Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin Beta 1 Released

All bugs? by busyqth · 2012-03-01 09:26 · Score: 5, Insightful

developers maintain that all bugs will be ironed out before Ubuntu 12.04 goes gold

Good luck with that.

Re:All bugs? by The+MAZZTer · 2012-03-01 09:32 · Score: 2

I assume they are talking about all major outstanding bugs in their HUD feature.
Re:All bugs? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-03-01 09:34 · Score: 5, Funny

And this will be accomplished by re-designating all "Major" bugs to "Minor" 48 hours before Gold Date.
We cut out the hard part and pass the savings on to us!
Re:All bugs? by pecosdave · 2012-03-01 11:19 · Score: 4, Interesting

I'm frustrated with Dolphin - regardless of distro. It's almost right but then it always has one little frustrating annoyance or another. I've switched to using Krusader on my non-Kubuntu systems (there's a back end bug that fails to copy some files properly on really big large number of files moves, like when I drag and drop my music collection but only on Kubuntu). It took me a while to warm up to it, but Krusader really makes file management easy for me, especially after I start setting bookmarks and I got used to sliding tabs from one side to the other.

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Re:All bugs? by devphaeton · 2012-03-01 13:23 · Score: 5, Funny

I would love a better KDE distro, but it has to use the Debian package management system and have huge respositories.
Any suggestions?
How about Debian? It uses the Debian package management system and has huge repositories.

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Re:All bugs? by devphaeton · 2012-03-02 06:39 · Score: 2

The unmentioned part of that is "and isn't over a year obsolete".
Debian Stable is behind the times, yes. But there is also Testing and Unstable branches.
Don't let the "Unstable" namesake fool you- I've run it for over a decade and have only had the same amount of trouble that I've gotten from other 'mature' distros. Ubuntu and Mint are both based on the Unstable branch, as most of the other "Debian derived" systems are.
Debian still happens to be "oldschool" enough to where you can start with the base install and build whatever system you want. It's not as "prepackaged" as something like Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu.
It's worth a look.

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Precise Pangolin by NonSequor · 2012-03-01 09:30 · Score: 4, Funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaqqV--rnGY

If I'm going to have a pangolin related song from a cartoon i watched 25 years ago stuck in my head, then I'm taking all of you down with me.

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Right by TheSpoom · 2012-03-01 09:40 · Score: 5, Insightful

All I know is, I'm waiting for the reviews before updating this time. Most likely I'll be on Mint pretty soon anyway. Unity gave me a severe distaste for anything Canonical.

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Re:Right by __Paul__ · 2012-03-01 09:46 · Score: 2

Yes, Unity sucks, but why can't you use one of the other desktop environments that are still in Ubuntu?
It didn't take me long to make the Gnome 3 Classic environment look and work the same as Gnome 2 had.

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Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by Anonymous Coward · 2012-03-01 09:44 · Score: 3, Insightful

Umm...why?

Unity was pretty buggy when it was first released but you could say that about practically every piece of OSS that's ever been released. It's since matured quite a bit, and if you like a tablet-style interface for your desktop (or just something a bit different from whatever version of Windows is popular at the time), what's wrong with it?

Kubuntu doesn't need funding to continue on existing, that's up to the community and the package maintainers. If they dry up and disappear than maybe it's a lack of interest for KDE on Ubuntu that's the real problem.

Too early, wrong server by JRiddell · 2012-03-01 09:47 · Score: 5, Informative

Hi, I'm the release driver for Beta 1.

Ubuntu Beta 1 is not released yet and will not be released until posted to ubuntu-announce. Until then we might pull the images if we find problems.

This slashdot story is also weirdly linking to the wrong server for Ubuntu, cdimage has only DVDs and other obscure images for Ubuntu, almost everyone will want the CDs. You can find the link to those on the release announcement when it is posted.

Re:Too early, wrong server by data2 · 2012-03-01 10:07 · Score: 3

Really, slashdot is _early_?

