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Sony's Plan To Tighten Security and Fight Hacktivism

mask.of.sanity writes "Sony Entertainment Network is rebuilding its information security posture to defend against hacktivism. It includes a security operations center that serves as a nerve center collating information on everything from staff phone calls, to CCTV, to PlayStation gamers. If it is successful, the counter intelligence-based system will be deployed across the entire company. 'At Sony, we are modifying our programs to deal less with state-sponsored [attacks] and more with socially-motivated hackers. It will be different,' said Chief Security Officer Brett Wahlin."

247 comments

  1. *clap* *clap* by FrozenFood · · Score: 5, Interesting

    good for them

    pity I wont buy another sony product ever again.

    1. Re:*clap* *clap* by Aerorae · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Just because of how Sony handled this? Please, after this fiasco they'll be the safest company to trust your info to. Sony didn't handle the breach well, nor did it inform customers as it should have, but guess what? NO OTHER COMPANY would have done ANYTHING different. I'll bet there are many that would've tried to deny the whole thing.

    2. Re:*clap* *clap* by Ihmhi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have to read between the lines here man.

      They're not saying "We were attacked for being a socially irresponsible company, so we're going to do less evil shit." They're saying "We were attacked for doing evil shit, so we're going to keep doing evil shit and make it harder to successfully attack us."

    3. Re:*clap* *clap* by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know about him but I personally don't buy Sony because they have a serious "Hey, how can we REALLY buttfuck our customers HARD?" attitude. See ATRAC, Minidisc, memory stick, UMD, if given a chance they will completely ignore formats every else uses and is cheap for some proprietary throwback that is worse in every way for the consumer, no thanks.

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      ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
    4. Re:*clap* *clap* by Nursie · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can't even fully use the products I already have.

      The new SEN, replacement for the PSN, has in its user agreementy a clause that says they can and will do anything they like with your user data, including giving it to any third party they feel like. If you have a problem with this you can't use the service.

      That's me locked out of network features on the ps3 then.

    5. Re:*clap* *clap* by petsounds · · Score: 1

      What personal data did you actually share with them, other than perhaps credit card information (which for many reasons, they wouldn't be sharing)? I'm not defending Sony, I'm just curious. If they want to share with 3rd parties that it took me about three years to finish Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne, fine. If I was giving them a rich user profile, it'd be a different story.

    6. Re:*clap* *clap* by Nursie · · Score: 5, Informative

      Name, address, gaming habits (every game you play, the times you play, how long for), any movies you may have downloaded from them, integrated tv services you've used...

      These are just the things I know the box was sending to Sony from my protocol snooping a year or so back.

      I'm not sure if the machine sends web history to Sony, or what you've been watching/listening to on the ps3 via UPnP/DLNA, but it wouldn't be beyond their capabilities.

    7. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They also say, that they will share their data with state sponsored hackers :)

    8. Re:*clap* *clap* by peppepz · · Score: 0

      They've stopped doing that years ago. The PS3 uses blu-ray, usb, bluetooth, has a plain user-removable sata hard drive, reads and writes data from whatever kind of media you can plug into it, will work with off-the-shelf usb and bluetooth controllers, keyboards, mice and webcams. Compare to Microsoft (hyper-expensive proprietary drives, proprietary controllers, limited media playback) or Apple (proprietary connectors, proprietary software required to sync).

    9. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just because of how Sony handled this? Please, after this fiasco they'll be the safest company to trust your info to. Sony didn't handle the breach well, nor did it inform customers as it should have, but guess what? NO OTHER COMPANY would have done ANYTHING different. I'll bet there are many that would've tried to deny the whole thing.

      I'm socially motivated to never buy anything from Sony again as well, but it has nothing to do with whatever their latest stupid shananigans are. Sony earned a permaban with their rootkit. Remember that?

    10. Re:*clap* *clap* by Nursie · · Score: 5, Informative

      And the Vita uses?

      Oh that's right, proprietary "vita cards" for games, proprietary "vita memory cards" for storage, and even a non-standard data cable.

      Good work!

    11. Re:*clap* *clap* by Sneeka2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And guess who designed Blu-ray and shoveled tons of money into the project to push it into the market to destroy to rival HD DVD format: Sony. Learn your history.

      Also, comparing two very specific systems which are by definition very closed (gaming consoles) and a music player (which I guess you're going for with that Apple jibe) is hardly an objective comparison in the big picture. If that's all you know about these respective companies, fine, but please stay in your mom's basement.

      --
      Bitten Apples are still better than dirty Windows...
    12. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of all technologies, you choose to use DRM infested blu-ray as an example of user-friendly products?

      Where to all these sock-puppets come from? Can we block them at the door? I guess some simple questions around OS and consumer gadgets should be enough to deter the worst.

    13. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I remember. I've not bought a Sony product since and never will.

    14. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would use the term "corporate entitlement" for it. They think the world owes them money because they produce luxury products. Bioware are doing exactly the same thing when their latest title has a bunch of shortcuts and removed (unless you pay extra) content. But in their head space they are entitled to do whatever they want and you are just a source of income who is allowed no opinion or input.

      Corporations have figured out the public doesn't listen to the news any more. Their own greed is too high and self control too low, so Sony can pretty much piss in your face and demand you pay for it and the public will only see a shower and pay the price.

    15. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      And today on our fun game show My Favorite Random Multi-National Conglomerate Sucks Less Than Your Random Multi-National Conglomerate, we introduce our first contestant: peppepz!

    16. Re:*clap* *clap* by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Corporations have figured out the public doesn't listen to the news any more. Their own greed is too high and self control too low, so Sony can pretty much piss in your face and demand you pay for it and the public will only see a shower and pay the price.

      Sure, gold prices are sky hight currently, so what did you expect?

    17. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      NO OTHER COMPANY would have done ANYTHING different.

      Other companies don't try to fuck over their own customers at every opportunity. Nobody cares about the occasional security breach.

      If Sony had any self-awareness, they might ask why they're the victim of so many "socially motivated hackers."

    18. Re:*clap* *clap* by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Damn, wish I had some mod points right now. :D

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    19. Re:*clap* *clap* by Aerorae · · Score: 1

      ah i had forgotten but yes I do. I can completely understand if that is your reasoning

    20. Re:*clap* *clap* by Aerorae · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Isn't that kinda how these big businesses work in general these days? Microsoft, Apple, Sony, Samsung, Motorola, Oracle, Intel, Dell, etc? I guess I'm just saying if someone has an issue with Sony they probably have an issue with the whole industry & it's practices, not /just/ Sony...

    21. Re:*clap* *clap* by Ihmhi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think once a business reaches a certain critical mass, evil is inevitable.

      Are there any companies in the Fortune 500 (or even Fortune 1000) that aren't complete monsters?

    22. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony didn't handle the breach well, nor did it inform customers as it should have, but guess what? NO OTHER COMPANY would have done ANYTHING different. I'll bet there are many that would've tried to deny the whole thing.

      A common sense approach would be to assume that being repeatedly hacked would compel a company to take a more serious stance on security, but who's to say that this will lead to Sony being the safest company? Isn't it possible that other companies were already safer, and that Sony's example of incompetence will encourage others to improve security to avoid becoming the next cautionary tale? Random Internet Guy may be right, and may be wrong.

      Random Internet guy reaches in to his ass to retrieve the claim, his use of capitals suggesting a high degree of confidence in his poop shoot platitudes. There is absolutely no sound reason to believe that "NO OTHER COMPANY would have done "ANYTHING" different [sic]". That is a bold assertion with no substance.

      It's sad that so many in history saw their valuable insights suppressed, and in some cases, lost to future generations. Your droppings will remain, probably archived along with useful information such as Bieber's ruminations on agriculture. Future generations, if they trawl through this shit, will look at your posts with the same kind of bafflement that we'd show on reading about innocent women being burnt at the stake as witches, or some "modern" Jews thinking that it's perfectly normal to throw feces at skirt wearing school children.

      I've run out of time for pointing out how absolutely dumb and ignorant you are. I'll see if I find some time later today to elaborate, as describing your idiocy could easily become a lifetime's work.

    23. Re:*clap* *clap* by stms · · Score: 1

      The first example you gave countered your own point. Blu-ray is a very proprietary Sony format (that wasn't standard when the PS3 was released). HD-DVD was inferior from a technical point of view but from a licensing standpoint HD-DVD was far far superior to blu-ray.

    24. Re:*clap* *clap* by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      I think the only music players that are currently closed are those made by Apple ... the rest are pretty open, or at least use standard connectors and software.

    25. Re:*clap* *clap* by peppepz · · Score: 1

      And guess who designed Blu-ray [wikipedia.org] and shoveled tons of money into the project to push it into the market [wikipedia.org] to destroy to rival HD DVD format [wikipedia.org]: Sony. Learn your history.

      I don't understand what I have to learn. Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray were proprietary, patent- and DRM-laden standards. The proposers of both standards (including the ultimately evil Microsoft) threw tons on money on the respective standards. For once, the technically best format (Blu-Ray) won. What's wrong with that exactly?

      Also, comparing two very specific systems which are by definition very closed (gaming consoles)

      I don't undertand this either. I'm comparing the two currently available game consoles (PS3 and XBox 360). Both are very closed, but one is a lot more open than the other (the PS3), in particular, in the fact that it uses standard formats and connection methods, whereas the post I was responding to was claiming that Sony uses proprietary formats.

      and a music player (which I guess you're going for with that Apple jibe)

      Did you read the comment I was responding to, that talked about ATRAC and minidisc, and therefore Sony's music players? No you didn't.

      please stay in your mom's basement.

      And here comes the ad-hominem insult. This actually proves my point about anti-Sony hate, thank you.

    26. Re:*clap* *clap* by peppepz · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the ad-hominem hate attack. How about responding about the facts I mentioned in my post instead? By the way, if you look at my comment history, you'll find plenty of posts attacking most Multi-National Congolomerate, including Sony. You'll also see different moderation outcome depending on which particular Multi-National Conglomerate I was attacking at the time, but that's another story.

    27. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "NO OTHER COMPANY?" you say?

      I remember seeing Dreamhost on here a couple months back after they noticed the potential existed that their systems were compromised. They immediately alerted their customers and reset passwords just to be safe. Because in the long run that was the best course of action.

    28. Re:*clap* *clap* by peppepz · · Score: 2

      Who decides what standards are "proprietary" and what standards aren't? Can I implement HD-DVD without paying royalties to Toshiba? How come Blu-Ray "became a standard" after the PS3 was released?

    29. Re:*clap* *clap* by peppepz · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Even without mod points, you might try to actually respond to the facts that I put in my comment, instead of inciting the angry mobs against my person.

    30. Re:*clap* *clap* by peppepz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That sucks. I'll only buy game consoles that distribute games on non-proprietary storage. Which one can I buy?

    31. Re:*clap* *clap* by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you have it backwards: If the company management isn't willing to do evil, the company will never reach that mass. Sooner or later the time will come when the management must choose between their principles and their duty to maximise profits - they can't have both.

    32. Re:*clap* *clap* by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 2

      God, you really have to wonder what's going on in the brains of Sony managers. If they had embraced the hacking/modding community like e.g. Lego did or at least tolerated it silently, they'd have obtained tons of free content, fan pages, free customer service, new customers and new uses for their hardware. Instead, they are constantly yelling "fuck you" at their regular customers and, quite frankly, I doubt that there are any "power" users left who would buy a Sony product.

    33. Re:*clap* *clap* by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 1

      And guess who designed Blu-ray

      And guess who made this technology even possible. NOT Sony. Learn your history.

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      Upward mobility is a slippery slope - the higher you climb the more you show your ass.
    34. Re:*clap* *clap* by peppepz · · Score: 2

      Where to all these sock-puppets come from? Can we block them at the door?

      Dear Sony, after all the service I've done for you here on Slashdot, if when I get home I find a gift box full of PS vitas or tablets or cell phones or whatever you might consider appropriate to thank me, I wouldn't get offended.

    35. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, it seems you forgot who and why DVD came around, and all the people who pushed it, and for what reasons.

      That is pretty hilarious. Especially when you look back at one in particular to their reactions to both Blu-ray and their eventual defeat, then the huge pissy fit they threw in front of the entire world as it sat back and watched.
      I've never bought another Toshiba product since.
      That was an embarrassing, worse than no-security Sony, in fact. At least they never threw a fit on levels 10 year olds would be jealous of.
      In fact, Sony tend to actually reverse their "stance" on all those "evils" they have done... when they get caught at least.

