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Open Letter By Eric S. Raymond To Chris Dodd

An anonymous reader writes "ESR, one of the finest engineers behind the open source movement and much of the software we use everyday, writes an open letter to U.S. Sen. Chris Dodd. ESR points out the concerns of 'the actual engineers who built the Internet and keep it running, who write the software you rely on every day of your life in the 21st century' about politicians attempts to lock down our Internet or our tools. A portion of the letter reads: 'I can best introduce you to our concerns by quoting another of our philosopher/elders, John Gilmore. He said: “The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.” To understand that, you have to grasp that “the Internet” isn’t just a network of wires and switches, it’s also a sort of reactive social organism composed of the people who keep those wires humming and those switches clicking. John Gilmore is one of them. I’m another. And there are some things we will not stand having done to our network.'"

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  1. To Which the Reaction Will Be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How dare these self-righteous, misanthropic geeks dare tell us it's their network? Who bought and paid for this network? Why does this network exist in the first place? Because WE built it with our holy dollars. Someone get a muzzle on this dissident! A prime example of why we need control of our network!

    1. Re:To Which the Reaction Will Be by Desler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And how do you suppose you're going to do so? You don't own the backbone, you don't own any of the fiber connecting you to your ISP, you don't own any of the switches and routers, you don't own any of the software (since most of what runs the internet is BSD and is easily forked). So exactly how are you going to "take it back" when all the infrastructure is owned by others?

    2. Re:To Which the Reaction Will Be by Nursie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, good luck with that.

      Not only is the IT world full of contrarians, who likely won't strike just because other people are, but people like being paid and will continue to accept money to ruin the internet.

      No fascist regime is ever short of henchmen, and no government lockdown will ever be short of people to perform it, especially if others have just walked out and they are now seen as valuable and dependable by those with power/money.

  2. ESR - overhyped... by tjstork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That guy hypes himself way too much.

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  3. Re:Excellent tactical move. by Hentes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is an open letter, and its main point is not to convince the opposition but to rally its own supporters. For which purpose chest pounding works very well.

  4. The internet doesn't "route around it" by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact is that there is a serious choke point for the vast majority of users (in the U.S. at least). A handful of big name companies control almost all the broadband ISP's and trunk lines in the U.S. You can't very easily "route around it" if the few providers in your area are censored. In my area, you can choose from 1 cable ISP, 1 DSL ISP, and 3 major cell providers. All five of these are major companies who would bow to the government in an instant if asked. If they were all effectively censored, there would be nowhere to turn save a satellite provider.

    There are always ways around censorship for the hardcore techies, of course. But it really wouldn't be that hard to censor the internet for 99% of the population if the government really wanted to.

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    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    1. Re:The internet doesn't "route around it" by LazyBoyWrangler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Jesus, what has happened to /.?

      Doesn't anyone read anymore? See "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by ... wait for it ... Eric Raymond. Available online. Basic routing protocols DO route around damage - how about READING about RIP and BGP?

      Anyone who CAN read can find ways to avoid getting coralled by their ISP, government or corporate overloards. The fun of the Internet is that the only thing obstructing your path to freedom is your own ignorance. Fight your own ignorance and you can be free. How do you think political dissidents bypass censorship?

      Why do you think content overloards are still fighting their losing battle instead of thinking ways around the problem? If they had half a brain, they would embed the commericial message they are paid to present inside the content, and they would willingly release their product for cheaper (free as in beer?), wider and more long lived distribution. Charge way more to "advertisers" doing product placements to compensate for revenue lost in theatrical release. The advertisers will pony up the cash because they know their message will live forever and not have recurring payments for broadcast. Product placement advertising costs are far cheaper than traditional commercials - but they won't stay that way once Hollywood wakes up.

      No one wants to pay to sit in large dark public rooms, smelling other people's offgassing while eating horrid overpriced "snacks" when they can watch great quality content at home in their media rooms. The Hollywood business model failed a long time ago.

      People have already figured out the content delivery system championed by the US entertainment industry is broken. And they are routing around it. Since that horse left the barn long ago, the people relying on the revenue from it should get ahead of the problem and fix their business model. Why can't people even see and understand the events happening around them.

  5. Oppression, not "lockdown" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm getting sick of hearing the propaganda terms "lockdown" and "crackdown" used in place of the correct term, oppression. Are we too afraid to say it? Not politically correct enough? Can't admit our own reality to ourselves? Fuck that.

    Let's call a spade a spade here. The terms "crackdown" and "lockdown" imply that the victim was doing something wrong or immoral in the first place. THAT is exactly why government and the media use these terms. They are "self-justified". They are deliberately false depictions of reality. It's pure propaganda, but the amazing part is that some victims will actually repeat the terms themselves.

    The correct term, oppression, implies that the victim is innocent, not guilty -- and that the oppressors are guilty, not merely "getting around to that crackdown". For christ's sake, use the correct term.

  6. Re:uhhh. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

    However, for purposes of clarity, the summary should point out both that he is a former Senator and that he is now CEO of the MPAA.

