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Full-Body Scans Rolled Out At All Australian International Airports

suraj.sun writes in with a story about the spread of full body scanners. It reads in part:"Passengers at airports across Australia will be forced to undergo full-body scans or be banned from flying under new laws to be introduced into Federal Parliament this week. In a radical $28 million security overhaul, the scanners will be installed at all international airports from July and follows trials at Sydney and Melbourne in August and September last year. The Government is touting the technology as the most advanced available, with the equipment able to detect metallic and non-metallic items beneath clothing. It's also keen to allay concerns raised on travel online forums that passengers would appear nude on security screens as they had when similar scanners were introduced at U.S. airports. The technology will show passengers on a screen as stick figures of neither sex."

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  1. Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What problem does Australia have that this is solving?

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    1. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > "What problem does Australia have that this is solving?"

      Liberty.

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    2. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by pjr.cc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In Australia we have two huge problems that need solving - paranoia and a willingness of our government to spy on everything we do.

      How the internet firewall didnt get rolled out is a mystery to me (even though in part it did manage to make a small appearance in a different form).

    3. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

      What problem does Australia have that this is solving?

      They may be getting on top of their skin cancer problem, and need to drive some demand.

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    4. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by Swampash · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder which large North American nation might have leant on Australia to install these things.

    5. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by Vanderhoth · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can't understand why Canada would do that! Damn beer drinking, hockey rioting, tuke heads.

    6. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by geogob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What problem does Australia have that this is solving?

      It solve only one problem : the lack of contract to some firm that did a good lobbying job.

    7. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem that it solves is the ability to fly aircraft to the USA - the US lays down the requirements for the security of flights that are flying to a US airport or over their airspace, and if the flights do not meet the requirements, tehy do not fly direct (see the issue of the Pakistan International Airlines issues where for a long long time after they bought their brand new Boeing 777s, they had to do a stop over in Manchester, UK on all Pakistan-USA flights, deboard the aircraft and everyone was put through UK security before the plane could depart for the US (the plane was also subject to search while the passengers were offloaded).

      If the security measures do not match up to what the US wants, you have problems flying to the US...

      Sure, its a self made problem, but its a problem none-the-less.

    8. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by ToadProphet · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's 'toque'

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    9. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by agwadude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously. Who don't more people ask this? Check out the Wikipedia article Terrorism in Australia and notice not only the shortness of the article, but also the distinct lack of aviation attacks. It will only take one death from cancer caused by these body scanners and they will have caused more aviation deaths in Australia than terrorists.

    10. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have a mismatched parenthesis in my last post (one less closing bracket than I should have), so for those of you who get driven insane by that, here you go - ).

    11. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

      What problem does Australia have that this is solving?

      Unauthroized export of Vegemite.

      "Crikey! This one's actually a kangaroo!"

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    12. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can't solve paranoia. Give a candle to a man jumping at shadows, and he'll just start panicking about the shadows moving.

    13. Re:Government Contract in Search of a Problem? by speculatrix · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I used to happily fly to the USA at least twice a year, for work (employer has offices there) and vacation (I have relatives there). I even thought of emigrating there, I could probably get a visa without too much trouble as a senior working in IT and a fair amount of personal assets.

      With all the hassles of flying to the USA, I now try and avoid it, managing to reduce my trips by one or two a year. Total cost to the US economy is about US$3000 per trip. There must be many others doing likewise. Cost to the US economy overall is probably millions of dollars, a direct loss to the travel industry (airline, hotel, car hire, restaurants, entertainment etc). Add in the burden to the economy to support all the spurious security measures and it adds insult to injury.

  2. Who Would Jesus Scan? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, Australia. You just became unvisitable.

    Well, here's 22 hours in a flying tube, that I can take off my list, now...

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  3. It's not /just/ the nude thing by MrDoh! · · Score: 4, Informative

    The cancer causing radiation is also a bit of a concern too...

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    1. Re:It's not /just/ the nude thing by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a difference.

      The radiation you get from airplane travel is full-body and full-spectrum, consisting of X-Rays, Gamma rays, radio waves, and everything in between.

      The radiation you get from the terahertz scanners deposits all of its energy into your skin, in a small band of frequencies. That makes it potentially more likely to cause skin cancer than the broadband, full body radiation you get from air travel.

      Look, either of these sources is insignificant compared to the energy you get from spending a minute out in the sunlight. But the type of energy and where it is deposited matters, and the terahertz scanners have not been proven safe. Making them mandatory is short-sighted and stupid...and inevitable, given the way governments work.

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    2. Re:It's not /just/ the nude thing by joshtheitguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Concerns of the levels of radiation being safe or unsafe doesn't matter to me. What matters is the fact that numerous experts have proven the scanners to be completely ineffective at stopping threats and that is what people should care about.

      Why expose yourself to the radiation in the first place? I refuse these machines every time I travel domestically and if they are required by some other country I'm not going to go there just wish everyone else did the same.

  4. Stick figures? by srussia · · Score: 5, Funny

    FTFS: The technology will show passengers on a screen as stick figures of neither sex.

    This gives a whole new meaning to "obligatory XKCD".

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    1. Re:Stick figures? by One+Monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      obligatory XKCD http://xkcd.com/434/

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  5. Won't Stop Everyone by Iskender · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From now on proper terrorists will put their weapons/bombs up their butts. Unless something has changed this should still get past the scanners without a problem.

    Not that anyone seems to be very interested in bombing planes these days.

  6. Who in the Aussie government got the kickback? by schwit1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The EU banned these contraptions due to unsafe radiation.

    1. Re:Who in the Aussie government got the kickback? by tgd · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are two kinds of body scanners -- XRay and terahertz. EU banned the former, not the latter.