      Of course they are going to create a whole new card for PS Vita after the terrible piracy that happened on PSP.
      It will likely not work in the slightest since it seems they took nothing from what they learned on Cell (apart from perhaps not leaving important keys out in the open...)
      Cell SPE security was actually really solid until that key was read. If that mistake wasn't made, it'd have likely been even more secure.
      Then they went and put a PSP emulator on it...
      They sorely need to step up their security game or they are going to continue to get hacked.

      Oh, wait, that's right, videogamers would rather see another videogame crash, not seeing that it was the worst thing to happen to gaming back then, and would be considerably worse now if it were to happen.
      You don't want people like EA to take over, do you? Because it would be the likely case.

    36. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They don't want power users. They are a small, thrifty, hard to please minority. It's not worth the money to try and cater for them.

    37. Re:*clap* *clap* by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 2

      But with every power user they also lose 5-10 ordinary customers. Or do you think my girlfriend or any of my friends will buy a Sony product after having asked me for advice?

    38. Re:*clap* *clap* by Sneeka2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray were proprietary, patent- and DRM-laden standards. ... For once, the technically best format (Blu-Ray) won.

      I'll just let these two sentences stand next to each other. They're too good. :)

      It's not that Sony beat HD DVD which undermines your argument, it's that Blu-ray is a horrible technology, mostly exactly because it's DRM-laden. The blue laser is nice, the DRM and all the crap that goes onto a typical Blu-ray disc is not. What won is simply one of the two evils. Therefore, choosing Blu-ray as an "open" technology to show how good Sony is in using open technologies is just... let's call it a bad example.

      Both are very closed, but one is a lot more open than the other (the PS3)

      So one sucks less than the other, that doesn't make it a great example for "open".

      whereas the post I was responding to was claiming that Sony uses proprietary formats.

      Because the PS3 is the only device Sony is selling?

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      Bitten Apples are still better than dirty Windows...
    39. Re:*clap* *clap* by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

      "I can't even fully use the products I already have." I have a solution for that problem: just don't buy Sony stuff. I used to like Sony. Their stuff was a bit more expensive, but it was high quality. Then I bought a Trinitron TV. Within a few months (just after the 90 day warranty expored, as a matter of fact), the power switch stopped functioning. The repair bill was over $300. Now, Sony *could* have done the right thing and said "it's just out of warranty, no problem, we'll cover it". Nope. They had to be d*cks about it. After bitching to them, I got a 50% reduction in the repair bill. And decided that the extra cost of Sony stuff was no longer worth it. So I don't buy Sony any more. Plenty of other good brands out there.

      The TV still works great...aside from that power switch, it was a good buy!

    40. Re:*clap* *clap* by gmack · · Score: 1

      More like "we were attacked so now we will add another layer of bureaucracy in the hopes of making us more secure."

      An ops center is worthless if the individual departments aren't installing security updates.

    41. Re:*clap* *clap* by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      You have to remember that ATRAC was the first consumer lossy compression format, way before this newfangled MP3 thing was available.

    42. Re:*clap* *clap* by peppepz · · Score: 1

      Therefore, choosing Blu-ray as an "open" technology to show how good Sony is in using open technologies is just... let's call it a bad example

      Let's put it this way. If you put your own stuff in a drm-free format inside a blu-ray disc authored by yourself, the PS3 will play it. There goes the openness. (At least I think so, because I don't own a blu-ray writer, and blu-ray discs are quite expensive, and much less comfortable to use than usb sticks.)

      Because the PS3 is the only device Sony is selling?

      Because the PS3 is the only Sony device I own and therefore I can speak of. Now that I think, I also have a Sony ebook reader, the PRS-350; if you're interested, it can read plain DRM-free PDFs, that you can load onto it by using a standard micro-USB cable, through the standard USB MSD protocol.

    43. Re:*clap* *clap* by flyneye · · Score: 2

      Dunno about "safest".
      When you make enemies as fast an furiously as Sony, I don't think you can buy enough monkeys to guard the bananas. I picture their security as being based on Wile. E. Coyotes Acme boulder diverting , little pink umbrella working in conjunction with a small sign that says " Oh, No!". If history and weather reporting are any indicator then Sony servers stand about the same chance as whoever hosts RIAA websites.

                  It sounds like Anonymous isn't the only enemy they have in town either.There's any number of people pissed off at their playstation services, competitors, the curious, the furious, the politically misaligned and even a coupla governments having a keg party outside their firewall stickin their peckers into one port after another.

                I suppose Pink Floyd could illustrate my point;

      If you should go skating on the thin ice of modern life,
      Dragging behind you the silent reproach of a million tear stained eyes,
      Don't be surprised, when a crack in the ice, appears uner your feet,
      You slip out of your depth and out of your mind,
      with your fear flowing out behind you,
      As you claw,
      the thin ice...

      I predict Sony will be a manufacturer of electronic components in the future, nothing else.
      Investors start getting disturbed when you beat the dead horse to pink mush.

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      *Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
    44. Re:*clap* *clap* by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      I avoid Sony like the plague, due mainly to the root kit shenanigans and how I feel they as a company are contemptuous of their customers. However, what I've read of your posts is in fact fair. There's plenty of psychologically damaged people here acting blindly as cheerleaders and apologists for brands, spewing vitriol against their "enemy" brands, but your comments do not belong to the detritus spewed by this pack of psychologically damaged people.

      Sony consoles and kit are generally as open/closed as anything comparable on the market.

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      -- Using the preview button since 2005
    45. Re:*clap* *clap* by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      What they're saying is that their enemy is actually their customers. Well, in Sony's mind that would be consumers, not customers.

    46. Re:*clap* *clap* by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      While they might not want power users.....

      The PS3 remained unhacked for quite a long time compared to all other consoles.
      Then they removed the "Other OS" option and they had an influx of people who wanted to do the classic "run linux on it" routine.

      Booooooom, their security is broken.

      While they might not want to cater for them for direct profit, they DO want to keep them happy in their modding bubble so that they dont spend their considerable skill-set to breaking every security feature of the box. THAT is worth the money.

    47. Re:*clap* *clap* by macs4all · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't that kinda how these big businesses work in general these days? Microsoft, Apple, Sony, Samsung, Motorola, Oracle, Intel, Dell, etc? I guess I'm just saying if someone has an issue with Sony they probably have an issue with the whole industry & it's practices, not /just/ Sony...

      Apple removed DRM from iTunes music. Sony installed Rootkits.

      Apple has no DRM on its OS. Sony has aggressively fought against Playstation hacking.

      Apple has a Cloud service which mirrors your music to all your devices, regardless of where it came from. Sony?

      Apple had a marketing slogan "Rip. Mix. Burn.". Sony created Blu-Ray as an unsuccessful defense against DeCSS.

      Apple builds AirPlay into OS X and iOS. Sony creates SACD's DSD format as an (unsuccessful) attempt to stop CD copying (betcha didn't know that one!).

      Apple actively and significantly contributes to the F/OSS Community. Sony, OTOH has been caught USING F/OSS code without attribution and in violation of those project's licensing (libarc) in its game, ICO, and parts of LAME (id3lib and more) in an OCX control.

      Yep. no way whatsoever to tell those two companies apart by their respective actions.

    48. Re:*clap* *clap* by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1
      1. Funny how Google is not on your list (they seem to epitomize the "we will do evil things and pretend to not be evil" idea)...
      2. In kindergarden we learned that other people doing something naughty is not an excuse for our own naughty behavior.
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    49. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Other companies don't get caught trying to fuck over their own customers at every opportunity.

      FTFY

    50. Re:*clap* *clap* by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Actually Sony has decades of ill will built up going all the way back to betamax. They have such cool and brilliant engineering counterbalanced by a marketing department that abuses it's customers. Truly I think they hate their customers and wish their was some way to get their money without having to deal with them. The only other corporation that gives me this feeling is AT&T who's motto is "IF you grovel and kiss our feet we might, just might, let you spend your money here."

    51. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saved us $1mil by paying for cheap programmers who had SQL injection attacks everywhere, which costed us over $10mil. Still, instead of paying for proper programmers, I'm having a security team put together that will do absolutely nothing to stop SQL injections. This will again cost the company millions more, but at least I'm saving the company $1mil by hiring horrible programmers.

      I gave myself a bonus because I saved the company money by hiring cheap programmers.

    52. Re:*clap* *clap* by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apple has no DRM on its OS

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS#Digital_rights_management

      Otherwise I agree, Apple is less evil than Sony. Not that that is saying much.

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      Palm trees and 8
    53. Re:*clap* *clap* by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I think you have it backwards: If the company management isn't willing to do evil, the company will never reach that mass. Sooner or later the time will come when the management must choose between their principles and their duty to maximise profits - they can't have both.

      Exactly.

    54. Re:*clap* *clap* by macs4all · · Score: 1

      They've stopped doing that years ago. The PS3 uses blu-ray, usb, bluetooth, has a plain user-removable sata hard drive, reads and writes data from whatever kind of media you can plug into it, will work with off-the-shelf usb and bluetooth controllers, keyboards, mice and webcams. Compare to Microsoft (hyper-expensive proprietary drives, proprietary controllers, limited media playback) or Apple (proprietary connectors, proprietary software required to sync).

      Show me one proprietary connector on a modern Apple product (patented MagSafe power conn. excluded). And if you Google for five seconds, you will several third-party apps that can be used to "sync" to Apple's mobile devices.

    55. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > just after the 90 day warranty expired.

      90 days ? Are you living in the middle ages ? In Europe you can ask for your money back up to two years after the date of purchase if you get sold a lemon.

      The more I get to know of it the more I can safely say that the USA truly, truly sucks.

    56. Re:*clap* *clap* by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      Funny how these guys keep growing without being evil:

      http://www.redhat.com/

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      Palm trees and 8
    57. Re:*clap* *clap* by homsar · · Score: 2

      Let's put it this way. If you put your own stuff in a drm-free format inside a blu-ray disc authored by yourself, the PS3 will play it. There goes the openness.

      But to distribute content (movies, TV, videos, etc.) on Blu-Ray you HAVE to copy-protect it. As in, you have to pay to license the Blu-Ray format, and then the terms and conditions state that you have to separately pay for the license to AACS, and use it to copy-protect the disc. Thus releasing open content on Blu-Ray is pretty impossible.

    58. Re:*clap* *clap* by macs4all · · Score: 2

      I think the only music players that are currently closed are those made by Apple ... the rest are pretty open, or at least use standard connectors and software.

      Just because Apple has a multifunction connector on the iPod and iPad (which is absolutely a necessity, considering the number of signals it carries), and just because they make it easy to use iTunes to sync those devices, doesn't mean there aren't alternatives. There are several third-party iPod syncing apps, and countless cables and devices that mate with Apple's "dock" connector. So many, that the dock connector is effectively a "standard" connector itself.

    59. Re:*clap* *clap* by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Both are very closed, but one is a lot more open than the other (the PS3),

      Except for the whole, "Sony can and will remotely disable features you paid for" feature.

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      Palm trees and 8
    60. Re:*clap* *clap* by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      If you put your own stuff in a drm-free format inside a blu-ray disc authored by yourself, the PS3 will play it

      ...unless it is a video game...

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      Palm trees and 8
    61. Re:*clap* *clap* by Ihmhi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Funny how these guys keep growing without being evil:

      http://www.redhat.com/

      But what they don't tell you is the hat is red because... it's dipped in the blood of emacs users! BOOOOOoooooOOOooOoOOOO!

    62. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think once a business reaches a certain critical mass, evil is inevitable.

      Are there any companies in the Fortune 500 (or even Fortune 1000) that aren't complete monsters?

      Actually, it's more narrow than than. Once a company is _public_ then the shareholders can demand profits which can only be returned though unethical or evil actions.

      Google does good things right now. But I have no doubt that when the current board and management of Google retires, they'll be 1000 more evil than a 3-way merger between Monsanto, News Corporation and North Korea.

    63. Re:*clap* *clap* by macs4all · · Score: 0

      Apple has no DRM on its OS

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS#Digital_rights_management Otherwise I agree, Apple is less evil than Sony. Not that that is saying much.

      That was the best you could do? iOS has DRM because it isn't Open Source, and only runs on iOS devices? Against Sony's Rootkit and Playstation history, that's a really weak counter-argument.

    64. Re:*clap* *clap* by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, iOS has DRM that is designed to prevent its user from running software that Apple does not approve of. You can read more than the first sentence, you know...

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    65. Re:*clap* *clap* by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A PC?

    66. Re:*clap* *clap* by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Informative

      What you have failed to realize is that the "App Store Lock-In", and even the "iOS Development Licensing" are actually there to benefit USERS (by keeping Malware OUT, OUT, OUT).

