      Yes, rules should always be as general and as misinterpretable as possible. This will never be abused.

    3. Re:Unreal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they never did, except some reading-comprehension-challenged Apple-haters made claims to that effect. Everyone who commented before the clarification that were in any way experienced in the publishing trade said that even the original clause only applied to iBooks files produced by that software.

    4. Re:Unreal by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 1

      I still find it absolutely mind-boggling that Apple fanbois see this as something any less serious to them claiming rights to the content.

      Microsoft were pulled up before the EU monopolies commission and fined heavily for locking Windows users into Internet Explorer by using proprietary extensions to the existing Open Standard HTML format.

      The iBook format uses proprietary Apple extension to the existing Open Standard epub format. Therefore Apple is using monopolistic practices to lock in users.

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    5. Re:Unreal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they didn't, because the licence was always quite clear. The Apple haters simply paraphrased and re-paraphrased until they got to something that looked like Apple was making a claim on the content.

      Just because someone's interpretation of someone else's interpretation of the licence sounds a bit dodgy doesn't mean the licence actually says that.

  5. Wow by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apple has modified it in a software update to make clear that Apple is claiming rights to the .ibook format itself and not the content therein:

    Bet the ball on this got rolling just after somebody in Cupertino read the knee-jerk comments on Slashdot.

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    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt anyone at Apple gives two thirds of a flying fuck what anyone on Slashdot has to say. They're almost certainly more concerned with the reception their original license got from actual authors - you know, the articles that circulated for a day or two before Slashdot even posted the first article about it.

  6. Worth noting by Superken7 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is worth noting that you can't export to standard EPUB3 file format, only to PDF. PDF is obviously non-interactive, while the EPUB3 standard would allow for most if not all of the interactive elements that can be created with iBooks Author.

    Many argue that they are in their right to put that EULA, and that others have done it before (Microsoft's Word, for example). And they are absolutely right.
    That does not mean, however, that this isn't a very greedy move - many even describe it as 'evil' - and just like it happened with Microsoft in the past, I can totally understand why.

    Having a right to do something is not incompatible with being greedy or even evil.

    A peek into .iba files and a comparison with epub files evidences that Apple deliberately re-designed and implemented features in order to make the ibooks file format incompatible with industry standards. Again, while they are fully in their right to do this, this should be worrying to anyone who appreciates healthy competition and doesn't enjoy Microsoft-like monopolies. Ironically, this has happened with Apple being a member of the International Digital Publishing Forum, who manage the EPUB standard.
    (This really smells like embrace-extend-extinguish to me.)

    Perhaps what bugs me the most is that in spite of all this, no-one (AFAIK) has taken the time to provide an alternative tool which allows to create interactive ePub documents just as easily. It seems to me that Apple was first to do this "properly" (as it usually happens), and in this case there is no technical reason why it could not have been created 1 or 2 years ago by other industry leaders - I have used iBooks Author and it isn't much more than a glorified presentation editor.

    1. Re:Worth noting by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      It's similar to what they did with FaceTime, isn't it? For that one I'm under the impression they extended XMPP. At least they didn't claim they were going to make it an open standard this time and then advertise heavily that it's only between Apple devices.

    2. Re:Worth noting by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2

      How is it greedy or evil if the authoring tool is "free" and that you are not required to sell the book for a price? The tool is offered "FREE" with certain terms and conditions and if you don't like it then don't use it.

      I get the distinct impression that you have never written software for money because addition features like exporting to other formats costs money to develop and to test and maintain that code over time.

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    3. Re:Worth noting by siddesu · · Score: 1

      It is a good business model -- on one end, they act as if they own the hardware they sell you by restricting the ways third parties can deliver their information goods and services to your apple-branded hardware; on the other end, they are getting a commission from the third parties who want to deliver content to you for the privilege.

      It is profits all the way, eating at both the consumer and producer surplus ;)

    4. Re:Worth noting by arose · · Score: 1

      He explained exactly how this is designed to combat competition. It's only "free" inasmuch as it promotes iPad sales, it's not available for any other purpose.

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    5. Re:Worth noting by frinkster · · Score: 2

      A peek into .iba files and a comparison with epub files evidences that Apple deliberately re-designed and implemented features in order to make the ibooks file format incompatible with industry standards.

      It's pretty amazing that someone can come to this conclusion based on a comparison of the output files. Really?

      The iPad 2 has outstanding graphics performance compared to other tablets despite the graphics chip having similar or less processing power. They control both the hardware and software, allowing them to optimize the hell out of it.

