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Sony Raises Price of Whitney Houston's Music 30 Minutes After Death

First time accepted submitter M.Nunez writes "Just 30 minutes after Whitney Houston died, Sony Music raised the price of Houston's greatest hits album, 'Ultimate Collection,' on iTunes and Amazon. Many technologists, including chairman of the NY Tech Meetup Andrew Rasiej, suggests that Sony should be boycotted for the move. In a tweet, Rasiej wrote, 'Geez Sony raised price on Whitney Houston's music 30 min after death was announced. #FAIL...We should boycott Sony.'"

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  1. Silly Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bunch of f-ing assholes.

  2. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tacky? Sure. Taking advantage of the situation? Yup. But they have a right to make money for their product.

    When an artists dies, many people rush right out to purchase that artist's work. It's as if people think they suddenly won't be able to get it again now that the artist is dead.

    1. Re:So? by sjames · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And the rest of the world has a right to say no to tacky corporations because there's quite enough tacky in the world already. I hope enough do say no that Sony gets the message loud and clear.

    2. Re:So? by blueg3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...those who are buying her music after her death are equally parasitic and not really deserving of any breaks.

      I fail to see how buying her music shortly after her death is parasitic. Not real fans, sure. Trend-following, sure. Parasitic? It sounds like you don't know what that word means.

  3. Price fixing... by TheDarAve · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There should be an investigation for price manipulation for that. They sue people for "copying" music for several hundred times the digital price, yet they pull dick moves like this and expect people to just ignore it as a normal matter of business. If there was going to be a run on resources, like in the production of CDs, I could see increasing the price to help open up a new line or two to produce more to compensate, but its digital. There's ONE master. They produce NOTHING, just data. Outside of bandwidth considerations, there's no significant additional cost to them over what's already being used.

    1. Re:Price fixing... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since when is it illegal to price your product to make as much of a profit as possible? (That's not what's generally meant by "price fixing," by the way.)

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    2. Re:Price fixing... by PReDiToR · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to other sites that ran this story ages ago the pricing was done by an algorithm that detected the increase in sales and raised the price to maximise on those sales.
      Plus it was stated that Apple only take 30% of iTunes revenue, SONY (and that other labels) set the prices.
      Who knows?

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    3. Re:Price fixing... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 5, Informative

      Maximizing profit != price fixing. Also increasing the price of a product when the artist dies is also not illegal. So you know, price fixing means you collude with some other party to only buy or sell a product at a fixed price through controlling supply and demand. There was no price fixing in this case.

    4. Re:Price fixing... by J'raxis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If a company charges too much, they're guilty of "price gouging."
      If they charge too little, they're guilty of "dumping."
      If they charge the same as their competitors, they're guilty of "price fixing."

      Welcome to the "free market."

    5. Re:Price fixing... by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, but there was dickishness on an epic scale. What they did is clearly legal, but absurdly scummy. A boycott would be a very appropriate measure.

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    6. Re:Price fixing... by Fned · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "supply and demand" isn't a very useful descriptive tool when the supply is infinite and valueless. More like, "access control and demand"...

  4. They meant well by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Funny

    It was actually a gesture of sympathy to Whitney Houston's dependents. Since copyright lasts forever now, long after the death of the artist, they raised the price of the music so her estate will receive larger royalty checks for awhile.

    ... i kid of course. We all know Sony and the other RIAA members never _actually_ pay out royalties to artists.

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    1. Re:They meant well by Genda · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Heck with that, what about John Foggerty, he was tricked by the record industry into selling his artistic soul while not yet out of puberty, After quitting CCR, couldn't write a note of music that didn't belong to the record industry for 20 years. AND finally after getting his life back after the 20 years and resumed writing kick ass music was sued in 1993 by Saul Zaentz, who owned CCR’s old label Fantasy Records. Zaentz asserted that Foggerty's new song "Old Man Down The Road" was plagiarized from "Run Through the Jungle." The recording industry sued John Fogertty for plagiarizing John Foggerty. Like raping him for 20 years wasn't enough, they wanted his new stuff too. The jury laughed Zaentz out of court after two hours (about as fast as a jury can make a decision without doing it right there in the jury box.) Foggerty demanded that Zaentz pay the $1.09 million court fees for this legal insult, and Zaentz told him to kiss his southern exposure. The law to that date had been heavily weighted on behalf of the plaintiff (corporations), such that if a plaintiff sues you and you lose you have to pay the attorney's fees, but if you win, they didn't have to pay yours. It took Foggerty over a year and appealing all the way to the Supreme Court to get a decision, that stated indeed if someone sues you, and they lose, they should pay your attorney's fees.

