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Full-Body Scans Rolled Out At All Australian International Airports
suraj.sun writes in with a story about the spread of full body scanners. It reads in part:"Passengers at airports across Australia will be forced to undergo full-body scans or be banned from flying under new laws to be introduced into Federal Parliament this week. In a radical $28 million security overhaul, the scanners will be installed at all international airports from July and follows trials at Sydney and Melbourne in August and September last year. The Government is touting the technology as the most advanced available, with the equipment able to detect metallic and non-metallic items beneath clothing. It's also keen to allay concerns raised on travel online forums that passengers would appear nude on security screens as they had when similar scanners were introduced at U.S. airports. The technology will show passengers on a screen as stick figures of neither sex."
What problem does Australia have that this is solving?
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Now will they have pat downs as well?
Sorry, Australia. You just became unvisitable.
Well, here's 22 hours in a flying tube, that I can take off my list, now...
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
The cancer causing radiation is also a bit of a concern too...
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FTFS: The technology will show passengers on a screen as stick figures of neither sex.
This gives a whole new meaning to "obligatory XKCD".
Set your phasers on "funky"!
Until they allay the concerns of being irradiated I don't think I'll be visiting Australia.
Yes, the amount of radiation is theoretically small, but if one flies a lot, getting irradiated frequently is not something I wish to subject myself to, nor is something that I should be forced to undergo, especially when there are no good studies of the effects of the radiation from these machines.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
I didn't know Australia had a terrorist problem.
I never heard of any plane being hijacked or blown up or any attempts or any other terrorist activity.
Would some Aussie please fill us in... what is this for?
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From now on proper terrorists will put their weapons/bombs up their butts. Unless something has changed this should still get past the scanners without a problem.
Not that anyone seems to be very interested in bombing planes these days.
And when the scan doesn't reveal enough, they have an Anal Probe ready for you in the side room!
-- By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out.
The EU banned these contraptions due to unsafe radiation.
Summary says go through the scanner or be banned from flying, why would you pat down someone banned from flying, you just send them home. Tell them to take a boat or something if they'd like to leave.
Of course you could still fly to NZ and perhaps take a cruise ship the rest of the way, just saying if you really wanted to go without a full body scan.
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The radiation used in the scanners might also sterilize us.
That way not only does the world learn that you have a miniscule penis, but they also know it's no longer a working one.
I had the "privilege" of going through the Sydney international hub quite a few times over the past 5 years. I'm a US citizen. I've been to Australia quite a few times the first of which was 1989. Back then I noticed that my accent and demeanor got me a lot of very friendly greetings, people assumed I was Canadian. I learned it was in my interest to not correct them.
Flying in and out of Sydney of late I noticed that a large number of Non-Aussies were getting pulled from the international line for "random" security pat downs. In each case the guards were very verbal about letting us know it was only random. But I don't think so. I had a 3 hr layover on one flight so I parked myself up in the food court which has a perfect view of the security check points for this area. And in 2 hrs of watching I never once saw an Aussie get a random pat down on an international flight. On the return flight I had the same layover and repeated my observation with the exact results. I even went so far as to get prepped for the patdown while in line. When they pulled me I was ready and the guard asked me why. I said: "You pull all the foreigners out, so I just wanted to speed this up." He protested saying it was random and I told him random does not equal 100%.
Time and time again I've been told by Aussie and Kiwi friends that the US military companies are in bed with the Aussie gov't and are selling paranoia at at premium. This news only solidifies that for me and confirms that I'll never return to Oz again. I just hope that Aotearoa remains a bastion of pacific sanity.
AUS is of the holiday list plain and simple
Either they face reality that over 140+ people on average have access to a single airplane and that it cannot be made "safe" in absolute terms or they will loose my business and get some free bad publicity ...
Fearmongering does not work, it never has and never will.
As far as those two tower are concerned: more people are dying of cancer every week than that people died that day ... look at how much is being invested in that!
Or was there a war on cancer?
Right!
This is very disappointing, especially after the EU passed strict body scanner regulations, which both banned X-ray scanners and required passengers be allowed to opt-out of non-X-ray scanners. Germany scrapped all body scanners, not just because of the health concerns, but because they actually don't work . I know someone who accidentally took his pocket knife through security and the body scanner didn't detect it. These things aren't making anyone safer: between the decreased effectiveness and the cancer risk, they're actually making flying more dangerous.