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by emblemparade · 2012-03-01 09:48 · Score: 5, Informative

The funding amounted to paying one single Canonical employee to work specifically on Kubuntu.

Kubuntu is remaining an official Ubuntu variant and will continue to be updated by the community. Moreover, bugs to the KDE package (which is part of the main repository) will continue to be fixed by anyone at Canonical, and patches will continue to be sent upstream.

The "drop funding" issue has been blown out of proportion.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by JRiddell · 2012-03-01 09:48 · Score: 5, Informative

Please stay with us. I will be making an announcement soon which will explain how Kubuntu will continue after 12.04 just as it did for 11.10 (when Canonical also did not fund anyone to work on it).

Pfft! Preposterous! by grahamd0 · 2012-03-01 09:51 · Score: 5, Funny

Canonical has lost all respect from me by passing on the opportunity to call their release "Pretty Pony".

Some people just have no class.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by Anonymous Coward · 2012-03-01 09:56 · Score: 5, Funny

You sure showed them! You dropped Kubuntu because it would only be maintained by the community in favor of a distro that would only be maintained by the community .

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by gshegosh · 2012-03-01 09:56 · Score: 2

Also, Ubuntu is base on Debian. What's your point?

Re:"Pingolin" in Portuguese by David+Gerard · 2012-03-01 10:01 · Score: 3, Funny

Dude. 8.04 was called "Hairy Hardon."

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Xubuntu or PCLinuxOS by AliasMarlowe · 2012-03-01 10:02 · Score: 2

Yup, Unity is the reason I'm still running 10.10

Version 11+ seems to be dumbing down the OS much like Windows exists today. I understand they want to appeal to a greater number of users but, in my opinion, it's a step in the wrong direction for Ubuntu.

I'm running 10.04 LTS, and will continue to do so for a while. Most likely, the two PCs with the gnome interface will be upgraded to use xfce (i.e. Ubuntu 10.04 will become Xubuntu 12.04 LTS). One of our PCs already uses Xubuntu 10.04 LTS, so it will be a straight upgrade. I have installed Ubuntu 11.10 on a VM, and it sucks; I've also installed Linux Mint (menu sucks and can't be avoided), Suse (menu and other stuff sucks), etc. on VMs, and the only one which has a chance of supplanting Ubuntu is one of the flavors of PCLinuxOS.

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Re:10.10 updates will expire by David+Gerard · 2012-03-01 10:04 · Score: 4, Informative

ALWAYS INSTALL XUBUNTU CLEANLY, not over an existing GNOME3/Unity infestation. Unity messes with various GTK+ settings in your config and shit won't work right.

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Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by PraiseBob · 2012-03-01 10:06 · Score: 5, Interesting

I think that is the point. Mint is almost Ubuntu, but based on Gnome3 instead of Unity. The guys behind Mint care about making Gnome3 work, and Canonical doesn't.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by grimmjeeper · 2012-03-01 10:16 · Score: 5, Insightful

The bugs in unity are not the biggest problem people have with Ubuntu and Unity. Linux users of all types are used to buggy code.

No, the problem is Unity itself. It's a UI that just doesn't appeal to many Linux users. Some people love it. Sure. But a lot of us can't stand all of the crap and bloat that has infected user interfaces over the years. A lot of us want a simple and clean interface that stays out of the way. I want to be able to fire up a browser or three, my IDE, my email, a file manager, and once in a while a terminal or two. I want simple buttons and menus and a UI that lets me move windows around without all sorts of flashy special effects that get in the way. I want a couple of "desktops" so that I can leave my development area as it is while I type up a document on a word processor.

I'm not running a tablet. I don't need my UI to act like one. I have a full keyboard and mouse and I'm doing real work with real programs. I want a simple interface that lets me do that. For me, Linux Mint gives me all of what was great about Ubuntu but with a UI that I can tailor to my liking. I fire up my desktop with MATE, which is still a little buggy, and I get things done.

