What Scorpions Have To Teach Aircraft Designers
First time accepted submitter elloGov writes "The north African desert scorpion, Androctonus australis, is a hardy creature. Most animals that live in deserts dig burrows to protect themselves from the sand-laden wind. Not Androctonus; it usually toughs things out at the surface. Yet when the sand whips by at speeds that would strip paint away from steel, the scorpion is able to scurry off without apparent damage thanks to the unique structure of its carapace. Dr Han Zhiwu of Jilin University and colleagues have found that surface irregularities based on the scorpion's exoskeleton could substantially minimize atmospheric dust damage to aircraft."
They teach aircraft designers that "Rock You Like A Hurricane" fits perfectly at air shows.
A lot of work has been done lately on getting very smooth aerodynamic surfaces, because when you promote laminar flow, you can get very significant decreases in drag. Wouldn't this additional surface roughness mess that up?
Is it about changing winds...?
What effect do these "surface irregularities" have on drag, and therefore on fuel use?
It would be great to cut down on dust damage, but not at the expense of making every flight more costly...
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...getting you over there.
Planes need a poison-tipped tail to fend of pterodactyl attacks. Until they get one of those they are simply flying coffins.
no, no it would NOT be cool if scorpions could fly D:
I wish that the phrase "material science" had been around (or more discussed?) when I was younger. This kind of thing really is amazing. I'd also seen a NOVA program in which an anti-microbial surface was created with a diamond-shaped pattern of ridges based on other things in nature (someone has seen this and can give more detail).
If I were starting much younger, I'd love to study material science. Truly amazing -- in the case of the anti-microbial surface (vs the control) they were made of the exact same material, but the shapes dramatically hindered colony growth.
I only post comments when someone on the internet is wrong.
(stewardess) Just switch from Hard Rock to the Easy Listening channel.
Any insufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
Shark Skin is not smooth, but it has low friction in a fluid, in one direction.
I recall seeing a promo video from a company that applied such a surface to an Americas Cup boat hull.
Possibly what you are thinking of.
No brain, no pain.
It doesn't? The F-117 can't even fly without a computer constantly making tiny adjustments. I'm not kidding either, it would literally crash if you tried to fly it manually. It's a flying brick.
The Nighthawk was still designed as much as possible like a true airplane; it's only unstable because they couldn't build a more aerodynamic stealthy shape using only flat surfaces (they used flat surfaces because the math for radar deflection depended on computer simulations, and computers couldn't do good enough calculations for curved surfaces in the late '70s).
Calling it a brick is really quite inaccurate. It had an amazingly narrow wingspan, but it's still a plane and it still produced sufficient lift to fly straight on a reasonable power budget. It wasn't stable without computer correction, but that doesn't mean it's a brick. It's not as if they simply strapped enough rockets onto a random shape to get it airborne.
It seems like the features they made in the steel were far larger than those on the scorpion's outer surface. I wonder why they needed to scale it up so much.
Nullius in verba
[snip] Ok I just scared myself into never going out again.
And if you are anything like me, that did not really change your life radically
In addition to the fine qualities you listed, we Scorpios are also too smart to believe in astrology.
The book that interested me enough to work in materials science was "Metals in the Service of Man" by Street and Alexander which I think had it's first edition in 1954. There's updated editions to at least 1989.
It eventually was called materials science because a lot of metallurgists were working on ceramics and polymers. It's interesting stuff but just about the first sort of job against the wall when a recession comes, so I had to turn the skills I'd picked up simulating the behaviour of materials with computers into a job wrangling computers.
(stewardess) Just switch from Hard Rock to the Easy Listening channel.
80's hair metal is not hard rock.
Oh never mind, the system was probably designed by someone tone deaf enough to think that dubstep is music instead of modem sounds.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
This is semi-news.
Similar results, even if not for abrasion, were found decades ago but for aerodynamics in general.
Microstructures in the shape of fish scale do improve aerodynamics considerbly. That it also helps abrasion is new.
What surface the carbon laminate dries as is not relevant. They put special radar-absorbing paint on top of the laminate. Also, the surface anomalies of the resin are too unpredictable to work reliably to absorb radar. The rest of the low radar profile is because the chance that an large surface is actually reflecting radar beams back exactly at the radar station is minimal if you make the surfaces as flat as possible, hence the sharp edges and "flat" surfaces of stealth design. The paint is actually not that wear resistant and hard to clean, compared to "regular" airplane paints.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
When can I paint my car with scorpion paint? I don't want it to wear a bra in public.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
How often does the scorpion molt or otherwise regenerate its exoskeleton? It's a bit tricky to do that with an aircraft.
Perhaps I'm wrong but scorpions, as living beings, are supposed to be able to fix possible carapace erosion, aren't they? I mean that an aircraft with an emulated scorpion surface would also be damaged in the long run. What would be really awesome is to create some sort of material with autoregenerating properties!
if we build an airplane as small as a scorpion, we can use cellophane for the wing because thinner wings are very efficient at low reynolds numbers
we can call it the "spruce moose"... now hop in smithers
...and I have to admit I've never seen him suffer from atmospheric dust damage.
Here's the PubMed link to the actual journal paper: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22208552
...if scorpions could fly.
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Exactly. How exactly does the scorpion using bumps on their skin to be less aerodynamic apply to airplanes? Planes already exist with "shark skin" texture to reduce drag, there was even a Mythbusters episode about it.
And why does the wikipedia article read exactly like this news story? "Androctonus australis is a hardy North African desert scorpion. Unlike Most other animals that live in deserts, Androctonus does not dig burrows to protect itself from a sandstorm. Instead, it can withstand sandstorms powerful enough to strip paint off steel, without any apparent damage."
Really? That's the best first three sentences for a encyclopedia entry of this creature? Other animals include a detailed description and locations they are found. Strange that the Wikipedia entry was created just 6 days ago.
Methinks slashdot and the economist has been duped by this "first time accepted submitter" elloGov
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
So, like, Lucy is available now?
Frigging prophets can't tell the difference between helicopters and locusts with scorpion tails.. ;)
Yes their shell is good at deflecting dust particles, but does that mean that this same shell would be good for flying...? the whole concept of airplane carapace is to make sure there is no friction from the air running across it, I would like to see how the scorpions carapace would hold up in a wind tunnel made for testing airplanes.
Very punny. As punishment for that pun, imagine, if you will, the image you will now and forever more associate with "drag strip". Not the place of the loud and fast cars, but the act of a transvestite removing all his clothes.
Ewwwh. Virtual visual pollution, right here on slashdot.
Will
Methinks slashdot and the economist has been duped by this "first time accepted submitter" elloGov
Who cleverly used the well-known ruse of creating a story that relates a biological system to an engineering system, which for some reason despite being one of the most common patterns of engineering inspiration for centuries gets reported as if it was new and interesting every few months on /. and in the rest of the technology press.
It's like seeing stories that say, "The average spreadsheet user tabulates data, so Microsoft was inspired to come up with an improvement to Excel that made it easier to tabulate data by looking at what people who use their software actually do."
Who wouldn't expect software developers to get inspiration from user behaviours? Who wouldn't expect mechanical engineers to get inspiration from nature? I don't know what the answer to the former question is, but the answer to the latter is certainly "Only people who have being paying no attention whatsoever to what engineers have been doing for the last several hundred years." Why there are so many people like that reading technology news today is unclear.
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Oh god, my brain!
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Actually, I'm also a Scorpio, and my wife is a cancer. Every astrologer I've talked to says that cancer is the 2nd most compatible sign for a Scorpio (Pisces is the first)