      The picture in the article is a terahertz machine. That's what L-3 makes.

  7. Re:I always wanted to go to Australia by g0bshiTe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of course you could still fly to NZ and perhaps take a cruise ship the rest of the way, just saying if you really wanted to go without a full body scan.

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  8. Sterilization by concealment · · Score: 5, Informative

    The radiation used in the scanners might also sterilize us.

    That way not only does the world learn that you have a miniscule penis, but they also know it's no longer a working one.

  9. Re:Why? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    The whole damned island is a penal colony inhabited by venomous everything and criminals! Obviously no amount of Security is too much!

  10. Full on by retech · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had the "privilege" of going through the Sydney international hub quite a few times over the past 5 years. I'm a US citizen. I've been to Australia quite a few times the first of which was 1989. Back then I noticed that my accent and demeanor got me a lot of very friendly greetings, people assumed I was Canadian. I learned it was in my interest to not correct them.

    Flying in and out of Sydney of late I noticed that a large number of Non-Aussies were getting pulled from the international line for "random" security pat downs. In each case the guards were very verbal about letting us know it was only random. But I don't think so. I had a 3 hr layover on one flight so I parked myself up in the food court which has a perfect view of the security check points for this area. And in 2 hrs of watching I never once saw an Aussie get a random pat down on an international flight. On the return flight I had the same layover and repeated my observation with the exact results. I even went so far as to get prepped for the patdown while in line. When they pulled me I was ready and the guard asked me why. I said: "You pull all the foreigners out, so I just wanted to speed this up." He protested saying it was random and I told him random does not equal 100%.

    Time and time again I've been told by Aussie and Kiwi friends that the US military companies are in bed with the Aussie gov't and are selling paranoia at at premium. This news only solidifies that for me and confirms that I'll never return to Oz again. I just hope that Aotearoa remains a bastion of pacific sanity.

  11. Re:new meaning to down under by slyrat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Now will they have pat downs as well?

    I have to wonder about this too. Depending on the way the scans are done I'm sure that there will be medical reasons some people won't be able to go through the scanner. The ones in the US force me to not go through the scanner because I'm type one diabetic and have an insulin pump / real time blood glucose sensor. I find it hard to believe that all cases will be covered as far as medical equipment and safety of the scanners.

  12. Very disappointing by agwadude · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is very disappointing, especially after the EU passed strict body scanner regulations, which both banned X-ray scanners and required passengers be allowed to opt-out of non-X-ray scanners. Germany scrapped all body scanners, not just because of the health concerns, but because they actually don't work . I know someone who accidentally took his pocket knife through security and the body scanner didn't detect it. These things aren't making anyone safer: between the decreased effectiveness and the cancer risk, they're actually making flying more dangerous.

  13. Re:I always wanted to go to Australia by Hatta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why would you go to Australia when you're already in New Zealand?

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  14. Re:Why? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As I posted further up in the comments, this is due to requirements laid down by the US for all flights to the US or that go via US airspace - Australia are just making it easy for themselves and setting it as a standard for all flights.

    As an aside, Im not sure why Australia are getting all the attention - I flew back from Uganda on Friday and hit Schipol just as the snows started. In Schipol they have full body scanners at all gates, and also between the Schengen zone countries and non-Schengen zone countries terminals - as my flight was cancelled, I ended up going through about 20 of them in a 24 hour period, several times asking for a patdown instead (when they were having problems with the scanner) and being refused.

  15. Re:I always wanted to go to Australia by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, you could go by cargo ship. It's about the same price as flying, sometimes less, takes longer. Meals are almost always included, some require you to bring your own food or pay on ship. But it's a hell of a lot of fun, most of the time the crew is pretty decent having someone new on board and don't mind showing people around, or even having someone else to do things with. You can get private, shared cabins or crew bunks.

    You'll still have to do port of entry calls and all that, but it will save you from having to go through the airport and the scanners. I did a trip from Halifax to Panama and back for round trip $400 back in '03ish on two different Maersk cargo ships. I stayed a week in Panama and returned. If you want to experience something unique, try it.

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  16. millimetre wave body scanner by edxwelch · · Score: 4, Informative

    They're using millimetre wave body scanners, so no ionising radiation.
    http://www.ausbt.com.au/australian-airports-to-get-millimetre-wave-body-scanners

  17. John Pilger: Australia remains a colony by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Australia remains a colony in all but name. Australian intelligence agencies are, in effect, branches of the main office in Washington. The Australian military has played a regular role as US mercenary. When prime minister Gough Whitlam tried to change this in 1975 and secure Australia's partial independence, he was dismissed by a governor-general using archaic "reserve powers" who was revealed to have intelligence connections.

    WikiLeaks has given Australians a rare glimpse of how their country is run. In 2010, leaked US cables disclosed that key government figures in the Labor Party coup that brought Julia Gillard to power were "protected" sources of the US embassy: what the CIA calls "assets". Kevin Rudd, the prime minister she ousted, had displeased Washington by being disobedient, even suggesting that Australian troops withdraw from Afghanistan.

    In the wake of her portentous rise ascent to power, Gillard attacked WikiLeaks as "illegal" and her attorney-general threatened to withdraw Assange's passport. Yet the Australian Federal Police reported that Assange and WikiLeaks had broken no law. Freedom of information files have since revealed that Australian diplomats have colluded with the US in its pursuit of Assange. This is not unusual. The government of John Howard ignored the rule of law and conspired with the US to keep David Hicks, an Australian citizen, in Guantanamo Bay, where he was tortured. Australia's principal intelligence organisation, ASIO, is allowed to imprison refugees indefinitely without explanation, prosecution or appeal.
    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3806462.html

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