If you like Unity, go ahead and use it. But for people who like KDE and the old GNOME 2.x UI, Ubuntu has driven itself into irrelevance.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by hugh+nicks · 2012-03-01 10:25 · Score: 2

I did exactly the same thing. Once I heard that KDE was done, I grabbed the RC for Linux Mint (KDE) and haven't looked back. I even burnt my dad an ISO and told him how to backup his data, and install Mint instead of Kubuntu. And he's been using Kubuntu since '08. I won't recommend Ubuntu for anyone's systems anymore, and I used to do it *a lot*.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by g2devi · 2012-03-01 10:26 · Score: 4, Informative

I'm on 11.10 now after stalling at 10.10 until about a month ago. I figured GNOME 2.0 is on the way out so I'd eventually have to get used to some other environment.

I gave Unity a shot, but it was too slow. Unity 2D is pretty snappy and not too bad, but it's really meant only for people who run one application at a time. I don't so it was always getting in my way. I couldn't stand Kubuntu and Lubuntu felt awkward.

But Xubuntu is most definitely a viable option even if it is a step down from GNOME 2.x.

I would have settled on XFCE, but discovered to my surprise that GNOME Shell with extensions gives you 95% of everything GNOME 2.0 did and has almost the same look and feel. It's what I'm using now and I'd rather move to Debian than give it up (if Ubuntu stopped supporting it).

So I'd suggest to take the plunge and upgrade. You have at least two viable options awaiting you.

Re:Ubuntu Formula by JanneM · 2012-03-01 10:28 · Score: 3, Interesting

I mostly like it too. Especially love the top menu bar; gives me extra vertical space in every app almost for free. I haven't met anybody in real life who thought Unity was a bad idea either.

Suspect this is a "greasy wheel" kind of thing, where those who are dissatisfied are loud and visible on places like slashdot, while most users have nothing much to complain about and keep silent. And most complaints really are about configurability, not basic functionality. A decent tool to do all the typical config changes people want would go a long way towards solving the issues for many of those people.

My only complaint really is Compiz, not Unity. Should use something more stable and less resource intensive.

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Re:Is that really the name? by Spykk · 2012-03-01 10:29 · Score: 4, Funny

Pedantic Penguin was the obvious choice. I don't know what they were thinking.

Re:"Pingolin" in Portuguese by mug+funky · 2012-03-01 10:32 · Score: 2

cock jokes are always funny, you humourless clod!

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by mug+funky · 2012-03-01 10:37 · Score: 3, Informative

all due respect, i am running 10.10 netbook remix (first test of unity), and i currently have 3 browsers open, 3 terminals, a photo-editing app (darktable is pretty damn good these days) which i compile myself, plus skype, and occasionally dosbox'd doom2 and carmageddon.

the interface will get out of your way if you hit f11.

just sayin'. unity is certainly not perfect, but i use the sidebar more often than not. some stuff i'll launch from a terminal.

Kubuntu and KDE by JRiddell · 2012-03-01 10:43 · Score: 5, Informative

Here is the announcement from Kubuntu that confirms we will carry on for 12.04 and thereafter just as we did before. There are other sponsors of Kubuntu besides Canonical and a thriving contributor community.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by grimmjeeper · 2012-03-01 10:43 · Score: 5, Insightful

all due respect, i am running 10.10 netbook remix (first test of unity), and i currently have 3 browsers open, 3 terminals, a photo-editing app (darktable is pretty damn good these days) which i compile myself, plus skype, and occasionally dosbox'd doom2 and carmageddon.

the interface will get out of your way if you hit f11.

just sayin'. unity is certainly not perfect, but i use the sidebar more often than not. some stuff i'll launch from a terminal.