      You know, there should just be a legal requirement for truth in advertising that has a permanent message tattooed into the heads of the RIAA and its minions stating "I am here to screw you, everything I ever do is designed to rob you, use you, and leave you buggered and you can tell whenever I'm lying by the fact my mouth is moving." Of course we'd then be forced to tatoo politician with the message "I blow more CEOs by 9:00 AM than a high priced call-girl does in a year." and who's going to pass that law?

    2. Re:They meant well by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, that is always my favorite story about the record industry. Talk about shooting the goose that lays the golden eggs. When Foggerty realized how ripped off he was by his record company, he asked/demanded a renegotiated contract. Their answer was, "This contract is legally binding. We don't have to change it. You're stuck with it." Think how much more money they could have made if he had continued writing songs and performing with CCR if they had been willing to renegotiate a fair contract with him. There are probably even ways that they could have spun it to make it seem like they weren't really trying to take advantage of him. "Well, there are a lot of costs involved in bringing a young act along and not every act ever pays back that initial investment. I completely forgot that we still had you under a startup act contract. Let's renegotiate to better terms for you."

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  6. NOW we should boycott them? by GodBlessTexas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been boycotting them for years, starting with their rootkits on CDs, which should have been charged as a criminal act.

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  7. Tasteless by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But logical. Fact is, I bet they earned more money from her death in these past few days than perhaps all last year alone. From a business perspective, you would be stupid not to raise the price. Bad PR yada yada yada. Give it a week and the bitching will stop and sales will increase. Money talks.

    Oh look. Shiny!

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    1. Re:Tasteless by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The glory of Sony died with the MiniDisk Walman. This company is just an empty shell of what was once a positive household name for many geeks and nerds alike. As they say. Nothing lasts forever. Not even a reputation.

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    2. Re:Tasteless by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Businesses arent supposed to "benefit society."

      You have misplaced a tenet of capitalism, that trade benefits those involved, with this idea of "benefiting society."

      If Sony is charging more than you would like to spend on a product, then dont buy it. Welcome to freedom of choice. If you dont trade, then neither of you are harmed. If you do trade, then we can only assume that you were happy to do so because you have free choice.

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    3. Re:Tasteless by Genda · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, I'm getting a little sick and tired of all these self obsessed, narcissistic, machiavellian, amoral masses of motile human excrement turning the world into an ontological toilet. We live in a free society, but this lowest common denominator crap is just becoming a simple excuse to be free of social responsibility, dignity, compassion or accountability for one's own actions. True freedom implies taking responsibility for a complex world of interactions where the price of your freedom is responsibility for the freedom of those around you. All take and no give, is the beginning of a free-for-all that ends in a stinking dung heap where a workable society once stood. Maybe its time to teach ethics to our children so perhaps they avoid the stupid mistakes we're making?

  8. We should boycott only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This article is assuming we shouldn't have been boycotting Sony already.
    Silly people... why do they need so much time to learn?

    1. Re:We should boycott only now? by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 4, Informative

      This article is assuming we shouldn't have been boycotting Sony already.
      Silly people... why do they need so much time to learn?

      Sony are a bunch of vultures, what's there to learn? Everybody knows how vultures behave.

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    2. Re:We should boycott only now? by jc42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      article is assuming we shouldn't have been boycotting Sony already.

      Well, my first thought was that I can't boycott Sony over this, because I haven't bought anything of theirs since back when they were caught including rootkits on their CDs.

      I don't know if it's possible to do two boycotts against the same company simultaneously. If so, you would one do it?

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    3. Re:We should boycott only now? by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Funny

      I find your post insulting. Vultures play an important part in the ecosystem. Sony plays no useful role in human society, and vultures have more class and ethics than Sony.

    4. Re:We should boycott only now? by thebeige · · Score: 3, Informative

      No way, we need Sony to train the script kiddies

    5. Re:We should boycott only now? by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure you can, my country employs concurrent sentencing for prisoners, same concept as concurrent boycotting...

