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Western Digital's Hitachi Storage Takeover Approved With Restrictions

angry tapir writes "Western Digital's plan to buy Hitachi Global Storage has run into U.S. FTC resistance: The U.S. FTC will require Western Digital to sell off assets used to manufacture desktop hard drives to a competitor as a condition of its U.S.$4.5 billion acquisition of rival Hitachi Global Storage Technologies, the agency has announced." It looks like Toshiba is the competitor receiving the manufacturing assets. More from the FTC: "Under the proposed settlement order, Toshiba will receive all of the productive assets needed to replicate Hitachi Global Storage Technologies' position in the desktop hard disk drive market. In addition, the settlement order requires Western Digital to provide Toshiba with access to its employees involved in research and development and the production of desktop hard disk drives, and also requires Western Digital to license all intellectual property needed to make and supply desktop hard disk drives to Toshiba. The settlement order also requires Western Digital to be available to supply Toshiba with certain components Toshiba will need to run the desktop hard disk drive business it acquires, and to contract manufacture hard disk drives for Toshiba until Toshiba is able to manufacture them on its own. The FTC also has appointed a monitor to oversee the sale of the assets to Toshiba and to keep the Commission informed about the status of the required divestiture."

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  1. Somehow this makes the sale fair? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So Western Digital can buy Hitachi... but give everything that might possibly have been a competitive advantage away to Toshiba at a low cost?

    1. Re:Somehow this makes the sale fair? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes. And, if it had been Hitachi buying Western Digital there would have been no strings attached, because the U.S. likes to shoot itself in it's own foot but will gladly help outsource whatever is left and destroy our economy at home. Sad tragedy...

    2. Re:Somehow this makes the sale fair? by masternerdguy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Its called globalization. Its the future.

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    3. Re:Somehow this makes the sale fair? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 3, Informative

      Its called globalization. Its the future.

      Judging by previous futures, it's overrated...
      I was going to say the future is overrated based on past results,
      but that keeps getting flagged as a parser error in module neocortex.

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    4. Re:Somehow this makes the sale fair? by AshtangiMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As long as you're willing to say the right prayer and wear the right clothes.

    5. Re:Somehow this makes the sale fair? by noc007 · · Score: 2

      This. Every WD HDD I've owned has died within the warranty period. I've had about an 80% failure rate within the warranty period at work. I use to be a Seagate fanboy and even risked buying three of the 1.5TB that had firmware problems (installed the patched firmware when I bought them and they're still running almost 5 years later). However, Seagate has definitely shown they've lost their way these past few years and I'm hesitant to risk buying from them again.

      I was planning on buying some 4TB Hitachis to replace my aging Seagates when the prices came down to pre-flood pricing, but now I'm reconsidering. If this goes through, there won't be anyone left to trust. I guess I'm just going to have to go from a single parity raid to triple parity; I know it would be just my luck that two drives failed at the same time.

    6. Re:Somehow this makes the sale fair? by Trahloc · · Score: 2

      At my work we buy them in the 100's but never in quantities smaller than 20 at a time for testing. They're awesome drives. Don't blame the drive manufacturer because ups/newegg/mwave/frys plays football with your drive before you get it. Buy them in 20 quantities and you'll see they rarely fail. In truth, I have yet to run across a drive manufacturer with a failure rate significant enough for that to be the reason we changed drives. Although there have been a model here or there that were just .... wrong. Hitachi 1TB drives were as horrible as they come. On the other hand their 2TB five platter drives are my absolute favorite.

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  2. Hitachi (IBM) Deathstars by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Worst drives I've ever owned.

    1. Re:Hitachi (IBM) Deathstars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude that was literally a decade ago. Get over it.

    2. Re:Hitachi (IBM) Deathstars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude get over the ST-225s that were dead out of the box

    3. Re:Hitachi (IBM) Deathstars by _merlin · · Score: 2

      Funny thing is I managed to run one of those DeskStars for a decade - it was running until about April last year - with no problems. Only spun down when moving house, in power failures, and when I needed to replace a power supply fan in the machine. I replaced it with a WD Blue last year.