      As well as keeping pornography and political cartoons, software that might compete with Apple, software that might allow people to develop more software in a sandboxed environment, software that might allow people to play old SNES games, etc. OUT OUT OUT. The "this benefits users" argument is nothing more than a cover story; Apple could benefit users without forbidding jailbreaking, without bricking phones that were jailbroken, and without having a policy that forbids lampooning politicians.

      Sony's Rootkit and Playstation DRM battles are there to benefit SONY.

      So how is that not-locked-down gaming platform working for you? Oh yeah, malware:

      https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=windows+malware&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

      Apple's iOS DRM serves exactly the same purpose as PS3's DRM: to thwart competition, prevent customers from controlling their computers (which includes phones and gaming systems) and to tap developers' revenue streams.

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    67. Re:*clap* *clap* by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      NO OTHER COMPANY would have done ANYTHING different.

      What other company has knowingly and purposely installed malware on paying customers' computers? What other company has shipped a product and then removed some of its functionality after it's already been bought and paid for?

      I was a victim of XCP. Don't expect ME to buy anything else from Sony, ever again. If I did to Sony's computers what Sony did to mine when my daughter innocently installed their damned trojan, I'd be in prison.

      Sony doesn't deserve to live. I wish averyone who owned Sony stock would sell it, and I wish people would stop buying Sony products. Sony is evil and doesn't deserve your business.

    68. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      do you realize that this line of thinking --- lumping all fortune 500 companies together ---
      lets the real bad ones off the hook? if they're all bad, there's nothing to fix.

    69. Re:*clap* *clap* by Mordermi · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I'm tired of this "Sony is evil, I won't buy from them." on every article related to Sony. Even though I'm sure that the same people support other large corporations that are just as bad or maybe even worse.

    70. Re:*clap* *clap* by msobkow · · Score: 1

      I agree. It's like the robocall scandal in Canada, the ejection of the Greek Prime Minister, and the questionable elections in the Ukraine and Russia. As a professor of politics from U of R rightly pointed out at yesterday's protest against the robocalls, such attempts to usurp democracies are to be expected. If the population appears complacent enough, someone will try to seize power eventually. It's not a question of if; it's a question of when.

      Large businesses are similarly statistically vulnerable to having one or more managers and projects push unethical products and corporate standings. Unless the rest of the company is perpetually vigilant for such abuses, the abuses will happen.

      The real question is whether such abuses are treated as abuses and corrected, or whether a company leaps off a cliff and starts implementing such abuses as general policy and practice.

      Sony does the latter. Apple does the latter in regard to patents. IBM, Oracle, and others take a dimmer view of such abuses, and seem more interested in their corporate integrity and the opinion of the general public about their company.

      The difference is simple: Is the corporate motive profit at any price, or is it to be a "good citizen" and do more than just "make money?"

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    71. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because of how Sony handled this?

      Because of how they handle everything.

      Sony has made it clear time after time that customers are people who pay them to get shit on.

      Sure there are other companies like that. I try not to do business with them either. Sometimes that is difficult. Not with Sony. I need nothing that they produce.

    72. Re:*clap* *clap* by icebraining · · Score: 1

      You can have a curated App Store without preventing users from installing apps from other sources if they enable some option. The argument that it's for the benefit of the users is dumb excuse.

      As an example, see the model used by plenty of GNU/Linux distros for decades now: repositories with manually verified applications while allowing manual installations for people who know what they're doing.

    73. Re:*clap* *clap* by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Well, duh. Unlike Sony, Apple doesn't have a label or movie studio, therefore they have no incentive to do evil shit to protect profits related to them. Your comparison is nonsensical. You need to compare the areas where Apple does have a profit to protect.

      Sony, OTOH has been caught USING F/OSS code without attribution and in violation of those project's licensing (libarc) in its game, ICO, and parts of LAME (id3lib and more) in an OCX control.

      By the way, Apple has been recently "caught" using maps from the OSM project without attribution. It's not clear if it's a legal violation (their license requires it, but copyright may not apply to the data), but it's still a shitty thing to do.

      By the way, I'm not an Apple hater: I appreciate their work on OSS projects. But I won't buy products from them.

    74. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thing one, comparing a company to Sony is only significant if that company pans out to be more evil than Sony.

      Thing two, iOS is locked down, you can only run what apple allows you to run, and only sell programs that apple approves of. You call this security, I say that is a red herring for vendor lock down.

    75. Re:*clap* *clap* by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Google used to be at least thought of as not evil. It's obvious they're no different from any other corporation these days.. in fact they may even be worse than your average company. The point is that they reached this point without being evil (or more likely without the appearance of being evil).

    76. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll be a heretic here. I'm all for a videogame market crash.

      Unlike 1983 when we had playable games, the videogame market now is pretty much ruled by either consoles where one doesn't even get the content paid for, and where buying DLC is mandatory, what DRM systems (that happen to have a shitty console port game attached) EA and Ubisoft port to the PC, and the few holdouts like Blizzard that actually have their shit together and are making money hand over fist without whining about how piracy-prone the market is.

      If there were a videogame crash, the EAs and Ubisofts would be hurt the most because they live and die by how consoles sell. If people go back to using PCs as the primary gaming machine, it also means the big names have to compete on game quality, not just on being the only people with the license to put stuff out for the platform.

      I wouldn't mind seeing modern day consoles go by the wayside. We don't need any more closed computing, privacy-sucking platforms, as opposed to the humble PC that has just as much graphics capability, if not more, and putting a game on it is just an upload to Steam/GOG/GameTap/iTunes Connect away.

      In fact, if we want to see any changes in the gaming industry where the only thing new is some new FPS sequel, or maybe a Sims 3 expansion, a crash in the console market would be the best thing for the industry long term.

    77. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the old battle from the PC vs Console wars

      One of the battle lines drawn was that PCs were more open and flexible (but more vulnerable to hacks, piracy, difficulty for developers to make code work for multiple hardware configurations...), whereas consoles are the relatively more stable walled garden

      Mind you, the push towards DRM and locking down users is just as strong in the PC world (as ineffective as it usually is). I do think F2P and subscription models are here to stay in the PC world, and not everybody enjoys that cup of tea either (personally, I want F2P to succeed, as I'm a cheapskate PvEer who can live with less frills and don't have to worry about "pay to win", but that's just me and this is getting off topic of our 2 minute hate on Sony ;p)

    78. Re:*clap* *clap* by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      "Standard" as long as you pay royalties to Apple.

    79. Re:*clap* *clap* by Nursie · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it sucked, I didn't make a value judgement at all.

      I simply showed that the post I replied to, that said that Sony stopped using proprietary formats and connectors years ago, was wrong.

    80. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All that sweet, sweet Apple dosh, huh?

    81. Re:*clap* *clap* by hairyfeet · · Score: 0

      Not to mention HD-DVD was designed so it was trivial to convert a plant over to the new format while keeping the original, which would have driven the cost down to DVD levels VERY quick while BD is still stupidly high. Imagine a world with $15 HD-DVD burners and 25c a pop HD-DVD blanks, it could have taken the long term storage format crown very quickly.

      So my point still stands, from the first non cassette Walkman through to the Vita Sony isn't happy unless its using a format made by Sony, which then assrapes you on the price. Hell look at memory stick, NAND flash is just ridiculously cheap, with an 8Gb USB going for $6 and a class 10 SDHC for $7, yet Sony still charges just insulting prices for memory stick instead of licensing it under RAND so that there will be plenty. that is nothing but giving the finger to the very people they need to keep, their customers. personally I'm glad Sony is bleeding money and maybe if they sell off Sony music they'll go back to designing good products again.

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    82. Re:*clap* *clap* by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      sony is not losing any sleep over 'lost customers'.

      want to know why? you kids don't get it - slashdot guys do, in general; but if you're not following this and feel deeply (a minority, to be sure) then you'll just keep buying sony like there never was a problem at all!

      don't believe me? go to a coupon site like fatwallet or slickdeals and see if there is ANY pushback toward sony goods when they are mentioned.

      sony tv, sony games, sony audio stuff - it sells well! ;( it sorrows me, greatly and I speak up often why buying sony is BAD for us all; but no one (over there in and IRL) cares!

      we care but we are a percent of a percent. we don't matter in the sales scheme of things.

      go to slickdeals or some site like that and SEE for yourself how much of a buying frenzy it is when sony is mentioned. people have not gotton the message and sony just keeps on keeping on. it sickens me (I boycott them and have been for over a decade now) but in real terms, no one boycotts them and sony continues to sell and sell and sell.

      the word just isn't getting out; OR kids today just simply do not agree with the principle of 'voting with your dollars'.

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    83. Re:*clap* *clap* by Garth+Smith · · Score: 1

      bullshit, nobody cares about your ethical luxury good purchase policy, nobody except you. get over it

      Maybe you friends don't ask you for advice because they're afraid you'll bite their head off? I've let all my friends know ahead of time that I'll be getting an Xbox 720 and NOT a PS4. Which means ALL of us will probably get Xbox 720s.

    84. Re:*clap* *clap* by hairyfeet · · Score: 0

      Relax peppepz, in case you ain't got the memo we have some serious nutjobs here that have a "all go to hell except cave 76!" attitude and violently attack anybody that dares pop their perception bubbles. hell i had one follow me around for more than half a year all across the web just so he could post "die you fat fucker die" after every single comment by me, and the only reason he ain't doing that now is because he has this "brilliant" idea that APK, a guy I have NEVER agreed with, is actually me due to the fact he dared to also disagree with him so now he follows HIM around instead posting his "die you fat fucker" rants.

      So far I've been accused of shilling for MSFT (funny as I said repeatedly that both Vista and Win 8 are festering turds of fail), Comodo (never even been west of OKC, much less India, just like their business products), Apple (WTF? I don't even own an iPod) and was even told that saying IE was a POS made me a shill FOR the IE team. I still haven't figured out how THAT works yet, maybe "Its a giant POS that is always 3 steps behind everyone else" is rap slang for "Wow this product is great, you should use it", hell if I know i don't listen to Puffy Diddly Do or whatever his name is.

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    85. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's creepy and unacceptable, but to be honest, the xbl agreement might say the same thing and I wouldn't even know.

      Hopefully that just means Sony Gaming can bounce data off Sony Pictures to figure out what content to pimp to you.

    86. Re:*clap* *clap* by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 1

      Well, duh. Unlike Sony, Apple doesn't have a label or movie studio, therefore they have no incentive to do evil shit to protect profits related to them.

      No, but with iTunes Apple have found an even more effective way to monopolize content distribution.

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    87. Re:*clap* *clap* by oldmac31310 · · Score: 0

      ew

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    88. Re:*clap* *clap* by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      LMFAO

      Apple created a walled garden which locks you into using their hardware AND their distribution mechanism.

      With the release of iMatch, Apple has effectively implemented an new type of DRM, one where their proprietary content can be streamed over to their proprietary devices. Apple didn't remove DRM from music, they just changed the way music and media is distributed to iUsers.

      But DRM on music hasn't worked for 20 years, that is why Apple claimed to remove it. How about why can't I play iTunes Movies on my non-Apple device? Why hasn't Apple removed DRM from movies and TV shows? Apple had nothing to do with removing DRM, the industry decided music was a lost cause to protect. The movie industry has not realized this yet which is why the force Apple to enable DRM for their movie content.

      Apple had a marketing slogan "Rip. Mix. Burn.", yes, music only. Blu-Ray is a MOVIE format, Apple does not allow support to burn their movie and TV show content.

      "Apple has a Cloud service which mirrors your music to all your devices", yes, Apple devices only,
      If Apple were heroes, they would open iTunes to support any device, so you could stream media to non-Apple products. The would also support ANY media type on their platform. No chance this is ever going to happen.

      Apple also DICTATES what software can run on iOS. Any competitive service is prevented from being distributed on iDevices. If you are going to start whipping out Apple examples, don't ignore the "bad" stuff.

      So, don't claim Apple is a hero and Sony is a villain. Apple has become one of the most evil companies that is quickly tightening their stranglehold to create a monopoly where they control hardware, software AND content, but the iMasses are so orgasmic over Apple they are not seeing this clearly.

      It is absolutely retarded that people see Sony as evil and Apple as heroes when BOTH companies are trying to do the EXACT same thing, create a walled garden locking users into their platform. The difference is that Apple was a lot slicker (re slimey) and more successful to accomplish this vs Sony.

      Sony has a right to protect their online services. This is not about them trying to create more DRM, this is about them preventing fucktards of hacking into their online services and ruining them for people that just want to play a game or rent a movie. Yeah, Sony is evil for that. Whether Sony has learned from past mistakes, it is yet to be seen, but they are learning that they cannot have a viable content system if their users loose faith in their ability to protect those online systems.

