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LulzSec Leader Sabu Unmasked, Arrested and Caught Collaborating
Velcroman1 writes "Law enforcement agents on two continents swooped in on top members of the infamous computer hacking group LulzSec early this morning, and acting largely on evidence gathered by the organization's brazen leader — who sources say has been secretly working for the government for months — arrested three and charged two more with conspiracy. Charges against four of the five were based on a conspiracy case filed in New York federal court, FoxNews.com has exclusively learned. An indictment charging the suspects, who include two men from Great Britain, two from Ireland and an American in Chicago is expected to be unsealed Tuesday morning in the Southern District of New York. 'This is devastating to the organization,' said an FBI official involved with the investigation. 'We're chopping off the head of LulzSec.'"
...For the lulz
mole mole mole mole! (read it like Austin Powers)
Seriously... they scored the head of the organization as a mole? Either blatant luck, or someone knew what they were doing.
Or option C, said head has little scruples.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
This is why any kind of Hacking intent should never be combined with monetary interests. It should be left alone as a Hobby. Getting involved in Politics is dangerous, especially if you are doing something illegal. And this might as well be a set up.
WAIT! It's a story from Fox News. Wait until a more reputable news source reports the details. All every other reputable source is saying is that some dude got arrested and the feds think he's part of lulzsec. The rest is probably exaggeration if not complete fabrication and speculation on the part of that news organization. Do not assume anything in the article is true.
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I think you're getting LulzSec mixed up with Anonymous. Although there's some crossover between the two, they're generally regarded as separate entities.
This should be interesting to follow. They may have cut off the head of LulzSec but is this going to be like a hydra?
Certainly there are already other "LulzSec wannabes" out-there following in Sabu's wake.
I have split feelings about this. Lulzsec didn't do anything to directly harm my interests- although, theoretically they could have at any time- yet having rogue groups like LS was a threat to all people in one way or another. On the other hand- a world with no LulzSec would be a threat to us too. When governments can quickly lock down groups like this- government has too much power.
It is probably just and right that Sabu go to jail- but it's also good they couldn't catch him too quickly... if you understand what I mean.
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If it's the same Jeremy Hammond, he's a known item in Chicago for some time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Hammond
The talk page is interesting as well.
Only people on the dole and school kids have time to do this shit, the rest of us have to earn an honest living.
A little bitter and prejudiced are we? No, it's not just kids that do this kind of thing. All that malware leeching away your personal data was not designed by teenagers or unemployed people. Software like that is often designed and used by people who are well-educated, often have jobs, and are otherwise just like you except for one minor detail: They think your working class ethos means dick, and they want to actually get ahead in the world rather than working for The Man forever and ever for crap health insurance and a shot at that extra $0.30 raise at the end of the year after using up their "generous" 11 days of vacation for the year... which also counts as their sick days... which means the average person spends their "vacation" being sick, and then gets written up and denied that $0.30 raise for taking too many days off. You might have heard of the most successful malware currently in use: It's called Facebook, and it's a scam that's become so popular that it has been incorporated and now has its own laison with the government (you know how much they hate competition in these kinds of things...)
I know Slashdot is in love with the idea of some lone samurai learning to hack in some temple somewhere, then bravely venturing forth fully versed in the art of code-fu, but it's just as fictional as those samurai movies: The overwhelming majority of people these days learn their trade on the job, or in school, and then they do this kind of stuff on the side. You just hear about the unemployed and school kids a lot more because (a) they're more likely to have deficits in their understanding of how to do this without getting caught and (b) if caught they're not going to be able to put up money for any kind of a legal defense.
No sane employer will want him within a mile of their systems.
