What Scorpions Have To Teach Aircraft Designers

First time accepted submitter elloGov writes "The north African desert scorpion, Androctonus australis, is a hardy creature. Most animals that live in deserts dig burrows to protect themselves from the sand-laden wind. Not Androctonus; it usually toughs things out at the surface. Yet when the sand whips by at speeds that would strip paint away from steel, the scorpion is able to scurry off without apparent damage thanks to the unique structure of its carapace. Dr Han Zhiwu of Jilin University and colleagues have found that surface irregularities based on the scorpion's exoskeleton could substantially minimize atmospheric dust damage to aircraft."

Comments

Scorpions

[Anonymous Coward]

They teach aircraft designers that "Rock You Like A Hurricane" fits perfectly at air shows.

Re:Scorpions

[Anonymous Coward]

Plus, the Scorpions are really good with the Winds of Change. Really, we should have suspected that they've got special wind issues.

Re:Scorpions

[Anonymous Coward]

Think outside the box too... Future moon/martian rovers. The moon's dust is apparently abrasive as sandpaper, and no doubt Mars dust devils are similar.

And forget just aircraft, just ride a bike in the wind and rain... downhill... and you'll know just how painful it is. Any advancement in dust/impact damage can also be applied to cars.

That would be cool...

[Gavin Scott]

...if scorpions could fly.

G.

Re:That would be cool...

[fightinfilipino]

no, no it would NOT be cool if scorpions could fly D:

Re:That would be cool...

[Anonymous Coward]

According to Revelation 9 there will one day be something like flying scorpions.

Re:That would be cool...

[Anonymous Coward]

Scary thing is with billions of different species on this planet THERE IS LIKELY ALREADY A FLYING SCORPION. Ok I just scared myself into never going out again.

Re:That would be cool...

[Anonymous Coward]

[snip] Ok I just scared myself into never going out again.

And if you are anything like me, that did not really change your life radically

Re:That would be cool...

[Anonymous Coward]

I think they are called hornets, or wasps.

Re:That would be cool...

[iamhassi]

...if scorpions could fly.

G.

Exactly. How exactly does the scorpion using bumps on their skin to be less aerodynamic apply to airplanes? Planes already exist with "shark skin" texture to reduce drag, there was even a Mythbusters episode about it.

And why does the wikipedia article read exactly like this news story? "Androctonus australis is a hardy North African desert scorpion. Unlike Most other animals that live in deserts, Androctonus does not dig burrows to protect itself from a sandstorm. Instead, it can withstand sandstorms powerful enough to strip paint off steel, without any apparent damage."

Really? That's the best first three sentences for a encyclopedia entry of this creature? Other animals include a detailed description and locations they are found. Strange that the Wikipedia entry was created just 6 days ago.

Methinks slashdot and the economist has been duped by this "first time accepted submitter" elloGov

Re:That would be cool...

[Anonymous Coward]

timestamps are an harsh mistress

Re:That would be cool...

[Anonymous Coward]

Frigging prophets can't tell the difference between helicopters and locusts with scorpion tails.. ;)

Re:That would be cool...

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually look at the similarity between wasps and scorpions. They have similar features and very similar venom compounds. So they sort of already exist. Except for if you played wasteland.

Re:That would be cool...

[radtea]

Methinks slashdot and the economist has been duped by this "first time accepted submitter" elloGov

Who cleverly used the well-known ruse of creating a story that relates a biological system to an engineering system, which for some reason despite being one of the most common patterns of engineering inspiration for centuries gets reported as if it was new and interesting every few months on /. and in the rest of the technology press.

It's like seeing stories that say, "The average spreadsheet user tabulates data, so Microsoft was inspired to come up with an improvement to Excel that made it easier to tabulate data by looking at what people who use their software actually do."

Who wouldn't expect software developers to get inspiration from user behaviours? Who wouldn't expect mechanical engineers to get inspiration from nature? I don't know what the answer to the former question is, but the answer to the latter is certainly "Only people who have being paying no attention whatsoever to what engineers have been doing for the last several hundred years." Why there are so many people like that reading technology news today is unclear.

What about drag

[Anonymous Coward]

A lot of work has been done lately on getting very smooth aerodynamic surfaces, because when you promote laminar flow, you can get very significant decreases in drag. Wouldn't this additional surface roughness mess that up?

Re:What about drag

[Narcocide]

I'm not sure but I think, not necessarily. They add dimples to golf balls to increase their flight distance and straighten their flight trajectories specifically to disrupt laminar flow, because over a sphere, turbulent flow actually can work better, if the dimples are just the right size and have just the right irregularity. I don't know for sure if it can be applied to aircraft though; maybe it only works on golf balls. Reference here.

Re:What about drag

[Dinghy]

A lot of work has been done lately on getting very smooth aerodynamic surfaces, because when you promote laminar flow, you can get very significant decreases in drag. Wouldn't this additional surface roughness mess that up?

This is pretty much dead on. The reduced erosion is due to air flow disruption, which is definitely going to cause additional drag.

Re:What about drag

[berashith]

Mythbusters did it to a car, and increased gas mileage. This was just using clay. If someone used decent materials, there is likely a huge gain to be had in performance. Of course, the surfaces on a plane NEED to interact with the air, so too much disturbance may not be a good thing.

