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A Memory of Light To Be Released January 8, 2013

First time accepted submitter Hotawa Hawk-eye writes "Tor Books has announced that the release date for the final volume in the Wheel of Time series of books, A Memory Of Light, will be January 8, 2013. [Barring a Mayan apocalypse, of course.] The fantasy series, started by Robert Jordan and continued by Brandon Sanderson after Jordan's death, will span 15 books and over 10,000 pages."

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  1. Praying for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    the Mayan apocalypse..

    1. Re:Praying for by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      the Mayan apocalypse..

      Hey, come on. The last book was pretty good. Sanderson kicked up the pace, didn't devote three entire pages to a description of the trim on a dress (and then two more pages on the fabric).

      I'm actually happily anticipating the book. Of course, it's good that this particular adventure will end. Enough IS enough.

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    2. Re:Praying for by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am *so* glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. The first couple of books were great, but then they really started to drag on and on with all kinds of meaningless details on what people were wearing or what they were thinking which did exactly nothing to advance the story or make the characters interesting. It got so bad that, by the ninth book, I discovered that I could just quickly skim the first and last sentence of every paragraph and literally not miss anything important.

      I abandoned the series halfway through Winter's Heart. I just couldn't force myself to read through that garbage anymore. Such a shame. The series stared out with such great promise.

      Now, if you want a *solid* fantasy series from start to finish (that's not quite so heavy), check out The Death Gate Cycle by Margaret Weiss and Tracey Hickman. Fantastic series with great character development and interesting situations.

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    3. Re:Praying for by LihTox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Practically every Robert Jordan fan I've ever encountered online thinks this; they just continued reading in spite of the pace of the later books, because they were hooked and wanted to know how the bloody thing ends. :)

    4. Re:Praying for by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 2

      " but it was loads better than Crossroads of Twilight." Heh, imagine if Jordan had written the Twilight series. When he died, the twihards would have drowned out the cries of Alderaan.

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  2. Looking forward to it by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After Sanderson took over the books have tremendously improved, almost back to the initial volumes.

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    1. Re:Looking forward to it by Dyinobal · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sanderson is one of those terrible authors who can't seem to not write a best seller. I'd be jealous if I wasn't enjoying his books so much.

    2. Re:Looking forward to it by demonbug · · Score: 3, Informative

      After Sanderson took over the books have tremendously improved, almost back to the initial volumes.

      I both agree and disagree. Sanderson certainly brought back the pacing from the early books, which is nice (since that means the series will finish). And he has a great respect for the series and is a good writer in his own right, so I really don't think there is anyone better they could have picked to finish it up.

      On the other hand, Sanderson is not as good technically, lacks most of the subtlety, and tends to use lots of neologisms that just don't fit. It will be nice to finally get it finished (hell, I've been reading the series since circa 1993 or 1994), but it is a pity that Jordan didn't manage to finish off the series in his lifetime.

      Oh, if anyone wants the Cliff-notes version rather than going back to read all 10,000 pages before the final book comes out, here is a fairly voluminous re-read that might actually have a chance to be completed before Memory comes out now that it has been pushed back.

    3. Re:Looking forward to it by Auroch · · Score: 2

      it is a pity that Jordan didn't manage to finish off the series in his lifetime.

      Assuming he would have chosen to finish it. Considering the poor choices he made in books, oh ... 5 to 9 (or whatever ... half the series!), I'm glad someone like sanderson (who knows how to write a solid story with good twists and pacing) is wrapping it up.

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  3. Finally by cforciea · · Score: 5, Funny

    We can finally get an official count on the number of times somebody tugs on a braid or smooths a skirt in the series.

    1. Re:Finally by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      In all fairness, there's been a helluva lot less of that since Brandon Sanderson took over. In fact, I think the series has much improved overall since he took all those loose threads and have been tying them down, it may have taken him 3 books and almost a million words - 25% of the total length of the series - but he's done it. I was more than suspecting that Robert Jordan would never get around to doing it or would do so poorly, since the only thing he seems to know is to start new subplots and side arcs while milking the fans and if he hadn't fallen ill and died I suspect it would have continued. Sucks for him of course, but I suspect the series didn't get any worse for wear - in fact possibly quite a lot better.