If you like Unity, great. Use it. But for a lot of us, we don't want to have a side bar. We don't want all of these tablet like "features". We don't want to have to hit F11 for the UI to get out of the way. We want the UI to be out of the way as a matter of design. So for us, Ubuntu is irrelevant. But that doesn't mean you have to do what we do.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by pecosdave · 2012-03-01 10:59 · Score: 2

Well, I have Kubuntu on my main system that I'm using now and on two laptops rarely used, but still relevant. I have Mythbuntu on my daughters netbook with MythTV stripped out since it frustrated me and XBMC in its place. Sounds silly but it works great. Currently the only thing I have running Linux Mint is my netbook, which I actually use all the time when I'm on the go, I got a buggy KDE issue I had trouble resolving and instead of just deleting my config files and starting over on KDE only (my usual shotgun fix when I can't isolate the problem) I switched to Mint since the bug appeared quite close to the de-funding announcement.

My staying with you depends on my motivation to re-install my other systems.

Re-installing from scratch isn't particularly difficult, I always start fresh to prevent buggy little issues I have to chase down, the type that can happen by migrating and trying to save a massive number of configs.

I'm staying with you on the other systems as long as you don't motivate me to leave and I don't find some other reason to re-install, such as a failed hard disk. I switched to Kubuntu from Debian due to Debian motivating me through "stable" issues. Keeping me from switching out of frustration is up to you keeping things working with a minimum of frustrating troubleshooting. Keeping me when I get the next new system or the next hard disk failure depends not only keeping the frustration down but also making me feel like my choice of desktops is something you respect.

BTW - fixing krename and making SNES work on AMD 64 wouldn't hurt either.

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Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by IronHalik · 2012-03-01 10:59 · Score: 3, Informative

How come you refer to single people who like Unity, and you say 'we' when referring to those who don't? As far as I can tell, from Ubuntu IRC channels, people who are so troubled by Unity are in minority. Very loud minority.

If you don't like it, there's XFCE for you - it has been branded as the 'proper' DE by Torvalds himself.

For me, Unity allows for less clutter, faster access to files and software, more real estate. What it could do, is use Mutter instead of Compiz - it's faster and less bloated. (Gnome-shell uses it)

Gnome and Ubuntu are losing to other distros by Anonymous Coward · 2012-03-01 11:10 · Score: 4, Insightful

people who are so troubled by Unity are in minority.

Have you noticed that Unbuntu has been overtaken by other distros? End users are speaking, and Gnome developers are not listening. I am not the first to notice.

Why Isn't GNOME Listening?

What has GNOME learned from user reactions to GNOME 3? Apparently, only how to ignore feedback. ...

In fact, GNOME appears so little interested in feedback that Day simply turned off comments after 115 had been posted. The comments were not particularly hostile -- some were favorable and almost all of them polite and informed -- but the comments were cut off, despite the obvious eagerness for discussion.

http://www.datamation.com/open-source/why-isnt-gnome-listening-1.html

Re:Gnome and Ubuntu are losing to other distros by js_sebastian · 2012-03-01 12:38 · Score: 2

people who are so troubled by Unity are in minority.
Have you noticed that Unbuntu has been overtaken by other distros?
No, because it hasn't. On distrowatch, mint has caught up with ubuntu, but Distrowatch has a niche public of linux geeks. For the general public, ubuntu is more well known than all other linux distros combined. Try google trends "linux ubuntu" versus "linux mint". Or take a look at this article: http://www.starryhope.com/ubuntu-most-popular-linux-distro/. ubuntu gets twice as much google queries as the other top 9 distributions *combined*.
Re:Gnome and Ubuntu are losing to other distros by amiga3D · 2012-03-01 13:57 · Score: 2

You're right that it hasn't been overtaken but it has lost a lot of ground. It will most likely lose more as people like myself will not be installing it for family and friends anymore. The last few installs I have done are linux mint.
Re:Gnome and Ubuntu are losing to other distros by unixisc · 2012-03-02 23:50 · Score: 2

On distrowatch - which is by no means the sole place that people go to get downloads of their favorite distro - Ubuntu has lost ground to Mint, but it's still #2. Fedora is still a distanat 3rd, followed by OpenSuse, Arch, Debian, Centos and so on. But I do agree w/ you that it will lose more ground, as it has abandoned not only Gnome2 but KDE as well, and is likely to drop support for Xubuntu and Lubuntu in future, going by their trends. Also, if they have decided that their only future is on servers and tablets, it may well be that they've thrown in the towel as far as the desktop goes.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by hawguy · 2012-03-01 12:03 · Score: 2

I'm sorry what is the 2nd person plural?

