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Details Emerge About Spark Linux-Based Tablet

MojoKid writes "There's a new tablet in town called the Spark. The Linux-driven tablet, based on the Zenithink C71 and KDE was unveiled by developer Aaron Seigo recently. The tablet will be available for pre-order this week and will start shipping worldwide in May. In terms of specifications, the 7-inch (800x480) multi-touch slate will run a 1GHz AMLogic ARM processor and Mali-400 GPU, sport 512MB of RAM, 4GB of internal storage (with a microSD slot for expandability), 802/11b/g WiFi, a pair of USB ports, a front-facing 1.3MP webcam, and an audio jack. The UI of choice is Plasma Active and there will apparently be a content store where developers can peddle their wares and users can snag software."

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  1. The dev team thinks of everything by emurphy42 · · Score: 4, Funny
    From TFA:

    Seigo also noted that the tablet will indeed blend, although that would void the warranty.

    1. Re:The dev team thinks of everything by symbolset · · Score: 4, Funny

      If somebody comes out with an Android tablet that will blend and not void the warranty, I'm buying it. I have small kids.

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  2. Rise of Linux by Wowsers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am interested in this tablet, not because it is best / most up to date, but it pushes Linux. What I mean is, it's not relying on a locked down version that the likes of Google pretend is Linux. It's not just a question of free as in no cost OS, but freedom to do what you like... which is not the same as installing re-engineered OS versions but might brick your device as that's how the hardware was designed.

    To that end, I'd love to see a 100% Linux phone, nothing relying on Google with it's bits locked down or tracking

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    1. Re:Rise of Linux by loufoque · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try the Linux phones Nokia made before being bought by Microsoft.

    2. Re:Rise of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those phones dont have a future, so by buying them you only subsidize Nokias future Windows phones. You need to put your money somwhere where it benefits the Linux ecosystem in the long run.

    3. Re:Rise of Linux by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Informative

      Untrue. Nokia still develops Qt for use with future phones, both Symbian (which is being phased out in a few years) and cheaper 'feature phones' targetting what Nokia calls 'the next billion' internet users. Nokia has stated the Swipe UI of the N9 is going to live on, and obviously not in Windows phones.

    4. Re:Rise of Linux by DrXym · · Score: 2
      "100% Linux" is a meaningless term. Perhaps you mean 100% LGPL/GPL. I'm not sure how such a device would be guaranteed to be free of a backend like Google or tracking.

      Also, you can fetch and build Android yourself. Nothing to stop you forking it and stripping out anything you disagree with. A vanilla Android doesn't include any of the "premium" Google apps anyway so the tracking is minimal unless you count the default homepage of the browser and a few other vestigial traces. It would be easy enough to fork and strip them out.

      Cyanogenmod is example of an Android fork, one that tracks the mainline but also provides a substantial number of enhancements of its own.

  3. Multi-touch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I wonder what framework it will use for multi-touch and how well the installed applications are optimized for touch input. Actually, (formerly) Nokia's QT was starting to get good touch support, might be a reason why they went with KDE?

    1. Re:Multi-touch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah it does. Since like 2008?

    2. Re:Multi-touch? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Earlier than that. the Wacom tablet driver supported multiple pens on screen at once before that.

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  4. Preorder... by psergiu · · Score: 4, Informative

    This "preorder" business sounds fishy.

    Anyone remembers the "CherryPal Africa" $99 laptops ? I preordered two. And almost 3 months after the date they were supposed to be shipping i got the money back by filling a complaint with my bank. Some of the people who preordered used Western Union or simmilar money transfer services and they never got their money back OR the laptop.

    Be carefull if preordering vapourware from unknown companies.

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    1. Re:Preorder... by MtHuurne · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is always some risk in preorders, but I think this one is relatively safe:

      • Aaron Seigo is a long time high profile KDE developer and he was president of their foundation for two years.
      • The hardware already exists: they're re-using an Android tablet.
      • The software already exists: you can already download images of Mer with Plasma Active. It's a work in progress, but it's not vapourware.
  5. Nokia N9 by srussia · · Score: 3, Informative

    To that end, I'd love to see a 100% Linux phone, nothing relying on Google with it's bits locked down or tracking

    MeeGo Harmattan close enough for you?