Re:What about drag

[Tastecicles]

Doesn't seem to affect the flight characteristics of the F117A Nighthawk any... they use reinforced carbon-carbon laminate (which has a rough profile when the resin substrate sets) on its flight surfaces, not just for its physical properties (lightweight, immensely strong and very flexible), but also because that rough surface disperses RADAR and gives a fifty thousand pound strike aircraft the RADAR signature of a sparrow.

Re:What about drag

[plover]

Actually, breaking up the surface is a well known technique for reducing drag. I know a company that makes a very finely etched plastic laminate for applying to the hulls of racing schooners specifically to reduce drag. It wasn't modeled on biomimetic material ( as far as I know) but it's the same idea.

Of course their current laminates wouldn't withstand dust. They're made for water.

Re:What about drag

[Anonymous Coward]

bullshit, air flow disruption doesn't have to cause additional drag, if the object can pull a pocket of air behind it it actually reduces drag

Re:What about drag

[Anonymous Coward]

It doesn't? The F-117 can't even fly without a computer constantly making tiny adjustments. I'm not kidding either, it would literally crash if you tried to fly it manually. It's a flying brick.

Re:What about drag

[Anonymous Coward]

When I was young a friend of mine, an aviation mechanic once told me the properties of how a plane flies. He then proceeded to say the armed forces ignore that and use the philosophy "put enough power behind it, anything can fly"

Re:What about drag

[mercnet]

Surface roughness can be used to transition the boundary layer from a laminar to a turbulent flow. Early separation on an airfoil causes an increase in drag. You can trip the flow with surface roughness, suction/blowing, trip wire, etc to make it turbulent and repair the separation.

Now relating to the article I am guessing they have a turbulent boundary layer which is why sand particles are being sucked in and slammed against the blade. Having a laminar BL would prevent sand from entering it?

Re:What about drag

[butalearner]

There are a few types of drag, but for now let's just consider skin friction drag and pressure drag. For a smooth sphere the size golf ball, pressure drag (or wake drag, caused by the flow separation), is significantly higher than the skin friction because the surface area of the sphere is so small. The dimples introduce turbulence in the boundary layer (increasing skin friction) in order to delay flow separation (significantly reducing wake drag).

For an airplane, however, this situation is reversed. The surface area is enormous, and since the shapes of the wings and the fuselage are such that they delay flow separation as long as possible, the skin friction drag is significantly higher than the wake drag. Introducing dimples will decrease wake drag like a golf ball, but it will increase the skin friction more, causing a net increase in drag.

Re:What about drag

[TapeCutter]

I recall reading a similar thing about the surface of a yatch hull being made to resemble "rough" shark skin. The ineventor claimed that a surface with a bit of roughness has less drag than a smooth surface and that evolution had done a very good job of optimising a sharks surface to minimze its drag.

Re:What about drag

[I(rispee_I(reme]

They add dimples to golf balls to increase their flight distance and straighten their flight trajectories specifically to disrupt laminar flow, because over a sphere, turbulent flow actually can work better, if the dimples are just the right size and have just the right irregularity.

National Geographic's "Ultimate Crocodile" has a segment where the surface of a crocodile's skin is found to have similar properties. Seems that a fish's reaction time is more than sufficient to avoid a croc's bite if the fish is alerted. A cast of a crocodile head was used in a tank to measure the way water flows around a crocodile in motion, and it was proven that the bumpy irregularities on the crocodile's skin produce lower water pressure and the crocodile's body and help it maintain stealth.

I can't find the clip, but it's referenced here.

Re:What about drag

[Tastecicles]

the Nighthawk is designed, like the F-16 Falcon, to be unstable in flight. That is what gives it the important characteristic of being able to turn on a dime hence makes it ideal for close proximity combat flying as well as improved avoidance of eg missiles, cannon shells. Such instability cannot be corrected in real time by a pilot who also has the usual other shit to do in the cockpit like watch where he's going, keep a bead on the RADAR, make flight decisions... it would be far too much of a distraction and besides, if he *could* think that fast he'd be teaching Hawking. That's why instead of a copilot they have a somewhat lighter computer dedicated to maintaining trim.

Re:What about drag

[wvmarle]

In this scorpion-skin situation I wouldn't be surprised if the surface drag is reduced.

Two reasons. The first is that the skin reduces erosion by the sand, which implies to me that the sand is kept away from the skin, again suggesting a thicker boundary layer, and that may decrease drag forces.

The second reason: the shark skin effect. A while ago there were these shark skin swimsuits, purportedly increasing the performance of swimmers by reducing surface drag. The shape of a shark (and most fish) are similar to aircraft in that they are highly streamlined and have little wake, making surface drag again dominant. If that works in water, it could also work in air.

Anyway it sounds like a straightforward experiment to test this: create two identical shapes (ball, wing, whatever), one with a polished surface and one with a dimpled/scratched surface, and put both in a wind tunnel. With or without sand.

Re:What about drag

[naranek]

Do you mean African or European sparrow?