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    The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
  7. Re:uhhh. by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Writing the head of the MPAA to try and sway him about the internet (to misquote former MPAA head Jack Valenti speaking of VCRs in the eighties) -- "The internet is to movies what Jack the Ripper was to women."

    ESR ir right, but I think he sent his letter to the wrong Senator. It should have gone to the 100 corrupt Senators who actually legislate, rather than former corrupt Senators.

  8. Re:uhhh. by bhcompy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can see where you're coming from, but who do you think pushes those 100 corrupt senators to adopt restrictive internet laws? Hint: lobbies like the MPAA, where Dodd is now chief. Convince the MPAA, RIAA, UFIA, etc to back off and those 100 corrupt senators won't even pay attention to the issue, because the corruption comes from them taking bribes and kickbacks from said special interests to vote for the laws in question.

  9. Epic Quote is Epic by MoldySpore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...there are some things we will not stand having done to our network." (emphasis mine)

    That is exactly how I feel. As a Network Engineer myself I share their frustration with old, grumpy, white men who sit on capital hill raining down laws that would effect my job and customers without understanding the technology itself, nor the gravity their actions would have on the Internet community at large. I've watched the hours long C-SPAN videos of the hearings with the SINGLE Google representative they invited as an "expert" only to see her get cut-off and publicly flogged and discredited, while old men who had to read basic networking terms such as "internet", "Internet" (they are not interchangeable), "IP Address" and "DNS" off a prepared piece of paper, listed the "merits" of SOPA/PIPA/ACTA. Especially from a security standpoint, the amount of negative repercussions to censoring the internet along the same lines as China could be catastrophic, and that is before even considering its' effect on free speech.

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    "I hope you know how very lucky you are to know me, because I am so incredibly incredible."

  10. Nit-pick on the issue of secure OSes by davide+marney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the letter,

    Some companies propose, in order to support DRM, locking up computers so they can only only run “approved” operating systems; that might bother ordinary users less than those other treacheries, but to us would be utterly intolerable. If you imagine a sculptor told that his new chisel would only cut shapes pre-approved by a committee of shape vendors, you might begin to fathom the depths of our anger at these proposals.

    His description of "approved" operating systems is too broad. Signing code itself is not a problem, in fact it's a blessing when used properly. The key to proper use is deciding who holds the signing keys. The consumer who owns the device needs to be in charge of that device; he or she must be able to decide whether or not unsigned code is allowed to run. If the user chooses to run only signed code, I think it perfectly fine to let manufacturers implement this as they wish. This could be extended to several layers: the hardware, the boot OS, the user OS, etc. Each of these could be secured, with the user's permission, by the corresponding manufacturer/distributor.

    This certainly wouldn't prevent developers from "cutting" any shape they wanted with their code. But they would have to participate in some share system of security. That doesn't seem to be too much of a stretch to me, and fundamentally a good idea, to boot.

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    "We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
  11. Re:Politicians are only experts at getting re-elec by gmack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ESR is no different in this case as he has his own agenda he is trying to push.

    You are more right than you realize. ESR considers himself one of the Open Source greats despite that his largest contribution is that he maintained the termcap db and his is the first I've heard anything from him since Linus Torvalds refused his rewrite of the kernel config system. Not to mention his self proclaimed expertise in lovemaking.

    His main function in life is to be what bloggers were before we called them bloggers and really isn't someone we need or want as a spokesman.

  12. Re:uhhh. by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wasn't James Madison against this, and insisted that senators and presidents should be entitled "Mister", like everybody else, not to create a new nobility that would be against the constitution?

    Who cares? Madison's dead and he's just one of the founders.

    That's just the way he would have liked to have been referred to posthumously.

  13. "Dimwits" unlikely to win support by rbowen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was with you, Eric, right up until you called the media industry execs "stupid" and "dimwits". Your arguments were clear and well stated right up to that point. However, when you call your audience dimwits, they stop listening and discount anything you've said up to that point. This is a great shame, because your letter was incredibly persuasive and non-ranty up to that moment.

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    Apache guy, Open Source enthusiast, runner
  14. Re:uhhh. by Pope · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is stupid. Senator, Representative, President, are all job titles. No longer have the job? You don't get the honorific.

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    It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
  15. Re:uhhh. by Tommy+Bologna · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet most Americans will weigh Madison's opinion more heavily than yours. Why is that?

  16. Re:uhhh. by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a difference between the people who use it, the people who own it, the people who run it. And most of the people who run the core stuff are on the same page.

  17. Re:uhhh. by iplayfast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You may be a user, but that doesn't make you part of the culture that ESR is referring to . He's talking about the culture of the people who actually work on and in the Internet. The people who would of course care about how it is used, as opposed to the people who use it and have no idea of how it works, or how it could be damaged and what the damage may do to the Internet as a whole.

  18. Re:Politicians are only experts at getting re-elec by jmcvetta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    nobody knows you're a dog.

    Facebook knows you're a dog. It also knows what breed, how old you are, your preference in bitches (or other dogs as it may be), your favorite brand of dogfood, and how often you play fetch.