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    2. Re:Finally by wbr1 · · Score: 2

      I agree completely. The series started with so much promise, but Jordan continued to open plot-line after plot-line while rarely resolving anything. By the time I realized that I was so invested in the series I had to continue ans there were elements of excellence, and I wanted to know how things ended.

      All told though it should be a huge improvement over Goodkind. That series started well, and had a couple of amazing books. However the last several books got so repetitive as to be annoying. It seemed like a contest to see how many characters could say the same thing in 100 different ways in each chapter.

      One can also hope that the ending is better as Goodkind copped out with the oh, I am an all powerful war wizard I can do anything ending. TIt was so lame I wanted to punch Goodkind in the face after reading good knows how many pages, the last third at least was weak as hell to have shuch an anti-climactic ending. Please, please, please Sanderson, don't do the same.

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    3. Re:Finally by Zelucifer · · Score: 2

      Minor nitpick, the wind blowing is one of the most important themes in the series. It has an extremely strong connection with the wheel turning.

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    4. Re:Finally by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      Yes. Things like the braid or Mat's favorite curse phrase are mannerisms that certainly should have continued throughout the series, as that is part of their personality, but we probably only need to be reminded of them maybe once or twice a book.

      Still, I will say this much, I'm never going to forget what stories the irascible, braid pulling Aes Sedai is in.

    5. Re:Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's one of the things that makes the series great, I think. Every character has such a well developed personality, right down to habitual mannerisms, that they seem like people you actually know. It always made the mysterious characters stand out, too - he didn't describe them as thoroughly.

  4. Year of the Dragon by ShakaUVM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As the Tor announcement stated, it will take place at the end of the Year of the Dragon. Cool beans.

    I got to get dinner with Sanderson and Harriet Jordan on the Gathering Storm book tour. They're both very good people, and are the right people to be finishing this series.

    I have no idea how Sanderson could possibly wrap up all the loose threads in just one more book, but if anyone can do it, he can.

    1. Re:Year of the Dragon by Bradmont · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wrapping up loose ends at the end of a series? I thought that fad was euthenized by Lost.

    2. Re:Year of the Dragon by steelfood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have no idea how Sanderson could possibly wrap up all the loose threads in just one more book

      Easy: Bring them all together.

      It has already started to happen in the previous book. Everyone and everything is coming together. And once that happens, he only needs to write one final scene.

      The problem towards the middle was that everybody was going off on their own. And for whatever reason, Jordan had to keep track of everybody and describe every step of everybody's journey. He couldn't just focus on just the one, two, or three main characters. Instead, the middle books were juggling something like seven or eight characters. It's impossible to make significant advances in a story with so many lines, which is why the middle books were so slow and sucked so badly compared to the first few books (when they were all together) and now the last few (when they're coming back together).

      I wonder who edited these books. Much of this is just poor editing. A good editor will not only do the usual grammar check, but also cut out the unnecessary parts that do not advance the story or develop the character. In Jordan's case, entire character lines needed to be cut. The main character (or arguably three) were the only ones relevant, and the things that happened to everybody else should've been left to inner stories after the fact.

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    3. Re:Year of the Dragon by Randle_Revar · · Score: 2

      > And for whatever reason, Jordan had to keep track of everybody and describe every step of everybody's journey.

      That is what make the series so awesome! Cutting character lines would harm it greatly, though it could use some trimming in repetitive description, and recapping stuff we already knew.

    4. Re:Year of the Dragon by Idarubicin · · Score: 2

      Instead, the middle books were juggling something like seven or eight characters. It's impossible to make significant advances in a story with so many lines...