Re:What about drag

[Tastecicles]

that's not important. A better question would have been, "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

Re:What about drag

[crutchy]

rough surface increase drag, but it also energizes the airflow to make it less prone to separation at higher angles of attack

some aircraft have devices on the wings that "trip" the boundary layer of the airflow towards the trailing edge of the wing so that the flap angle can be increased further than would otherwise be possible without stalling

rough surfaces or boundary layer tripping devices (wires, vortex generator fins, etc) can permit huge lift/drag ratios, which are essential for large aircraft during landing

Re:What about drag

[crutchy]

at supersonic speeds (the nighthawk's max speed is only Mach 0.92, but at that speed the local airspeed over the upper surface of the wing would be transonic), things get a bit iffy. subsonic aerodynamics don't work at transonic and supersonic speeds. you get normal and oblique shockwaves, and supersonic nozzles behave like subsonic diffusers and vice versa. sharp corners produce less drag and heat than smoothly curving surfaces

Re:What about drag

[crutchy]

apart from roads etc of course

Re:What about drag

[J-1000]

Mythbusters actually did an episode where they covered a car (much bigger than a golf ball, of course) in golfball-like dimples. Much to their surprise, it increased the gas mileage. Do you know how to explain that? You seem to know what you are talking about.

Re:What about drag

[Anonymous Coward]

Foundations of our bumpular, wide cross sectional legal system based on a customary laws from the Northern Italy.

Re:What about drag

[Mana Mana]

> causing a net increase in drag

Forgive me, but, kindly qualify that with an "I think so, " would you please. You just don't know it's so empirically; less certitude.

Tangentially, what this article's noted observation reminds me of is rice cooker paddles. That's right, rice ladle spoons. Some time not too long ago, a decade maybe? someone realized that if you added dimples to the plastic injection moldings so as to render a cooker ladle spoon with large protruding dimples on it---sort of like a golf ball's dimples in reverse, convex instead of concave---that magically wet, starchy, goopy rice just would not stick, foul, accrete to your ladle spoon! I though it was the cat's miao! first time I saw it.

I have the feeling that some sort of analog is occurring here vis-a-vis this new observation on A. australis.

Re:What about drag

[ToddInSF]

Except that this is on a microscopic level, the drag you assume is there interacting with that boundary layer of air isn't the same thing as the macro level sized dimples on a golfball. The friction you assume is there is based on a much larger texture; air is not stiff carpeting or velcro, it does not behave like a solid, it behaves more like a fluid. This suggests the reality is the opposite of your many assumptions.

Re:What about drag

[Anonymous Coward]

They should do one on Alzheimer's.

Re:What about drag

[Ihmhi]

Hurm... I have a crazy idea...

Anyone have a VW Golf and a ball peen hammer they're willing to part with?

Re:What about drag

[dave420]

That's hardly scientific. Maybe the temperature changed, or the wind, or the driver's style, or whatever. One TV experiment does not good science make.

Re:What about drag

[Anonymous Coward]

Mythbusters did it to a car, and increased gas mileage. This was just using clay. If someone used decent materials, there is likely a huge gain to be had in performance. Of course, the surfaces on a plane NEED to interact with the air, so too much disturbance may not be a good thing.

Yes, but not the entire surface. The wing has important interactions, the fuselage is mostly drag (which is why 'flying wings' are considered the most efficient plane design).

Re:What about drag

[AB3A]

Aircraft designers call these Vortex Generators. Their purpose is to disrupt the laminar airflow. This helps the air streams to "stick" to the wing, improving control responsiveness and lowering stall speeds. The difference can be quite noticeable with some airfoil shapes, or almost unmeasurable in others, so one doesn't see them on all aircraft.

But what the article discusses here is NOT a vortex generator or anything of that ilk. It seems to be some sort groove that can mitigate the scratching caused by abrasives in the air stream. It might be interesting to see if such grooves could be integrated with Vortex Generators to improve not only wing performance but also longevity against abrasives, such as a dust or sand storm.

Re:What about drag

[myowntrueself]

That's hardly scientific. Maybe the temperature changed, or the wind, or the driver's style, or whatever. One TV experiment does not good science make.

Mythbusters is to science as pro-wrestling is to sport.

Re:What about drag

[realityimpaired]

That's hardly scientific. Maybe the temperature changed, or the wind, or the driver's style, or whatever. One TV experiment does not good science make.

Nope, but before they did the "full scale" experiment, they did a small scale with a model car in a flow tank, with controlled temperature, and "wind" speed/direction. When they added dye to the flow, they saw that the "golf ball" car had a smaller eddy behind the car, which translates to less drag.

I agree that the Mythbusters aren't exactly a definitive scientific resource, but sometimes they actually do their due diligence and it gets cut because it doesn't make for good TV entertainment.

That being said, a divot is not the same as a bump, and the aerodynamics may be different. They do use a shark skin-like covering on some airplanes and boats to reduce drag, though, so there could still be some merit.

Re:What about drag

[Anonymous Coward]

http://xkcd.com/397/

Re:What about drag

[LWATCDR]

you could add them starting at the transition point back on the airframe. Actually more than a few aircraft use vortex generators to already do this. It is usually a fix or is used where the extra lift is more important than the extra drag.

That is the big issue here. The last place you would want to add "bumps" to an airframe is the leading edge of the wing, props, turbines, and or rotors.
I can see the look on a gas turbine designers face now....

Re:What about drag

[Will.Woodhull]

And your point is... what, exactly?

Most things that fly require a computer to constantly make tiny adjustments. Try throwing a dead duck, and observing its aerodynamic qualities.

