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Major Bitcoin Exchange Ceases Operation

First time accepted submitter Sabbetus writes "On Monday the CEO of prominent Bitcoin exchange Tradehill announced that they are shutting down. Ars Technica ran a story on this stating that 'After Monday's news, the currency's value fell from $5.50 to $4.40, a decline of 20 percent.' Tradehill is returning all funds and meanwhile their competitors are fighting over who gets Tradehill's customers."

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  1. Bizarre and Confusing Summary by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... meanwhile their competitors are fighting over who gets Tradehill's customers.

    Not sure where that came from, didn't find it in the Ars article. At the end they mention Mt. Gox being the only other exchange ... so there's one competitor. They didn't mention anything about fighting over customers.

    Furthermore the third sentence in the Ars article was suspiciously absent from the summary:

    He has pledged to open a new site once these issues have been resolved.

    As well as the explanation of why all this happened (lack of proper money transmission licensing). I've asked this many times before but how do you track illegal purchases on BitCoin when, by definition, it claims to be an anonymous payment solution?

    Quite simply put, no BitCoin exchange -- neither Tradehill nor Mt. Gox -- is going to be able to comply with the Bank Secrecy Act.

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    1. Re:Bizarre and Confusing Summary by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quite simply put, no BitCoin exchange -- neither Tradehill nor Mt. Gox -- is going to be able to comply with the Bank Secrecy Act.

      I disagree. As long as an exchange keeps identity records for all of its business and for all of the address endpoints it creates, it'd probably be able to comply with US Treasury Department regulations. Bitcoin isn't anonymous. Things only start to get murky once you are moving bitcoins around off an exchange, but that's not the exchange's problem.

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    2. Re:Bizarre and Confusing Summary by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Quite simply put, no BitCoin exchange -- neither Tradehill nor Mt. Gox -- is going to be able to comply with the Bank Secrecy Act.

      Totally not true. They have to record cash transactions for negotiable instruments. They have to report cash transactions over $10,000. Most of them did not deal in cash at all, but in credit or debit cards and paypal, all of which is easily recorded. The act makes no mention of tracking the negotiable instruments (bitcoin) after they are sold.

    3. Re:Bizarre and Confusing Summary by subreality · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Mt. Gox being the only other exchange

      MtGox is the only exchange bigger than TradeHill, but there are lots of smaller exchanges: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Category:Exchanges

      Quite simply put, no BitCoin exchange -- neither Tradehill nor Mt. Gox -- is going to be able to comply with the Bank Secrecy Act.

      First, Bitcoin is pseudonymous, not anonymous. Second, the important part: while it's very difficult to positively identify who sent you some Bitcoins, the exchanges know exactly who receives them, trades them back and forth to fiat currencies, and then sends them back out. They have names and bank account numbers, or they're using fiat payment services that have bank account numbers. Know Your Customer is not a problem for most exchanges.

    4. Re:Bizarre and Confusing Summary by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Act only applies to the US though.

      Technically true but in practice any institution that touches dollars ends up being bound to obey US law if it wants access to the international financial system.

  2. Bitcoin's still around? by SleazyRidr · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought that Bitcoin must have ceased operating when there stopped being a slashdot story about them every day.

    1. Re:Bitcoin's still around? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 4, Funny

      You think that Taco left because of a lack of bitcoin articles?

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  3. Re:Oh! The huge manatee! by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Funny

    On Monday the CEO of prominent Bitcoin exchange Tradehill announced that they are shutting down.

    And not a single fuck was given that day.

    If everyone actually stopped fucking for a day, that would be huge news. (To everyone other than you)

  4. But the protocols are still intact by adjustable_pliers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The loss of Tradehill and the security breaches of other exchanges disrupted the confidence in using Bitcoin, but the protocols remained intact. I see this as a testament to the design of the system, even though a fundamental quality for any currency is the confidence of its users.

    As a Bitcoin lurker (I've never owned anything more than 2 BTC), I've been intensely fascinated in the potential of this "currency." Without belaboring the great qualities of a decentralized currency, it has attracted a speculative class of users that have rushed into centralized exchanges using nervous money transmission providers. The irony is not lost on me.

    Tradehill's departure and what I believe will be an eventual international agreement hobbling Bitcoin's biggest exchange Mt. Gox in Japan (a la UBS in Switzerland), due to tax evasion, ought to serve as a cautionary note to Bitcoin users. Money transmission is a confiscatorially regulated practice. Bitcoin's best hope ought to be transactions as decentralized as the protocol it uses.

    Lurkers such as I can only hope of an ecosystem or application so widespread, so diversified, secure enough, and easy to use before Bitcoin can be considered useful to most internet users. I dream of a decentralized Facebook knock-off (e.g. diaspora*, etc.) with a Bitcoin client built in, making currency transmission as simple as tossing a dollar to a friend to buy a cup of coffee. Perhaps even at a coffee shop with patrons casually swapping US$ and BTC as they play chess or read.

  5. Tradehill were the good guys by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tradehill was probably the best-run Bitcoin exchange. They didn't steal customer funds, like some of the other defunct Bitcoin services. They didn't go down much. They didn't have a monthly crisis like Mt. Gox. (formerly Magic, the Gathering Online Exchange. Really.) If Tradehill does in fact return all customer funds, at least they shut down honestly.

    A basic problem with Bitcoin is that the ability to irrevocably transfer funds to anonymous parties is the scammer's dream. Bitcoin is thus a scammer magnet. Just about every known financial scam was replicated in the tiny Bitcoin world, from fake banks to fake stock exchanges to Ponzi schemes.

  6. But there are exchanges by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many of them. The US dollar is traded on all international currency markets and for a small scale, any bank will convert them. If it weren't, it wouldn't be very useful. If I pay someone in Europe in US dollars they are ok with that because they can convert them to Euros, which is what they need to do their business. If they couldn't, if US dollars were non-convertible, they'd be non-useful.

    Also you have the problem that next to nobody accepts and deals in bitcoins directly. It isn't a functional currency. The US Dollar, the Euro, the Yen, these are all functional currencies because a lot of people will accept them as such. You can buy goods with them, pay taxes with them, etc. I cannot name a single thing I'd want to buy, a single place I shop at, that takes bitcoins. As such if they aren't convertible, they are worthless.

  7. Re:Speculation is all the Bitcoin has by subreality · · Score: 4, Informative

    How can I short this currency?

    Right over here: https://bitcoinica.com/

    Be careful. Volatility cuts both ways.