      While I don't want to support walled gardens, I support any other company trying to compete with Apple, but Apple has a "lets crush them!" mentality and I am very afraid that 10 years from now you can only buy content through iTunes (controlled and set by Apple pricing schemes) and run them on iDevices (controlled and set by Apple pricing schemes).

      If that is not the sign of an evil, selfish and greedy corporation, then you have your head stuck in the sand.

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    89. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to include the arrogant Google assholes.

    90. Re:*clap* *clap* by BitZtream · · Score: 0

      Once a company is _public_ then the shareholders can demand profits which can only be returned though unethical or evil actions.

      Actually, in America corps are legally obligated to follow their charter, share holders be damned. Most charters effectively say make money at all costs, but they do not have to.

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    91. Re:*clap* *clap* by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 1

      1. Computers don't cost $2000. 2. Friends have a computer. Everyone has a computer. 3. Not all computer games have DRM. 4. You can hook a computer up to any size monitor, including a TV. 5. I for one know more people who play games on a computer than I do who use a game console.

    92. Re:*clap* *clap* by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 1

      *Sorry, I meant to say MOST computers don't cost as much as $2000. You can get a perfectly good gaming computer for ~$500.

    93. Re:*clap* *clap* by BitZtream · · Score: 0

      You fail to understand one basic problem with users. It isn't unique to computing, all engineers of any quality know it.

      EVERYONE THINKS THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, regardless of what it is.

      Linux, due to is relative obscurity to the public and its historically difficult for a cluebie to use interface for installations and such (yes, I know different distros do different things and many of them are easy peasy ... NOW, they weren't for the majority of Linux's life time.) coupled with a few other stupid Linux zealot quirks have made it so that the only people who run Linux are people who know mostly not to download stupid shit and people who know someone who installed and locked down their Linux box to a safe mode for dumb users, but where they more or less get a less easy to use AppStore and its difficult for them to figure out how to change that, especially if you don't give them root.

      On the other hand, Apple sells to the main stream and their goal is to get everyone using their devices, regardless of the their existing certifications for being a super duper admin and knowing all there is to know about computing and safety on the Internet. If you want to be effective, you really can't give the general public the option to hang themselves as they'll do it and then blame you, regardless of how many warnings you give them and tell them not to.

      You make it easy for people to break out of that area, like say ... jailbreaking apps do ... and you end up with a bunch of morons who installed sshd and didn't change the generic default password. None of what I'm saying is theory, you can take a look at jailbreaking alone to see what happens when you give the general public the ability to make that choice for themselves. They are not qualified to make that decision and its unethical in my opinion to ignore that fact as a developer.

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    94. Re:*clap* *clap* by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      So for $2,000 I can choose not to play with my friends, on a small screen, with games distributed the same way you can get them on Xbox, including the drm?

      You may want to browse a few computer hardware sights because everything you're bitching about is perfectly simple to do on a PC, and you don't have to spend anywhere near $2000 to build a console equivalent in terms of hardware. If you want freedom, you have to get off your ass and work for it. Sorry if that bothers you, but that's life.

    95. Re:*clap* *clap* by BitZtream · · Score: 0

      How do you figure that? About half the music on my devices isn't from iTunes. That ratio is going down however as iTunes is just convenient for me so its leaning towards that. The other half are mp3s and such I ripped from CDs or bought elsewhere before iTunes went to no-DRM on music, at which point I switched to iTunes since it has the largest catalog I'm aware of.

      There is nothing that prevents me from distributing content to iOS users and nothing that stops me from viewing the content others send me, assuming its in any one of a number of open (I didn't say free) standard formats.

      Hell, I don't even have to use the iTunes software to get the content on the phone, the web is a beautiful thing.

      I guess they did find a way to monopolize distribution as everyone just uses them, but its not like they really cheated to get there. Its not illegal to monopolize by building a better mouse trap. Hell, its not even illegal to be a monopoly in general if you got there and behave within the rules of the system.

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    96. Re:*clap* *clap* by peppepz · · Score: 1

      Show me one proprietary connector on a modern Apple product (patented MagSafe power conn. excluded).

      Dock connector. New dock connector. Ipod shuffle port.

      And if you Google for five seconds, you will several third-party apps that can be used to "sync" to Apple's mobile devices.

      So what? There are some hackers who reverse-engineered Apple's proprietary protocol, despite Apple's opposition. Oh, and those third-party apps still require iTunes to be installed or your device to be hacked. Where was I wrong?

    97. Re:*clap* *clap* by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      I really don't see google doing anything truly anti-competitive though... For the most part, any services you use with google, you have options to get your data out (IMAP/POP support in gmail) and document exports from apps... you can totally leave the google ecosystem, and/or start competing services without google interfering directly, other than competing...

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    98. Re:*clap* *clap* by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      "What you have failed to realize is that the "App Store Lock-In", and even the "iOS Development Licensing" are actually there to benefit USERS"

      Wow. Koolaid drinking taken to 11. Then again with a username like macs4all what else can be expected?

      No, App Store lock-in benefits Apple as much or more than it does the users. Why just yesterday I was talking with a friend of mine about how to get our iOS devices to use a VPN connection to one of our servers, and we realized that in order to get that operational we'd have to jailbreak all the devices in question to get the OpenVPN client from Cydia. Why? Because Apple won't bless any of the existing implementations of OpenVPN, nor will they release the APIs to implement it so it can get the AppStore(TM) seal of approval, despite repeated promises that "it's coming". So in order to use our devices securely on our internal networks we have to jailbreak our devices. Nice.

      This isn't an isolated incident either, there are tons of stories about app devs having their apps pulled from the App store for non-malware related reasons, a favorite of Apple's being that they don't want any app that "duplicates core functionality of the idevice"? Afraid of being shown up, are they? Or there are other stories about app developers spending months and thousands of dollars in development costs only to have apps rejected without a clear explanation of what caused the rejection, only being told to "make changes and submit it again". Or in some cases, the app developers resubmit it, get a different examiner and the exact same app now goes live in the app store. That's a broken system no matter how you look at it.

    99. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Preface, Apple is a evil, selfish and greedy corporation; that's the point of corporations, to make money, lots of it. Sadly that includes doing it any way they can that is within both the law and public acceptance. That includes Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Apple and so on. However, your post is utter bullshit and you should be called on it.

      LMFAO

      - Really?

      Apple created a walled garden which locks you into using their hardware AND their distribution mechanism.

      - Locked? No. this 'walled garden is the easy route for consumers, not the 3% of geeks & nerds.

      With the release of iMatch, Apple has effectively implemented an new type of DRM, one where their proprietary content can be streamed over to their proprietary devices. Apple didn't remove DRM from music, they just changed the way music and media is distributed to iUsers.

      - No. It's not DRM, in fact it legitimises your collection regardless of where you got your MP3 files from. Propriatary content? No you need to own the files first, idiot. Propriatary devices? Mostly, but you can buy this service from anything that runs iTunes and stream it. Not just iDevices.

      But DRM on music hasn't worked for 20 years, that is why Apple claimed to remove it. How about why can't I play iTunes Movies on my non-Apple device? Why hasn't Apple removed DRM from movies and TV shows? Apple had nothing to do with removing DRM, the industry decided music was a lost cause to protect. The movie industry has not realized this yet which is why the force Apple to enable DRM for their movie content.

      - Again, you are an idiot. Apple did not claim to remove DRM, it campaigned and pushed the music industry until the music industry finally allowed them to remove DRM. And they did remove DRM as soon as they could. They always had purposeful back doors to remove DRM even when they were forced to include it by the music industry.

      Apple had a marketing slogan "Rip. Mix. Burn.", yes, music only. Blu-Ray is a MOVIE format, Apple does not allow support to burn their movie and TV show content.

      - The only used "Rip. Mix. Burn." in relation to music. What argument are you trying to push with that nonsense statement? Apple still doesn't support Blu-Ray and has skipped it as a stillborn format. Partly due to the Blu-Ray rights Sony forces all companies to agree to and partly because, as far as Apple is concerned, the future is downloads.

      "Apple has a Cloud service which mirrors your music to all your devices", yes, Apple devices only,
      If Apple were heroes, they would open iTunes to support any device, so you could stream media to non-Apple products. The would also support ANY media type on their platform. No chance this is ever going to happen. > Mostly I covered this. Any music type? They cover AAC and MP3 and ALAC (lossless). Why would they cover ogg and so on? For the 0.5% that use it? Stupid business move.

      Apple also DICTATES what software can run on iOS. Any competitive service is prevented from being distributed on iDevices. If you are going to start whipping out Apple examples, don't ignore the "bad" stuff.

      - All OS DICTATE what you can run. iOS you can run iOS software. Android you can run android software. Windows you run Windows software, and so on. Competitive service? Like many App Stores? Most people, and business in particular, don't want that. You can do it of course, but again, that is for the 3% geek crowd.

      So, don't claim Apple is a hero and Sony is a villain. Apple has become one of the most evil companies that is quickly tightening their stranglehold to create a monopoly where they control hardware, software AND content, but the iMasses are so orgasmic over Apple they are not seeing this clearly.

      - Google want a monopoly on search. Sony wants a monopoly on consoles. Apple wants a monopoly on tablets. Corporations want a monopoly to make more money. Evil? Yes. Nature of modern corporations? Yes.

      It is absolutely retarded that people see Sony as evil and Apple as heroes when BOTH companies ar

    100. Re:*clap* *clap* by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      You say that like it's a bad thing.
        (It's hard to hit a vein with vi users, anyway - or maybe I'm just going dyslexic.)

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    101. Re:*clap* *clap* by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Apple has a Cloud service which mirrors your music to all your devices, regardless of where it came from. Sony?

      In their defense, they probably realize that the only people who would entrust their music with sony after that whole rootkit thing are utterly and completely uninformed as to what else is out there, so no need to add features like "being able to upload your music and play it on your devices."

    102. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in a corporation if you don't maximize profits for your shareholders due to some moral objection you have to a particular course of action then you can be assured that you will be replaced with someone who holds no such moral objections. therefore, resistance is futile.

    103. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So opening up their movies and books to anyone / anything with a browser that supports JS (sure, there's "DRM" on that, but they're still working within the framework of Big Hollywood and E-Book publishers) is evil? They're also only renting movies, not selling them -- an actual "good use" for DRM..

    104. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean all of the device which pay a pretty penny to guess who! -- and they pass on the "savings" to the customer!

      If you're also suggesting that this "multifunction connector" that has been in use for more than 10 years because they KNEW that they were going to one day interface with a tablet? You're a little deluded.

      Additionally, this "multifunction" adapter? What does it do? It's a USB cable and a headphone jack. If a device didn't use proprietary connectors / DRM / file formats,. any docking station that could read USB sticks would work just by plugging it in. ( http://www.dinodirect.com/cgfm-24-car-mp3-player-with-fm-transmitter-yellow.html )

    105. Re:*clap* *clap* by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      I will agree with that statement in general.. I do find that Sony often develops competing media storage formats for no apparent reason other than to collect licensing fees from others, or charge more for them (Memory Stick vs. CF/SD for example). I think Sony (especially being in league with RIAA/MPAA) puts them at the top of the evil corporation list. I actually have far less issue with their hardware than their media arms. That said, I just won't buy their products at all at this point. They assert far to much vertical control over entertainment as a whole.

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    106. Re:*clap* *clap* by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Well there is that rumor that valve is gonna put out a "steam box" which will basically be a stripped down OS just running steam on COTS hardware, but hell if you are gonna do that why not just slap yourself together a dirt cheap HTPC? The AMD AM3 and AM3+ chips are really cheap, with the Athlon X3 at $70 and if you catch the sales the Thuban X6 has been selling at tiger for $109 and the boards for those are again dirt cheap with nice Asrock boards for around $40, you can pick up brand new HD4850 cards at geeks for $51 now and while not the top of the heap anymore they are still insanely powerful, finally add the HDD of your choice and Win 7 HP and tada!

      Or if you'd like even easier here is a 6 core monster for $320 and I can say as i own that chip that it kicks major ass both in gaming and transcoding, just slap that HD4850 I mentioned and Win 7 along with your choice of wireless controller (X360, PS3 style, flightstick, etc) and you have a machine that will not only kick some major ass gaming but will do just about any job you can come up with, be it streaming, downloading, office work, media tank, websurfing, you name it it'll do it for many many years to come.

