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Facebook Has 25 People Dedicated To Handling Gov't Info Requests

nonprofiteer writes "A profile of Facebook's CSO reveals that his 70-person security team includes 25 people dedicated solely to handling information requests from law enforcement. They get thousands of calls and e-mails from authorities each week, though Facebook requires police to get a warrant for anything beyond a subscriber's name, email and IP address. CSO Joe Sullivan says that some government agency tried to push Facebook to start collecting more information about their users for the benefit of authorities: 'Recently a government agency wanted us to start logging information we don't log. We told them we wouldn't start logging that piece of data because we don't need it to provide a good product. We talked to our general counsel. The law is not black-and-white. That agency thinks they can compel us to. We told them to go to court. They haven't done that yet.'"

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  1. Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    anything beyond a subscriber's name, email and IP address

    You've already saved them quite a bit of work there.

    1. Re:Wait, what? by John3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly right. If they were really interested in protecting the privacy of their users they would require a warrant before providing even that information.

      Of course this is Facebook we're talking about, so privacy usually has a different meaning to them.

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    2. Re:Wait, what? by Hatta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If they were REALLY interested in protecting the privacy of their users, they'd publish any requests they recieved from law enforcement.

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    3. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Really? So if someone falsely accused you of pedophilia, you'd want that information request published regardless of the fact you're innocent and there's nothing to find?

    4. Re:Wait, what? by gnick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, but it would be nice if FB told ME that a request was being made for my information.

      Hell, let's go crazy here and say FB ASKED me if they could release my information to the requester w/o a warrant.

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    5. Re:Wait, what? by gnick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At the same time, there *are* in fact real pedophiles, scammers, and other criminals that use Facebook, in which case it's probably not really productive (or even legal) to notify a suspect they are investigating.

      That's why the gods gave us warrants. But if it's just some guys with a badge, forget it.

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    6. Re:Wait, what? by jc42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They already sell your info to advertisers. Maybe if the police offered them a few bucks...

      Actually, that's not just funny; it's also probably true. The problem is that the cops have a budget, and they want to get the information for free. But, as a couple of lawyer acquaintances have pointed out, the US Constitution has a very clear ban on "involuntary servitude", which they say they've helped clients use to explain to government agents why they won't work for the government for free.

      OTOH, if the government agencies want to hire the company to collect and hand over the information, and is willing to pay what it costs the company to do this (+ 10% is the actual traditional price), they'll probably be happy to comply.

      Part of the problem is that a lot of the US's government (at all levels) has developed the idea that they can just walk through a door and order people to work for them without paying for the labor. We should perhaps be disabusing them of this idea, by pointing out that the Supreme Court hasn't yet overturned the 13th Amendment.

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  2. Spin/damage control... by elgo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So Facebook provides all the necessary info for Law Enforcement, but doesn't engage in detailed logging, probably because it is too expensive and as the gentleman said, it doesn't yet fit in with FB's business model. Still, they provide peoples' names, emails, and IP addresses for Law Enforcement, so really they cooperate with the fuzz as much as is needed. Nice damage control, making themselves out to be standing up to Big Brother. Then again, IDNRTFA, and with the way sunmaries have been lately, this could be an article about My Little Pony, for all I know...

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  3. Window Dressing by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a feeling this entire article is nothing more than window dressing to make Facebook users (or the general public) somehow feel better that ANY logging requested by law enforcement isn't automatically done. Laws and rights pretty much went out the window with the advent of things like PATRIOT act.

  4. Re:Yep. by lightknight · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The open assumption is that the data put on Facebook is entirely valid. Since it cannot be held to be valid, it becomes NP-Hard to sort through all the data for the bits which are true and the bits which are false.

    It's entirely possible to setup an identity for someone who doesn't exist (trolls + marketers do this all the time); that's one strike against the data. It's also possible to have a user simply lie, such as saying they were at a party or visiting a cousin when they weren't. Job applicants could maintain an entire account simply for the purposes of appearing social while maintaining a carefully controlled, carefully tailored public image. Finally, other people may post things, or even borrow someone's account, and change the user's profile to something unsavory, as a prank.

    Anyone who puts stock in this data as some sort of glimpse into another's thinking should not be allowed to make any kind of lasting decision.

    Of course, this is not to say that a portion of that data may not be true, only that it is impossible to know what quantity of it.

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  5. Facebook NOT logging something? by Wintermute__ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What could possibly be so privacy-invading, not-worth-the-disk-space-to-log-it crazy that Facebook doesn't already log it? These people make tons of money selling every minute bit of data and metrics about their suckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Husers that they can possibly hoover up. What could it be that even *they* wouldn't want to log?

    Just goes to show, there is no boundary that some government agency won't want to cross to invade your privacy.

  6. FB's actual guidelines by mr100percent · · Score: 4, Informative

    How about Facebook's Actual Law Enforcement Contact page with guidelines. It seems facebook does waive these requirements sometimes, such as when "responding to a matter involving imminent harm to a child or risk of death or serious physical injury to any person and requiring disclosure of information without delay."

  7. Why punctuation matters by dtmos · · Score: 4, Funny

    What was written (p.2) was,

    The sprawling campus is still under construction around us on this February morning, with workers carrying ladders and bulldozers preparing the intrabuilding walkways for food carts and play areas.

    What was meant (I think) was,

    The sprawling campus is still under construction around us on this February morning, with workers carrying ladders, and bulldozers preparing the intrabuilding walkways for food carts and play areas.

    The first time through I had to do a re-parse, as I ended with an image of workers carrying a ladder under one arm and a bulldozer under the other.

  8. Re:Maybe they wouldn't need all 25 people by Chuckstar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Paragraph (c)(2) at the following link:

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2703

    "(2) A provider of electronic communication service or remote computing service shall disclose to a governmental entity the—

    (A) name;
    (B) address;
    (C) local and long distance telephone connection records, or records of session times and durations;
    (D) length of service (including start date) and types of service utilized;
    (E) telephone or instrument number or other subscriber number or identity, including any temporarily assigned network address; and
    (F) means and source of payment for such service (including any credit card or bank account number),

    of a subscriber to or customer of such service when the governmental entity uses an administrative subpoena authorized by a Federal or State statute or a Federal or State grand jury or trial subpoena or any means available under paragraph (1)."

    Paragraph (1) provides for broader disclosure under certain circumstances (but still requires a real warrant for disclosure of contents of communications). This is the same statute that lets the cops get access to your phone records without a warrant. An "administrative subpoena", does not require judicial review. Processes vary, but basically it amounts to getting a superior to sign off that you have a legitimate law enforcement reason to get the info (helps keep people from searching their spouses phone records, but does nothing to keep the cops from looking in anyone's records if they are in any way suspected of a crime).