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Smart Camera Tells Tobacco From Marijuana

An anonymous reader writes "A new smart camera technology not only takes a picture but also assays chemical composition, allowing photographers to tell whether that hand-rolled cigarette contains tobacco or marijuana. Designed to speed industrial inspection systems — such as detecting whether food is spoiled — the new smart camera includes spectral filters that make images of corn fields appear differently from hemp. Spectral cameras have been available for decades, but this microchip version should be cheap enough for almost any application."

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  1. Wonderful by vinehair · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure we can all get behind this fantastic use of technology that will further the demonisation of a plant.

    1. Re:Wonderful by r1348 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure, and how else are they supposed to keep us distracted from real problems?

    2. Re:Wonderful by Scarletdown · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would like to see this tech developed further to determine the quality of the weed. Then the results could be given in a classic Tommy Chong slacker voice like: "Oh wow! This is some good shit, man." "That's total crap." "Whoa! That will knock you on your ass. Far out, man!"

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    3. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think you understand how serious of a problem marijuana use is. Did you know that marijuana has been linked to such things as sitting around and getting high?

    4. Re:Wonderful by Mr2cents · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, my dog ate my stash, man.

      Back in the days when I was still smoking weed, I was rolling a joint and noticed my dog was looking at me in an investigative way. So I took a small bud of weed and let her smell it. She sniffed, and then she shook her snout against my hand making me drop it. Immediately she took it, and ran away a couple of metres. I tried to get it back, but she turned her body keeping me away from it while she ate it. During the rest of the evening, she kept lying in the sofa, upside down, paws up in the air. Eventually she got up and ate her bowl completely empty, then got back into the sofa. It's the funniest thing I ever saw her do. I don't know if it's normal or not. Do dogs like weed? Mine did for sure.

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  2. wow by alienzed · · Score: 5, Funny

    so the camera can tell the difference between the color green and brown? Wow!

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  3. tobacco or marijuana? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I couldn't find either of these words in TFA. Whoever wrote the summary needs to put down the bong for a while.

  4. Does it? by phobafiliac · · Score: 3, Informative

    Perhaps I missed it in the article, but it mentions nothing about marijuana or hand rolled cigarettes. It talks about real roses and silk roses. I suppose, in theory, it could do this, but I think it would tell what kinda of paper they used to roll the joint before it tells us whats inside the joint.

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  5. Police will be ordering this soon by danbuter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can see city police departments calling in orders for this right away. Just think of all the tickets and arrests they'll get out of one of these things!

    1. Re:Police will be ordering this soon by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am more concerned about them increasing the number of helicopter patrols. Where I live now, the state sends out helicopters to look for cannabis plants, then indiscriminately arrests anyone who has a cannabis plant on their property. We recently had someone in my county arrested and convicted of cultivating marijuana because the patrol spotted feral hemp on his property.

      Tickets are one thing, but when you have a paramilitary force prepared to arrest or kill anyone over these plants, you are dealing with tyranny.

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    2. Re:Police will be ordering this soon by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am more concerned about them increasing the number of helicopter patrols. Where I live now, the state sends out helicopters to look for cannabis plants, then indiscriminately arrests anyone who has a cannabis plant on their property.

      What's the ROI on that, you think?

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    3. Re:Police will be ordering this soon by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ROI is excellent considering you can confiscate property and money with a low likelihood of it ever being returned. also, agents get to shoot your pets, which they never miss an opportunity to do no matter how small or harmless they are. it's tough enough to find a justified reason to shoot the gun that's been burning a hole in your holster even with the protection of your badge.

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    4. Re:Police will be ordering this soon by ShooterNeo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Doesn't work this way. When they find the plants on the property of the official with the government connections, they won't arrest anyone and the local prosecutor will quietly decline to file charges. Nor will they do any civil forfeitures.

      And when they find the exact same plants on the property of the hispanic/black guy's property, or that redneck fellow who has already had a few run ins with the law, that's when they slam on the cuffs and knock the suspect around a bit. And charge him with a crime, and take his property.

      It will never even occur to the government officials doing this that what they are doing is hippo-critical. After all, they "know" the black/hispanic/white trash guy must be guilty of something, even if not this particular thing. And they "know" that judge or police chief is innocent or a good guy that deserves a break, even if the pot garden looks deliberately cultivated.

  6. Re:Technology Stoners by similar_name · · Score: 4, Funny

    At least in the short term...

    Yeah, wait, what are we talking about?

  7. Tricorders next! by macraig · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who would want a tricorder that couldn't do spectral analysis? We're almost there!

  8. Forgive the pedantry, but.... by mark-t · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hemp is *NOT* marijuana. They are related in that they are both cannabis, but they are not the same plant. You can't get high by smoking hemp (well, maybe you could... but Hemp's THC content is over an order of magnitude less than that found in marijuana, so you'd have to smoke at least ten times as much).