      In this case, Apple controls the file format, the display software, AND the display hardware. And your conclusion is that Apple deliberately redesigned and implemented features to make sure it was incompatible with industry standards? How about a performance comparison? Until proven otherwise, this is just Apple optimizing the hell out of it to get maximum performance on the iPad.

      You know, being the anti-fanboy is just as bad as being the fanboy.

    6. Re:Worth noting by Sneeka2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      A peek into .iba files and a comparison with epub files evidences that Apple deliberately re-designed and implemented features in order to make the ibooks file format incompatible with industry standards.

      Please point to any material released by Apple that advertises in any way that .ibook files are epub files in any way, shape or form. I'll wait.

      Apple does not claim to be compatible with anything. This isn't a bait and switch. It's Apple releasing a proprietary tool for you to author a proprietary file format to be sold on a proprietary distribution platform to be consumed on proprietary devices. Nobody ever claimed otherwise. To the contrary, the EULA explicitly says so. What's there to complain about?

      Oh, you were hoping for a selfless deed of good and Apple to release a great, free authoring tool for the epub format that would make the world a better place and cure cancer. I guess you were also hoping for the iPhone 5 instead of the 4S. Sorry to disappoint.

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    7. Re:Worth noting by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The iBooks format isn't encrypted. They didn't even make a pretense of protecting the contents. It's more likely they extended epub3 because they wanted some extra features. I'm sure calibre will have a converter for you in no time.

    8. Re:Worth noting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A peek into .iba files and a comparison with epub files evidences that Apple deliberately re-designed and implemented features in order to make the ibooks file format incompatible with industry standards.

      Mmm, not really. It's more like Apple took an industry standard, followed it fairly closely, then tweaked it to add some features, and hid it behind a pretty package. Then it advertised it as a "All-new, revolutionary, innovative, one-of-a-kind means for distributing books that has no relation whatsoever to any existing formats, which are totally inferior and unworthy of comparison. Really.."

      (This really smells like embrace-extend-extinguish to me.)

      Then you don't know how EEE works. EEE is a tactic to dilute a standard from within.

      This is more like ignore-extend-extinguish. It would be EEE if Apple claimed that iBooks were ePubs. Apple is not claiming to support ePub, does not even mention ePub, and probably hopes consumers aren't aware of ePub.

      Perhaps what bugs me the most is that in spite of all this, no-one (AFAIK) has taken the time to provide an alternative tool which allows to create interactive ePub documents just as easily.

      This is the real issue. Apple created and advertised a proprietary tool to create proprietary content for its proprietary store. That's all this is. Apple is betting that competing authoring tools, formats, and stores will remain too confusing to figure out, and that will drive customers to the walled garden.

    9. Re:Worth noting by Truedat · · Score: 0

      A peek into .iba files and a comparison with epub files evidences that Apple deliberately re-designed and implemented features in order to make the ibooks file format incompatible

      This is a reasonable conclusion to come to, but if you look at the apple marketing for iBooks, nowhere do they mention that the file format has anything to do with the epub standard. It's completely proprietary as far as they are concerned, even the extension is ".iBook"

      (This really smells like embrace-extend-extinguish to me.)

      Again on the face of it, but I would say that would only be true only if they were saying: "look everyone, buy our great new books that are based on ePub open standards but with innovative apple enhancements".

      Apple have a track record of using open standards completely internally, this looks like more of the same. It wouldn't hurt to keep an eye on their stance though.

    10. Re:Worth noting by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Facetime voice/video chat at least, is regular SIP (using H.264 codecs) connecting through a central server that allows you to look up SIP URIs from phone numbers or email addresses. It's not regular SIP like Ekiga though, it first does a lookup using HTTPS (from user name or email) which then returns the SIP peer name to be dialed, from that point it is then a regular SIP call. It should be possible to implement an open Facetime client though, codecs aside.

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    11. Re:Worth noting by Superken7 · · Score: 2

      When did I say that they somehow were falsely advertising or tricking customers into thinking those were actually ePub files? I didn't.
      They did, however, decide to base their file format *very heavily* on ePub3, and change it in a way that will make it incompatible, without submitting their changes to the International Digital Publishing Forum (who maintain the ePub file format on which the ibooks file format is heavily based).

      Yes, actually, I would expect from a big company such as Apple who is a member of the International Digital Publishing Forum. Especially when they are selling this as a way of reshaping education and school textbooks.

