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Proposed Law Would Give DHS Power Over Privately Owned IT Infrastructure

CelticWhisper writes "H.R. 3674, the Promoting and Enhancing Cybersecurity and Information Sharing Effectiveness Act (PRECISE Act), would allow the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to require improved security practices from those businesses managing systems whose disruption could prove detrimental to critical life-sustaining or national-security initiatives." As the article points out, this is just "one of 30 or so such bills currently percolating on the Hill."

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  1. Please tell me why.... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Republicans all scream for "smaller government" yet they happily sign any bill that gives away rights to the Gubment for "fighting TERRORISIM"

    Bunch of hypocrites they all are.

    It seems that nothing but evil comes out of washington DC anymore.

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    1. Re:Please tell me why.... by MitchDev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Republicans have NEVER been for smaller government actually, they just want THEIR rules in place, rather the ones the Democrats want.

    2. Re:Please tell me why.... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, are Democrats like the Obama-led White house or the Obama-appointee-led DHS against this bill?

    3. Re:Please tell me why.... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They claim to respect privacy and free speech, do they not?

    4. Re:Please tell me why.... by ciggieposeur · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Where were you during the Clipper chip fiasco? CALEA? The Phil Zimmermann trial?

      That was Clinton.

  2. Not sure which side I fall on in this by Brad1138 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even as a Democrat, I am getting very tired of our ever expanding Government. However, requiring critical systems like power and transportation etc... to have upgraded security is kind of a no-brainer.

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    1. Re:Not sure which side I fall on in this by fish+waffle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thin edge of the wedge here is in the definition of a "critical system". Things important to sustaining lives and ensuring national security make sense from a high-level perspective, but the grey areas around that can be extended to fit the goals of whoever is in control of the definition.

  3. Telling idiots what they want to hear... by earls · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is how you win elections.

    1. Re:Telling idiots what they want to hear... by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And then enacting policies to dumb people down over an extended period of time. Often spanning many many generations. Eventually to the point where they depend on an oppressive government.

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    2. Re:Telling idiots what they want to hear... by Aryden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By denying them access to information. Censor the internet and how much shared knowledge do you think would be lost? FOI, anything the government says affects national security can be denied, what happens when everything is denied? Give them control of the tubes and what happens? Oh we suspected an imminent attack and closed the Dora on the net for 24 hours, that just happens to coincide with a large protest against some government action. There is a finite amount of power that should be shared between a people and its government, the governments are always trying to take a bigger piece of that pie.

    3. Re:Telling idiots what they want to hear... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At least on Big Bang Theory you can hear a quick synopsis of Schredinger's Cat thought experiment, watch them bounce a laser off the moon, use the power of the internet to turn their lights on and off or have a robotic hand give them a pack of soy sauce (among other things).

      What does one get from Biggest Loser? Don't eat so much and get off your fat ass?

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      We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    4. Re:Telling idiots what they want to hear... by element-o.p. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ever hear the phrase "Bread and Circuses?" Give people entertainment so that they stop paying attention to what's going on around them. Target the entertainment to the lowest common denominator so people get out of the habit of thinking. That's a start.

      Next, ask yourself, "Who provides the education in this country?" "Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it." I'd wager that if you walked out on the streets today and interviewed a hundred people, you could count on one hand the number of people who could give a rough description of each of the first ten Constitutional amendments. Maybe ten of those hundred people could tell you about the first five. I doubt half of them would know that the Bill of Rights and those ten amendments are the same thing. I suspect you would be hard-pressed to find probably a single person who could tell you what the Magna Carta was, why it was important and in what country it was written. All of these are incredibly important, but almost none of it is taught in school any more. I'll be honest; the only reason I know enough to mention these things is because of my eighth grade history teacher. We touched on these subjects in my high school and college courses, but Mr. Fox was the only teacher who actually thought they were important enough to emphasize them in his class. Most of my high school classmates were so freaking naive that I had arguments with them that ended with them saying something like, "But we're the good guys. Our government would never do that to us" at which point I usually just walked away.

      So, yeah. Dumbing down. It's real, and it's happening. We may know more about technology, and we may know a lot more about Brittney Spears and Lady Gaga than previous generations knew about their celebrities, but this country is dangerously ignorant of its history. And it's starting to bite us in the butt.

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  4. Regardless of your stance on big/small government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    does the DHS even have the necessary expertise in IT security ?

