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TomTom Satnavs To Set Insurance Prices

nk497 writes "TomTom has signed a deal with an insurance firm that will see its satnavs used to monitor drivers. Fair Pay Insurance, part of Motaquote, will use monitoring systems built into the TomTom PRO 3100 to watch for sharp braking and badly managed turns, rewarding 'good' drivers with lower premiums and warning less skilled motorists when they aren't driving as they should. 'We've dispensed with generalization's and said to our customers, if you believe you're a good driver, we'll believe you and we'll even give you the benefit up front,' said Nigel Lombard of Fair Pay Insurance."

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  1. I guess it's time to say "I told you so"? by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For all those of us who keep saying that this sort of technology will be abused, and all the folks that keep saying it won't - I guess it is our turn to say "I told you so."

    My prediction, sales of this SatNav will plummet if people know that they will be monitored constantly.

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    1. Re:I guess it's time to say "I told you so"? by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wish I could have posted this further up, but this is about as high to the top as I can get.

      Doesn't everyone realize the "tom tom pro 3100" won't be able to communicate without some sort of data plan? TomTom offers plans now that will send you traffic information based upon your location but there is a yearly fee for that information. Anyone want to pay to tell the insurance company you were going 10mph over today so your premiums go up? Didn't think so.

      Having to pay hundreds for the device and then pay an additional fee for data is killing the stand-alone GPS market. Apps like waze provide GPS routing and real-time traffic information (including location of police speed-traps) for free, all you need is a smartphone. TomTom's grasping at straws with this press release, their market is drying up and they know it. Why pay $300+ and $60+ a year for something that's already free on your phone?

      Waze even provides real time road updates by users. For example I can report an accident and the location is marked for other users to see live. TomTom's can't do that.

      I have two TomToms. One's an older TomTom ONE and the other is a 5" TomTom XXL. I don't use either one, I use Waze.

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    2. Re:I guess it's time to say "I told you so"? by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Interesting

      no I wouldn't, and I shouldn't be liable for that either. see there's this thing called 'shit happens' in life and society needs to accept this instead of demanding a way to point blame every time something bad happens. that parent took a risk with his kid's life (and his own) just like I did when we all decided to drive somewhere. this risk is NOT mitigated by lawyers and business owners selling snake oil protection, then building 'optional' surveillance societies around their policy holders to insure max profits. it's dictated by physics, skillset, and awareness. the only risk that it does mitigate is the artificial/legal one threatened by the over litigious society which created it all in the first place because it has increasing trouble dealing mentally with risk.

      if you want to mitigate your risk, learn how to drive properly and stay alert while doing so.. if you can't, get off the road until you can! if anything, insurance has a negative impact on this by creating a false sense of security because of how its marketed. you'd think people would be smarter than that, but these days I have my doubts.

  2. Speeding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And not to mention _speeding_! The Nav knows what's the speed limit at your location an instead of beeping when you overdo it, it will raise your premium each time, perhaps even rat you out to the cops.

  3. Are GPS devices reliable for this purpose by DigitAl56K · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All privacy questions aside, are sat nav devices reliable enough for this purpose?

    I purchased a TomTom device new within the last year. On complex intersections - and sometimes just on parallel roads - it can "snap" the car back and forth between pieces of roadway on the display. Sometimes it seems to think you're starting a turn you're not actually making and then eventually snaps the car back onto the correct road later. When exiting a parking lot it sometimes isn't certain about which direction you're really moving in until you've drove a little. It has also tried to direct me down a variety of local roads that don't actually exist. I imagine at least some of these issues are somewhat common among sat navs, and this is only part of my anecdotal experience with one device.

    The point is, when these things become a significant input into insurance rates, who can actually inspect them and certify them for such purposes?

  4. Re:The silver lining by dbet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm calling bullshit on your police stats, if you even care to provide them. The complete removal of speed limits has no effect on accident rates.

  5. Re:Competition ahoy! by u38cg · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I don't have US data to hand, but in the UK and Canada, motor insurance is unprofitable (really), because of the cost of (a) small numbers of very large claims, and (b) massively increased litigation over small to mid-sized claims. It doesn't take too many multi-million pound claims before that book you wrote at reasonable rates is underwater.

    The big problem motor insurers have always had is properly assigning risk - it's pretty obvious an 18yo male is more dangerous than a middle aged woman, but that's a statistic, not a cause. If you could find out what made the 18yo dangerous, you could charge for that instead and have fairer premiums for the rest of us.

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  6. Re:What about external hazards? by SmlFreshwaterBuffalo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whether or not frequent sharp braking correlates to bad driving is irrelevant. All that matters is whether or not it correlates to a higher accident rate.

    If the driver is bad, they'll brake sharply often. But even if the driver is good, if they are regularly surrounded by bad drivers, they'll probably brake sharply often. And guess what? In both cases they're more likely to be involved in an accident.

  7. Re:Competition ahoy! by Gavagai80 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perfectly predictable auto insurance would mean it would cost really bad drivers too much to be able to afford to drive -- and that'd be a good thing, eliminating that risk from the road entirely.

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  8. Re:I'll second that. by symbolset · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Jon, I've got a great deal of respect for your /. persona. You seem always reasonable even when I don't agree with you, and you've swayed me often. But here I think you've missed the general thrust. We're on a very subtle topic. The issue isn't "Insurance good/bad" or something that gross. It's about whether the pursuit of use of intelligence to understand the risks of a particular customer of insurance is a good thing, and the limits of that pursuit. That's a cloudy issue you seldom weigh in on, but I'm interested in your input if you will engage the question.

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