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The Recycling of the Tevatron

ananyo writes with an excerpt from an article in Nature about the decomissioning of the Tevatron: "It is a 4,000-tonne edifice that stands three stories high, chock full of particle detectors, power supplies, electronics and photomultiplier tubes, all layered like a giant onion around a cylindrical magnet. During 26 years of operation at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia, Illinois, this behemoth, the Collider Detector at Fermilab (CDF), helped to find the top quark and chased the Higgs boson. But since the lab's flagship particle collider, the Tevatron, was switched off in September 2011, the detector has been surplus stock — and it is now slowly being cannibalized for parts." Currently other projects are taking small bits and pieces of the Tevatron, but another Fermilab project, ORKA, wants to gut the collider to study kaon decay.

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  1. DIY black hole by TankSpanker04 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Put it on eBay: "Create your own black hole!" Starting bid: $1 (no reserve)

  2. Minimal saving grace? by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The lack of funding for the Tevatron is deeply unfortunate. It almost certainly could still have been used for good research. Between this and the earlier cancellation of the SSC, the US seems to be doing its hardest to make sure that it isn't first in particle physics research. We're still doing a lot of good research at Fermilab. For example, MINOS is working on testing the recent FTL neutrino claim (and in fact, the OPERA group was paying careful attention to arrival times primarily because MINOS had previously discovered an anomaly which tentatively suggested that some neutrinos might be traveling faster than light). And the US is still doing very good physics in other areas, especially in solid state physics and plasma physics. But this a really bad trend. It fits into the same pattern as the recent budget cuts to Mars exploration, while we still have billions of dollars pumping into military boondoggles.

    I'm happy that they can at least reuse the Tevatron, and kaon decay which is important for understanding CP violation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation which may have implications for why there's apparently so much more matter than antimatter in the universe. But it really shouldn't be coming to this. Physicists shouldn't be desperately scrambling for parts while the cost of what they need is less than a new fighter squadron.

  3. US physics decline parallels the space program by peter303 · · Score: 2

    The US will be down to one active cyclotron-collider by the end of this year and not world class anymore. Some of the older accelerators have been recycled: Stanford Linear Accelerator where two of the quark mesons were discovered is now one of the worlds most powerful xray sources. This can see molecular size objects or time slices faster than a chemical reaction.

    the US space program can no longer launch astronauts into orbit. Earliest will be next decade. Space probes have been cut to the two in development with nothing beyond that funded.

    1. Re:US physics decline parallels the space program by HBI · · Score: 3, Funny

      We're just leading from behind.

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    2. Re:US physics decline parallels the space program by majortom1981 · · Score: 2

      There is still the rhic which still does things that no other collider can do (proton spin). Its also being upgraded to an erhic and they do test upgrades to it for the lhc . The rhic also providesthe elements for Nasas space raditation lab. Also the NSLS II is also being built at brookhaven.

  4. Geeks never throw away old tech stuff by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

    They always say, "Maybe I'll need it someday . . . ", or "I might be able to scavenge some parts . . ."

    And the stuff just sits around forever . . . right next to my Token Ring network card, tangled up in cables with wacky connectors . . .

    They just can't part with the Tevatron . . . this recycling line is just an excuse to keep it around.

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    1. Re:Geeks never throw away old tech stuff by WillgasM · · Score: 2

      Mushroom farm. That was one of the better ideas for the abandoned SSC.

  5. Re:That's not recycling; it's reusing! by Lehk228 · · Score: 2

    it's reusing. recycling would be scrapping the part and making it into something else

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  6. Re:That's not recycling; it's reusing! by amRadioHed · · Score: 3, Informative

    You know the three Rs of waste reduction? "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle", you and the GP are both talking about reusing. It's not the same as recycling, in fact it's better because it's more efficient.

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  7. Re:Koan decay by stillnotelf · · Score: 2

    It decays at the same rate as one hand can clap.

  8. TOURS! by sgauss · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I used to bike around the grounds of FNAL; I'd love to see them open up the tunnels and see a little of the other side!

  9. Meth heads by Sporkinum · · Score: 2

    Since it's in a rural area, I bet if the word got out, the meth heads would be all over it to steal the copper. It would end up looking like one of those old abandoned military sites in Russia.

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    1. Re:Meth heads by tscheez · · Score: 2

      Yeah, cause meth heads won't get stopped by the 24hr security guards at each entrance or stopped by security near the restricted access roads. It's not abandoned, just off.

      They do have buffalo on the grounds that you can go see, but they warn you at the gate that you can't just go anywhere.

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