The F-117 might well be a "flying brick"-- but that is a term that describes an oversized power plant used to compensate for bad aerodynamics and has nothing to do with management of the control surfaces. There is nothing inherently bricky about fly-by-wire aircraft. Now that we have the capability to build computer controlled aircraft, we can begin to evolve our airplanes beyond the limitations of aerodynamic static stability and consider airplanes that know how to reshape their wings to match current conditions, etc. Birds manage incredibly tight turns because they reduce the stall speed of the inside wing while simultaneously reducing the drag of the outside wing. We should see UAVs that are capable of doing the same RSN.

Re:What about drag

[Medievalist]

Norbert Weiner's dinghies beg to differ.

Seriously.

Re:What about drag

[Anonymous Coward]

Sure! But I would need the hammer back.

Re:What about drag

[LynnwoodRooster]

Turbulence at the surface, micro-level actually promotes macro-level laminar flow by allowing a "buffer zone" of air to form. You end up with less total volume of air in turbulence, and more in laminar flow - less drag.

Re:What about drag

[LeanSystems]

But this article is talking about bumps of 4mm. That would have to be done with the metal skin. And that sounds like a stress riser. Jets have already had enough trouble with the skin fatigue.... adding stress risers throughout seems like a bad idea.

If everyone could afford the coating and it could have that big of "bumps", it might be feasible.

Re:What about drag

[Tastecicles]

I would imagine it would be something similar to shark skin. Run your hand from head to tail on a shark, and it's practically frictionless, run it the other way and you'll strip the skin off your hand before you get six inches. Now put the shark skin on the shell of an aircraft. Trailing edges of the scales (irregularities) create areas of differential pressure that deflect particles and prevent damage to the hard surface - or in the case of a shark, actually reduces hydrostatic pressure around the mass hence reducing the energy required to propel the fish through a substance that's 1200 times the density of air. If you run the skin the other direction, you'll have serious problems - turning a FBW into a powered brick which no amount of computer control would be able to correct.

Back to the golf ball thing, something I remember reading somewhere a while ago: distances covered in power drives haven't changed much over the past 40 or so years. You're still looking at between 270-290 yards. What's changed is the effort required to hit to the same distance consistently - it's reduced. Why? Lighter clubs, better ball design. Pro golfers, particularly power drivers, are considerably less fit than they used to be. Disclaimer: I used to blat golf balls around a 12-hole course off hours, my longest shot was 160 yards and I am SHIT at golf. I have trouble sinking a green shot from six feet!

Re:What about drag

[mvdwege]

Most obvious explanation would be a decrease of the drag coefficient (Cw). That is a known technique in automobile design to reduce fuel consumption.

I haven't seen that particular episode, but if their experiment led to a signifcantly decreased drag coefficient, then yes, that would indeed work.

Mart

Re:What about drag

[myowntrueself]

lol flamebait?

Pro-wrestling is 'sports entertainment'.

Mythbusters is 'science entertainment'

Scorpions..?

[stenno]

Is it about changing winds...?

The Scorpion and the Frog

[afabbro]

So there was this scorpion that wanted to cross a river...

So there was this 747 that wanted to cross an ocean...

Not to mention...

[owenferguson]

...that they would just look fuckin' bad-ass!

Re:Not to mention...

[evil_aaronm]

In addition to that, we're moody, and jealously guard what's ours. Do not piss off scorpios; we also hold grudges - forever. But we're unbelievably good looking and make awesome sex partners, if we feel like it. Incompatible with Cancer, those fucking dip-wads...

Re:Not to mention...

[I(rispee_I(reme]

In addition to the fine qualities you listed, we Scorpios are also too smart to believe in astrology.

Re:Not to mention...

[owenferguson]

Actually, I'm also a Scorpio, and my wife is a cancer. Every astrologer I've talked to says that cancer is the 2nd most compatible sign for a Scorpio (Pisces is the first)

so what about drag?

[CrimsonAvenger]

What effect do these "surface irregularities" have on drag, and therefore on fuel use?

It would be great to cut down on dust damage, but not at the expense of making every flight more costly...

Re:so what about drag?

[Narcocide]

Golf balls have dimples...

Re:so what about drag?

[Tastecicles]

My guess would be (disclaimer: I am not an aerodynamicist) that surface irregularities of a certain size proportional to the overall aerodynamic characteristic would not affect it - much unlike the golf ball. Those turbulent areas immediately aft those dimples form a static bubble of high or low pressure (depending on the vector and position of the dimple relative to the centre of mass) which cause the desired effect. In a Stealth aircraft those irregularities are designed to not affect the aerodynamic behaviour in any way: what they do, is to reduce the RADAR signature of the aircraft, hence their size is calculated for maximum RADAR dispersion. We're talking bumps, curves and ridges of less than 1/64" high. Barely enough to detect even with bare fingertips.

On the other hand, you can make a brick fly. Look at the Rockwell Constellation series space shuttle orbiters.

Re:so what about drag?

[Anonymous Coward]

I've done academic wind tunnel research specializing in boundary layer flows. What happens is that the skin friction losses that occur as fluids (gases and liquids) flow around a body reduce the total energy that the flow has to overcome the adverse pressure gradient on the aft side.