You do realize that by denying people access to employment after their jail term has ended, you're leaving them only one option: Criminal activity, correct? The world of crime is a lot more amiable to a meritocracy than the corporate one; They don't try to hold onto weird beliefs like thinking how a person dresses is an indicator of potential, for example. It's just food for thought... not that I expect much thinking from you... you seem to be very narrow minded and prejudiced against the disadvantaged in general, so why would you ever stop and consider that maybe the problem is as much how we're treating them as their lack of ethics? Remember: You can't eat ethics. A very small number of people will be dicks just to be dicks, but the vast majority of people engage in unethical behavior because it has a benefit to them. That benefit is usually pretty basic too: Food, shelter, clothing, sex, etc. Of course, once they've gotten into the criminal world, it's hard to turn back because it's so goddamned profitable. So people wind up sticking a toe in the water and wind up getting pulled in deep. That's how it usually goes... no tricks, no arguments, no politics... just people who had some hard times, reached for the closest life preserver, and got sucked in.
We create the criminals when we allow social injustice.
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Sadly, it really comes down to who you work for rather then what you are doing. If lulzsec was doing illegal work for politicians or government they would be fine. For that matter if they were doing it for profit to help a company that contracted them they would probably just get a slap on the wrist since many seem to feel that activism is less ethical then profit.. or more accurately, the more money you make the more acceptable it is.
The original link to the Fox News website is a little thin on details, but there's a bit more flesh here
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/03/06/exclusive-inside-lulzsec-mastermind-turns-on-his-minions/?intcmp=related
Because Americans are both passionate (a good and bad thing) and pretty bloodthirsty when it comes to punishment. Many people get a thrill out of the idea of someone getting tortured and/or raped, but we have a nice social 'out' that if the person is a 'bad guy' then it is ethically OK and there is nothing wrong with the person salivating at the idea. The whole 'it is not evil if your victim is evil!' is very convient.
One of his last tweet before the arrest:
"They read your mails. Listen to your calls. Break into your wireless routers+sniff your traffic. GPS cars. I'm not talking about terrorists." https://twitter.com/#!/anonymouSabu/status/176683665919721472
I guess he really knew what he was talking about.
The world of crime is a lot more amiable to a meritocracy than the corporate one; They don't try to hold onto weird beliefs like thinking how a person dresses is an indicator of potential, for example
And this is why you're a girl in training and not a banker in training.
All sophisticated crimes are confidence tricks. How you dress is a significant indicator of potential.
"Meritocracy" rarely has substantive meaning: it is usually applied when someone without full understanding of a hierarchy fails to appreciate the full set of qualities required of an individual. For example, loyalty in business to an "Old Boys' Club", guaranteeing that personal friends will further each others' interests, is far more important than e.g. who got the highest grade in some stupid aptitude test or who managed to increase profitability most at their previous job.
But it's fortunate that we don't have meritocracy, because it's a euphemism for "might makes right".
This is why any kind of Hacking intent should never be combined with monetary interests.
That is true, but since the source is Fox News (Rupert Mudoch), as another poster pointed out we need to take this with a huge dose of salt.
If, however, this should turn out to be true, I find it disturbing on so many levels. Is anyone reminded of 1984 at all? The government running an underground resistence organization, to attract and arrest "revolutionaries." I'm not a fan of lulzsec at all, but this story, if at all true, is one of the more overtly Orwellian things I've seen, and living in an age of Orwellian behavior, with western democracies perched on the precipice of right-wing fascism, the middle east largely given over to their brand of sectarian fascism, and authoritarianism on the rise in Russia, China, and elsewhere, that is saying a lot.
What is even more telling, is how blase people are about the idea of a countercultural "leader" inciting criminality and then handing those he's managed to influence over to the authorities for "processing." Too many of us don't even seem to know enough to be ashamed, or appalled, by this kind of thing, so few in fact, that the GOP mouthpiece is essentially bragging about using such methods to take down a group they've found so easy to demonize. A process made easier no doubt, if the story is true, by the very behavior their mole incited and coordinated in the first place. Agent provocateur on steriods.
If this turns out to be at all true, and if we were a healthy democracy, the "leader" and his handlers would be facing serious jailtime, while those incited into this behavior would see a blackmark on their record and probation, hopefully scared straight. But those days died out sometime in the early naughties, and things have only gone downhill from there.
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Please sir, pray tell...how blatantly obvious do the powers that be have to make it to you that they are hardcore criminals before you will remove your head from the sand?