      While it could certainly be argued that sometimes Jordan did this...less well than might have been desirable, it's not impossible. The most familiar counterexample from the world of epic fantasy is probably George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series. A Game of Thrones) has eight viewpoint characters, and GRRM is up to sixteen viewpoint characters in the series' most recent instalment (not counting two additional minor characters in the prologue and epilogue). The difficulty is in making all of the independent storylines sufficiently engaging and relevant (and interlinked) that the reader doesn't get bored or annoyed waiting for the most 'interesting' plot threads to return. GRRM generally has (so far) done quite well at this; Jordan had some issues.

      In my opinion, Jordan was handicapped by his weaknesses in developing and presenting realistic and compelling female characters. (The problem was particularly crippling because Jordan didn't take the usual fantasy-genre out of having a male-dominated world.) There has been ample parody of his sniffing, braid-tugging, dress-smoothing women that I need not further belabor the point. Jordan also had issues with writing believable romance, which was problematic given that all of his main characters end up coupled (or in larger multiples). His interactions between men and women shaded too far towards the relationship caricatures espoused by stand-up comics (If he doesn't know why I'm upset, I'm not going to tell him! sniff!); while occasionally he played it for a successful laugh, the result usually fell flat.

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    5. Re:Year of the Dragon by spiralx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This would be GRRM who didn't write a book in over five years, then admitted he'd screwed up the plotting and had been trying to rescue the story?

  5. Yay, now we get Sanderson back! by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is great. Now we can get Sanderson back on his own stuff. More Mistborn! And maybe the sequel to Way of Kings. Sanderson is one of the best fantasy writers alive today. It will be good for him to go back to his own, very original stuff. His own works are much more groundbreaking than Jordan's. So for example, in the Mistborn books he's been far more willing to play around with the tech level of "fantasy" universes. His most recent book in that universe, "Allow of Law" is excellent and essentially amounts to a demonstration that contrary to common belief, fantasy worlds can have guns and not suck.

    1. Re:Yay, now we get Sanderson back! by billtom · · Score: 2

      Don't count on it. George R. R. Martin is going to die before he finishes Song of Fire and Ice. So Sanderson has job security there.

  6. Re:Summary please by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fucking Epic.

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  7. Re:Summary please by berashith · · Score: 5, Funny

    kid finds out he is magic && author discovers he can milk 4 books into 9 && author gets a divorce and hates women && author discovers he can write even more books without moving the plot along && author dies without finishing the story.

  8. Doorstops by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Robert Jordan's books redefined the level of crazy that I will accept from an author. They're fantastic writing, a wonderful, deep, involved storyline, but come ON, the length is way too self-indulgent and unnecessary. The story is nowhere near as complicated (or worthy) as, say, FOUR Lord of the Rings trilogies, but it's substantially longer. The sadness is that it is comparably well written -- length notwithstanding.

    I'm currently using four of the books as monitor stands (I actually won't go so far as to use them as doorstops).

    More importantly, though, this has changed the way I'll read connected books or watch TV shows. I fear the abandoned story line too much now, and I blame Robert Jordan. "Heroes", the TV show, was a similar letdown... I waited until "Lost" was finished, for fear of it falling into the same pit as "Heroes", and nearly did the same thing with "Battlestar Galactica".

    Is there a name for this? Can we call it the "Robert Jordan" effect? -- the situation where you get too involved with an author or storyline and they just go on forever or (no disrespect) die?

    And the expanding-storyline theme is amazing. Eight Harry Potter Movies? Really? Five Twilight movies? I love a good trilogy, and (other than the quality of the prequels) appreciate that the Star Wars trilogies are built so that you can watch the original without needing the rest to complete the story. Many authors have interwoven stories and worlds... How many books did Terry Pratchett write? Many of which made reference to one another, but at least they each had an individual story arc. The Ender's Game series is similar... Terry Brooks' series can be read in myriad configurations of trilogies and tetralogies.

    ugh... the Jordan series is fantastic in many ways and I'm very glad to see it completed -- I hope the finale lives up to the series -- but please noone ever do this again, or at least give good warning so that we can avoid going down the path until it's complete.