    1. Re:Forgive the pedantry, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Cannabis sativa is Cannabis sativa. The fact that they have different THC levels does not make them different plants anymore than a the height of a Chihuahua makes it any less of a dog than a Great Dane.

  9. Well, shit by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Funny

    There goes my business of selling oregano by the ounce in sandwich baggies...

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  10. Better Link by pavon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is another article, which is both more informative, and doesn't have an annoying constantly scrolling twitter feed to distract you while you try to read.

  11. Re:Hyperspectral Imaging by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Informative

    From TFA:

    The system-on-chip (SoC) solution can accurately distinguish between objects that appear virtually identical using traditional red-green-blue imaging chips.

    The sentence immediately preceding that one, claims the product senses outside the visual spectrum ("hyper-spectral") and that it can perform remote spectral analysis, but somehow it uses just a good ol' RGB sensor.

    Yes, it says that it can differentiate things that a traditional RGB sensor cannot. That means it's NOT a "good ol' RGB sensor".

    Color cameras are just black and white ones with a set of filters over the pixels. Traditional color cameras use red, green and blue filters in a Bayer pattern. You can make a "hyperspectral" camera by using narrower filters of specific wavelengths to detect light at those wavelengths. For example, if you know that corn and someone else differ at a certain wavelength, use a filter at that wavelength.

    You can also make a hyperspectral line imager by using a slit instead of a round aperture and putting a grating or prism behind it. That turns the slit image into a two-D "image" where the slit is broken down by color. One dimension is along the line, the second is by color. Move the camera so the slit covers the desired imaging area and record the spectrum at each "pixel" in the resulting image. Google for "CAP" and "Archer".

  12. Summary example not in article by markdavis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What are they talking about? The article says absolutely nothing about differentiating hand-rolled cigarettes, nothing about tobacco, and nothing about marijuana.

  13. Re:Technology Stoners by nashv · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Such as for example, spectral camouflage. Any method that depends on identifying spectra of compounds in a complex mixture depends on spectral deconvolution. Spectral deconvolution is easy to fool, but adding a compound that provides a "difference spectrum" , compensating for the differences in tobacco versus marijuana smoke.

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  14. Some facts by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful


    The Burden of Tobacco Use

    Tobacco use is the single most preventable cause of disease, disability, and death in the United States. Each year, an estimated 443,000 people die prematurely from smoking or exposure to secondhand smoke, and another 8.6 million live with a serious illness caused by smoking. Despite these risks, approximately 46.6 million U.S. adults smoke cigarettes. Smokeless tobacco, cigars, and pipes also have deadly consequences, including lung, larynx, esophageal, and oral cancers.
    http://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/resources/publications/aag/osh.htm

    I tried to find the article they had on deaths caused by marijuana, but they don't have one. Lucky we've got this new fancy new camera to make sure the American people are smoking the right stuff.

  15. Re:rubycodez by questhe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, but can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?

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  16. Re:Technology Stoners by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Funny

    A device that lets you tell if someone has snuck tobacco into your spliff, without having to taste the smoke.

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  17. Re:Technology Stoners by Pax681 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not sure about the countryside, but this has been done in cities for a while. It's pretty common for people who are growing cannabis to do put halogen lights up in their attic so that the plants can get bright light for a long period. Because this is above the layer of normal house insulation, their roofs show up as warmer than the surroundings.

    halogen? bad choice tbh, There are really only two choices of lamp types for indoor growers, high intensity discharge lamps (HID lamps) and florescent lamps. Other lamps such as standard household bulbs or halogen are just not up to the job of growing cannabis. They convert most of the power they consume into heat not light or produce a light spectrum that won`t support good plant growth. .
    there are even a new breed of colour balanced LED's which are becoming better by the year. i have a friend who use them in the vegetative stage then moves the plants to the other half of his growing room to use HID's in the flowering stage to great effect.
    Halogens, as mentioned above and not efficient and produce a MASSIVE hear signature leading to what you state above.
    growers with a brain use more efficient and balanced lighting which provide results which give not just a cheaper electricity bill but a far groovier stone!

  18. Timothy, What The Fuck? by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't usually complain about the editors; they do a good enough job that the site is still useful by its community and conversation. But in this case I'm making an exception.

    Timothy, did you even click through to the article AT ALL? I did, and it doesn't mention marijuana, cigarettes, or anything similar. The article just says that the camera does chemical composition, and it's not entirely clear that it could even do what's suggested in your summary.

    Can we have a "No Original Research" rule like Wikipedia, please? It's great that you have your theories, editors, and they're completely welcome, but POST THEM AS COMMENTS. The summary spot is supposed to be a summary of the the fine article(s), and not much more; especially not your "educated guesses" presented as fact.

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