I am in no way defending LulzSec or anyone who commits crime for any reason. But if you honestly haven't learned yet that crime for corporate profit or expansion of government power is completely ignored while anyone who challenges the status quo is given life in Federal PMITA prison, you are naive and blissfully childish, and I only wish I could enjoy your blasé sense of morality.
depending on which facts you choose to follow, the GP can be very correct. I wouldnt disparage someone for believing crazy ass conspiracies when we can watch bankers and wall street knowingly manipulate a system that causes massive harm, and the firms they work for get very minor punishments, while at the same time the FBI finds it enormously important to destroy a group because they embarrassed SONY.
Fox News has it's brain washed followers.
CNN has it's brain washed followers.
Truly free and open minded people have the ability to watch both (and admit it), put the various pieces together and come up with their own opinion.
I myself like and hate both Fox and CNN. You on the other hand, if I had to guess, you're in with the CNN followers, but that's just my guess.
It should be no surprise that he who pays the piper calls the tunes.
As long as we have the best government money can buy, we have to accept that they're bought and paid for. They are not corrupt as long as they stay bought.
Don't like it? Don't vote for a politician who is bought. Or buy your own politician.
You are absolutely right. These members of this actual LulzSec conspiracy have all been spirited away from their homes just before dawn by jackbooted thugs at gunpoint and are even now being tortured prior to execution in the basement dungeons of...oh, no, wait...that's total bollocks isn't it?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I can see things like bitcoin "challenging the status quo." Could you explain how defacing websites, breaking into systems, and releasing private information challenges the status quo?
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
Seriously, I am staring to think we need to bludgeon people with a copy of 1984 every time they make a stupid statement about something normal being "Orwellian."
This right here? How they do criminal investigations for criminal organizations. They locate someone involved, catch them committing a crime, arrest them, and then try to get them to turn state's evidence. They use that person to attempt to shut down the entire organization.
This is how they run mob cases and all that kind of shit. If you aren't aware of it, your ignorance is the problem. It is not "Orwellian".
Seriously I think some people on Slashdot are anarchists, they don't think the government should be allowed to enforce ANY laws. Of course then something will come up with a company doing something and they go all communist and demand that the government not so much enforce the law and just get extremely punitive on the company. To me that speaks of a very poor understanding of the concepts of justice and fairness.
"Prison is SUPPOSED to be unpleasent. What do you want , a holiday camp like in some "liberal progressive" (read: stupidly naive) european countries like sweden?"
Why is it that when opposition to jail-rape is discussed, an immediate accusation of wanting the accused to live a 'life of luxury' is made? I think we can prevent jail-rape without giving criminals daily massages and pedicures.
Frankly when we ALREADY have a government that has...1.-admitted to taking suspects on 'rendition rides" so they can torture them, 2.-waterboards, 3.-attempted to set up a false flag to take away your second amendment rights with "Fast & Furious" which led to dozens being murdered by guns provided by the US government to terrorists. 4.- Covered up child sex trafficking by a PMC that was trading 9 year old boys as party favors to seal deals and who had done the same trick in Kosovo a decade earlier with 11 year old girls.
Frankly I wouldn't trust the fucking United Snakes government to tell me its raining outside. If their own admitted actions aren't enough for you? Then I'm sorry but you are just too ignorant. Just the things they have admitted to should have caused several officials to be shot for treason if the laws of this country actually meant a damned thing anymore.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
You do realize that those people you want to see brutalized and tortured in prison regardless of what their crime was are eventually going to get out of prison and be back on the street. With you. Are you sure you want that? Think about it for a second. I already know you have no empathy, but how's your sense of self-preservation? A society of enthusiastic torturers is a society with some seriously bad karma.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
'Lulzsec hackers' arrested in international swoop
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17270822
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The problem with your comment is that you overlook important details.
Bankers have accountants and lawyers that provide cover for them in terms of actual criminal wrongdoing. That's why the bankers aren't being prosecuted yet, because it's hard to prove criminality rather than incompetence. It's not like people haven't been trying and the AG of NYS is still trying and will probably get them *for something* the same way we got Al Capone *for something* (, in his case, income tax evasion.