An intuitive physical analogy would be dropping a ball bearing on a half pipe. In ideal (energy conserving) physics modelling the ball bearing would not lose potential or kinetic energy and would reach the same height on the opposite side of the half pipe, but with losses the bearing will only make it part way. The same thing happens, to flow around blunt bodies and airfoils at high angles of attack, essentially the curvature is such that the flow 'sees' a steep wall to climb (adverse pressure gradient) which it does not have the energy to overcome, this is the onset of separation.

Boundary layer management uses vortex creating features that ideally reach just past the laminar boundary layer (relatively orderly tangential flow) into the higher energy freestream, creating mixing and turbulence so that the boundary layer does not separate. The height and location of such devices depend on Reynolds number (think of it as ratio of inertial to viscous forces), as higher Reynolds number flows have more momentum to recover from skin friction losses, separation becomes less of an issue. This is why airplanes are not golf-ball textured, they operate at Re > 10^7 most of the time, meaning inertial forces are much greater than viscous forces.

Re:so what about drag?

[dave420]

Golf balls are usually a rather different size and shape to aircraft...

Re:so what about drag?

[LWATCDR]

umm no.
stealth aircraft do not use bumps to disperse radar. The coating uses electrical properties to reduce the radar signal not physical shape. The airframes physical shape does with things like faceting and sawtooth edges. Also the Shuttle really was not a "brick" as many people like to call it. It flew very well at hypersonic speeds. At approach speed with out power it's L/D ratio was bad but probably no worse than most other high speed aircraft like fighter jets or the SR-71. It was probably a good bit better than the F-104 in an engine out landing.

Next source of inspiration

[exploder]

UFO's have been using the "disk" design for decades, now engineers are looking at scorpions. Clearly, "black flap" technology is the logical next step.

Re:Next source of inspiration

[Anonymous Coward]

As the AC that tried to make a meme of that silly story by randomly trying to work in "a disk, a black flap, and a scorpion" in my comments, I found this funny and not off topic for this story.

APPLE !!

[Anonymous Coward]

Apple, apple !!

Apple, apple, appple !!

Apple, apple, appple, apple !!

APPLE !!

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Scorpions are great at exactly one thing...

[JoshDM]

...getting you over there.

Forgot the most obvious lesson

[Anonymous Coward]

Planes need a poison-tipped tail to fend of pterodactyl attacks. Until they get one of those they are simply flying coffins.

Re:Forgot the most obvious lesson

[crutchy]

life always finds a way

Material Science

[Kozz]

I wish that the phrase "material science" had been around (or more discussed?) when I was younger. This kind of thing really is amazing. I'd also seen a NOVA program in which an anti-microbial surface was created with a diamond-shaped pattern of ridges based on other things in nature (someone has seen this and can give more detail).

If I were starting much younger, I'd love to study material science. Truly amazing -- in the case of the anti-microbial surface (vs the control) they were made of the exact same material, but the shapes dramatically hindered colony growth.

Re:Material Science

[wvmarle]

This is not material science, this is aerodynamics and fluid dynamics. Material science is about the properties of the material itself: strength, flexibility, conductivity, creep, fatigue, etc, and about the processing of a material. This study is about the surface of the material; the underlying material doesn't matter much, they used metal probably simply because they are familiar with it and have the equipment to make the desired shapes out of it.

That doesn't make this study, or material science, any less interesting - but if you're interested in these surface experiments, materials science is not where you should look first.

Re:Material Science

[foniksonik]

The surface irregularities mentioned are in microns. At that scale it's entirely possible that the research and application would involve material science to a great degree. The basic theoretical simulation work? Maybe not as much. The applied science, very much.

Re:Material Science

[wvmarle]

The described experiment however was about the surface and the interaction with the air flow. How the surface irregularties were made, that was not the subject of study here. After they figure out what those dimples should look like, then the next step is indeed to talk to materials scientists on what material would be suitable and how it could be processed.

None of you twits know a damned thing, as usual

[Anonymous Coward]

Read up on Reynolds Number and educate yourselves :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_number

Re:None of you twits know a damned thing, as usual

[crutchy]

if we build an airplane as small as a scorpion, we can use cellophane for the wing because thinner wings are very efficient at low reynolds numbers

we can call it the "spruce moose"... now hop in smithers

Re:None of you twits know a damned thing, as usual

[Anonymous Coward]

furthermore... the most practical way to put this knowledge into action is obviously to grow giant scorpion exoskeletons and strap engines to them. Or just breed giant scorpions on some continent and raid their graveyard.

Re:Oblig

[jd2112]

(stewardess) Just switch from Hard Rock to the Easy Listening channel.

Shark Skin

[drainbramage]

Shark Skin is not smooth, but it has low friction in a fluid, in one direction.
I recall seeing a promo video from a company that applied such a surface to an Americas Cup boat hull.
Possibly what you are thinking of.

Re:Shark Skin

[crutchy]

the wetsuits used by olympic swimmers are apparently rough like shark skin

Re:Shark Skin

[Anonymous Coward]

I recall seeing a promo video from a company that applied such a surface to an Americas Cup boat hull.

I recall that video too; it starred Peter North doing the "laminating", right? Oh, wait, a promo video.....

Re:Shark Skin

[plover]

That sounds exactly like the stuff. It was about 10-20 years ago that they were working on it. Very cool idea.