    1. Re:Doorstops by Dripdry · · Score: 5, Informative

      I hate to say this, but George R R Martin is a fat, old, unhealthy man with 8-12 years of writing still to finish his particular series.

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    2. Re:Doorstops by themightythor · · Score: 2

      I haven't started the "Song of Ice and Fire" series yet as a result of this and the Jordan Effect (as coined by grandparent poster). Which is too bad because I hear it's phenomenal.

    3. Re:Doorstops by Hey_bob · · Score: 3, Funny

      While GRRM isn't my bitch.. I certainly hope Sanderson picks up where GRRM left off. If for no other reason than to finish the series in a timely manner.

      Perhaps we need to kickstart a "Lets make Sanderson our bitch, to finish up GRRMs work" thinger?

    4. Re:Doorstops by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not to worry, with a 5 digit UID it's unlikely you'd live long enough to have another author Jordan a series like that.

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    5. Re:Doorstops by Kjella · · Score: 2

      You make it sound like getting to the end is a chore and the end is the reward. Perhaps you should enjoy the journey more and obsess less about the destination? I didn't exactly need a crystal ball to know Lord Voldemort was going to be defeated knowing the age bracket they aimed for, whether it's in three movies or in eight. The kind of movies where the bad guys more or less win is reserved for movies like "Man on Fire" or "Sin City". If you were sitting there waiting for the final epic battle of good vs evil and drumming your fingers "get on with it" you missed.... well, everything. The only stories that get me down are those that put the main plot on hold and go off doing everything else, and there Robert Jordan sinned a lot.

      There were at times *at least* five primary plot threads for Rand, Matrim, Perrin, Egwene and Nynaeve and it's just too many. Even worse he'd continue to spin into subplots of minor characters like Thom, Aviendha, Tuon and so on until there was ten stories running and you could barely remember the last one by the time it came back into rotation. If you look at LotR - which can also get fairly long-winded at times - it never split up into more than two story threads, Frodo's party and the war efforts. In Jordan's style the whole fellowship would have been split up and he'd tell Frodo and Sam's story, Merry and Pippin's story, Gandalf's story, Aragon's story, Legolas' story, Gimli's story and Boromir's story as separate plot lines with side arcs for Elrond, Arwen, Eowyn and then some.

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    6. Re:Doorstops by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 2

      Huh. I enjoyed the splitting up. I felt it gave characters who normally wouldn't be investigated their own chance to shine in a way that they just can't when they're always playing second fiddle to the godlike protagonist.

      Having read the thing cover-to-cover at least three times, I'm probably not the most objective judge about how hard the plotlines are to follow, but I don't remember ever having a problem except when I took a year or two break between books. It's definitely not something you can pick up again when a new book comes out without a refresher.

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    7. Re:Doorstops by Mark+J+Tilford · · Score: 2

      TvTropes refers to this as the ChrisCarterEffect.

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  9. Re:Summary please by aevan · · Score: 4, Funny

    A bunch of man-haters try to kill male magic users because they go crasy. One reincarnated guy get magic, picks up a harem and adds pool cleaner to the magic well. Meanwhile sniffing in disdain, clothing derumpled and beards being stroked fill the books while female chauvinism abounds.

    Think I made it to book..six? seven? before failing to care.

  10. Re:Summary please by squidflakes · · Score: 2

    The first three volumes were Lord of the Rings without hobbits. The volumes after that were a meandering sequence of events punctuated with braid-tugging, skirt-smoothing, sniffing, and the most voluminous descriptions of regional fashion.

    And I liked the books.

  11. Re:Summary please by aevan · · Score: 2

    Crap. Didn't see the one sentence part! Just replace all periods with semicolons or something :P

  12. Goddamn you, Tor by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2, Funny

    First it was supposed to be one book; then Tor realized they could go the Harry Pothead/Twitlight direction and 'enhance their revenue' by splitting it into three. OK, whatever.