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    1. Re:Nokia N9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm glad someone mentioned Nokia N9 here. In fact, as soon as I can afford to spend the money, I will buy one. I hope to accomplish two things with this purchase:

      • - I will own a phone with a free/open and modern OS (or at least less controlled then the competition)
      • - I will contribute a tiny little bit to changing Nokia's mind about abandoning Meego
    2. Re:Nokia N9 by cdp0 · · Score: 2

      But why go through all that when you can buy one phone (Nokia N9) that gives you what you need right from the start ? With N9 you basically have root access from the beginning, no jail breaking, no flashing, no nothing. This is what I call freedom (well, in this context).

  6. but the most important question... by mrt_2394871 · · Score: 3, Funny

    even for someone who wants a full Linux stack, is: 'Can I play Angry Birds on it?'

    1. Re:but the most important question... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Presumably yes, given that Chromium can be built for ARM, and there is Angry Birds for Chrome.

  7. Obligatory... by axedog · · Score: 4, Funny

    2012 - year of the linux tablet!

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  8. Re:Zenithink rubish by psergiu · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Wife reception becomes even worse if you "do not hold it right"

    Learn to hold yor wife right and she'll be more receptive :)

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  9. They're doomed by TuringTest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The vision of Plasma Active is to create an innovative and fresh data-centric UI which is not concerned with applications but rather offers a user oriented interface with logically combined items through activities, which reflect the workflow and usage of the device by the user".

    Didn't understand a word? Me neither. And this is from a commercial company trying to sell the thing. No more luck with the promotional video, which only shows some loading times for some unexplained tasks for which the benefit is not clear.

    Until they hire some marketing people able to explain why consumers should buy the thing, and some UX people making the users feel at home when using it, nobody -not even geeks- will want to buy one.

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    1. Re:They're doomed by bjwest · · Score: 2

      ... If I get a tablet, it needs to have 3G.

      Why? A tablet isn't intended as a replacement to your cell phone. You already have 3/4G access there, why pay for another?

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  10. Words mean things by symbolset · · Score: 2

    I would know. In this case "snag" means to acquire through purchase or through gift - to achieve ownership without theft.

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  11. Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    Have a tablet running Android 2.3 (version 4 isn't available for it yet, still waiting)

    Need to know what's the difference between a tablet running Linux and Android ?

    Will Android apps work in the Linux tablets, and vice versa?

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    1. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are you sure that four digit UID really is yours?

    2. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by chrb · · Score: 4, Informative

      Android and traditional "Linux" are not quite the same thing. Imagine taking a generic Linux distribution like Ubuntu, cutting it to the bare minimum, replacing xorg and the desktop with an app launcher, add a web browser and media player, add a Java runtime environment like the JRE linked to an online app market, and then you have something that resembles Android. Command line Linux apps will run on Android, but you will usually have to recompile them if nobody else has (you can cheat though, and say, run Debian in a chroot). Linux graphical apps (X) will not run on Android (you can hypothetically run them through VNC, but it's not great). Apps written for other graphical backends like OpenGL and SDL should work on Android once you get them to compile. Android apps will not run on Linux because there is no Android runtime environment for Linux. At some point I expect we'll see an open source "Android player", but nobody has done it yet (I recall Canonical working on it at one point, but I haven't heard anything about that for a while).

    3. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by TuringTest · · Score: 3, Informative

      Surely he is the first Slashdot troll? :-P

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    4. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Noitatsidem · · Score: 2

      I don't see ARM being mentioned in the post above?

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    5. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by chrb · · Score: 4, Informative

      seeing how simple it is to set up the Android qemu/kvm based SDK in a virtual machine on Linux, I don't know if that itch is really very scratchy.

      BlueStacks got over $10m funding, so some people think it's a good idea. It should be really easy to do, too - all the source required is open and already runs on Linux/Android, it just needs porting to Linux/desktop.

      please tell us more about this debian chroot solution.

      http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/debian-on-android http://www.saurik.com/id/10

    6. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Nimey · · Score: 3, Informative

      There was an official contest of some sort a couple years back, and one of the prizes was getting a random abandoned low-UID account.

