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Factorable Keys: Twice As Many, But Half As Bad

J. Alex Halderman and Nadia Heninger write in with an update to yesterday's story on RSA key security: "Yesterday Slashdot posted that RSA keys are 99.8% secure in the real world. We've been working on this concurrently, and as it turns out, the story is a bit more complicated. Those factorable keys are generated by your router and VPN, not bankofamerica.com. The geeky details are pretty nifty: we downloaded every SSL and SSH keys on the internet in a few days, did some math on 100 million digit numbers, and ended up with 27,000 private keys. (That's 0.4% of SSL keys in current use.) We posted a long blog post summarizing our findings over at Freedom to Tinker."

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  1. Dont these keys change often? How would you match? by Kenja · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So how do you go about matching one of the keys that you guessed and a specific users session? What's more, how do you do that before the key changes? I can guess a password is "fishmonkeywrinkles", but without a matching account that wont do much good.

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  2. Re:100-million-digit numbers by blueg3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ah, I see. You regularly work with the product of all of the moduli gathered, which would be a fairly large number.

  3. Re:Why does this happen? by Magada · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you have a shit pseudo entropy generator, the keys you generate will be easy to factor because they will share one common prime factor (recall that key security depends on the computational intractability of factoring large numbers). This is called a related-key attack and has (so far) been responsible only for the demise of WEP.

    As it turns out, OpenSSH/SSL has a shit PRNG which makes private keys generated with it recoverable using only the public keys, in some implementations and usage scenarios. Together, these amount to 0.4% of ALL public keys currently available on the open 'Net.

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  4. Not a flaw in the crypto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    FTA:

    For the system to provide security, however, it is essential that the secret prime numbers be generated randomly. The researchers discovered that in a small but significant number of cases, the random number generation system failed to work correctly.

    So it's the faulty implementations that we need to worry about. The foundation itself is still strong.

  5. Re:Dont these keys change often? How would you mat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Quick! Everybody log in as "Anonymous Coward" before he changes it!

  6. Re:MEGA DUPE by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

    You mean this story that was actually mentioned in the summary if you had managed to finish the first sentence of the summary?

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  7. Re:Dont these keys change often? How would you mat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    So how do you go about matching one of the keys that you guessed and a specific users session? What's more, how do you do that before the key changes? I can guess a password is "fishmonkeywrinkles", but without a matching account that wont do much good.

    The keys in question are the 'permanent' ones that are used to establish the (supposedly) secure user sessions. The authors are saying that it is possible to factor the RSA public key and arrive at the private key. Once you have the private key you can do do a man-in-the-middle attack and pretend to be the server.

    Furthermore, all user sessions can be recorded and decrypted after-the-fact since each session is encrypted with the (now compromised) private/public key pair. (Except if you're using SSL/TLS in ephemeral mode to provide perfect forward security--which hardly anyone does.)

    So two possible attacks are: (1) do a MITM for specific connections, and (2) record everything you can and decrypt later at your leisure.

  8. Seems overblown by hawguy · · Score: 2

    I think few people use the SSL keys on the home router/firewall for anything other than local administration of their firewall so it doesn't really matter if the SSL can be broken, no one is watching and no one cares.

    Even if the few people that actually used their home router/firewall to encrypt data sent over the public internet have hackable encrypted sessions, it's pretty unlikely that an attacker is watching their packets on the off chance that they have a hackable key when there are far easier and more common vulnerabilities to exploit when the attacker has access to your network packets (like firesheep style session stealing).

    1. Re:Seems overblown by timeOday · · Score: 3, Informative

      There must be small businesses using VPN features of these routers (I am not implying D-Link is the affected party by the way). Otherwise they wouldn't have found so many such keys on the open net (0.4% of all keys) - certainly there aren't that many people remotely configuring their firewalls etc. If I were using one for VPN I would watch closely for a firmware upgrade in the near future.

  9. Re:slashdotted by nschubach · · Score: 2

    I see a few spaces in there.

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  10. Re:Why does this happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    As it turns out, OpenSSH/SSL has a shit PRNG

    AFAIK, OpenSSL gets its entropy from the operating system. If the OS has no good source of entropy, like on the embedded devices mentioned in the article, it doesn't matter what library you use to generate your keys, they will alway be predictable and therefore weak.

    The article makes no mention of keys generated on non-embedded devices being weak, so it's probably safe to assume that generating a key on a desktop or server with decent entropy sources using OpenSSL is secure.

  11. Re:Why does this happen? by Rich0 · · Score: 2

    What I'd like to know is how to tell if my key is a bad one or not. I don't mind throwing some CPU-time at the problem, but I don't see any info online for how to check your own key.

    Since I know my own private keys, perhaps an algorithm would be able to analyze how "similar" my keys are? Or, do you need to have the original primes?