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Microsoft Launches Windows 8 Consumer Preview
suraj.sun writes "Microsoft on Wednesday made the Consumer Preview of Windows 8 available for download to the general public. Built with touch computing and apps in mind, Windows 8 is crucial to Microsoft's efforts to make inroads against Apple and Google in the red-hot tablet market, where the company is significantly behind rivals. Windows 8 marks the biggest change to the OS since the aforementioned 95 flavor (which, shockingly, turns 17 this year). With Windows 8 comes the introduction of a Metro-style interface, inspired by the lovely and intuitive presentation found in Windows Phone. In it, apps and functions are pinned to tiles and, to interact with those apps, you simply tap those tiles. The former Start Menu has been replaced by a full-screen view of tiles that you can scroll through horizontally. You can pin applications, shortcuts, documents, webpages and any number of other things, customizing the interface in any way you like — so long as what you like is rectangular and only extends from left to right."
MrSeb wrote on with info on generating a USB stick installer from the available images, and itwebennet with details about IE10.
I had the Win8 Developer Preview, and I *HATED* the Metro Interface. IMHO it was ugly and a PITA to use. It does not scale well to a standard WIMP interface.
Maybe for a tablet, it's OK.
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full screen start menu nice on small screen not so much on a big one / more then 1.
As such I will not buy any computer with Windows 8 on it. Hope Apple realizes this before the next OS X is released, but I doubt it.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
Does anyone else take exception to the use of the word "consumer" instead of "customer"?
My organization is in the middle of deploying Windows 7 to replace XP desktops.
Given the costs and time of doing this, it will likely be several years before this gets replaced.
I wonder if other organizations are only just getting to Win 7, if Win 8 might become one of those releases that everyone bypasses since they just finished upgrading. That would likely hurt MIcrosoft.
Anybody got any screenshots for the new interface? I'm curious to know how trying to make something optimized for phones and tablets is going to work as an actual desktop interface. It sounds like they might be trying a bit of a "one size fits all" approach, which doesn't always work so well.
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How are they mimicking iOS? Aside from lots of use of multitouch, I'd describe it as a radically different UI style.
From a geek's perspective, ever since iOS came out, OSes have been competing to out-crapify each other.
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Yeah, it looks just like my Xbox -- when they updated it and added ads to it. I don't want ads in my fucking Xbox screen, why did they feel compelled to "monetize" my game console? They already got paid for it.
Greedy bastards.
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The cloud thing is a whole different issue.
"inspired by the lovely and intuitive presentation found in Windows Phone"
Is that just mean, or plain ignorant? The Windows smartphones have no market share any longer. Look at the stats for smartphones - http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/14/shocker-android-grew-us-market-share-after-q2-ios-was-static/
That expensive effort from Microsoft was killed by Android and Apple.
Why copy a product with a sinking market share? Do they believe the new Nokia hardware will sell their operating system for PCs?
I used the Developer Preview as my main OS for a few weeks. On Windows 7 I pin all of my apps to the taskbar. I did the same thing with Windows 8. So I had all the goodness of Windows 8 but all the availability of Windows 7. I came to think of it as Windows 7 on steroids.I may well go back to Windows 8 as my OS of choice.
I paid for the device
But you didn't pay enough for the device. Console makers traditionally make very slim margins (or occasionally even a loss) on the device in order to make it up with high margins on the products that contribute to attach rate.
Remember them? When your ISP still thought that you would visit their home page for anything else but to find the way to cancel the service?
Yahoo was just one of many to do this and often it meant that what you came for was completely impossible to find. MS has never lost this, its web presence is a design nightmare. There really even isn't one. Every little thing gets its own site, often barely working and then gets forgotten. It also happens to bigger things, MS pushed its own solution for selling music for music players, then it dropped it completely when it launched the Zune and then it dropped the Zune. Games for Windows has had many forms, launched and forgotten again.
But now... this approach has made it to the desktop and it ain't new at all. Active Desktop, widgets,gadgets, someone at MS seriously believes that people spend all their time looking at their desktop. Are you? Right now, how much space on the screen in front of you is taken up by the browser?
Right... where are all those Metro blocks supposed to go?
The engadget article doesn't suprise me. Did you see the monitor in the video? I didn't even know they still made them that small. The original Mac had a bigger screen for fucks sake. Now try the same interface and the scroll down for start menu on a triple 30 inch monitor setup. And I am thinking of going to 6. Apples unified menu system, Unity, Gnome 3. They ALL suck with big screens. Of course not everyone has a big screen... even more reason to use the available space for what you are working on. Where are the metro apps? Hidden... now you want something else... so you are supposed to minimize all applications, then click on the desktop and get that app running fullscreen because you need full details... that is handy?
