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Publisher Pulls Supports; 'Research Works Act' Killed

crabel writes "It appears the dreaded Research Works Act is dead. The bill would have prevented agencies of the federal government from requiring public access to federally subsidized research. After Elsevier pulled its support, it was decided that no legislative action will be taken on the bill." A glimmer of hope as well: "Meanwhile, attention has shifted to another proposed bill: the reintroduced Federal Research Public Access Act, which would require public access." Elsevier has vowed to battle it, however.

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  1. What are you waiting for if you're an US citizen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sign the petition(s) to the Congress
    http://www.congressweb.com/cweb2/index.cfm/siteid/sparc

    and to the white house
    https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/strengthen-public-access-publicly-funded-research-and-support-federal-research-public-access-act/jF4mxRc4

    Unless you like being locked out behind a paywall from research paid with your tax dollars.

  2. This is the first I am hearing about this by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and it is good to hear it is dead, but on the other hand, the man pulling the strings will most likely be pushing for something else.

    weill be a good idea to keep an eye on what this guy/group pushing this is up to

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    1. Re:This is the first I am hearing about this by icebike · · Score: 2

      and it is good to hear it is dead, but on the other hand, the man pulling the strings will most likely be pushing for something else.
       

      Or maybe not.

      As in Football, the best Defense is a good Offense.

      With the second bill introduced to MANDATE public access, Elsevier is now on their heels, trying to defend their turf, and may not have the clout to fight both fronts. They are pretty much going to have to spend their blood and treasure fighting the Federal Research Public Access Act, because if it passes anything they could propose would first have to overcome that hurdle.

      A Dutch company trying to dictate publishing policy to the US Government isn't likely to play well with the US tax payer in an election year.
      That gives a year's grace to push the Public Access Act thru, with the major political parties both jockeying for position as the party of open-ness.

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  3. Re:A good thing? by JanneM · · Score: 2

    "Don't we want public access to things funded by public money?"

    Yes. And the "Research Works Act" would have essentially forbidden open access of said research.

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  4. Of course Elsevier opposes public access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you publish a paper in most peer-reviewed journals, you don't own that paper. A condition to getting published above and beyond the peer-review process is to sign over the copyright to the journal. You pay the publisher to print the article and then have to sign over the copyright. This is allowed to continue in large part because of the "publish or perish" environment in academia. The publishers can then charge excessive fees to access articles.

    Federally funded research should be in the public domain unless there's a very good reason it shouldn't be, such as legitimate national security interests. Elsevier is objecting to the FRPAA because mandating open access to federal research would prevent them from hiding it behind copyrights.

    The current system is broken in many ways. FRPAA isn't the answer, but it's a step in the right direction.

    1. Re:Of course Elsevier opposes public access by LihTox · · Score: 2

      We're talking about copyrights, not patents. A copyright doesn't prevent other companies from building on your work, it only prevents them from duplicating your words; they can still read the journal where your research is published.

      A patent is what prevents other people from using your ideas in their own inventions.

  5. Is this the work of Timothy Gowers? by Tibixe · · Score: 2

    This is very probably the result of a widespread boycott of Elsevier started by Cambridge mathematician Timothy Gowers and other researchers. Supporting RWA was one of the reasons they were fed up with Elsevier.

    How it all started: http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/elsevier-my-part-in-its-downfall/

  6. Seems appropriate by elashish14 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As anyone who has ever done research before would know, the name of the bill is a total fabrication. Good riddance.

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  7. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's whack.

    I'll try to explain it simply:
    The government finances scientific research, with tax money.
    That research is conducted by scientists, then other sicentists review the research for flaws, and finally the research is published in scientific journals. Elsevier is the editor of several such journals.

    Elsevier and other publishers do not pay scientists who do research and they do not pay the scientists who review the original research either. They don't pay anybody. They only pay the publication of journals (i.e. printing). And then they sell those journals for a very, very expensive sum of money. I don't have the prices, but it's so expensive that only universities buy these journals (even public libraries can't afford them).
    So Elsevier and other publishers like them make a ton of money through the work of others.

    Now get this:
    The government wanted research that it finances to be available to the public. Your tax money pays for research, therefore you should have access to that research - makes sense, right?
    Well Elsevier had a problem with that. Publishers such as them try to keep the research for themselves, in order to force universities and public services to buy their journals. So Elsevier pushed the Research Works Act.
    As the summary says, this act would make it illegal for the government to say "we'll pay for this research, but on the condition that the results are made public". Yes, I know how crazy it sounds but no, there's no mistake.
    It's like you paying an artist to make a painting, and then being forced to pay a publisher (on top of the artist) in order to receive the painting.

    The Federal Research Public Access Act, on the other hand, is a law that makes public access mandatory for research that is financed by the government. It's a good thing. Currently, the government can choose to pay for research without the results being made public. Where do you find the results then? In the journals of Elsevier and co. Why should you pay to see the research your tax money financed? You shouldn't!
    So that law is a good thing. It would put an end to research paid with tax money but locked away from the public. With that law, if your taxes pay for research, then you get access to it, no exceptions.