    Then, they push the publish date of the second book back to coincide with the Christmas holiday (because, you know, the people who haven't read the other 11 books at this point are TOTALLY going to buy this one for Christmas anyway!), even though Sanderson had the book finished and edited by the end of July. Oh yea, and no eBook; 'fuck you, Jordan fans!' Well, shit. Whatever.

    Finally, they tell us the final book, which some people (my wife) have been waiting over a decade for, will come out in Summer 2011... no, Fall 2011... wait, make that Holiday 2011... just kidding, really it will be spring 2012... OK, Fall 2012... now Spring 20-fucking-13??? Fuck you to, Tor. Fuck you right up your greedy goatse asses.

    I swear, if Tor published anything else actually worth reading, I'd be seriously considering a boycott at this point.

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  13. Re:Summary please by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even the wiki summary was too freaking long. Someone sum this series up in one sentence please.

    This is not the book series you're looking for, move along now.

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  14. Re:Summary please by EdIII · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's okay. I got the part about how he discovers magic and gets a harem.

    That's all I need. I'll give the first book a shot :)

  15. But I thought... by Mercano · · Score: 2

    But I thought there were no beginnings or endings to the Wheel of Time?

    Sanderson's been doing a wonderful job; his stuff has probalby been the best we've seen since book five or six. (Yes, there were cool bits here in there in 7-12, but they're diamonds in a whole lot of rough.) I'm sort of sad we don't get a few more Sanderson books.

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  16. Re:Summary please by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have to disagree, I specifically liked the series because it's as different from LotR as you can get while still being an epic fantasy.

    Count the number of times the words "wizard" or "magic" appear in the books. Then go hunt down the amount of terrible, terrible, terrible songs and poetry. Jordan purposefully avoided the hyper-nerd stuff, and actually gave us a story with interesting, capable main characters, instead of a story where the "heroes" essentially stumble their way to victory because they're so utterly useless.

    I know the "ordinary people extraordinary things" is appealing to some people, and art is always a subjective thing, so please don't take it as if I'm literally saying the books are awful--I know they're probably great (except for the poetry, that stuff was flat-out terrible and the subjective rule of art be damned), I just use hyperbole to make my points and personally didn't like them.

    And if you didn't like LotR the same as me, you might like WoT.

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  17. Mayan Apocalypse by neoshroom · · Score: 5, Funny

    There will be a Mayan Apocalypse. The Mayan Apocalypse is not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning...

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  18. Re:Summary please by bzipitidoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    I rather liked the magic system. Magic power comes in 3 varieties: The One Power divided into male and female parts, and "True" Power from the evil side which is so dangerous it's not used much and doesn't play much of a role. Each magic user has some mysterious upper limit on the amount of power they can wield, and it varies greatly by individual. Most people are of course unable to use any magic at all.

    There's not much to say of the general plot. Very stock fantasy in many ways, which becomes very tiresome thanks to the length. At the start of the series, the past is a lost golden age of much greater power and knowledge than the present, the male part of the One Power is tainted since the end of that Age of Wonders, male mages are rare and not trusted, and are cut off from the power if the women catch them. 3 boys (really, just 1 boy, the Dragon Reborn who can wield more of the One Power than anyone else), and 2 girls from a completely ordinary village rise to become the great heroes who will save the world, spending the rest of the series running all over the world fighting evil and treachery sometimes by bluffing but usually by applying superior force, and collecting power, followers, knowledge, advice, scars, and honors, and trying to get the dozens of kingdoms to pull together and cooperate to fight evil with the favored method for accomplishing that last being to have the monarchs swear obedience or in the case of queens, love to the Dragon Reborn.

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  19. Re:eBook release by ThePeices · · Score: 3, Informative

    OCR what? Its the 21st century, authors don't write books using typewriters anymore.

    They haven't for many decades.