    6. Re:We should boycott only now? by arth1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      At least vultures have the decency to wait till the body is cold.

      Um, no. Vultures have to act quickly before other scavengers arrive. Flying gives them an advantage in finding the bodies quicker, and exploiting that they're still warm and haven't alerted other scavengers by starting to smell yet. Then they often get a second chance after other scavengers are done.

      As for "decency", how do you know this wasn't an automated price setting based on number of purchases, in which case the ones to blame are the hyenas who rushed to the scene to buy the music of someone they never gave a fuck about when she lived?

    7. Re:We should boycott only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I purchase all my music from Internet Piracy. They are good guys, the price is always stable.

    8. Re:We should boycott only now? by bug1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      These movie and music distributors behave like they dont give a damn about the rest of society, they seem to spend all their time plotting the best way to take all our stuff, no consideration to ethics or morality at all.

      Its like they are bunch of PIRATES !!!

      Its time to turn the tables with this "pirates" tag and stick on them.

      From now on consider usign the term "MPAA Pirates" or "RIAA Pirates"

    9. Re:We should boycott only now? by crutchy · · Score: 3, Funny

      yeah, why insult vultures by comparing the poor things to the likes of sony?

    10. Re:We should boycott only now? by justforgetme · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As for "decency", how do you know this wasn't an automated price setting based on number of purchases, in which case the ones to blame are the hyenas who rushed to the scene to buy the music of someone they never gave a fuck about when she lived?

      Somehow making my point there, Sony might well be a tumor of humanity but still this practice is nothing anyone should be ashamed of. The people who liked her music had her music. They didn't need her to die in order to buy it. This is classical herd tax every other idiot has to pay because he wants to be "part of the moment".

      Why was this noise posted in the first place?

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    11. Re:We should boycott only now? by Captain+Hook · · Score: 3, Informative
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG

      The venture's successor, the again-active Sony Music Entertainment, is 100% owned by the Sony Corporation of America.

      a very different company in this case being the direct successor to the entity which did put rootkits on CDs with Sony Music being formed by Sony buying out the 50% share from Bertelsmann AG.

      It like the difference between night and... well, slightly later that same night.

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    12. Re:We should boycott only now? by omnichad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You missed a LOT in economics. Economies of scale only matter when two companies are competing on the same product. Most things are priced based on what the market will bear. That is, prices are set as high as they can as long as people still buy it and the companies can maximize their profits. If dropping the price by 20% gives you 3x sales, then you do it. But if dropping the price just gives you less revenue, you'll not find many companies doing that. That is the basis of capitalism.

      Sony can create artificial scarcity whenever they want as the sole supplier. You see the same thing when the price of oil skyrockets due to oil-producing companies stockpiling and withholding product from the market.

  9. Okay, but there are bigger questions by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is there anyone here on Slashdot that's willing to admit they own a Whitney Houston song?

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    1. Re:Okay, but there are bigger questions by sgt+scrub · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is there anyone here on Slashdot that's willing to admit they were the ones that uploaded a torrent of all of Whitney Houston's songs 30 minutes after hearing about Sony raising prices?

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    2. Re:Okay, but there are bigger questions by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 4, Funny

      Personally, I celebrate the woman's entire catalog.

  10. Yes, Sony is evil... by msauve · · Score: 5, Informative

    But, to be fair, this seems to have been a simple mistake by a single employee, and was quickly corrected. Linking through to the NYT article:

    "the changes - which were in effect only on the British version of iTunes, and were reversed Sunday evening...the price increase was the result of an error by a Sony employee in Britain, and that the company gave no orders for prices to be raised on Ms. Houston's music."

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  11. TPB by J'raxis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Price still seems to be $0.00 on The Pirate Bay...

    1. Re:TPB by Fned · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's TEN TIMES what it was last week...!

    2. Re:TPB by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      IF you exclude the risk of being infected up the wazoo.

      From a bunch of MP3 files? How, pray tell, does that work?

      In a discussion about Sony, who DID work out a way to infect computers using an "audio CD" that actually included a root kit, that's pretty ironic.