      Repeat with me: I'm not saying that they *must* contribute to standards, only that I think it is greedy of them not to do so, considering the circumstances and their competitive advantage.

    12. Re:Worth noting by Sneeka2 · · Score: 1

      They did, however, decide to base their file format *very heavily* on ePub3, and change it in a way that will make it incompatible, without submitting their changes to the International Digital Publishing Forum (who maintain the ePub file format on which the ibooks file format is heavily based).

      Which is exactly where I say: So What? If you didn't look at the innards of the format, you'd never know it was based on ePub. What if they'd based it on an entirely different format, on something that was entirely proprietary to begin with? Would this make any difference? ePub by itself didn't do what they wanted it to do, so they modified it to their needs. To me that's the same as developing a proprietary format, period. Unless that is against the terms of use of the ePub format, they're entirely in their right to do so.

      Yes, actually, I would expect from a big company such as Apple who is a member of the International Digital Publishing Forum. [...] I'm not saying that they *must* contribute to standards, only that I think it is greedy of them not to do so...

      Why do they have to go through a lengthy discussion and approval process through a standards body which will take years and years and just water down the final product and level the playing field for the competition, when they can release a well working product right now? Which company in its right mind would not release first? If you want to call that greedy, fine. I'm calling it realistic.

      ...considering the circumstances and their competitive advantage.

      Competitive advantage? Like... what exactly? They have a lot of tablets out there, but there are many options for consuming electronic text on an iPad and Apple's iBook Store is pretty much a no-name also-ran in the eBook business. So it's actually kind of a long shot for them to be releasing an entirely proprietary format which only works on their proprietary platform at this point.

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    13. Re:Worth noting by CBM · · Score: 1

      At least they didn't claim they were going to make it an open standard this time and then advertise heavily that it's only between Apple devices.

      Um try again....

      "We’re going to the standards bodies, starting tomorrow, and we’re going to make FaceTime an open industry standard.” (Steve Jobs, July 2010)

      Guess what hasn't happened since July 2010?

  7. This doesn't address it at all. Still ridiculous. by Zadaz · · Score: 1

    It's still equivalent to saying that if I make a PDF with Adobe Acrobat that I can only distribute it through Adobe's services. Or that I write a Word DOC that can only be hosted on a Microsoft service.

    Proprietary formats already have deeply annoying lock-in, this is taking it one step too far.

  8. Just use PDF by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    Whats the hubub over fancy document formats which reinvent the wheel. Compressed postscript is fine.

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    1. Re:Just use PDF by Sneeka2 · · Score: 1

      Oh, because A4 page sized content works so well on postcard sized screens and vice versa...

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    2. Re:Just use PDF by arose · · Score: 1

      It's true, one of the requirements for ISO compatible PDFs is for them to target A4. Whatever was Adobe thinking designing such a restricted file format!

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    3. Re:Just use PDF by Sneeka2 · · Score: 1

      *sigh* PDFs are *fixed layout documents*. When creating the document, you have to create it at a certain size. That can be A4 or postcard size or anything else. Now, read my comment again and pay attention to the "vice versa".

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  9. Re:This doesn't address it at all. Still ridiculou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this the same as the complaints about the GPL being too restrictive? You're offered a tool that is free as long as you abide by the license (no option for a paid version with fewer restrictions for this tool). If you don't like the restrictions, don't use the tool. Big deal.

  10. What we need ..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need a converter to get .ibook to EPUB. If the InDesign upgrade adds everything Author does then I'm happy but the odds of that are zero. I'd be less concerned but they don't support iPhone or Portrait mode. If I could get the files open in InDesign I could potentially add that support so long as it didn't break the structure of the .ibook file. Unfortunately even Sigil doesn't support it so there's zero tweaking of the files. I'm guessing we are a year away from Author doing all the basics like iPhone and Portrait support. The rest is getting close.

  11. Microsoft Word, Home Edition by Brannon · · Score: 1

    is legally restricted to not be used for commercial purposes--in nearly exactly the same way that iBook Author is. I assume you are going to start protesting that now?

    1. Re:Microsoft Word, Home Edition by Qubit · · Score: 1

      is legally restricted to not be used for commercial purposes--in nearly exactly the same way that iBook Author is. I assume you are going to start protesting that now?