    4. Re:Hitachi (IBM) Deathstars by blackicye · · Score: 2

      Worst drives I've ever owned.

      WD 1TB Caviar Black AAKS drives were the worst I've owned in recent years.

      I experienced a 50% failure rate within 24 months for 8 units I was running personally. One of my clients who does server virtualization experienced approximately 30% failure rates with his 40 drives.

    5. Re:Hitachi (IBM) Deathstars by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Next you'll tell me to get over the ST-225s that were dead out of the box. Those were the worst drives I've ever owned.

      DOA drives? If they're going to fail, that's the best time. The worst drives are those that last just long enough for you to fill them up with data, and then you think you can do without a backup copy while you repartition/reformat the drives you just emptied. Noooooooooooo I'm not bitter. (Yes, yes, I know I should have had a proper offline backup too.)

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    6. Re:Hitachi (IBM) Deathstars by LazLong · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't it interesting how stuff like this sticks in people's minds and they seem incapable of evaluating new data and reevaluating their stance? The longevity of opinions like this seems to increase when there is some cute catch phrase involved, such as "Deathstar" in this instance.

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    7. Re:Hitachi (IBM) Deathstars by lightknight · · Score: 3, Informative

      My personal favorite is when you're trying to RMA the hard drive, and the person on the other end has you run a bunch of diagnostics that say the drive is fine.

      It's like, come on guys, I am a tech, my case has its side off more often than on, I've spent a fair amount of my life tending to the needs and wants to a number of machines that have found their way to me...I know what the usual sounds those hard drives are supposed to make, having been running them for over a year, and one of them has suddenly started making scratching noises. Your diagnostics will be giving me a green light right while the drive drops / corrupts data and disappears randomly from the OS's view, right up until the day it's suddenly no longer detected. Even Windows will think something is wrong with the drive before your diagnostic program will.

      I had to run the m*therf*cking acoustic test on one of Seagate's (or was it Maxtor's) drive before it would give me a code to send the thing in. Show of hands from the people who know how long it takes to run that test, with the machine unusable while you're running it.

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    8. Re:Hitachi (IBM) Deathstars by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's why a copy of spinrite is your friend, set that sucker on level 3, refresh the surfaces, and if the drive is dying that'll kill the bitch dead QUICK. Just let it run overnight, the drive will be so foobarred by morning they can have you run whatever, it won't matter. Wish I could find a tool that would kill drives as well as spinrite as there are a few of the newer drives it don't like but so far nothing kills a dying drive like spinrite can.

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  3. FTC? by yakatz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How exactly is it supposed to get better for consumers if the government forces companies to give everything they have to a competitor in order to get permission to buy another company?
    Companies will stop spending on R&D because they will need to give all their research away for free if they want to buy another company.

    1. Re:FTC? by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because it isn't a single company controlling all the channels.

      And they aren't giving it away fro free. They are selling it for 4.5 billion.
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    2. Re:FTC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I know the summary is confusing (as usual), but read it slowly before complaining:

      WD wants to buy Hitachi Global Storage.

      Hitachi Global Storage manufactures desktop drives that compete with WD.

      The FTC requires WD to sell off the parts of *Hitachi* that make desktop drives to a competitor (Toshiba) before completing the acquisition of Hitachi.

      WD does not have to do anything with their existing disk manufacturing business / R&D / whatever.

  4. Re:No good hard drives left by RogueLeaderX · · Score: 5, Informative

    WD has to sell Toshiba Hitachi's desktop HD assets, not their own. So you can continue to buy your raptors.

  5. WD is SHIT! by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hitachi (formerly IBM) branded drives were the most reliable out of them all. And unlike Hitachi, Western Digital crippled their SATA drives with TLER settings to prevent proper RAID operation. The drives would drop out after 30 days of continuous use in some instances. So, they forced users to use either the Enterprise or RAID edition drives. It pisses me off that it's not Hitachi buying out WD.

    And yes, WD MyBook drives are absolute shit too. Don't use them for backups. They last about year or so and that's it.