I believe that would be you'uns (sometimes pronounced "yens" or "yins"). For example: "Are you'uns going to the store?"

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by Anonymous Coward · 2012-03-01 12:04 · Score: 2, Informative

Doom 2 in dosbox? You're doing it wrong. Check out a modern source port like GZDoom / ZDoom or even Skulltag.

Re:Is that really the name? by cr_nucleus · 2012-03-01 12:09 · Score: 2

as Linus is on the warpath this week, I think he should shoot whomever came up with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin Beta 1

I believe Shuttleworth wouldn't be too happy about that (being shot)...

Re:Ubuntu Formula by NonEvil+Twin · 2012-03-01 12:13 · Score: 2

I was really scared by all the stuff I read about it, and switched back to XFCE, which I have used on and off since back in the day. I did some distro hopping, even though I've used Ubuntu since Warty, and I first tried Gnome Shell, since Gnome 2 was going away anyway. I tried really hard, but I just don't like Gnome Shell. Even adding extensions, it just doesn't feel right. I finally gave up and re-installed 11.04 on my laptop and dove into Unity, and I don't see what the big deal is. It doesn't seem like a tablet interface, it's just different. It got better in 11.10, and I'm happy. I'd like some tweaks to the Dash, but overall, it stays out of the way and lets me focus on whatever program I'm running.

There's always an alternative.... by couchslug · 2012-03-01 12:34 · Score: 5, Funny

http://www.debian.org/

I think it's a fork of Ubuntu or something.

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Xubuntu by tepples · 2012-03-01 12:54 · Score: 2

Unity gave me a severe distaste

At which point I promptly did sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and didn't look back.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by Lincolnshire+Poacher · 2012-03-01 12:54 · Score: 4, Insightful

Linux Mint gives me all of what was great about Ubuntu but with a UI that I can tailor to my liking.

But you had that in Ubuntu:

apt-get install xfce4

or whatever. GDM would even add it as a login option automatically for you.

Why go to all the trouble of installing another distro when the functionality to change UI was five minutes away?

Re:10.10 updates will expire by rubycodez · 2012-03-01 13:56 · Score: 4, Informative

bullshit, it's a pain in the ass.

remove the .gconf* and .gnome directories in your home directories or your xfce stuff will be partially fucked by GNOME3