      In the end that's why i gave up on the consoles and went full time PC, sure the consoles have some nice specs when they first come out but they are so DRMed that frankly they quickly become useless for anything but consuming approved content in approved ways. My 2.5GHz P4 that I was gaming on a decade ago is now my mom's netbox where she plays her match 3 games and shops, the 2008 era Pentium duals my nephews were gaming on I recently sold for enough I was able to upgrade them to AMD triple cores (both I was able to successfully unlock) so they'll be good for awhile and I have no doubt the most I'll have to do with this AMD 6 core is change out the GPU for another $60 card in a year or two when the 6850s are as cheap as the 4850s are now. That's the nice thing about PCs, when they are no longer powerful enough for gaming they can be re-purposed and continue to be useful. In fact my very first gamer PC, a 100MHz Pentium, is actually still running 5 days a week at a lumber mill. they bought it and my 233Mhz to run an old C&C lathe that only runs on an ISA card. You'd be surprised how long a PC will last with just a little care.

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    107. Re:*clap* *clap* by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      That's laughable. Oracle is widely touted as being among the most evil companies out there (crappy overpriced products, and constant acquisition of companies in order to destroy their products or litigate a competitor, read Android). And IBM frankly doesn't give a crap what the general public thinks of them, they only care what the enterprise thinks of them.

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    108. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe my friends are not hopeless sheep?
      the OP was not talking about collectively pre-planning a gaming purchase, neither was i
      as i previously stated i'm for better or for worse now a 'grown up' as is my social circle, we have kids, the kids drive our gaming purchases, i do not give a flying fuck what brand my friends buy and rightfully so.

    109. Re:*clap* *clap* by icebraining · · Score: 1

      As the primary support guy for multiple family members, I understand very well that problem. Doesn't mean I have to agree with their solution.

      You make it easy for people to break out of that area, like say ... jailbreaking apps do ... and you end up with a bunch of morons who installed sshd and didn't change the generic default password. None of what I'm saying is theory, you can take a look at jailbreaking alone to see what happens when you give the general public the ability to make that choice for themselves. They are not qualified to make that decision and its unethical in my opinion to ignore that fact as a developer.

      Personally, I think that just supports my point. Some people will want to install third-party apps, with or without your permission. By refusing to support that, Apple has led those users to use shitty jailbreaking software which puts their data at risk, when they could've added proper support for installing third-party apps (possibly even giving them reduced privileges) without opening up stupid security holes.

      Their decision was the worst of both worlds. How is that ethical?

    110. Re:*clap* *clap* by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      No, Blu-ray was the inferior format. Why, HD-DVD didn't even support region coding. The DRM was half-assed at best, which makes it technically superior by definition.

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    111. Re:*clap* *clap* by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Your facts are largely *irrelevant*, as AC makes so abundantly clear. Wish I'd posted it myself.

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    112. Re:*clap* *clap* by peppepz · · Score: 1

      Your facts are largely *irrelevant*

      Opinion.

      , as AC makes so abundantly clear.

      Weasel words.

      Wish I'd posted it myself.

      Emotion.

      Facts: still missing.

    113. Re:*clap* *clap* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The more I get to know of it the more I can safely say that the USA truly, truly sucks.

      In the USA we have the option to buy a cheap POS with a very limited warranty and a nanny doesn't tell us we cannot do so. Stay in Europe if you do not want to deal with those pesky matters of personal responsibility.

    114. Re:*clap* *clap* by alexo · · Score: 1

      I was a victim of XCP. Don't expect ME to buy anything else from Sony, ever again. If I did to Sony's computers what Sony did to mine when my daughter innocently installed their damned trojan, I'd be in prison.

      Sony doesn't deserve to live. I wish averyone who owned Sony stock would sell it, and I wish people would stop buying Sony products. Sony is evil and doesn't deserve your business.

      And yet, Sony will continue to prosper, because not one person in a thousand knows, and of those that know, not one in a thousand cares.

    115. Re:*clap* *clap* by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      i"m sorry but when steam got hacked i got an email quite fast that my data might or might not be compromised and that i should check and renew passes anyway just in case, so some other companies would. Or maybe that's just why steam is the very proof that much dineiro can be made with pc gaming

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  2. wrong medication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is treating the symptom not the problem.

    1. Re:wrong medication by FormOfActionBanana · · Score: 1

      What do you propose they do... kill all the would-be attackers?

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    2. Re:wrong medication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here's a start:

      1. Bring back OtherOS
      2. Stop supporting CSS, AACS, HDCP and other forms of DRM
      3. Apologise for installing rookits on people's computers without their knowledge
      4. Apologise for taking legal action against people who circumvented their digital restrictions

    3. Re:wrong medication by peppepz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      2. Stop supporting CSS, AACS, HDCP and other forms of DRM

      That is, stop playing DVD, Blu-Rays, and drop the ability to connect to HDMI and DVI displays? If you don't like the above mentioned technologies, you can play unprotected media and connect the PS3 via SCART, VGA or component cables anyway.

      It's not that Sony, like Google, is plotting to insert DRM into the open standard that governs the Web.

      3. Apologise for installing rookits on people's computers without their knowledge

      Done. Seven years ago. And by the way, did Apple and other phone manufacturers issue any apology for installing CarrierIQ, which had privacy implications several orders of magnitude greater, on millions of phones?

      4. Apologise for taking legal action against people who circumvented their digital restrictions

      Do Google apologise when they do just that?

    4. Re:wrong medication by Sneeka2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      2. Stop supporting CSS, AACS, HDCP and other forms of DRM

      That is, stop playing DVD, Blu-Rays, and drop the ability to connect to HDMI and DVI displays?

      That's the point, come up with a frickin' format that does not use DRM and distribute movies in said format (Sony is a mayor distributor and user of DRM'd formats).

      If you don't like the above mentioned technologies, you can play unprotected media and connect the PS3 via SCART, VGA or component cables anyway.

      We know you love your PS3, but why do the rest of us have to put up with crippled discs we want to play elsewhere?

      It's not that Sony, like Google, is plotting to insert DRM into the open standard that governs the Web.

      No, because they've already inserted their DRM everywhere that matters to them.

      3. Apologise for installing rookits on people's computers without their knowledge

      Done. Seven years ago. And by the way, did Apple and other phone manufacturers issue any apology for installing CarrierIQ...

      Interesting that you'd pick the one company by name that was the least weasel-worded about what it did and didn't use CarrieIQ for.

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    5. Re:wrong medication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is, stop playing DVD, Blu-Rays, and drop the ability to connect to HDMI and DVI displays?

      Do DVDs, Blu-Rays, HDMI and DVI require digital restrictions? Last time I checked, they could all be used without it. The fact is, Sony (and other companies) actively choose to use those digital restrictions.

      If you don't like the above mentioned technologies, you can play unprotected media and connect the PS3 via SCART, VGA or component cables anyway.

      The supposed point of HDCP was to prevent people from getting really good quality video without using DRM (and prevent those evil pirates from pirating!!1!)

      It's not that Sony, like Google, is plotting to insert DRM into the open standard that governs the Web

      Oh, so instead they inserted DRM into the "open" standard that governs television and multimedia playback. Besides, did I ever say I supported Google? Sorry, I don't.

      Done. Seven years ago.

      I don't see. They appear to have deleted all pages related to the rootkit scandal from their website.

    6. Re:wrong medication by peppepz · · Score: 0

      That's the point, come up with a frickin' format that does not use DRM and distribute movies in said format (Sony is a mayor distributor and user of DRM'd formats).

      Great, when Hollywood will start distributing movies in any DRM-free form you'll be able to play them on the PS3. It supports a lot of DRM-free formats.

      We know you love your PS3

      Thanks for the ad-hominem attack. It's about the fifth one I've got today for posting a positive comment about a product of Sony.

      but why do the rest of us have to put up with crippled discs we want to play elsewhere?

      You don't have to. The PS3 is perfectly able to play uncrippled discs. That said, there are quite a lot of people around the world that actually like to pay an excessive amount of money to watch films, and here and today supporting DRM is the only way to have them as customers.

      No, because they've already inserted their DRM everywhere that matters to them.

      Interesting that you'd pick the one company by name that was the least weasel-worded about what it did and didn't use CarrieIQ for.

      But curiously, Sony are the only ones that get bashed here on Slashdot. This is what I want to strike with my comments.

    7. Re:wrong medication by peppepz · · Score: 1

      Do DVDs, Blu-Rays, HDMI and DVI require digital restrictions? Last time I checked, they could all be used without it.

      Yes, they require the DRM technologies (in that order) that the post I was responding to wanted Sony not to support. Some of them (DVD) allows them to be disabled. Some of them (HDMI) don't. All of them will require them in order to play back the media that you can actually buy in shops.

      The supposed point of HDCP was to prevent people from getting really good quality video without using DRM (and prevent those evil pirates from pirating!!1!)

      Correct. Fortunately it has been cracked.

      Oh, so instead they inserted DRM into the "open" standard that governs television and multimedia playback. Besides, did I ever say I supported Google? Sorry, I don't.

      But media playback is a traditionally DRM- and patent- infested territory, while the Web isn't (yet). I like the fact that you don't support Google when it's evil, let's meet on the next slashdot story about a Google evilness and then let's count how many we are there. But you'll have to post not anonymously, so you'll get the same downmods that I always get in those circumstances.

    8. Re:wrong medication by Sneeka2 · · Score: 1

      Great, when Hollywood will start distributing movies in any DRM-free form you'll be able to play them on the PS3. It supports a lot of DRM-free formats.

      I don't care that I can play un-DRM'd content on a PS3. I don't have a PS3. But I do have to live with the restrictions of DRM'd Blu-ray discs, which gained in popularity thanks to such arguments as "well, it plays even on your game console, so what are you complaining about?" And Sony is a huge part of Hollywood. If they wanted to, they could distribute non-DRM'd content. Because Sony is a huge content distributor. And they are exactly the ones that insist on DRM.

      Thanks for the ad-hominem attack. It's about the fifth one I've got today for posting a positive comment about a product of Sony.

      I don't really have anything against Sony, believe me or not. But your defense, based virtually entirely on a single product, the PS3, is just too delicious.

      But curiously, Sony are the only ones that get bashed here on Slashdot.

      Oh, you must come back on the Apple-bash and Microsoft-hate days, it's fun then.

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    9. Re:wrong medication by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's not even treating the symptom. That's just a painkiller so you don't even feel the symptom anymore.

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    10. Re:wrong medication by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      I have a strange, maybe backwards, idea, but it just might work: Produce what your customer wants, but, you know, with the actual intent to give him what he wants, not just the bait-and-switch strategy of showing him what he wants, waiting 'til he buys and then yanking it from his grasp to leave him with what YOU want.

      It just might make people actually, you know, WANT to buy your products. I have a hunch it might work a lot better than trying to force people to buy your crap.

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    11. Re:wrong medication by FormOfActionBanana · · Score: 1

      That is off topic. The topic is about Sony finally improving their security posture (a good thing).

      The GP is suggesting improving their security posture is a worse idea than not pissing people off in the first place. I think that since they need to improve their security either way... it's immaterial whether or not they know how to run the rest of their business properly.

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    12. Re:wrong medication by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      The sad part is that the DRM doesnt matter if it is ever thrown up on a pixel-matrix...

      Getting hold of the data will be possible, and as it gets harder and harder, people get MORE motivated to do it for bragging rights... the "Scene" is a nutty place ;)

      Only takes one person to make a rip, and all the DRM in the world wont help... (barring 'Trusted Computing' and such..)

    13. Re:wrong medication by Sneeka2 · · Score: 1

      Yup, which is exactly why the over-DRM'd crap formats are all the more infuriating.

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    14. Re:wrong medication by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I have a strange, maybe backwards, idea, but it just might work: Produce what your customer wants, but, you know, with the actual intent to give him what he wants, not just the bait-and-switch strategy of showing him what he wants, waiting 'til he buys and then yanking it from his grasp to leave him with what YOU want.

      It just might make people actually, you know, WANT to buy your products. I have a hunch it might work a lot better than trying to force people to buy your crap.

      Apple's market cap and stock price stands as ample evidence that "your" idea, works...

    15. Re:wrong medication by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      you can play unprotected media

      Only some un-restricted media; here is a large class that your PS3 will not play unless you receive Sony's seal of approval:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_games

      It's not that Sony, like Google, is plotting to insert DRM into the open standard that governs the Web.

      "Google does evil things too! Let's praise Sony!"

      did Apple and other phone manufacturers issue any apology for installing CarrierIQ

      Well, much as I disagree with Apple, yes they did, in roughly the same language of corporate-PR-speak that Sony used when talking about the rootkit. Neither company has changed its attitude about its customers.

      Do Google apologise

      Oh look, another "all the other kids are being naughty too" argument.