The thing is the forces exerted on boat hulls by the water are completely different than those on a helicopter rotor blade. A big slow moving boat in dense water is not at all like a blade spinning at near the speed of sound in thin air, being hit by sharpened grains of quartz. It would take a completely different materials technology to make it work.

I'm imagining bonding a sheet of saran wrap onto a helicopter blade, but I expect the centripetal forces and wind shear would throw the stuff off at the slightest bit of damage. If a large sheet peeled off one rotor but not the other my helicopter-flying friend assures me that he would not be interested in test piloting a recovery strategy.

Casting it into the surface during manufacture would probably work well, as would etching or cutting it afterward. But I don't see a coating technology being very compatible with helicopter blades. Even paint doesn't last all that long on rotor blades.

That's one plane looking brick...

[RobinEggs]

It doesn't? The F-117 can't even fly without a computer constantly making tiny adjustments. I'm not kidding either, it would literally crash if you tried to fly it manually. It's a flying brick.

The Nighthawk was still designed as much as possible like a true airplane; it's only unstable because they couldn't build a more aerodynamic stealthy shape using only flat surfaces (they used flat surfaces because the math for radar deflection depended on computer simulations, and computers couldn't do good enough calculations for curved surfaces in the late '70s).

Calling it a brick is really quite inaccurate. It had an amazingly narrow wingspan, but it's still a plane and it still produced sufficient lift to fly straight on a reasonable power budget. It wasn't stable without computer correction, but that doesn't mean it's a brick. It's not as if they simply strapped enough rockets onto a random shape to get it airborne.

Re:That's one plane looking brick...

[butalearner]

Note that instability is actually desirable on planes like the F-117, and has been designed in since at least the F-16. The more stable a fighter jet is, the less maneuverable it will be. But also note that instability (especially spiral mode) can be mitigated by the pilot, depending on the severity and which control surfaces are available.

Re:That's one plane looking brick...

[Anonymous Coward]

Except the F-117 is a ground attack plane, not an air to air combat plane. Maneuverability is as much a priority.

You're right in general -- i.e. F-22 or F-35 but for the F-117 it was make it stealthy and damn stability.

Re:That's one plane looking brick...

[Anonymous Coward]

As long as your actuators can keep up with the instability during rapid maneuvers ... and if they can't, it will turn into a brick.

Re:That's one plane looking brick...

[Coren22]

Wouldn't it turn into a crater?

Nature does it best!

[thej1nx]

Nature usually does it best! Would that more of our scientists tried harder to get their cues from it, rather than trying to fight it or destroy it.

Big bumps

[bugs2squash]

It seems like the features they made in the steel were far larger than those on the scorpion's outer surface. I wonder why they needed to scale it up so much.

Re:Big bumps

[Anonymous Coward]

It seems like the features they made in the steel were far larger than those on the scorpion's outer surface. I wonder why they needed to scale it up so much.

Because of the speed of the aircraft.

Re:Big bumps

[Anonymous Coward]

They needed to scale it up so much due to demands placed on the engineering program by Sir Mix-a-Lot. He has given his firm assurance that he likes big bumps, and he cannot lie.

Oh, he was actually expressing his admiration for sizable posteriors? My mistake, wouldn't be the first time I got the lyrics wrong. Please excuse me, I need to use the bathroom on the right.

Re:Big bumps

[wvmarle]

My best guess: their equipment could not make it better than that.

This sounds a bit like a professor learned something interesting about how these scorpions are not affected by the sand storms, and out of curiousity tries to find out what causes it. They went for shopping in the local pet shops, got themselves a few scorpions, took samples of the armour, and went to work with that. Put it under a microscope, add UV light (both pretty standard equipment), then made a laser scan of the surface (not so standard equipment, but they likely have it for other purposes or asked another department in the university do do it for them), and then tried to recreate the surface as well as they could with their existing equipment for a sandblasting experiment.

Buying special equipment for a single experiment done out of simple curiousity is usually not worth it. You use what you have, make the best out of it, and now they have some positive, promising results that's the time to maybe find an industry partner to invest in the equipment that can make an exact replica and continue to do experiments.

Scale Effect

[Anonymous Coward]

A scorpion in a sandstorm does not necessarily translate to aircraft speeds and atmospheric dust.

(And don't think aircraft designers haven't noticed the dimples on golf balls.)

I will always love you.

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, Lucy, I guess that you received my email with the link to this. Sorry for using Slashdot, but I knew that this wouldn't get deleted.

Please don't feel sad that I decided to kill myself. It's not your fault, and I hope that you don't take it personally. I know that you are not going to have any issues at all finding anyone else. Hopefully you can find someone superior to me in every way. I just can't take the suffering anymore. I am sorry that you are suffering now. I understand that I am a coward for not sticking it out and hoping that things will get better, but I have completely lost faith. My suffering is never going to end, only get worse.

To Mel, Fuck you! I swear to god you are a greedy fuck. Why can I not get a raise for 4 years, but you get a company car, an extra week vacation, and quarterly bonuses? I live with my fucking parents now because my rent went up, but what a fucking suprise, all of my wages got gobbled up by health care and the rising cost of gas, food, electricity and medicine. Oh I know why you get all of that.. You sit in an office and fucking jack off all day, while your entire team gets fucked in the ass.. A penny saved on us is $1000 earned to you, right?