then

sudo apt-get remove adium-theme-ubuntu apg appmenu-gtk appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-qt at-spi2-core bamfdaemon banshee banshee-extension-soundmenu banshee-extension-ubuntuonemusicstore baobab binfmt-support bluez-gstreamer branding-ubuntu brasero brasero-cdrkit brasero-common checkbox checkbox-gtk cli-common compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-plugins-default compiz-plugins-main-default compizconfig-backend-gconf deja-dup duplicity dvd+rw-tools empathy empathy-common eog evolution-data-server evolution-data-server-common example-content gbrainy gedit gedit-common geoclue geoclue-ubuntu-geoip ginn gir1.2-atspi-2.0 gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0 gir1.2-gtksource-3.0 gir1.2-indicate-0.6 gir1.2-peas-1.0 gir1.2-totem-1.0 gir1.2-totem-plparser-1.0 gir1.2-wnck-3.0 gnome-bluetooth gnome-control-center gnome-control-center-data gnome-desktop3-data gnome-disk-utility gnome-font-viewer gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gnome-media gnome-nettool gnome-online-accounts gnome-orca gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-screenshot gnome-search-tool gnome-session gnome-session-bin gnome-session-canberra gnome-session-common gnome-settings-daemon gnome-system-log gnome-system-monitor gnome-terminal gnome-terminal-data gnome-user-share gnome-utils-common growisofs gstreamer0.10-gconf gvfs-backends gwibber gwibber-service gwibber-service-facebook gwibber-service-identica gwibber-service-twitter hwdata ibus-gtk3 indicator-appmenu indicator-datetime indicator-power indicator-session intel-gpu-tools libappindicator0.1-cil libarchive1 libatk-adaptor libatspi2.0-0 libaudio2 libbamf0 libbamf3-0 libboost-serialization1.46.1 libbrasero-media3-1 libcamel-1.2-29 libcanberra-pulse libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio10 libcompizconfig0 libdbus-glib1.0-cil libdbus1.0-cil libdbusmenu-qt2 libdconf-dbus-1-0 libdconf-qt0 libdconf0 libdecoration0 libebackend-1.2-1 libebook1.2-12 libecal1.2-10 libedata-book-1.2-11 libedata-cal-1.2-13 libedataserver1.2-15 libedataserverui-3.0-1 libexempi3 libfolks-telepathy25 libfolks25 libgail-3-common libgail-common libgconf2.0-cil libgdata-common libgdata1.7-cil libgdata13 libgdiplus libgdu-gtk0 libgeoclue0 libgexiv2-0 libgif4 libgkeyfile1.0-cil libglew1.5 libglewmx1.5 libglib2.0-bin libglib2.0-cil libglib2.0-data libgmime-2.4-2 libgmime2.4-cil libgnome-control-center1 libgnome-desktop-3-2 libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 libgnome-menu2 libgnome2-common libgnomekbd-common libgnomekbd7 libgoa-1.0-0 libgpgme11 libgpod-common libgpod4 libgtk-sharp-beans-cil libgtk2.0-cil libgtkmm-3.0-1 libgtksourceview-3.0-0 libgtksourceview-3.0-common libgtkspell3-0 libgudev1.0-cil libgweather-3-0 libgweather-common libgwibber-gtk2 libgwibber2 libhyphen0 libidl0 liblaunchpad-integration1.0-cil liblircclient0 liblouis-data liblouis2 libmetacity-private0 libmhash2 libmission-control-plugins0 libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil libmono-addins0.2-cil libmono-cairo4.0-cil libmono-corlib4.0-cil libmono-csharp4.0-cil libmono-i18n-west4.0-cil libmono-i18n4.0-cil libmono-posix4.0-cil libmono-security4.0-cil libmono-sharpzip4.84-cil libmono-system-configuration4.0-cil libmono-system-core4.0-cil libmono-system-drawing4.0-cil libmono-system-security4.0-cil libmono-system-xml4.0-cil libmono-system4.0-cil libmono-zeroconf1.0-cil libmtp-common libmtp-runtime libmtp9 libmysqlclient16 libmythes-1.2-0 libneon27-gnutls libnotify0.4-cil libnux-1.0-0 libnux-1.0-common liboauth0 liborbit2 liboverlay-scrollbar-0.2-0 liboverlay-scrollbar3-0.2-0 libpeas-1.0-0 libpeas-common libprotobuf7 libprotoc7 libpth20 libqt4-dbus libqt4-declarative libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqtbamf1 libqtcore4 libqtdee2 libqtgconf1 libqtgui4 libquvi0 libraptor2-0 librasqal3 librdf0 libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-emailmerge libreoffice-gn

Re:AND it's no SNES works finelonger relevant. by mister_playboy · 2012-03-01 14:07 · Score: 2

-making SNES work on AMD 64 wouldn't hurt either.

Are you trying to use ZSNES? Don't bother. Use snes9x or bsnes instead.

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Re:AND it's no longer relevant. by MichaelSmith · 2012-03-01 20:11 · Score: 2

Its distros all the way down.

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