      That's actually a very interesting question! I assume that the restrictions on the "Home edition" software (let's shorten it to "HE") is on the software, not the resultant files. These kinds of restrictions (you might see one from your ISP or your phone company somewhere in their litterature) are often just to restrict people from using the software, the service, or the physical object (e.g. a hand mixer or a stove) in a commercial setting.

      The general idea with most of these restrictions is that the given service (e.g. a long-distance phone plan) or the given hardware (e.g. a blender) is designed to be lightly used by a home user. If someone takes a blender designed for a few smoothies every third week and puts it in a bar, the motor might not last a day. If you get a long-distance plan and use it for work, you might be on that phone circuit for 6 hours a day, 6 days a week!

      Similarly, Microsoft distributes the HE software as a kind of "Word lite" for end-users who aren't going to need all of the features of the full version of MS-Word. As a method of making it cheaper for families (or for OEMs to put onto computers targeted for the home), the software is restricted so that it can't be used commercially -- in a business. I'd have to see the exact license terms to be sure, but that's roughly my guess as to what that's about.

      Now I think the whole thing is just kind of silly. I mean, install LibreOffice on the computer and be done with it. Use the same software on Dad's laptop, little Bobby's drool-proof tablet, and Mom's 8-core gaming rig. But most people don't understand that there's an alternative...

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    2. Re:Microsoft Word, Home Edition by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      That's actually a very interesting question! I assume that the restrictions on the "Home edition" software (let's shorten it to "HE") is on the software, not the resultant files. These kinds of restrictions (you might see one from your ISP or your phone company somewhere in their litterature) are often just to restrict people from using the software, the service, or the physical object (e.g. a hand mixer or a stove) in a commercial setting.

      Well, if you use any software to write a book that you then sell, then it is commercial use. Very arguably using the software to write a book that you intend to sell is commercial use, even if you then fail to sell it. You are insofar right that the restriction is not on the output, but you fell foul of the EULA restriction much earlier. That doesn't change the fact that writing a book and selling it, taken together, is against the EULA.

  12. Sure, there are a lot of differences... by Qubit · · Score: 1

    Isn't this the same as the complaints about the GPL being too restrictive? You're offered a tool that is free as long as you abide by the license (no option for a paid version with fewer restrictions for this tool). If you don't like the restrictions, don't use the tool. Big deal.

    There are a lot of differences between a piece of software licensed under the GPL and under this license from Apple. Things like who can create or distribute derivative works, restrictions on what you can produce using the tool, what you can do with the tool (e.g. share it, copy it), and where you distribute the output.

    But let's make this really simple. Here's the big difference:

    The license from Apple was designed to retain control over both the software and the content created with the software, and to place that control in the hands of Apple. I mean, that's what it's saying, right?

    The license from Apple wasn't designed to empower the content creator. It wasn't designed to empower the content consumer. It was designed by a profit-driven corporation (Apple) to create and establish a locked-in market of creators and users that would be tied to Apple's software and Apple's market.

    And oh wait, did I mention that Apple wants to do this with our education system? With our textbooks? Who in their right mind would think it was a good idea to put more restrictions on that?

    The GPL was designed as a clever hack on copyright to empower people to create and share software and to empower the recipients of GPL-licensed software to share the original software and derivative works thereof in a "share-alike" commons. It was specifically designed to pass along to end users (who might also be creators/modifiers) the rights necessary for them to share and distribute their work, and making sure that they retain those rights, even if the upstream authors "change their minds" and wish later to rescind distribution rights based on use purpose, distribution mechanism, etc...

    I mean, look: Apple might be a powerful and well-staffed company. And it might make amazing tools in both hardware and software, but the question I think that we all need to be asking ourselves is whether it's ethical to support a company that is encouraging people to create their own content in a manner that prevents them from distributing that content without a permission slip from Apple. And it doesn't just stop there -- is the IBA file format even open at all? Is Apple going to sue us if we try to write/read the file format without using their software under their terms?

    How about this: If any big company wants to create a new file format, they publish a spec of the file format, along with a copyright/patent license, somewhere easy-to-find on their website. Someplace like www.big-company.com/fileformats/newformat/v1/{format_v1.blah, format_v1_license.blah, ..} would be nice, but I'd settle for just a few docs that could be (1) indexed by google, (2) slurped up by archive.org.

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    1. Re:Sure, there are a lot of differences... by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      The license from Apple was designed to retain control over both the software and the content created with the software, and to place that control in the hands of Apple. I mean, that's what it's saying, right?