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    1. Re:WD is SHIT! by rsborg · · Score: 2

      And yes, WD MyBook drives are absolute shit too. Don't use them for backups. They last about year or so and that's it.

      I'll see your anecdote and call: I have a 500GB WD MyBook from 2006-ish working perfectly as a Dish extended storage drive for the past 2 years, and a Time Machine target before that... it's a bit louder and noisier than I'd have liked (and I'm now using a 2.5" Firewire drive as my backup target), but it's ticking along fine.

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    2. Re:WD is SHIT! by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

      I have 400 WD5002ABYS in racks out in our computational farm, and we lose one every year or so. 0.25%/year failure rate is pretty good in MyBook..

    3. Re:WD is SHIT! by davros74 · · Score: 2

      Not quite the full story.

      Most, if not all, cheap to moderately expensive SOHO NASes use software raid. And since SOHO customers typically care more about data loss than performance, Bad Sector recovery is preferable to TLER (it's "safer" as far as your bits are concerned). NAS mfrs know this, and software raid is pretty flexible, and as such have fairly long timeouts. With long timeouts (several minutes or more), it's rare for a SOHO NAS to kick a non-TLER drive out of the array, and even if it did, the drive is going to keep trying for forever to recover that bad sector. For a home user, you're rather get the pictures of Johnny back than have the drive marked "dead" in 7 seconds, and hope you know how to rebuild an array before the next drive fails in 7 seconds.

      TLER/Enterprise drives are designed for HARDWARE RAID, where performance is more important. When a drive starts acting funny, the RAID controller says, to heck with you! and kicks the drive out. Put in a replacement, off you go. In Enterprise environment, you don't want to sit there watching a drive work forever to fix a bad sector when the whole point of the RAID array is to go get the bad sector from a different disk. So from a performance/Enterprise perspective of RAID, the WD drives that support TLER are rather expensive (as are any enterprise class drives, look at a Seagate Constellation vs a Barracuda). Most Enterprise environments will be using the RAID for performance and uptime, but if the array has a massive problem (multiple failures, etc), they are backed up further by tape or disk-disk replication. A typical SOHO NAS has no backup - maybe some DVD-R burns put in a drawer if you're lucky.

      For the SOHO market using cheap software-based RAID arrays, the non-TLER drives work just fine in RAID configurations.
      Well, except for Caviar Greens. Avoid those like the plague in ANY kind of RAID array.

  6. Oh no! by rykin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this mean no more amusing flash videos to announce new technological breakthroughs?! Okay, so it didn't happen all that often, but I still can't forget Hitachi's "Get Perpendicular" video from 2005 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb_PyKuI7II. Like others, I'm surprised they aren't the ones consuming WD.

    1. Re:Oh no! by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 2

      This is the one you really want to watch: Mr. T puts the T in IT

  7. What goes around, comes around! by FurryOne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is really too funny from a historical standpoint. At one time, WD bought drives from IBM and put their label on them until they could manufacture the equivalent type drives (IBM was cutting edge at the time) for themselves. Then IBM hit the problem with sticking heads on their Deskstar series, their reputation went down the tube, and they sold their drive business to Hitachi. Now WD is buying part of Hitachi's drive business, and will put their label on them. Of course, it's not quite as funny as the MiniScribe debacle.

  8. re: RMA by King_TJ · · Score: 2

    Yep!! I've always hate doing hard drive RMAs. Honestly, it's to the point where the manufacturers should just accept them with a "no questions asked" policy for exchange during the length of their warranty period. Most of the people who lack the knowledge to adequately determine if a given drive is bad aren't capable of physically removing it from a computer and doing the RMA on it anyway.

    I don't know about some of them, but my recent experiences with Seagate RMAs tells me it's pretty much a "one shot" exchange policy anyway. EG. If your drive has a "5 year warranty" and it goes bad in 6 months? As soon as you do the RMA, your replacement is specially branded as a replacement product and only carries something like a 90 day warranty. The warranty length only tells you how long you get to do ONE replacement for free.