  12. According to SONY it was a mistake by VinylRecords · · Score: 5, Insightful

    http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/sony-says-price-of-2-whitney-houston-albums-was-raised-by-mistake/

    According to the NYTimes the price raising was a mistake that only affected the UK Itunes store and nothing else. So of all the retailers and online shops only one was affected, Itunes, and only one region, the UK. If SONY wanted to capitalize on her death they likely would have raised prices across the board and just not the UK Itunes shop.

    This probably was an error. Someone assigned to managing SONY's UK Itunes account royally fucked up by changing the price. And now it is basically a PR disaster because even though it likely was an accident SONY looks absolutely retarded. Someone will lose his or her job over this for sure.

    Sadly I'm sure that some sneering fuck CEO from the RIAA or MAFIAA or SONY or whatever is sitting on his throne thinking of ways to capitalize on Whitney Houston's death without taking a major PR hit. They see her death as basically an opportunity for a lot of profit and a great time to line their pockets.

    1. Re:According to SONY it was a mistake by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      yeah ok.. im sure it was more like this

      sony execs - lets raise the prices in 1 area, see what happens
      br wait, the backlash is huge, lets blame a rogue employee and not raise it in the rest of the country...success!

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  13. Re:They all do this. by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tom Petty was going bankrupt even while he had hit records. The Beatles, Pink Floyd, The Eagles and King Crimson all have no lack of horror stories about the record and publishing companies consistently screwing them on royalties, flagrantly violating contracts and in going out of their way to prevent the artists and the lawyers from looking at actual sales.

    Whatever artists might be losing to illegal downloads, you can be sure that it is small potatoes to the rackateering that RIAA members have been up to for decades.

    If you want to talk about real evil, you should look at the record companies treated artists like Bo Diddley, which amounted to userious contracts and outright theft.

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  14. Re:Sony won't be around for much longer by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It can be argued (rather convincingly, IMO) that the problem with "economics 101" is that, by and large, #1 is a grossly incorrect premise.

  15. Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sony is a profit-oriented corporation

    Their mission is to make profit

    Whitney Houston's death was a chance for Sony to make more money, so they took it

    I really can't blame Sony for doing such a thing, even when it's kind of bad taste

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    1. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by jdgeorge · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One might suggest it's the people who wouldn't pay for Whitney Houston's music until after she died who were doing something "in bad taste". So much for supporting artists while they're sitll alive.

    2. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by necro81 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really can't blame Sony for doing such a thing, even when it's kind of bad taste

      While it may be the job of a company, as an entity, to make money, the company is made of individuals that still ought to be directed by some semblance of common decency. But group thinking can have a powerful effect on the weak-minded, so I suppose one could have seen this coming.

      So I'll still blame them, as individuals, for being cold-hearted assholes. I just won't be surprised that, collectively, they were just doing their job for the company.

    3. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's probably some slave traders who need a good PR man. They're just profit oriented people, who can blame them for taking the opportunity to make more money when it presents itself.

      I certainly CAN blame them, because it IS in bad taste.They didn't have a gun at their heads, the soulless suits made a conscious decision to behave repulsively.

    4. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Johann+Lau · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd rather support them by fighting for a sane society without disney copyright. Having Whitney Houston as a grandma is not a debilitating injury after all, more likely a boon. So I see zero logic in what you said. Your'e just echoing the cynicism of the coporate cancer: it points to and USES humans, but shares none of the concerns or insights.

      Whitney Houston's grandchildren would benefit so much more if we simply burned down Sony and dispersed the ashes... but instead the idea is to buy her CD's, 0.000001% of the profites showing up in the checkbook of her relatives.... uhm, what? How about "no"?

    5. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Johann+Lau · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Many companies actually try to follow a code of ethics in the way they do business."

      No, that would be some people in them. It simply doesn't apply to corporations, and if it did, that would be a defunct corporation in economical theory. Better wrap your head around that, the world will make much more sense.

      Ethics is just something that is necessary, even though expensive. They would rather make it unnecessary than stay ethical. Any calculator can tell you that.

    6. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      possibly her grandchildren down the road

      Not if copyright laws had any sanity in them.

    7. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Shrewd businesses will take the occasional loss in order to foster a loyal customer base.