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    16. Re:wrong medication by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      But media playback is a traditionally DRM- and patent- infested territory

      No it is not. They used to have DRM-free satellite broadcasts, and people used to just tune in with giant C-band antennas. Then some bright folks at HBO hired some bright folks at a company now owned by Motorola to develop a DRM system for satellite TV. Video cassettes used to be DRM free also, until some bright folks at Macrovision started attacking AGC circuits in VCRs.

      The tradition is for media of all kinds to start out DRM-free, then for DRM to creep in. The removal of DRM from iTunes music was a rare event. In general, corporations (including Sony) have little respect for their customers.

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    17. Re:wrong medication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think GP's point is that Sony gets an in-proportionate amount of hate over other companies who also do "bad/evil" things

      It's not "other people are bad praise Sony" or "everybody else is bad", but more like "other people do bad and they just get a slap on the wrist. Sony does bad and it gets a death sentence"

    18. Re:wrong medication by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      other people do bad and they just get a slap on the wrist. Sony does bad and it gets a death sentence

      You must be new here. Take a look at the comments on any Apple or Facebook story, and you will see people attacking their policies just as much as Sony's.

      As for the hackers, I suspect it was a matter of opportunity. Sony was probably easier to attack from the comfort of one's home (where most of the hackers were working) than other companies that the hackers probably wanted to target.

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    19. Re:wrong medication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here. Take a look at the comments on any Apple or Facebook story, and you will see people attacking their policies just as much as Sony's.

      I did take a look. Sony gets it worse

      When people point out "everybody else uses Foxconn, not just Apple", those comments often get informative/insightful. With Sony, we have... well... people like you who react to the "other people are bad" argument.

      Likewise with Facebook, people point how the user is not the consumer, but the product (so whatever bad policy Facebook has "makes sense"). Those comments get positively modded for being truthful. In Sony stories however, people jump on people like peppepz for daring to not go with the flow of hate

    20. Re:wrong medication by Nursie · · Score: 1

      Err, you might want to read up on HDMI, it absolutely does not require HDCP in order to function.

      You can quite happily display HD content without an encrypted connection, so long as the machine doing the displaying allows it. HDCP is a measure implemented by the computer to make sure the screen can be trusted. The screen will happily accept signals without it if the computer doesn't ask. DVI is the same.

      DVD and Blu-Ray can exist in DRM-less form also.

    21. Re:wrong medication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the DRM removal from Amazon was a rare event. Only then, other companies followed after that -- other companies that might have had even more sales and market clout to demand as such!

    22. Re:wrong medication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh...

      tl;dr versions:
      Out of your 3 examples:
      - two were letters indicating that they were in violation - and could lose access to - other company's mapping data, asking them somewhat politely to stop.
      - one of them was a legal action because a company was "pirating" their software; Cyanogen provided a tool to copy the licensed products out of a user's own phone and everyone's happy now.

      Explained:
      do) Your mgmaps.com wasn't a "legal action" (it's even signed "Google Enforcement Team", not "ABC and ABC Lawyers"); it was a letter asking them to take it down because the use of the "map tiles violates our rights and the rights of the entities that license those map tiles to us." i.e. They've only purchased a license for their own use and they CANNOT redistribute it. If map companies caught wind Google knew about MGMaps and did nothing, Google could get into legal trouble and / or worse (for us anyway), Google Maps wouldn't work.

      just) Here's google's response: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/09/note-on-google-apps-for-android.html
      And what did the Cyanogen team do that Google has no issue with? He created a tool to let users rip their own licensed copies of the apps from their own phones and build it into Cyanogen's OS. Net result? One extra step for exactly the same result. No further legal issues. In this case, Google could have easily sued Cyanogenmod into the ground for facilitating piracy because they were distributing copyrighted works (Maps, Gmail, etc), but they didn't.

      that) Same as "Do". Google does not own the mapping data; they only pay for a license for third party users. It even explains why the Gaia project needs to stop, and not just "STOP NOW OR WE SUE."

    23. Re:wrong medication by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Damn, I knew I should have patented it.

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    24. Re:wrong medication by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much the point: Produce what people want, sell them what they want (ya know, good ol' capitalist style) and they won't be pissed at you. People who aren't pissed at you won't attack you. Quite the opposite, they will probably even go out of their way to fight for you, if only with words and flames (aka fanboys).

      For reference, see Apple, Linux and all the other companies, organizations and systems that have a zealous following that would kill their firstborn if he said anything against their beloved brand.

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    25. Re:wrong medication by FormOfActionBanana · · Score: 1

      That's the way "popularity" works. That's not the way "security" works.

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  3. Cheaper strategy by mcbridematt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't be dicks.

    1. Re:Cheaper strategy by jon42689 · · Score: 0

      Oh how I wish I had mod points today. +5 Insightful

    2. Re:Cheaper strategy by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cuts both ways. While Sony has pissed me off lately, the hackers equally so. As a casual gamer, I'm so sick and tired of all these angsty hackers posing an "up your ass with a stance" attitude. Why the hell should I have to take flak from both sides just enjoy a little gaming? I tell ya, it's simply not worth my time or my security being compromised.

      Screw this, I'm gaming elsewhere.

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    3. Re:Cheaper strategy by artor3 · · Score: 1

      That only works to a point. Hackers frequently don't share the morals of normal people. Sony could easily do something completely innocuous, only to find that they've angered a bunch of internet thugs who respond by making Sony and their customers suffer.

      It's akin to staying on the mob's good side so that they don't torch your shop. It might be cheaper and easier in the short term, but it's not a sustainable strategy. In the long run, you need to be able to defend yourself.

    4. Re:Cheaper strategy by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He who lies down with dogs gets up with fleas.

      You might want to check the species of your bedfellow.

      It's not like Sony's sins are minor. They include bait and switch and mass hacking on a scale Anon. can't even aspire to. Because they have money, they have gone un-punished.

      So, yeah, gaming elsewhere is probably a good idea.

    5. Re:Cheaper strategy by sjames · · Score: 1

      Evidence suggests that being at least neutral greatly reduces your chances of being attacked. Sure, they MIGHT get attacked anyway, but they PROBABLY wouldn't be. The attacks have for the most part been well aimed so far.

    6. Re:Cheaper strategy by Moleculo · · Score: 2

      If that actually was cheaper, they'd probably be doing it already. Why do you think they became dicks in the first place, for the fun of it?

    7. Re:Cheaper strategy by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Evidence also suggests that the internet never, ever, ever forgives. Sony is evil in the minds of internet-people, and no amount of "being neutral" will change that any time soon. Are they just supposed to suffer all the beatdowns they get over the next ten years until people start to say, "Hey, that rootkit thing was a long time ago..."?

    8. Re:Cheaper strategy by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 2

      Sony is evil in the minds of internet-people, and no amount of "being neutral" will change that any time soon.

      No, but a large amount of "being good" would change that. Bringing back OtherOS, donating $25 million to the Mozilla Foundation, or opening a no-kill shelter for kittens would probably take a lot of heat off of them. Even though Google seems to have gotten away with it, "Don't be evil" is a pretty good rule to live by to keep armies of nerds off your ass.

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    9. Re:Cheaper strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Social" hackers generate a bunch of bad publicity, but there's many more attacks from people just trying to steal credit card numbers, passwords, or just wreak havok. They don't really care if you're a good company or not.

    10. Re:Cheaper strategy by AdamJS · · Score: 1

      Well, it doesn't help that after some form of openness (ie otherOS, standardized inputs on the PS3), they immediately clamp shut (proprietary memory designed only for maximizing profit and for screwing gamers over) and that they always follow said process.

    11. Re:Cheaper strategy by AdamJS · · Score: 1

      Because Corporations generally dislike consumers, and Sony is at the top of the pile of disdain.
      Oh, they love the consumers' wallets, of course.

    12. Re:Cheaper strategy by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No, but their hacks are much easier to hush up. Because you and them, you BOTH want nobody to know about it.

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    13. Re:Cheaper strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      donating $25 million to the Mozilla Foundation

      Who are you even kidding? Barely anyone gives a damn about Mozilla anymore.
      Everyone who did, besides the absolute Mozilla fanboys, left for Chrome(ium)

      I used to like them, I even wanted to help push for XUL to become the framework for menu descriptions in HTML since it works really well. So much better than dealing with crappy, still very broken CSS.
      Then it happened, the first signs of them going down that route.

      They have absolutely destroyed their image thanks to them wrecking their own browser in every way possible.
      Besides being able to wreck or create the interface in ways no other browser can, that is about the only decent feature it has. You want no chrome on the browser at all and throw all interface stuff in to menus? Well, pretty simply with some CSS and a few extensions.
      Oh well. RIP Mozilla. Again. Maybe the 3rd time they come about, they will have learned not to mess things up...

    14. Re:Cheaper strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hey, that rootkit thing was a long time ago..."?

      Their best response to that would be to say "you are welcome to rootkit our things in return". You know, an eye for an eye type of thing. Seriously though what does Sony have to offer for the average nerd, free and easy disassembling and hacking of their products? What motivation does anyone who wants to take things apart and make them do stuff they weren't designed to do have to support Sony?

    15. Re:Cheaper strategy by jandrese · · Score: 1

      So if I play games I'm getting in bed with Sony. If I don't play games I get into bed with hackers. It seems there is no way to win this game.

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    16. Re:Cheaper strategy by sjames · · Score: 1

      Not playing games is not getting into bed with anyone.

    17. Re:Cheaper strategy by sjames · · Score: 1

      They DID earn the beatdowns. They probable doubled the hate by refusing to make a real apology even after it was perfectly clear they crossed the line. Playing the corporate get out of jail free card while kids get put under the jail for hacking on even a tiny fraction of the scale Sony did cemented it into place.

      They earned the hate through some fairly large scale evils, it would take an equally large act of contrition to make the hate go away.

    18. Re:Cheaper strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mass hacking on a scale Anon. can't even aspire to.

      Sony hacks 1,000,000 computers, slap on the wrist fine.
      Someone hacks 1 computer from their mom's basement, 20 years in jail and a crushing fine.

  4. Wrong use of word? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hacktivism is to protest political ends. I belive the term is misused here...

    1. Re:Wrong use of word? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hacktivism is to protest political ends. I belive the term is misused here...

      Right. Unless all those credit card numbers were stolen to support the Club A Baby Seal for Supply-Side Jesus movement, it was just theft, not hactivism.

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    2. Re:Wrong use of word? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Would ending the practice of locking down material with DRM be considered a political position? I could see that going both ways. This gets muddled even more when you consider entities like the Swedish Pirate Party.

      --

      I read the internet for the articles.
  5. Wrong way of thinking by gzipped_tar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As part of the society, you should think about how not to become a target of hacking activism. Especially when it's impossible to crush every one of the "hackers".

    Better yet, convert them into your loyal customers, and even better, direct their anger to your competitors.

    --
    Colorless green Cthulhu waits dreaming furiously.
    1. Re:Wrong way of thinking by Sir_Sri · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That seems utterly impractical. The barrier to entry for attempting to hack is sufficiently low that any big company will offend people eventually, no matter what it does. Made a game I don't like, use boxes that are too large for shipping? Price a product some jackass feels entitled to at a point more than they can afford. Etc. etc. etc.

      Sure, sony has earned a lot of their current hate. But every company has to realize that they will offend someone eventually, if nothing else than the thrill of trying to hack a big company.

      From http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2011/index.html
      The largets US Companies in 2011
      Wal-Mart Stores
      Exxon Mobil
      Chevron
      ConocoPhillips
      Fannie Mae
      General Electric
      Berkshire Hathaway
      General Motors
      Bank of America
      Ford Motor

      I challenge you to find anyone on that list that hasn't pissed off a lot of people, intentionally or otherwise, and legitimately or otherwise, but there are still a lot of angry people at them. And you can keep going down the list.

      Sony isn't any different, and even if they change their ways, people will still believe them evil a decade from now. But I don't think you do 100 billion dollars a year in business and not make enough people angry to cause all sorts of hacking problems. Even Warren Buffet has made enemies because he thinks he makes too much money and should be taxed more.

    2. Re:Wrong way of thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll grant you that just based on statistics and human nature, any company with a sufficiently-large customer base will invariably really piss off some minority sub-group of their customers. However, there's a difference between pissing off minor subgroups on some matter of debate (e.g. "Wal-mart sells eyeliner that was tested on rabbits! Let's protest these animal-haters!"), and taking flatly evil, anti-consumer actions that affect the entire customer-base in a negative way (e.g. several notable Sony debacles from the past).