      Don't believe Taco ever said which account it was.

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    7. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by isopropanol · · Score: 3, Informative

      Poor assumption. Do OSX applications work on BSD? No, the UI libraries are completely different. Same thing (only even deeper) comparing Android and Linux.

    8. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by theCoder · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are a lot of changes Google made to the Linux kernel, that while the source is available are not in the mainline. Some of those changes the kernel devs did not like, and may never be in the kernel at all. Others are slowly working their way in. This page lists the major differences in Android versus mainline.

      Because of the kernel differences, it would be difficult to run an Android environment on a mainline Linux distribution.

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    9. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

      Are you sure that four digit UID really is yours?

      See how unwelcome Slashdot has become since CmdrTaco left ?

      Why don't you guys ask Rob Malda (aka CmdrTaco) whether my four-digit UID is genuine, or not ?

      Unlike some of the latecomers who think that they know it all, old-timers like me know that we don't know a lot of things, and we are not shy to ask questions - even questions that seem to be basic to those know-it-all latecomers

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  12. Games might make it live by erroneus · · Score: 2

    I hate to sound like someone else when I say "developers, developers, developers" but if this thing shipped with Angry Birds on it, people would buy it and keep using it. Combine that with some really good navigation, and that would keep people from playing with it and dropping it in a drawer later.

  13. important question by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    Can it run Flash in a browser?

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    1. Re:important question by hobarrera · · Score: 2

      Totally wrong. The N900 runs a firefox-based browser, and ARM, and has a flash plugin out-of-the-box.
      Maybe that's usable (would need to check it's license), or maybe adobe will make one/license one for them.

      The real solution would be for adobe+flash to die once and for all! :)

  14. Re:god. by bjwest · · Score: 2

    cheap Chinese tablet, with plastic screen and low specs

    why that fixation to have hard, heavy metal casings on handheld devices ? isnt it stupid to haul around something heavy ? or, 'shiny' is more important than 'light' for you ?

    I think it's more of a durability thing, being hand held and all. I'd rather not have my $300 + toy shatter the first time I drop it.

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  15. Why not, it's a sh*tty product by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 2
    Take an obsolete $120 Zenithink C71, root it, install a badly done KDE here's a video - note that the demo is done on a 14" screen, not a 7" screen, and even then, the buttons on the top menu bar don't always work, and double the price.

    Go to 2:06 of the video and freeze it - you'll see that the demo is completely fake - that is NOT a 7" screen.

    So, what you see is NOT what you'll get. It's not running on the same hardware, it's not anywhere near the same resolution - and yet nowhere is this mentioned.

    The idea that this is ever going to sell is insane. Then again, the guy's in Calgary - perhaps he's experiencing a brain freeze?

    So, you have a choice - order this PoS for $260 this summer, or order a quad-core with better battery life and more features for the same price. Gee, that's a no-brainer.

    What next, som idiot installing freeDOS on a tablet and asking for 3x the price (a freeDOS tablet for $100 would actually make more sense, because there IS a market for people who would like to be able to play those old games in a convenient form factor).

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  16. Yawn. Another underpowered Linux device by msobkow · · Score: 2

    I've tried to run recent versions of Linux on comparably powered and configured Intel hardware.

    The experience SUCKS. You can't play video without it going choppy (especially not full-screen Flash videos or YouTube content.) The UI takes a quarter to half second to respond if you've got anything USEFUL running on the system. You can hear the hard drive grinding away as the system swaps and thrashes trying to do anything with a mere 512MB of RAM to play with.

    Piece of crap, in my books, and late to market. You can already buy more powerful tablets that have better brand recognition and market share.

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  17. Re:Know your target... by unixisc · · Score: 2

    If anybody's working on a Gnome 3 tablet, /. should be their target customer. But not this one. It's done a fine job, and as some people noted above, they do need better marketing, as well as some content tie-ups so that they can also be a good tablet for books, among other things.

  18. Re:Why KDE? by Pieroxy · · Score: 2

    Is unity useable at all on tablets?

    I dunno, but it sure isn't useable on a desktop, so I guessed it was designed for a tablet...