      While I can't argue with the above quote, I need to state that in the case of Sony hiking the price of Whitney Houston CD just after the news of Whitney Houston's death is this:

      When you buy a music CD --- that is, if anyone still buy music CDs nowadays, but that's another story altogether --- would you buy a CD just because it is produced by Sony?

      Loyalty doesn't play (and pay) in this case, my dear friend

      People don't buy music CD just because it was produced by so-and-so corporation, but they buy because they like the songs

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    8. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by jaymz666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you suggesting they receive some of this price hike?

    9. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Her children and grandchildren should have to earn a living, just like everybody else. Nothing in being the offspring of someone famous merits a free ride.

    10. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IF you are going to fight, don't use terms like:
      " disney copyright"
      "0.000001% of the profites showing up in the checkbook"

      you sound like a loon, and won't be taken seriously. You can say it shouldn't matter, and you would be correct.But it DOES matter. And changing that is a different fight.

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    11. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Phat_Tony · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have this exactly reversed, and the world would be a better place if you and more people in busnesses would recognize this. In economic theory, if consumers care how they are treated and whether businesses behave ethically, they punish corporations for doing the wrong thing, creating the economic incentive for corporations to behave ethically. The idea that corporations are mandated by capitalism to behave unethically in the pursuit of profits, even if behaving unethically is ultimately bad for profits, comes up all the time here on Slashdot and never makes any sense.

      In this case this will be a public image nightmare for Sony. They spend millions and millions on advertising to try to improve their corporate image and make people think favorably of them, and this just cost them a ludicrous amount. They were already going to make a killing off Whitney Houston's death, with no downside. Now in an attempt to bump up short term cash-flow by some amount irrelevant to their bottom line, they are shooting themselves in the foot. They already have an image problem, but more people are going to understand this than a rootkit. If internal management is any goods, heads will roll over this decision, and if it isn't, it's one more sign Sony is doomed.

      If you were a merciless investor, would seeing this news item make you think Sony stock has a bright future? If not, then it means it's bad for them and a mistake, that behaving unethically is moving them towards being a defunct corporation, not securing their economic future. That would be my bet.

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    12. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Wattos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One might suggest it's the people who wouldn't pay for Whitney Houston's music until after she died who were doing something "in bad taste". So much for supporting artists while they're sitll alive.

      Not really no. People do not buy her music because she died. People buy her music now because her death has been given a lot of media attention (as it usually is with deaths of celebrities) and :

      a) some people are too young to have known this music and just discover it now
      b) some people have somply forgotten how good her music was

      This is really a turd move from a turd of a company

    13. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by metacell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The idea that corporations are mandated by capitalism to behave unethically in the pursuit of profits, even if behaving unethically is ultimately bad for profits, comes up all the time here on Slashdot and never makes any sense.

      Corporations tend to think fairly short-term, at most a few years into the future. If the badwill accumulates slowly over time, but the profit from unethical behaviour comes immediately, it'd explain why corporations would keep doing unethical things that are ultimately unprofitable.

    14. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 5, Insightful

      IF you are going to fight, don't use terms like:
      " disney copyright"
      "0.000001% of the profites showing up in the checkbook"

      you sound like a loon, and won't be taken seriously. You can say it shouldn't matter, and you would be correct.But it DOES matter. And changing that is a different fight.

      Johann Lau does not "sound like a loon", nor is he wrong. USA's Copyright Term Extension Act is known as Mickey Mouse Protection Act,for being notoriously pushed by Disney, whose main purpose was to avoid Disney's earlier work to go into public domain. And if you are trying to claim that Johann Lau is a loon for stating that fact then, before that, you must accuse Lawrence Lessig of being also a loon, and a bigger loon as wel, as he publicly made that very same assertion regarding Disney's copyright.

      And regarding the percentage of profits that actually go to the artist, music industry insiders such as Steve Albini already already explained quite well how the music industry actually works.

      So, you are either a Sony shill, trying to astroturf some damage control here on slashdot, or you are incredibly out of touch with reality, factually wrong on multiple accounts and simply an idiot.

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  16. Re:If you want to support an artist ... by Capt.+Skinny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who's benefiting?

    Presumably, the person buying the album. I didn't buy a sandwich today to support the restaurant owner, I bought it because I was hungry and thought it would taste good.