      It's like the difference between BofA hiking a subset of their customers' credit card interest rates to pad their profits (with due notice, according to the rules), and BofA deciding "Hey, traditional bank fees aren't really working out for us, so we've decided to just start stealing a flat 1.5% of everyone's checking balance every month". They're categorically different, and so is the response from the customer base.

      Companies who avoid the really huge, categorically evil, moves tend not to get swamped in hacktivist attacks all the time. I work directly on internet-facing services (including in a security capacity) at a Fortune 1K company that's heavily involved in the tech/consumer world, and we've never had a hacktivist attack to date. We might someday, and we have some plans for that sort of event because it's irresponsible not to. But really our primary defense against this is that when *I* go into a meeting with a product development group, and I hear them suggest something really stupid that would likely cause a public Internet-based backlash, I flat-out tell them it's a stupid and irresponsible thing to do, and they back down.

      Sony is getting exactly what they deserve, and it's deplorable that rather than try to turn their *actions* around, they've accepted that they're always going to act evil and modified their security policies to suit a constant condition of "We have a giant target painted on our backs".

    3. Re:Wrong way of thinking by sjames · · Score: 1

      So how many times has Anon attacked GE?

    4. Re:Wrong way of thinking by Hentes · · Score: 1

      So you want your personal data to be at the mercy of a bunch of self-righteous hackers? While it's not a substitute for a more consumer-friendly policy, securing their systems is something they should have done long ago.

    5. Re:Wrong way of thinking by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      So how many times has Anon attacked GE?

      I'd argue that there is very little data on GE's website for Anon to brag about... And the fact that GE is in a business where you seldom make enemies. I mean, if your lightbulb burns out a little too soon, you don't get all mad at GE. They sell 'dead' products. And most of them are there in a heavily regulated / saturated / mature market. Hard to distinguish them from the competition.

      All that makes it a company that is less 'hatable' than SONY that screws with their customers on a weekly basis.

    6. Re:Wrong way of thinking by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      I guess you underestimate the areas GE has spread into. There's GE Healthcare, GE Transportation, GE Aviation, GE Money Bank, GE Energy, GE Water, GE Real Estate, GE Insurance Solutions... I'd actually be surprised if they really produce anything anymore...

      If any corporation has the potential to piss off a lot of people, it's probably GE. There aren't too many cookie jars they don't have a finger in.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    7. Re:Wrong way of thinking by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I'd actually be surprised if they really produce anything anymore

      GE used to piss a lot of people off in the 70's because they built hydro-electric dams and nuclear reactors, they were hated as much as Monstanto and the oil companies, They still build hydro-electric dams and nuclear reactors, and everything else from wind turbines to kitchen kettles, I have no idea why they fell off people's shit list?

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    8. Re:Wrong way of thinking by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      maybe they've invested enough in the right kind of security that when they get attacked we don't hear about it. And it's not just anonymous, it's anyone who wants to try.

    9. Re:Wrong way of thinking by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      That's NOT a finger.

      --
      There is no right to feel safe thru security vaudeville at the expense of everyone's freedom, privacy and tax money.
    10. Re:Wrong way of thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with due notice, according to the rules

      And who makes these rules? Ahah.

      Sony's fault is that they haven't bought congresspeople beforehand to write up "rules" to provide them with cover.

    11. Re:Wrong way of thinking by jandrese · · Score: 1

      GE Money Bank in particular seems ripe for hactivist activity.

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      I read the internet for the articles.
    12. Re:Wrong way of thinking by sjames · · Score: 1

      Exactly my point. Merely being a large company is NOT enough to collect the kind of hate it takes to get attacked by Anon.

    13. Re:Wrong way of thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having worked with several ex-sony people I can safely say your I flat-out tell them it's a stupid and irresponsible thing to do is not happening. I would tell them on a daily bases things that they are doing wrong and are focusing on the wrong things. They would shout me down then stick me in the ass at review time. Know what I learned? Let them fuck up and look for a new job. The boss does not care enough to fix it.

    14. Re:Wrong way of thinking by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, Google does not have problems with hacktivists. Neither does Apple.
      Even Microsoft, which was almost synonymous with evil at some point fares better than Sony.

    15. Re:Wrong way of thinking by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      No, they just have security that is set to deal with it, whereas sony was, apparently, focused on state sponsored theft.

    16. Re:Wrong way of thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference between "pissing off minor subgroups on some matter of debate (e.g. "Wal-mart sells eyeliner that was tested on rabbits! Let's protest these animal-haters!"), and taking flatly evil, anti-consumer actions that affect the entire customer-base in a negative way (e.g. several notable Sony debacles from the past)" is that one group you care about and one group you don't.

      Can you really compare an animal forcibly and most probably painfully having products tested physically on it's eyes to you losing some personal information? Which while annoying, an inconvenience and you'd probably rather that it didn't happen, probably had little or no effect on your actual life.

      Both things piss me off, but maybe you need some perspective.

  6. Uhhh Sony just one thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... didn't you make security staff cuts weeks before PSN got hacked?

    1. Re:Uhhh Sony just one thing... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yup. And here's where PR sets in. Instead of saying "Whoopsie, I guess we made a mistake, let's roll that back and rehire the security staff", they say "We now go forwards with a bold statement, displaying our dedication for the security of the data our valued customers entrust to us".

      It's all in the delivery.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    2. Re:Uhhh Sony just one thing... by tqk · · Score: 2

      ... didn't you make security staff cuts weeks before PSN got hacked?

      Interesting that, isn't it?

      i) They got seriously hacked. So, what were the security staff actually doing when they were employed?
      ii) I wonder if some disgruntled ex-security staff member showed up on 4chan and spilled the beans?

      The security staff (by all accounts) deserved to be sacked. Since Sony hasn't been able to tie it back to first causes (ie., disgruntled ex-security staff), instead they simply admit their security sucked and they're now falling for blowing wads of cash on security snakeoil salesmen.

      I'd be looking at Sony's board of directors wondering what they're doing to earn their pay.

      --
      "Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit ..." -- Pink Floyd.
  7. It's called wising up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "deal less with state-sponsored [attacks] and more with socially-motivated hackers"

    Where "socially-motivated" means "radical Marxist". Smart. It's going to be loose associations of communists that are a vastly bigger threat than the communist states of the world. Just like with Islamic terror.

  8. After the horse left the barn by SuperTechnoNerd · · Score: 1

    About time they get it together - especially when your not the most liked kid on the block.

  9. Can they turn on your Playstation Eye remotely? by Animats · · Score: 1

    All they have to do is push a download that turns on the Playstation Eye of people they don't like.

    1. Re:Can they turn on your Playstation Eye remotely? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      No idea, but knowing their past security measures, anyone else probably could.

  10. the expense needed to enforce rules in IT... by steve.cri · · Score: 1

    ... correlates with how stupid and high-handed these rules are. Make sane rules, and you only have to defend against a handful of criminals. On the other hand, impose some utter crap on people, and you face a whole legion of righteous adversaries. Good luck, Sony...

  11. Hacktivism? Really? by VinylRecords · · Score: 2

    So shutting off PSN access for millions of gamers is now considered hacktivism? Going after Sony's game division, which has almost nothing to do with Sony's corporate division, is now hacktivism?

    I know that the Slashdot crowd is extremely anti-Sony but I fail to see how denying paying consumers the ability to play games is hacktivism. Or preventing dozens of new games from getting released on the PSN store, and allowing those companies and artists to sell their titles, is hacktivism.

    1. Re:Hacktivism? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The gamers were (unfortunate) collateral damage - your point is like saying to the brits in 1940 that they shouldn't be hurting the poor unfortunate Swedes by mining the sea lanes and hurting their lucrative iron ore exports to a certain Germanic chap with a funny mustache. And I don't buy the "this bit of Sony is Evil, this bit isn't" crap - continuing the wartime analogies, it's up there with saying "The Waffen SS are fine, after all they don't have *that* much to do with the Totenkopfverbände" - the reality is that they are all part of the same verminous organisation!

      Sony has persistently pursued anti-consumer DRM, outrageous hacking (look up the SonyBMG rootkit saga), backed over the top lawsuits that have made innocent people's lives miseries (read up on some of the Sony-backed RIAA lawsuits against grandmother without computers etc), and lobbied hard for onerous legislation (DMCA, SOPA etc) and agreements (ACTA, TPP etc). They are the vermin of the consumer entertainment industry.

      Remember - "friends don't let friends buy Sony!"

    2. Re:Hacktivism? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually their attack was on Sony customers. To use your analogy, it was more akin to bombing German civilians to attack the Nazis. How noble.

    3. Re:Hacktivism? Really? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I know that the Slashdot crowd is extremely anti-Sony but I fail to see how denying paying consumers the ability to play games is hacktivism.

      if you do it for a laugh it's vandalism, if you do it to raise awareness about Sony then it's hackvitism, how hard is this?

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:Hacktivism? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone should ask Philip R. Reitinger how this whole securing Sony's network is going. I guess he has only been on the job for 6 months, but seems to be as effective as any other Sony project.

    5. Re:Hacktivism? Really? by downhole · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it's part of the plan... somebody already posted about that, saying that they don't really care about any of the issues, they just want to play their video games, but they can't because PSN is down. So they move to another system, and Sony loses money and influence, which is what the hackers really want. A bit Machiavellian, I suppose.

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      I don't reply to ACs
    6. Re:Hacktivism? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hacktivism in exposing Sony's incompetent securing of customer details?

      Well, i guess that if you rely on a company to do the right thing and they don't, getting hacked is the only hope we have.

    7. Re:Hacktivism? Really? by Vegemeister · · Score: 1

      If the German citizens had the power to safely stop paying taxes to the Nazis at any time with little personal consequence, I would indeed consider attacks on German citizens to be an ethical strategy against the Nazis.

  12. Everybody needs an Anti-Cyber-Threat-Center! by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

    NATO just dropped a few billion for one! Now SONY will have one! Where's yours!?!?!

    I smell Y2k sized contract money now!

    I am now a Anti-Cyber-Threat-Security-Response-Operations-Analysis-Coordination-Center Specialist!

    In the train:
    Passenger: "What line of work are you in?"
    Me: "Cyber Security!"
    Passenger: "Do I need that?"
    Me: "Does your wife know about the email to your girlfriend on your laptop that I am reading right now?"
    Passenger: "Ok, I'll buy some."
    Passenger: "But do I need to wear that tinfoil hat . . . ?"

    --
    Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
    1. Re:Everybody needs an Anti-Cyber-Threat-Center! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Oh yea, it's dot-com all over again! And I'm in the right line of business again, just in time, cyber security technology expert... no, wait, sounds too cheesy. Information security ... too formal. Snakeoil peddler... no, too honest...

      I'll just go by the simple, humble title of IT security consultant. It should be good enough for a 300/hour rate, and that's good enough, I don't want to be greedy...

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    2. Re:Everybody needs an Anti-Cyber-Threat-Center! by ciderbrew · · Score: 1

      :) Hi. I'm Senior IT security consultant. My rate is 450/hour rate. If your company is worth more than the competition then you should invest more.
      I used to be Mr IT security consultant. I found Senior pays better :) - * Sorry. I'd mod myself down for that one.

    3. Re:Everybody needs an Anti-Cyber-Threat-Center! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip, buddy.

      Yeah, "senior" in front of your job title works wonders for your hourly rates. I've had it a few times and I still wonder why, it didn't really change what I did a lot.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  13. Hacktivists by drolli · · Score: 1

    Oh i hate the term. Hackers dont hack the phone calls of the staff or hack into cctv to do harm.

    Political activists use legitimate methods to increase their influence.

    If you hack into phone calls for purposes different from demonstrating a problem then you are not a hacker. if you use force (like the Anonymous asshats) you are not an activist.

    Now they discredit political activists and hackers at the same time by calling them hacktivists, joining two very different things. in order discredit both and connecting them to thinks none of both is related to.

    1. Re:Hacktivists by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Political activists use legitimate methods to increase their influence.

      Yeah, like gerrymandering, suppressing voter turnout, diddling voting machines, and "losing" the ballots from precincts likely to vote the wrong way.

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    2. Re:Hacktivists by leromarinvit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Political activists use legitimate methods to increase their influence.

      So Rosa Parks wasn't an activist when she sat on the whites-only seat on the bus? Her entire point was that what should have been legitimate wasn't. Activism isn't about increasing your influence (that's more NGO territory - lobbying for a good cause), it's about bringing public attention to your cause. Very often the most effective way of doing that is publicly defying the rules to make a point.

      --
      Proud member of the Ferengi Socialist Party.
    3. Re:Hacktivists by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Legal is what the ruling party declares legal. Hey, I don't make the laws, I only get to twist them!