    On top of giving you what you are owed (i.e. the research you paid for), this law will also help science in general.
    The premise behind science is that every fact can be checked. You can either do the research yourself, or you can read the papers on the original research. This is important for scientists because if scientist A could not know what scientist B did, science would not advance.
    However, it is also important that the public be able to access the research. Science is important in society. Take global warming: there's a lot of controversy about it. Maybe it's real, maybe it's a hoax. People should be able to see all the research on it (and I mean the full original research, not a summary), and make their own opinion. Of course understanding all that research requires knowledge and intelligence, but people who wish to look at it should be able to do that. Science is about evidence and proof - science is not "I'm a scientist so believe everything I say!". Having science locked up behind expensive journals forces the public to trust scientists entirely, instead of letting the public study the research and make its own opinion.

    And why are expensive scientific journals an issue now? Because of the Internet and advances in computers. Before, these journals had to be printed. If you haven't seen these journals before, trust me, they're huge and there's usually a new one to print each month. Printing costs are high (although nowhere close to the sale price - trust me, the publishers make insane profits).
    But as long as these journals were printed, people tolerated the high prices. But now, with the Internet, the publishers have very little costs. The articles are written by scientists. They are also reviewed by other scientists. The editors do

  8. Re:What are you waiting for if you're an US citize by jank1887 · · Score: 3, Informative
  9. Re:I agree by jank1887 · · Score: 2

    well said. One point of interest to some: When you publish through almost all journals these days, they recognize that the version you submit is yours. The version that is peer reviewed is yours. The version that you give to them for typesetting is theirs once they do said editing, typsetting, printing.

    The problem is that with the time and effort it takes to get to the ready to print stage, only a small percentage of papers get 'published' in the pre-typeset form. almost all the info is there as it will be printed. I think some journals may claim some restriction, especially on 'public databases', but the ones I'e read are fairly straightforward about this (they may request you put a note in the document to the effect of 'this is a preprint of an article published in Journal XYZ on DD/MM/YYYY. Arxiv.org has gotten rather popular, but only for a small set of technical categories. DOE agencies have a lot of their papers posted on their websites. DOD less so, but DTIC.mil has a bunch. Both are spidered by google scholar.

  10. Re:I agree by j-beda · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a list of a lot of "open access" repositories at:

    http://roarmap.eprints.org/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROARMAP
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Open_access_archives
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArXiv

    In addition to funding agencies with open access requirements for research they fund, some fairly "big name" institutions in the US maintain documents produced by their faculty:

    Harvard Arts and Science - http://roarmap.eprints.org/75/
    University of California - http://roarmap.eprints.org/55/
    MIT - http://roarmap.eprints.org/122/

  11. Typeset your own papers by dingram17 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Engineers and Computer Scientists have this sorted with LaTeX. Others can take advantage of graphical editors for LaTeX like LyX, and generate publication quality manuscripts. The typeset output from the LaTeX IEEE template is not identical to what the IEEE finally typeset, but it is a very close copy. Similarly the Microsoft Word template is pretty good too.

    I know many journals only want 'plain text' and then do the typesetting. There is a lot of skill in this and it does cost money. Perhaps if the journals received LaTeX formatted text then the paper could be open access for free? Fat chance.

    Open Access is required at my university, and we are required to publish the 'accepted version', but not the 'published version' (with some exceptions). OAKList provides a reference for publication policies.

    1. Re:Typeset your own papers by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      The typeset output from the LaTeX IEEE template is not identical to what the IEEE finally typeset,

      Indeed it isn't. I've published at the IEEE. Do you know, they can't typeset tables? Honestly, it's true. They extract the table from the LaTeX'd document as a very high resolution bitmap and then insert it into their document.

      Similarly the Microsoft Word template is pretty good too.

      It's a pretty poor approximation. The typesetting in word simply isn't up to the task.

      I know many journals only want 'plain text' and then do the typesetting.

      I've never encountered one.

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  12. Re:Doesn't go far enough by reasterling · · Score: 2

    now academics are increasingly looking for alternatives to avoid sacking researchers.

    GREAT. If you think patenting your research and locking it behind a pay wall is the way to make money then do it. Just don't ask me(the tax payer) to fund it for you. Go, start your own business. You have a PhD you can do this. Put on your big boy pants and stop asking us tax payers to fund your research.

    If, on the other hand, you want our help with funding then quit griping and play by OUR rules. If you take our money then you are working for us. Whatever your work produces while you are working for us is ours. If you don't like it then get another job or start your own company.

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  13. Re:I agree by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because we are given jobs by big university HR departments. They count up "impact factors" and other BS metrics to measure your output. So publishing elsewhere can be a good way to not get your next job.

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  14. Re:Bill supported by only one company? by michelcolman · · Score: 2

    Yes, I was pretty shocked by that detail as well. Maybe it's because I'm European, but I thought laws were made by lawmakers and, even though companies could be allowed to do some lobbying, the lawmakers were the ones who made the decision based on objective reasoning, like wise men. In reality, apparently, it's companies that decide whether to "support" laws (by buying congressmen to vote for it) or kill them (by buying congressmen to vote against it). It doesn't even appear to strike most slashdot users as abnormal anymore.

  15. Re:How is this allowed? by LizardKing · · Score: 2

    This is a German company, why are they allowed to lobby our government?

    Anglo-Dutch actually. I worked for them as a contractor in their Oxford and Amsterdam offices.