No... this is a classic designer mistake, it looks pretty but it isn't usable. If you demo it, you have only one app running and as you make the metro desktop appear you pause and show the wealth of information available to you and how easy it is to get a detailed view open... very nice, very smooth and totally NOT how you do it when you are working.
Jagged Alliance 2 was a turnbased game that on every move, had the bottom 3rd of the screen drop out and appear again to change the display. Very pretty... once... the millionth time, you want to exterminate the designer and everyone he ever met.
I just don't see people use their PC's the way the metro app seems to think. Most people I know work with either full screen applications or have them covering the desktop and switch them the taskbar or by alt-tabbing. The desktop just never is in view. That is why Active Desktop never got anywhere, people never saw it. With the new linux desktop Enlightenment it is possible to make animated wallpapers... cute... and there is a reason nobody else has bothered with it, because you never see the damn thing. The desktop and start menu are there to get you started... from then on, you switch between applications and never ever close them. Only the most infrequent users and under powered constantly shut down their PC and start it up again. I know one person like that and she has firefox on autostart and arranges it to cover the desktop with her IM.
The Metro style is the domain of movie UI's. I remember one Sci-Fi movie with I think Robert Sellect (magnum PI) in which he goes through a morning routine with a robot. It is a common enough scene in future movies and it just doesn't happen. A: No human being can possibly care to be informed in detail about the weather outside, the news, appointments, social chat with relatives, banter with the AI before they got a cup of coffee. B: Any AI system at the moment that would display so much information would display the wrong thing at the wrong time and C: INFORMATION OVERLOAD.
I check my mail... then I read the comics... then I check the weather. Display them all at once... and WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE ADS FOR THOSE FREE SERVICES?
I think this will be another MS Bob. Vista? To small a disast
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You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
I'm a longtime Apple guy who also owns, uses, and mostly enjoys Windows Phone 7. Metro is a fresh take on what software should look like, and since Apple hasn't done any graphic innovation since 2007 I really appreciate it.
But on the desktop? Mixed in with traditional Windows applications? On your boss's computer? OMG train wreck!
Mixing two UX metaphors is an unbelievably bad idea. It's a big reason why Linux on the Desktop is a hard sell. It's why people intuitively avoid Java applications. It's why Adobe has struggled on OS X. And in all three of those cases we're talking about power users having trouble switching UX contexts.
If you do this in plain vanilla Windows you're going to have confusion on a whole new level. Grandma is not going to understand why some apps work this way and some apps work that way. Or why there are two versions of Internet Explorer. Or what happened to the Start button that I've been clicking to do *everything* for the past 15 years?
I have a lot of respect for Metro and what the team behind it is trying to do. They should just stick with a phone/tablet OS that is Metro-only all the time and not try to do this unholy mix on the desktop.
Because the use case for the tablet isn't primarily for creating content.
Everyone I know with a tablet is using it to surf the web, play games, play videos, and do a small amount of email. Doesn't matter who makes it. It's not their work machine.
As long as people know that they're buying a secondary machine for doing other things, the tablet concept will hold up.
Not everyone is doing advanced photo editing or writing spreadsheets -- in fact, I'd be hard pressed to tell you the last time I made a spreadsheet. But when I travel on business, the tablet lets me watch movies on the plane, check news and gmail from the airport and hotel, and gives me some games to play in the evenings, find nearby restaurants. After work I can put it on the hotel bar, have a drink, read a few things, and then decide what I'm doing that evening.
My last bunch of business trips, I've brought my laptop, but never used it. My tablet, however, gets loads of use.
The advantage is that I can use it in my recliner, in the backyard, in bed, in a car, and more comfortably in an airplane than I could a netbook. I can't do any content creation on my music player either, and I'm OK with that. Because that's not what I bought it for.
Is it so hard to accept that probably the vast majority of what most people are doing is simply consuming media? To me it's mostly an entertainment device with some light internet connectivity, and works well as that.
My brother managed to get himself a 7" Android tablet for about $150 after Christmas, and he's not much of a techie. But, he uses it for eBooks, watching movies, and quickly checking stuff on the internet. He occasionally does some CAD work as a hobby ... but he uses his desktop for that.
Do you have a smart phone? If you do, are you concerned you can't do any serious work on it? Or are you using it differently than you would your desktop? (In fact, I know people with smart phones who see the tablet as something they don't need ... I don't have a smart phone, so the tablet is better for me. To some people, they fill the same niche.)
Anybody who expects it to replace their work machine is going to be disappointed. If you have a little spare cash to buy it as an entertainment device, it's worth the money.
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