>able to detect metallic and non-metallic items
...or, as we like to call them, "items".
Nice to see the U.S. still has a thriving export market in ideas for government corruption masquerading as expensive security theater.
The images may be shown on the display screen as stick figures, but the unmodified nude 3d models are still stored as useful biometric information data in government databases. Count on it.
Why would you go to Australia when you're already in New Zealand?
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Back in July 2011, I flew out of LAX. I got to the security check and they told me to go through the scanner. I said no way. I was looked at like I am a terrorist (I look more like a young Steve Jobs than a terrorist). As the TSA employee is molesting me, I mean conducting an enhanced pat-down, he tries to strike up a conversation with me. He asks me if I have kids. I said "yes, why?" He says "Well, typically the only guys that don't want to go through the full-body scan haven't have kids yet. So why didn't you want to go through the scanner?" I said "I don't want to get cancer.......again." He said "Oh, I would have done the same thing." His attitude changed and he finished quickly.
Yes, I am a cancer survivor.
Well, you could go by cargo ship. It's about the same price as flying, sometimes less, takes longer. Meals are almost always included, some require you to bring your own food or pay on ship. But it's a hell of a lot of fun, most of the time the crew is pretty decent having someone new on board and don't mind showing people around, or even having someone else to do things with. You can get private, shared cabins or crew bunks.
You'll still have to do port of entry calls and all that, but it will save you from having to go through the airport and the scanners. I did a trip from Halifax to Panama and back for round trip $400 back in '03ish on two different Maersk cargo ships. I stayed a week in Panama and returned. If you want to experience something unique, try it.
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Oh sure, then we'll need checkpoints to get to the checkpoints to get to the checkpoints. I can't wait for the day every vehicle traveling to AND from the airport is xrayed, full body scan to enter and leave building, with another scan plus a pat down to enter and leave the terminal.
They're using millimetre wave body scanners, so no ionising radiation.
http://www.ausbt.com.au/australian-airports-to-get-millimetre-wave-body-scanners
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We said they hated our freedom, so to discourage them, we got rid of it.
That's it exactly!
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Australia remains a colony in all but name. Australian intelligence agencies are, in effect, branches of the main office in Washington. The Australian military has played a regular role as US mercenary. When prime minister Gough Whitlam tried to change this in 1975 and secure Australia's partial independence, he was dismissed by a governor-general using archaic "reserve powers" who was revealed to have intelligence connections.
WikiLeaks has given Australians a rare glimpse of how their country is run. In 2010, leaked US cables disclosed that key government figures in the Labor Party coup that brought Julia Gillard to power were "protected" sources of the US embassy: what the CIA calls "assets". Kevin Rudd, the prime minister she ousted, had displeased Washington by being disobedient, even suggesting that Australian troops withdraw from Afghanistan.
In the wake of her portentous rise ascent to power, Gillard attacked WikiLeaks as "illegal" and her attorney-general threatened to withdraw Assange's passport. Yet the Australian Federal Police reported that Assange and WikiLeaks had broken no law. Freedom of information files have since revealed that Australian diplomats have colluded with the US in its pursuit of Assange. This is not unusual. The government of John Howard ignored the rule of law and conspired with the US to keep David Hicks, an Australian citizen, in Guantanamo Bay, where he was tortured. Australia's principal intelligence organisation, ASIO, is allowed to imprison refugees indefinitely without explanation, prosecution or appeal.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3806462.html
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Yes, when only 10 years ago, the AUD was around 50 US cents. And even then, things were slightly more expensive in Australia than the US. Now that the AUD is worth more than the US (and domestic prices haven't halved, you know)...
Basically an American in Australia is paying 2x - 3x as much as they would for the same thing at home these days. Doesn't affect the Aussies since they are earning AUD, and doesn't affect those from places using currencies that have also appreciated a lot against the USD in the last few years, but for Americans, AU would be close to the most expensive place on earth right now.
OK. How?
Contact the cargo line of your choice. Then ask them to put you in contact with their passenger service. Simple as that. Nearly all of them do it still, though I do believe that some of the satellites of Maersk no longer do. You can also just use google. People actually act as travel agents doing all the hard work for you.
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