To Danielle... You fucking cunt bitch. You move out and take my cash stash, my tv and my computer. I could live with that. WHY THE FUCK DID YOU HAVE TO TAKE MY CAT?? She's my FUCKING CAT!!! I GOT HER BEFORE YOU EVEN SHOWED UP YOU FUCKING CUNT!

To everyone else at Dean's.. Just get the fuck out. I don't care how you do it. Get another job, kill youself binge drinking, I don't care.

Death is quick and painless when done properly. Living is a constant struggle.

I love you, Lucy.

Re:I will always love you.

[CrankinOut]

Dude!

Get some counseling!

Life isn't neat and tidy, and sometimes it's downright challenging. But there is usually a way to make things work.

Giving up is only cheating yourself out of you future opportunities.

Suffering is an attitude. You can choose not to suffer by changing your focus from what makes you unhappy to what makes you happy. Whatever you focus on seems to be larger.

And about the cat, remember, Dogs have masters, cats have staff.

Good luck.

Re:I will always love you.

[petman]

Dude, if you haven't yet killed yourself, here's some advice - rather than kill yourself, have you considered killing other people? I'm pretty sure it's more fun.

Re:I will always love you.

[Anonymous Coward]

You know what to do

Re:I will always love you.

[thetoadwarrior]

I've seen better trolls.

Re:I will always love you.

[RenderSeven]

So, like, Lucy is available now?

Re:I will always love you.

[Anonymous Coward]

Groveling never works and simply empowers the woman. I was even accused of rape by one I grovelled to after she came to my home with the sole purpose of fucking me as part of the toying around.

You must treat women like total shit when they put up resistance and never ever act like you give a damn they are going to leave. Because here's the thing: You will not change their mind no matter what you do. One preserves your dignity and doesn't empower her. The other forfeits your dignity and empowers her. If she particularly doesn't like you, she may try to set you up for a rape accusation (charges were dropped after a year and she has apologized for it (12 years later)).

Had I not been groveling and just stopped calling her, she'd would have been back in my bed after a week and I could have dumped her cheating ass (and fucked her little ass while I was searching for a replacement).

But I grovelled like you and was toyed with for a month until she came over and had some mercy sex with me to set me up for a rape accusation. I should have never fucked her then and should have never grovelled and should have had another woman laying with me when she came back around.

Though, I think she might have said she was raped because her new boyfriend saw her car at my house that night and she was easy to interrogate and he was probably accusing her of having sex with me left and right. She was the type that would claim I forced her and not realize the fucking can of worms, pandoras box, genie out of the fucking bottle scenario that would create (she was only 18). I have not had a chance to find out the real reason, as she apologized through my father (who coincidentally is a school teacher at the school her son goes to). I also think she may have apologized to get on his good side (though he never had her kids in his class -- he refused and the principal has no problem making sure her kid is never in her class -- obviously, her spawn would most likely accuse him of some kind of molestation -- they are just those kind of people).

Grow up, you little faggot. I've given you some fine advice that you won't get yourself for 10 more years. You sound like an 18-23 year old dork that works at a shitty restaurant named Dean's who was involved in a dumbassed love triangle between two girls with very generic names. But I think the love triangle part is entirely in your head. Danielle was using you and moved out because she got tired of your creepiness and sense of entitlement to her love because she was mooching off you. Lucy was acting interested in you because young girls like to flirt and fuck with dorks' emotions. She never wanted to be more than a friend, and you have completely creeped her out.

Also, no one gives a flying fuck. You never had a chance with any of them. And you never will have a chance until you learn how to handle women.

It used to be called metallurgy

[dbIII]

The book that interested me enough to work in materials science was "Metals in the Service of Man" by Street and Alexander which I think had it's first edition in 1954. There's updated editions to at least 1989.
It eventually was called materials science because a lot of metallurgists were working on ceramics and polymers. It's interesting stuff but just about the first sort of job against the wall when a recession comes, so I had to turn the skills I'd picked up simulating the behaviour of materials with computers into a job wrangling computers.

Re:It used to be called metallurgy

[wvmarle]

Metallurgy still exists as name, it's just part of materials science. Many people studying materials science will specialise in a family of materials such as ceramics, metallurgy or polymers.

Re:Oblig

[mjwx]

(stewardess) Just switch from Hard Rock to the Easy Listening channel.

80's hair metal is not hard rock.

Oh never mind, the system was probably designed by someone tone deaf enough to think that dubstep is music instead of modem sounds.

What about it?

[dutchwhizzman]

I don't see how dressing up a male plane to look female would help keep it's paint protected from the dust, unless you completely cover it up in pantyhose and make-up.

Re:What about it?

[Will.Woodhull]

Very punny. As punishment for that pun, imagine, if you will, the image you will now and forever more associate with "drag strip". Not the place of the loud and fast cars, but the act of a transvestite removing all his clothes.

Ewwwh. Virtual visual pollution, right here on slashdot.

Re:What about it?

[Coren22]

Oh god, my brain!

This is semi-news

[G3ckoG33k]

This is semi-news.

Similar results, even if not for abrasion, were found decades ago but for aerodynamics in general.

Microstructures in the shape of fish scale do improve aerodynamics considerbly. That it also helps abrasion is new.

Re:This is semi-news

[Anonymous Coward]

The sting of your tone clawed through my mind and poisoned the story for me.

