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Prof. J. Alex Halderman Tells Us Why Internet-Based Voting Is a Bad Idea (Video)

On March 2, 2012, Timothy wrote about University of Michigan Professor J. Alex Halderman and his contention that there is no way to have secure voting over the Internet using current technology. In this video, Alex explains what he meant and tells us about an experiment (that some might call a prank) he and his students did back in 2010, when they (legally) hacked a Washington D.C. online voting pilot project. This is, of course, a "professional driver on closed course; do not attempt" kind of thing. If you mess with voting software without permission, you might suddenly find the FBI coming through your door at 4 a.m., so please don't do it.

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  1. Not a "bad idea" by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it's a good idea with bad implementations, and little chance of those implementations improving. Using it for an actual election of consequence at this point would be bad. Let's not assume that everything that doesn't work in the foreseeable future is inherently bad, okay?

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    1. Re:Not a "bad idea" by lfourrier · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a BAD IDEA!

      Every vote that doesn't occur in a supervised place can be sold, extorted, etc... That include correspondance voting, of course, but usually for small numbers unlikely to change the result.
      The fact that the transmission is not reliable is nothing compared to the whole mess of distance voting.

    2. Re:Not a "bad idea" by errandum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The big problem, unlike the story suggests, it's not security. It is the fact that you cannot guarantee that the vote is coming from whoever is registered. Anyone with a login and password can usurp your vote, so you'll never have a doubt free election ever again.

      On the other hand, I do believe that you can design a secure system for voting, as long as you can guarantee that the machines were not tampered with.

  2. Another bad solution to an imaginary problem... by Theophany · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is Internet-based voting required anyway? Surely this is a great idea to get those basement dwellers out of the house at least once every four years. There are already systems in place to allow those confined to their homes due to medical circumstances to participate in their democracy. Whether it's done tomorrow or in 30 years time, people will still find ways to break the system. Net result? A colossal waste of money over something that is already in place and works as well as can be expected.

  3. Yes, a bad idea by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd argue that it's a fundamentally bad idea, for reasons which have absolutely nothing to do with technology.

    It's very simple: If you go to a polling place, you are in a situation where you can be observed by poll workers, who will notice things like somebody standing over your shoulder with either a gun or $10 to get you to vote the way that somebody wants you to. Whereas if you can vote anywhere, it's quite possible for an organization to do those sorts of things.

    The same arguments also apply to voting by mail, or over the phone, or absentee ballots. For instance, it was not uncommon for political parties to stop by my grandmother's nursing home to help the residents vote, helpfully filling it out for the voter (including checking the boxes for their preferred candidates).

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    1. Re:Yes, a bad idea by AdrianKemp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was going to suggest the less sinister issue with it, although along the same vein.

      If all you have to do is log in and vote from your computer, a small "incentive" could seriously increase the voter turn out. Of course I'm referring to the incentive being provided by a company/party.

      Right now, laziness is keeping the vast majority of uninformed dolts away from the ballot boxes. Utter hatred is keeping some informed ones home too but that's a different issue.

    2. Re:Yes, a bad idea by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That already applies to postal voting, and so as a replacement for postal voting isn't an issue.

  4. Two words: PAPER BALLOTS by ArcSecond · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I like them. I trust them. They are their own record. And, if you like, you can spoil them.

    In Canada, we have our ballots counted within hours of the polls closing. And you can go back and re-count them if necessary.

    Keep it simple!

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  5. Paper voting is not safe by Sqreater · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The assumption is always that paper ballot voting is secure. Electronic fraud is somehow more important than paper ballot fraud. President Kennedy wasn't even a legitimate President according to some due to paper ballot fraud and they have a good case. See the "Controversies" section of the Wikipedia article on the 1960 election: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1960. No, the whole controversy over the safety of voting is just a reason not to do what is required by a belief in Democracy and what is absolutely necessary in a period of time which illustrates the obsolescence of the old system. The Macroparasites have taken control of our system of government and true electronic democracy is the only way we will get power back into our hands. As for the safety of electronic voting, let me say this: It is safe to do internet banking; it is safe to transfer trillions of dollars of assets around the world daily; but it is somehow not safe to cast a single vote electronically . I don't believe that is the truth. And those who argue against electronic Democracy are merely the familiars of the Macroparasites.

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