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    4. Re:Hacktivists by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      GP said activists not republicans and democrats

      --
      Snowden and Manning are heroes.
    5. Re:Hacktivists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you use force (like the Anonymous asshats) you are not an activist.

      By 'force', do you mean 'action'?

        I think you may want to explore the root of the word 'activist' before trying to redefine its meaning.

      You might also want to look-up the description of the 'Real Scotsman' Fallacy, before trying to assert what is and is not, 'legitimate activism'.

  14. Re: by sites4you · · Score: 1

    Well, no matter what kind of security operation they want or rebuild they can't prevent hackers to hack their game in the future.

    --
    Professional web designer London
  15. Before you make your next Sony purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Before you make your next Sony purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which automatically installed on Microsoft Windows computers ... I say, if you run that then you deserve what you get.

  16. Sony rootkit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_rootkit

    Never forget, never forgive.

    1. Re:Sony rootkit by gtall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is this insightful? It is the same mentality that makes the MidEast a battleground for 6000 years.

    2. Re:Sony rootkit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why is this insightful?"

      Because it was evil, and the next time a corporation [may] try to replicate such behavior, they may try planting the rootkit in BIOS (is YOUR cpu's BIOS write protected? Many do not have that ability!), or in firmware, or perhaps injecting it into Windows and/or Linux/MacOSX existing binaries' code!

      Think it can't happen? Think again!

      How many antivirus products scan BIOS, pci and agp card/drive/device firmware and router firmware?

      People should burn the SONY ROOTKIT fiasco into their minds so if/when history repeats itself, people won't be as perplexed, they will have a reference point.

      Your religious comparison fails, IMO, just like posters who compare automobiles and planes to software fail as well. How much circular debate are you willing to engage in? Or are you a sockpuppet or employee of company X?

      We should not stick our heads in the sand when a corporation blatently screws us.

  17. Yeah, but are they ready for Dreamcast? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The classic 1998 commercial, original 90 second version
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlRPU5XxWlA

    1. Re:Yeah, but are they ready for Dreamcast? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Another reason to hate Sony: the Dreamcast's fair shot was ruined by their lies. They released absurd specs that made everyone think the PS2 was much more powerful than it actually was.

  18. Who decides what methods are legitimate? by Geof · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Political activists use legitimate methods to increase their influence.

    And who, pray tell, decides what is legitimate?

    Answering that question is what politics is all about. The point of engaging in politics is to determine legitimacy. Look at any political movement and you will see this struggle to define legitimacy. Legitimacy is not the starting point: it is the outcome. You are begging the question.

    Which is, of course, because you are trying to propagate your definition of what is legitimate. You are not describing politics: you are engaged in it. You are not a disinterested obsever: you are a participant.

    1. Re:Who decides what methods are legitimate? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      And who, pray tell, decides what is legitimate?

      Those with power decide what is a legitimate form of protest; that is how they protect their power, by forcing people to play the game on their own terms. It is a classic trick, and when I did martial arts my sensei said as much: when you fight, if your opponent gets to choose how you fight, you are already disadvantaged. Thus politicians say that the proper form of protest is to get petitions signed, to stand with a sign in a free speech zone, to elect a new candidate, etc.

      --
      Palm trees and 8
  19. Sony's CSO has invented time travel! by dstone · · Score: 3, Interesting

    TFA claims that Sony's new CSO, Brett Wahlin, "served as a counter-intelligence officer in the US Military for eight years during the Cold War." The final year of the cold war is generally agreed to be 1991, when the Soviet Union dissolved. This suggests he started working as a C-I officer no later than 1984. Yet the photo in his recent bio suggests he's in his early 40s now. So either 1) he's a prodigy and worked for the US military during high school, or 2) he can travel in time. Either way, the hacktivists might have met their match! Well played, Sony.

    1. Re:Sony's CSO has invented time travel! by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      or ... 3) Once again, Sony is lying.

    2. Re:Sony's CSO has invented time travel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Counterintelligence Agent
      US Army
      May 1987 – August 1991
      http://www.linkedin.com/in/brettwahlin

    3. Re:Sony's CSO has invented time travel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surrender now! he worked for the almighty Mcafee. Resistance is useless!

  20. uncovering flaws by Max_W · · Score: 0

    Say, policemen go along the sidewalk in bulletproof vests. The vests have a "week point", a "flaw", - the neck and legs are not completely protected.

    Should one want to point this bulletproof vest's vulnerability as a service to community by shooting at policemen' weak points?

    (The correct answer certainly is: no).

    1. Re:uncovering flaws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, did you get your brain at a GOP auction ?

      There's so little overlap between the 2 things you describe you might aswell compare a puddle of vomit to an Apache helicopter.

      First off, it's pretty weak to compare (possibly lethal) physical harm, to personal and/or corporate information leaks.

      Second, Sony gets paid to run their playstation franchise and to do that they say they require certain amounts of customer information, in return for giving them that, they have a moral and contractual obligation to handle such stuff with the proper amount of care. Not doing so doesn't cause them any direct harm, but it does harm the countless customers. They decided not to take proper (or even remotely reasonable care) of the stuff, and things went wrong. They also decided to directly screw their customers on many occasions (such as removing features post-sale, injecting rootkits with their products, etc.), causing friction between themselves and some of the general public. It's very hard to say Sony was a victim here, if any one of 99% of existing companies in the world (not just major corporations) worked like this, they would surely be ruined after this (which also happens to be a good motivator to do whatever you can to prevent such a thing).

      As for policemen, it's not their job to be bulletproof, they wear some amount of tactical gear to lower the chance of getting hurt, but they're all fully aware that there's a million other ways to get hurt that they aren't immune to. For them its a balancing act between safety and being able to accomplish their job. The fact that the vest doesnt protect the arms isn't a vulnerability, it's just not one of its features, and "informing" the officer of this would be more akin to pointing out to Sony that the playstation can't act as a timetravelling device. Both acts are obvious and unneccecary.

      Now if a policeofficer turns against the people he's supposed to protect, steals their money/goods while in uniform, shoots unarmed people and plants guns on them, etc. Then yes, eventually the populace is gonna turn against him, and someone will send the message that "he's not as secure as he thinks he is" the rough way, by shooting him in the back of the head. A similar action, tho not in a physical level, happened with Sony.

      Neither hacking Sony, nor shooting that fictional cop is a legal or just action, but in both cases a big part of the blame lies with the "victim".

    2. Re:uncovering flaws by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Well yeah, she was dressed like a slut.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    3. Re:uncovering flaws by Nursie · · Score: 1

      And if you think that's an analagous situation then you're retarded.

  21. Uh by AdamJS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why not orient your company and your policies so as not to actively piss off people who like tinkering with their own electronics and people who don't like DRM and spyware-riddled merchandise?

  22. Given Sony support for the DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why was anyone buying PS whatevres let alone a month to month service?

  23. Cheapskates! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    There are cushier jobs than leading Sony Entertainment Network’s burgeoning security shop, but Brett Wahlin was never one to shy from a challenge. So when the entertainment giant looked to revamp its security in the wake of the devastating hacking attacks against its PlayStation Network last year, the former McAfee Chief Security Officer answered the call.

    McAfee, seriously? What, they couldnt shell out a few more bucks to get a guy from Norton? :)

    --
    Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    1. Re:Cheapskates! by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      .... McAfee..... my one true enemy in the corporate environment....

      McAfee who has told the company that Chrome and Firefox are dangerous security risks.... They claimed Firefox was incredibly dangerous even while the world was on IE 8 and we were stuck in IE 6 land..... Why? "Oh, McAfee ScriptScan will block all scripts that are malicious"...

      Kill me... SAP was unusable with McAfee... the only way to get the damn timesheets done was to break it on purpose *sigh*

  24. For all haters by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 5, Funny
    --
    Upward mobility is a slippery slope - the higher you climb the more you show your ass.
  25. Karma'a a bitch by Tangential · · Score: 2

    Poor Sony. After all they've done to..er..for their customers. Karma is definitely a bitch

    --
    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But then I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain
  26. Anti-Social by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Evidently Sony learned nothing from the cause/effect relationship of their brutal approach to both security and their users. Sony set the stage by deploying rootkits and other security attacks on their own customers. Then they retroactively deleted the Linux (OtherOS) option from PS3s, many of which they'd sold to hackers for the very purpose of "hacking Sony". Though OtherOS had been crippled from the beginning, there was little effort by PS3 hackers to crack the lockout from the hardware, until Sony tried shutting all OtherOS users down. Then hacking the PS3 became necessary for every PS3 Linux user.

    It was a case of "when guns (OtherOSes) are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns (OtherOSes)". Why stop at just keeping what you paid for, when you had actually paid for more than you'd originally gotten? Sony had destroyed any ethical relationship, and the community was organized.

    Now, I'm not pinning all or even most of the attacks on Sony beyond keeping Linux on the small PS3 Linux community - maybe not even any of them. But that episode showed the world Sony was a legitimate target. Then after some success in keeping what they paid for resulted in arresting the hacker, Sony was now a legit target for both legitimate hacking and just plain "bash the bad guy". Combine that with Sony's copyright overreaches, its region-encoding scams, its DVD backup denials (also broken and showing Sony both greedy and vulnerable) - Sony fanned the flames of backlash.

    Now Sony is just escalating the conflict. It would be a lot cheaper to give hackers back Linux, this time with some support, to give them more of a common interest with Sony. Instead Sony is further defining itself as an enemy instead of a partner. Sony's awareness of social networks seems to be purely as either enemy or marketing victim. This will not end well. In fact it will not end, and many will suffer.

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  27. Firewall by digitalsolo · · Score: 2

    I hear the CEO recently heard about this thing called a "firewall" and is very interested in looking into one. He also heard a rumor about "passwords" and their possibilities for increasing security. Things are a changing at Sony it seems.

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  28. privacy like google and facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you,re complaining about the privacy policy?
    Do you use google or facebook or twitter?

    1. Re:privacy like google and facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, no, and no.

      And I don't log into Google.

  29. We do, we do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who controls the British Crown...
    Who keeps the Metric System down?

    Who holds back the electric car...
    Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?

    Oh wait...

    Who controls your digital rights...
    Whos gaming networks down all night?

    So-ny, So-ny...

    Who holds back GNU standards
    Who thinks privacy's FOR the Birds?

  30. Shouldn't it be called tighten security to fight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... incompetence?

    Hactivism isn't the problem - it's companies like Sony that store data in plain text that's the problem.

    There is no such thing as a complete secure internet connected system. If it's connected it's breachable. If data is stored it's stealable.

    It's high time limits on what companies can store should be placed upon them, to prevent nefarious use by thieves, corporations, and government (who are one and the same here in north america).

  31. Sony makes more than devices, you know... by rocket+rancher · · Score: 1

    Sony's computer-related devices (for even very loose definitions of "computer") are only a part of their revenue stream. Sony's real money comes from producing and distributing content, so measures to protect that revenue stream are in order, even if it negatively impacts some other revenue stream. Certainly, Sony's draconian DRM has alienated some fraction (even a large fraction) of people who have purchased Sony computer-related products, but that is not that big a deal to Sony management, because they listen to their accountants, not their conscience. The bad PR over the root kit deployment was pretty much confined to that (vanishingly small) fraction of their total market demographic that even knows (or cares) what a root kit is. Business is business -- corporations who think profit has to be moral (for whatever value of moral you care to use) are going to make a lot less profit than those who aren't similarly encumbered.

  32. So, what Sony is saying is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    State sponsored terrorism is okay (mostly likely because it is done for the sole benefit of the corporation which sponsors the state), and individual, revolutionary terrorism is not, for the obvious reason.

  33. Sony makes money on piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people don't know this, but sony has a product called GraceNote. it recognizes audio and videos. If you duplicate a CD or DVD (or even mp3s to some degree), this data is sent to a Sony server to recognize it. They charge companies for these lookups. Apple uses GraceNote in iTunes. Microsoft has had deals with them in the past. Ford uses them in Sync. There is only one competitor in this space besides sony.

    Every time your car, game console or PC detect your CD either Sony or Rovi (Macrovision) gets money.

  34. State-sponsored attacks? by psydeshow · · Score: 1

    Why isn't anybody talking about the change in focus away from *state-sponsored attacks*? What does that even mean in this context?

    Was Sony seriously focusing on preventing militaries and intelligence agencies from attacking its infrastructure? Damn, they must have seriously pissed off some powerful people with those rootkits!

    And that still doesn't explain why their security was so damn shoddy. Unless... maybe their old CSO was focused on state-sponsored attacks, but a risk analysis put the likelihood of such an attack at near zero, so they slashed their security budget. That almost makes sense...