  17. BULLSHIT by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    sounds like a good coput to me. How convenient that it was a "rogue employee" that just happened to raise the prices of a singer who died only 30 minutes earlier... im sorry, I simply dont believe it. If it was someone other than sony, I MIGHT believe it, but coming from sony, after the past mistakes, I simply cannot believe that excuse. They got called out for doing something dickish, and they are tyring to save face.

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  18. Boycott? Hell, rob em' blind! by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know if it's possible to do two boycotts against the same company simultaneously. If so, you would one do it?

    I worked this out: First go fire up torrents of all the Sony artists you can find and download every Sony .mp3 on the net. Then, once you are done, go delete all the .mp3s and do the whole thing again. There you have just "Stolen" their entire catalog twice. That will show the corporate bastards that the Intarweb is not to be trifled with!

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  19. Sony used to be a great company by Just+Brew+It! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Along with brands like Pioneer back in the '70s and '80s, they helped make decent hi-fi gear affordable. With the Walkman they launched the entire portable audio market, and they co-invented the CD. Their Trinitron TVs and monitors were well-respected, and they were a major player in developing the portable camcorder market as well.

    Then in 1987 they acquired CBS Records, and in 1989 they acquired Columbia Pictures; this started them down the road to becoming a "content" company. It's been all downhill ever since. Quality of their hardware declined sharply; the last piece of Sony electronics I bought was a Digital-8 camcorder around 7 years ago, and it sucked. Debacles like the CD rootkit incident, the controversial change in stance over 3rd party code on the PS3, and the PSN security breach have now become the norm.

    In my lifetime the Sony brand has transformed itself from something I actively sought out, to something akin to a warning label. It's a damn shame; I now go out of my way to avoid their products.

    RIP Sony, you are dead to me.

  20. The problem with economic theory by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Informative

    The problem with economic theory is that it is based on a _perfect_ world. It's just handwaved that, uh, well, it works close enough in the real world.

    Among the assumptions that are necessary to have most of that shiny-happy outcome for everything -- and I mean, really, necessary, as once you have a margin of error, real world starts to happen -- are such gems as:

    - many manufacturers of perfectly homogenous and fungible products. Which works well if you're buying orange juice, but less well when your brand of pneumonia is only sensitive to the latest patented antibiotic.

    - zero (or negligible) entry and exit barriers. This is in fact needed both for the previous one, as well as to prevent collusion. In a market where it costs nothing to enter or to exit if it didn't work, you can't form a cartel to regulate the price of bread, because someone else will then start making bread anyway and undercut you. This assumption is increasingly false in the real world, with entry barriers in some domains being in the many billions range. No, really, try starting a CPU manufacturing company.

    - perfectly informed buyers. To have any chance that the market punishes behaviours X, Y and Z, or even rewards fine differences in quality, basically all (or the vast majority) of buyers must know that stuff. Again, this is not only getting to be very false, but most corporations actively work through marketing and PR to make sure that you care more about their beer making you cool than whether beer X actually tastes better than beer Y.

    - perfectly rational everyone, including buyers and sellers. Which already is false in the case discussed here. Perfectly rational buyers would buy her music because the genuinely like them more than some other music, not just because they heard she died.

    - no externalities. An assumption which may be mostly correct for music, but is also something that produced barely breathable smog and other problem at the times it was basically true.

    - perfectly elastic supply and demand mechanics. Which sadly was only really true up to the start of the 20'th century. The Great Depression arguably happened when we ran into a domain where things started to be inelastic.

    Etc.

    What I'm getting at is that while this kind of thing makes for a great BS libertarian rhetoric, it is very much divorced from reality. In the perfect world used in such economic theory, monopolies are impossible, in the real world they are a fact of life. In the perfect world used in such economic theory, collusion isn't viable, in the real world there are real cases where for example a bunch of big pharma companies agreed to not undercut each other. In that ideal world you couldn't make money by recommending that other people invest in the same imploding dot-com that you're selling your shares in, because buyers would already be informed, but in the real world it actually happened. Etc.

    If you were a really merciless investor, you'd also know that, and factor it in. E.g., you'd know that if you make ten millions and then have to pay a million to PR to whitewash your image, then, meh, being an asshole actually paid.

    And in the end, that's the real difference between those who actually know how to abuse an imperfect market, and idealist nerds who think the world works like in perfect-world BS propaganda.

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    A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.