Re:This is semi-news

[crutchy]

the term "bug smasher" has been in aircraft circles for a long time. example is the Hawker Siddeley HS 748

carbon resin not relevant

[dutchwhizzman]

What surface the carbon laminate dries as is not relevant. They put special radar-absorbing paint on top of the laminate. Also, the surface anomalies of the resin are too unpredictable to work reliably to absorb radar. The rest of the low radar profile is because the chance that an large surface is actually reflecting radar beams back exactly at the radar station is minimal if you make the surfaces as flat as possible, hence the sharp edges and "flat" surfaces of stealth design. The paint is actually not that wear resistant and hard to clean, compared to "regular" airplane paints.

oblig car reference

[dutchwhizzman]

When can I paint my car with scorpion paint? I don't want it to wear a bra in public.

How often does it molt?

[Anonymous Coward]

How often does the scorpion molt or otherwise regenerate its exoskeleton? It's a bit tricky to do that with an aircraft.

Autoregeneration?

[Claudix]

Perhaps I'm wrong but scorpions, as living beings, are supposed to be able to fix possible carapace erosion, aren't they? I mean that an aircraft with an emulated scorpion surface would also be damaged in the long run. What would be really awesome is to create some sort of material with autoregenerating properties!

Re:Autoregeneration?

[Anonymous Coward]

Exoskeletons like that have odd growth and repair compared to what you're used to. The advantage of endoskeletons is that structural damage can be more easily repaired and the surface material (skin, muscle, fat) is very easy to repair (by comparison).

I won't hypothesize about scorpion carapaces, but I will coment on a similar situation that I do know. Turtle shells have ridges on each 'scale' that can be used like tree rings (or fish scale ridges) to estimate the age of a turtle. Although there is growth where these meet each year, the surface is generally not maintained by anything. One estimate I heard is that after around 90 years a water-dwelling turtle's shell will be smooth and you cannot get a good ring-estimate.

Re:Autoregeneration?

[Claudix]

Oh, that's interesting. Thank you!

I have a friend who is a scorpio

[Air-conditioned cowh]

...and I have to admit I've never seen him suffer from atmospheric dust damage.

Sand fish

[Anonymous Coward]

A similar effect was discovered years ago for Scincus scincus, or 'sand fish', a small reptile which can 'swim' under the surface of desert sand. Its skin (although shiny) is at a microscopic level very rough, so its basically similar to the shark skin effect, which was already mentioned here, too.

link to primary reference

[FetchezLaVache]

Here's the PubMed link to the actual journal paper: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22208552

Not sure about this one...

[hesaigo999ca]

Yes their shell is good at deflecting dust particles, but does that mean that this same shell would be good for flying...? the whole concept of airplane carapace is to make sure there is no friction from the air running across it, I would like to see how the scorpions carapace would hold up in a wind tunnel made for testing airplanes.

Re:Not sure about this one...

[Anonymous Coward]

Scorpions aren't very good at flying, so it would probably fail whatever test you set it to.

as an aside: props to the contributer

[Anonymous Coward]

Well written blurb

and boats, cars and bicycles

[Anonymous Coward]

And boats (http://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-203528.html):

"Several years ago, 3M made a "fish scale" coating that was applied to the hulls of several boats competing for the America's Cup. I understand that this coating could indeed increase speed by reducing the friction between the hull and the water. The rough texture of the "fish scales" worked like millions of miniature vortex generators. A vortex generator creates a boundary layer between the surface of the solid body and the fluid (or air) that is moving around it. You might think of the eddies that are formed by these vortex generators as tiny roller bearings that reduce the friction between the surface and the moving fluid."

"tripping the boundary layer"

"A few years ago American Honda sent their riders to Japan for wind tunnel testing before the AMA Daytona 200 race. They designed custom shaped windscreens for each rider, depending on how they were able to tuck in (height and size). HRC also experimented with other areo tweaks. They had some tape that they put on the upper, on either side of the screen and an angle. I am going off of memory here, but I recall them having three of four pieces on each side. The tape was cut in a zig-zag pattern. It looked like that tape that seamstresses use when altering clothes. It supposedly made a noticeable improvement to how the air tumbled off the edges of the fairing. They had some good pictures of that on Superbikeplanet.com, but I can’t find them now."

"Racecar Engineering has an article on this exact topic in this months issue. They talk about a form of dimples being used in bicycle wheels. Dimples can be effective in certain areas, although it's a very tricky thing to make it work and it takes loads of aero testing to get actual benefit. If used correctly, they can help keep airflor laminar instead of going turbulent. Also, it's public knowledge in open-wheeled racing that there are some benefits to varying the roughness of a surface on certain panels/wings... although the details of this are closely guarded secrets. To me, it sounds like the benefits are so minor that they probably wouldn't bother if they weren't so handicapped by aerodynamic regulations, but since they are they need to eek out an advantage anywehre they can find one. Here is the intro for the article I mentioned, although you'll need to subscribe or visit your bookstore to read the entire thing http://www.racecar-engineering.com/content/feature_03.htm "

etc.

Do those scorpians hovar without flapping?

[Anonymous Coward]

...if scorpions could fly.

G.

Takes me back to a niche meme (spawned by a badly-written feature suggestion for a new alien playable class) among the Natural Selection mod community...