LULSEC is just outright breaking the law, no chaser. That's called "mooning the giant" in the business world. The giant is going to notice you and do something about you.
Do well connected companies do blackhat things for large contractors businesses and politicians? We all have the feeling that they do, but there has to be specific allegations and specific cases, not just a general feeling of corruption.
The child sex slavery incidents are usually a reference to Dyncorp, details on Wikipedia and here:
Cari Lynn titled The Whistleblower: Sex Trafficking, Military Contractors And One Woman's Fight For Justice.
In Bosnia, they had immunity from prosecution- itself a ridiculous notion but there it was.
In Afghanistan they were investigated but you have to pin crimes on individuals doing specific acts and this is not so easy.
But to your point, the greater reality seems to be this: not many companies do why Dyncorp and Xe do. When push comes to shove, the government feels it needs these companies to do things. Thus the immunity from prosecution clauses and thus the invigorous investigation (what no hidden cameras and months of undercover work???? ).
Don't like this state of affairs? Then do what I do and stop voting Republican. It was Rumsfeld under Bush who wanted to downsize the military to save costs (and upsize private contracting by a cost equal to , oh, ten times that amount or more) .
No one is starting a competitor to Xe or Dyncorp. For this reason alone, they should not exist- monopoly power on necessary services to the government on the government dime should never be permitted to exist. Government should perform the services that fit anything like that description.
You cry about the end results, but do you vote? Do you express anything like the concerns I expressed to your congresscritter? Once the gun is loaded and trigger is pulled, the bullet IS going to fly to its target. You have to stop the action before it gets to the point of inevitability. Permitting Xe and Dyncorp to exist in the capacity they do was ABSOLUTELY going to lead to just what we see here, along with the lackluster prosecution in the name of "the greater good" .
LULZSEC on the other hand were just a bunch of lawbreaking joyriders shoving their bare asses out their car window as they drove by the chief of police's house.
Just because there's an unsolved armed robbery in a town doesn't mean vandals aren't prosecuted anymore.
Maybe not Lulzsec, but Megaupload's Kim Dotcom was arrested in the conditions you described (helicopters and all) in the first half. As for the second half, look at what happens in Gitmo and other secret CIA prisons. Unless you're one of those people who think waterboarding is not torture.
Yes, one happend in Australia and the other in the States (Cuba technically). But Megaupload was done at the behest of the U.S. government and their industry cronies. Don't think that it couldn't happen here, in the land of the free and home of the brave.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
It made people realize just how shit the security at most companies is and that perhaps they shouldn't share their private information with them. It exposes a fair bit of criminality and general corporate and political evil. It gave us an insight into the inner workings of our corrupt law enforcement agencies and an idea of their true level of incompetence.
Above all it gave us hope that individuals can still fight back against the corruption and expose it. Manning is a hero but also an opportunist, Lulzsec proved that if needs be people can take the fight to them.
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Both are atheists. "Agnostic" was a term coined by a man who admitted that the term "atheist" applied to him but didn't want to be lumped in with other people the term also applied to.
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atheist - a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
agnostic - a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
When I reached intellectual maturity and began to ask myself whether I was an atheist, a theist, or a pantheist; a materialist or an idealist; Christian or a freethinker; I found that the more I learned and reflected, the less ready was the answer; until, at last, I came to the conclusion that I had neither art nor part with any of these denominations, except the last. The one thing in which most of these good people were agreed was the one thing in which I differed from them. They were quite sure they had attained a certain "gnosis,"–had, more or less successfully, solved the problem of existence; while I was quite sure I had not, and had a pretty strong conviction that the problem was insoluble. So I took thought, and invented what I conceived to be the appropriate title of "agnostic." It came into my head as suggestively antithetic to the "gnostic" of Church history, who professed to know so much about the very things of which I was ignorant. To my great satisfaction the term took. - Huxley, Thomas. Collected Essays. pp. 237–239. ISBN 1-85506-922-9 (via Wikipedia).