      Here's where you are wrong, and the rest of your post can therefore be ignored. Why you are wrong: Ok, so Apple wants to "retain control over the software". I assume you mean iBooks Author with "the software". Well, they wrote it, they are the copyright holders, the only way Apple could not "retain control over the software" would be buy selling the copyright to someone else. Why would they do that?

      Then you say "the license was designed to retain control over the content created with the software". No, Apple doesn't have _any_ control over the content. What Apple controls to some degree is files created by the software in a certain file format. Apart from that, the copyright holder is totally free to use the content in any way they like. You should note that this is actually _more_ than the copyright holder has; normally if you get a publisher for a book in one format, the publisher will not allow you to use the content to produce a competing product. For example, if a publisher publishes your book in print, you won't be allowed to sell it in ePub or PDF format through a different publisher. Apple, on the other hand, allows you to do anything you like with the content.

    2. Re:Sure, there are a lot of differences... by puregen1us · · Score: 1

      As a consumer, I rather like being empowered.

      Neither the MPAA, nor the RIAA have every tried to empowered their consumers.

      I want to be empowered and force content creators to create good content, not be offered and forced to take the best of a poor to mediocre offering.

  13. Re:This doesn't address it at all. Still ridiculou by Sneeka2 · · Score: 2

    It's equivalent to saying that if you want to sell an iBook on the Apple iBook store to be consumed on Apple iDevices, you may use this tool. That's the purpose of this file format and authoring tool. The purpose is not to create a new interoperable format. It's equivalent to saying that if you want to program a widget for the HyperFridge 3000, you have to learn and write it in VisiFoo++ 3.4 and compile it to ProprietyARMBinaryCode 25E, which will only run on HyperFridge compatible devices. The EULA is limiting because the purpose of the tool is limited.

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  14. Free and It's a Trap by mattr · · Score: 0

    > What's there to complain about?

    When Microsoft does it, It's A Trap. When Apple does it, "It's a Walled Garden" which sounds positive in the sense of perhaps being more secure or promoting higher quality.

    And it's true. Apple looking at the source code of apps sold on its store make me feel safer. I wouldn't be looking for a firewall for my iPhone as quickly as I am now for my HTC. And Apple makes good products; I love my MacBook Pro. An iPad is a useful device.

    But look at what happens with iTunes and music. How do you share iTunes purchases made by two family members in a family with more than five PCs, iPhones and iPads? I'm not sure I solved that question on winter vacation for my own family.
    I am not aware if Apple does this, but I am sure I don't want the same thing to happen for books or for it even to be possible.

    Do you want books to be redefined as proprietary bits of code? How do you make libraries?
    The scheme is designed to make another Walled Garden. It is not "just a proprietary platform, they are honest about it." It is in fact a spearhead aimed at students under the guise of "lower priced textbooks" while requiring the use of expensive technology and purchase through them alone. So it is the opposite of Open Courseware a la MIT.

    In other words, Apple could pay professors to write books for their Walled Garden but they are not contributing to general education due to artificial limitations on ability to sell and distribute them. Apple is making most of their money now not by making tools but by controlling sales and distribution. I feel it is highly inappropriate for the manufacturer of my computer to attempt to tell me where and how I can sell products I make with it.

    Yes, Apple will use this to draw authors and publishers to their Walled Garden. The combination of a proprietary format, a closed storefront, and a closed platform will still be enticing based on simple economics - it may be easiest to sell there. As titles accumulate at lower prices than for printed books, it will look better and better regardless of content quality or accessibility in terms of academic freedom. It might have a good effect in terms of lightening the economic burden on students and making it easier to carry books around.

    But No, it is not acceptable to paint this as being altruistic or as supporting scholarship. It is not just a proprietary format and free tool. It also includes poisonous restrictions on what you do with the creations. It is very clearly an attempt to corner the publishing market and to poison publications from the point of authorship by making it difficult or illegal to stray from their store. In particular there are many schools that are spending huge amounts of money to introduce iPads. That books could be produced for these devices and not be available to students who do not have iPads is neither ethical nor to be allowed. I believe there is a huge danger that a company which is making billions upon billions of dollars through sales of music copyright could destroy open scholarship by attempting to roll over the next closest market it has not yet occupied, which is academic publishing: an industry which has a strong impact on how the next generation thinks.

    1. Re:Free and It's a Trap by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Apple looking at the source code of apps sold on its store make me feel safer.

      They don't do that, that's why a tethering app was able to slip through disguised as a "flashlight" (show a white screen) app.

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