  5. Who is going to decide what "improved" means? by atchijov · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So now instead of pitching your IT security related technology to the customer (competing with other vendors), you just need to get really good friends in DHS and they will mandate use of your tehnology?

  6. Overdue by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is really overdue and your a fool if you think it isn't inevitable. We accept regulation for critical infrastructure like electricity and gas distribution. Why should IT be any different than any other piece of infrastructure?

    I've worked with ITIL, SOX, HIPAA, SEC and a number of other regulations or standards for years. They are also largely similar in what they require, once you learn one the others are a quick learning curve. Mostly they are nothing more than attempt to codify best practices that you should be following anyways.

    It's like the rail companies that cried foul when regulations required that they install safe coupling mechanisms in the 1800's. The railroads cried foul at the new expenses until they discovered that the regulations ended up saving more in labor than they can cost in parts.

    1. Re:Overdue by na1led · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is not the same thing is a million ton of steel hurdling toward you at 60 mph. No one's lives are at stake here, and the Internet has been working fine without Governments interfering. Besides, it's the responsibility of businesses and individuals to secure their own network or computers; it's not the Government's responsibility. What's next, they come to my home and tell me my computer is not secure? It's totally BS!

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  7. What qualifications ... by Anomalyst · · Score: 3, Insightful

    does DHS have for doing this? Despite flushing billions of our tax dollars paying Hamburger University dropouts for irradiating and/or groping the American public with not a single no-so-scarist being caught. As effective as the crystal my dotty Aunt wears around her neck to keep them away and far cheaper. The U.S. gov cant event get their own house in order IT security-wise as department after department fail their audits and fail to meet their mandates, How effective can they be trying to remotely administrate the IT infrastructure of independent businesses/institutions? There is absolutely no evidence that the have the expertise or management skills to perform this function.

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  8. Yet another stupid bacronym by Turken · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is it with politicians insisting on giving their bills the most inane titles possible, just to spell out some mildly related acronym? We're electing and paying these people to write LEGISLATION, not commercial branding!

  9. This bill is good for businesses... by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now that I have your attention listen to my argument before you mod...

    Regulations provide businesses with cover when sorting goes wrong. The argument goes "we did exactly what the rules required so we can't be liable for what happened;" and thus making an argument for mitigating the cost (to them) of the damages.

    In addition, regulations add to the cost of doing business, helping shield companies from too many competitors by raising the barriers to entry.

    The only "bad" regulation is one that makes it hard for a company to make more profits or opens them up to additional liability.

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  10. How it's going to shake out... by ElVee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm in one of these "critical" industries that will be most likely be included under the benevolent government security umbrella provided by this bill. I've gotten pretty good at predicting how our loving, caring government is likely to respond to this type of challenge, to wit:

    After a competitive bid involving only Cisco, Oracle and Microsoft, they will likely hire Cisco, Oracle and Microsoft to tell them what's needed. Unsurprisingly, the solution will include the requirement to purchase lots of expensive products from Cisco, Oracle and Microsoft.

    This new regulatory function will obviously need oversight by the government. The government will expand (bloat?) the bureacracy by hiring an excessivly large number of underqualified, overpaid people to monitor compliance with their byzantine rules, which will constantly change to suit their whims. There will be minor incidents, which will be blamed on laziness and non-compliance by the industry. More regulations will be drafted, new equipment will be purchased and the bureacracy will expand even further.

    At that point, we commence the never-ending circle of more regulation, more money paid to a select group of "certified" vendors and the unceasing growth of the bureacracy.

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  11. You can't really vote them out any more. by Medievalist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If both parties don't start working together eventually the american people will kick all the lazy bastards in congress out.

    Voting machines have effectively eliminated any pretense of public control over government. Your choices are limited to the corporate-approved labels on the buttons.

    And no matter what buttons you push, the tallies from the voting machines will say what the controllers of the voting machines want them to say. You have no way to check the validity of those tallies so they are incredibly unlikely to be valid - there's too much power at stake for such an obvious control point to be left uncorrupted.

    Lately some states don't even bother to count write-in ballots any more, and most of them are looking into removing the write-in option from their machines.

    We're leaving the Republic stage and entering the Imperial era. If we keep following the classical pattern, the next step is civil war, although hopefully long after you and I are both dead.

    "That's not the way the world really works anymore," [Rove] continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actorsâ¦and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."